• on a comment on Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    If you split the debate into 1/3 -- and then only watch the first 1/3 and the last 1/3  -- I suppose I'd give it McCain (though, I thought McCain's sneering "health of the mother" is gonna hurt him... bad.  I'd be willing to bet 95% of undecided women are pro-choice).

    I think we both agree that McCain was extremely strong in the first 1/3.  I don't know that Obama was flat, but it most definitely wasn't his best segment... not a disaster, but McCain really was just good for that first 20-25 minutes.

    I thought the last 1/3 was pretty evenly matched.  Obama was better than he opened, McCain not as good -- but not bad either.  I think I'd still score the last 1/3 for Obama, but only by a hair, and almost solely on the sneering 'health of the mother' comment... but add it to the first 1/3, and that's definitely a McCain win.

    Except... there's that middle 1/3.

    I thought that middle 1/3 was an utter disaster for McCain.  I thought that approached a near caricature of all the worst things about McCain 2008.... It was basically the "Tao of McCain 08".  The ugly sneering and the pitiful self-loathing.

    Unlike many, I honestly do think McCain is a decent guy.  I honestly do think McCain doesn't really want to play this way.  BUT - he knows, KNOWS he's gotta go there to have any shot.  He cannot convince enough people to vote FOR him.  He has to make more people vote AGAINST Obama.  What we saw in the middle 1/3 was the worst of both worlds - the pissed McCain... pissed at himself... pissed at the media... pissed at Obama, even for 'making' him do it.

    An aside -- I think his "no go on Wright" is basically McCain making a deal with himself, as in "If I don't go there, I haven't gone too far".  McCain is a gambler, but not a degenerate gambler.  That's what gamblers do -- you figure what you can afford to lose if every roll of the dice goes bad.  McCain at this point thinks, if he keeps that Wright chit in his pocket, he can walk out with some dignity.

  • on a comment on Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    'Bama.

    Roll Tide :-)

  • comment on a post Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    I can't believe this.

    It's like McCain got on the board first with an early TD, Obama went 4 and out, McCain tacked on a field goal....

    ....and then the 2nd quarter started.

    Now it's 46-10.

  • on a comment on Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    There was a good question and a half when the John McCain temper was on full display.

    He was in a frenzy - he wanted to use the 'personal attacks' but make it look like he only slid through a crack... so he tried to ram it all through.

    He was incoherent at times, he was rolling his eyes, loud grunt-sighs, I could feel the clenched teeth through the teevee.

    That was not a pretty McCain.

    As I said above, I honestly did think McCain was winning handily for the first 20 minutes... he was congenial, engaging, and earnest.

    He went completely off the tracks and become virtually unhinged (well, as unhinged as any federal level politician gets).

  • on a comment on Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    He's blown right past erratic and trying to figure out where to U-Turn before he hits crazy.

    I'm honest to goodness concerned about the man's health - he ought to just scream or something because I can feel the clenched teeth.

  • comment on a post Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    Wow.

    Just wow.

    I haven't seen a Presidential campaign end in a debate like this since Dukakis.

  • on a comment on Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    Before anyone asks, that was supposed to be 'daayyyammmm' as in I can't believe it, not dammit, as in I'm pissed McCain just pissed away his last shred of hope.

  • comment on a post Jonathan's Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    Damn.

    The first 20-25 minutes, I was honestly thinking McCain was having a really, really strong night - and was winning handily.

    Then, he just IMPLODES!

    Breath, John, Breath.

  • Right -

    Actually, the entire 538 "on the road" series is an excellent read.  I believe they started in New Mexico, went up through Nevada, moved on to Colorado, etc.  

    Sean is absolutely comparing the two.

    I think that both he and you are also 10000% right.  I volunteered on several occasions for both Kerry and several progressive orgs in fall 2004.  

    Night and day.

    One Kerry canvasing event I went to in mid-October 2004, into Wisconsin, the 'leader' was late, we had a real lack of any literature, there was zero help for first-time canvassers, and they didn't even have us RECORD anything!  We were basically given street maps, assignments, and sent on our way.

    A similar Obama event?   Heh... the organizers have been there prepping for a while, there's plenty of lit, they quickly work through the volunteers --- help out those who are first-timers, pair up vets with novices, and you better believe they want every shred of data they can get back on your results....

    Not even close.

  • comment on a post PUMA... where'd you go? over 5 years ago

    take it somewhere else.

  • on a comment on And The Winner Is... over 5 years ago

    Ain't that the truth -- and I say that as someone that barely survived the primary wars as an Obama supporter 'round here.

    I get nervous before these debates but then I remember he's up against McGrumpy McFrump, rather than Hillary Clinton.

    It's the difference between drag racing the tired jalopy and the Ferrari.

  • comment on a post And The Winner Is... over 5 years ago

    it wasn't wider.

    I would have pegged it at closer to 60-30 Obama, but I'll take a 1 1/2 times margin.

  • on a comment on And The Winner Is... over 5 years ago

    Actually, I agree.

    I didn't think Brokaw was a particularly good moderator, but I think some folks (I'm looking at you, Josh at TPM) really saw bias that wasn't there.

  • comment on a post And The Winner Is... over 5 years ago

    Lordy...

    CNN just replayed the "that one" clip.

    McCain looks almost maniacal, comically insulting

  • comment on a post Post-Debate Thread over 5 years ago

    freeper or NQ or somewhere similar and hear all the conspiracy theories about all the -quote - undecided voters - quote -  who are now taking pictures with and getting autographs from Obama.

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