by TruthMatters, Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:04:16 AM EDT
I think we are all going in circles, Hillary supporters don't listen to Obama supporters, and Obama supporters don't listen to Hillary Supporters, but
I think Carl Bernstein, sums it up best here:
"The Bosnian episode is a watershed event, because it indelibly brings to mind so many examples of this tendency- from the White House years and, worse, from Hillary Clinton's take-no-prisoners presidential campaign. Her record as a public person is replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions...
When the facts surrounding such characteristic episodes finally get sorted out -- usually long after they have been challenged -- the mysteries and contradictions are often dealt with by Hillary Clinton and her apparat in a blizzard of footnotes, addenda, revision, and disingenuous re-explanation: as occurred in regard to the draconian secrecy she imposed on her health-care task force (and its failed efforts in 1993-94); explanations of what could have been dutifully acknowledged, and deserved to be dismissed as a minor conflict of interest -- once and for all -- in Whitewater; or her recent Michigan-Florida migration from acceptance of the DNC's refusal to recognize those states' convention delegations (when it looked like she had the nomination sewn up) to her re-evaluation of the matter as a grave denial of basic human rights, after she fell impossibly behind in the delegate count.The latest episode -- the sniper fire she so vividly remembered and described in chilling detail to buttress her claims of foreign policy "experience" -- like the peace she didn't bring to Northern Ireland, recalls another famous instance of faulty recollection during a crucial period in her odyssey.On January 15, 1995, she had just published her book, It Takes a Village, intended to herald a redemptive "come back" after the ravages of health care; Whitewater; the Travel Office firings she had ordered (but denied ordering); the disastrous staffing of the White House by the First Lady, not the President -- all among the egregious errors that had led to the election of the Newt Gingrich Congress in 1994."
it is important because it is a patten.
that is why we won't let it go
p.s. I am still new here, can someone tell me how I can make hyperlinks and quote in block text? please? thanks!
by TruthMatters, Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:46:33 AM EDT
let me start by saying I do NOT think she is doing this with eyes on 2012, and i think everyone who does think this is flat out wrong or just a conspiracy theorist.
but with that said....
I am noticing more and more that on blogs and what not people are beginning to say that Hillary is staying in only to ensure Obama loses so she can run in 2012 and save us from Mccain.
ONCE AGAIN I DO NOT THINK THIS IS TRUE.
but lets be honest we don't have some of the smartest voters in this country and if something is repeated enough it starts to become the truth.
so what happens to Hillary if Obama does become the nominee and loses?
at this point is she setting herself up where for the next 4 years, anything Mccain does wrong would also be blamed on Hillary for killing Obama's chances?
I do not think that is what she is doing, but the idea is starting to spread so ignoring it won't do anything.
by TruthMatters, Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:06:12 PM EDT
*I know you won't read the whole thing I am only doing it to get laid (I wish)
1) I don't really think he should drop but thought maybe I would get the rec list with an anti-Obama title (ya'll loves those here :-P)
I posted a few things hidden in diaries that and blogs across the internet that I have slowly been bringing together into 1 thought.
honesty and politics have no business together.
The Media: Where Have the Journalists Gone?
There was a time when journalists cared about the truth, well thats what they say is it true? I haven't seen it now journalists work for newspapers or companies that care about 1 thing, the almighty dollar.
the MSM will report anything and everything to get you to watch, that and they don't actually report anymore they present. what I mean by this is they take an issue, and then bring 2 sides to argue the issue so that it appears both sides of the issues were presented.
blogs are the same way they want traffic or they are simply about people coming together who think the same way, but they are not about honest political debate, both sides aren't honest enough. you want honest debate throw a way the talking points, put things in context and stop the sensationalizing. for every 1 thing a blog puts on its main page supporters can think up 10 more that also could be there and aren't so how are the stories chosen? are bloggers biased? and if so do they even try anymore to counter? or do we just know that if you are pro-hillary go to mydd, or taylormarsh, and if you are pro-obama dailykos, talkingpoints memo.
by TruthMatters, Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 03:48:15 AM EDT
Guys it is over, the only reason its not like Politico reported is because the media loves a close race, but anyone who ACTUALLY talks about how Hillary wins the nomination has to admit two things
1) without a FL/MI redo Hillary has almost no chance now to get a pledged delegate or Popular vote lead.
2) without at LEAST a popular vote lead, Hillary is not going to be the nominee.
the fact of the matter is I see NONE of Hillary's supporters actually admitting the math, oh they talk about how its possible but never would one post that she needs 60% of the vote in ALL states and she has only done thins once and its not likely to happen again with out a scandal even bigger then Wright.
now what are the chances of a scandal bigger then wright happening? I honestly think that if Hillary truly believes a scandal can happen, then suspend your campaign keep your delegates and lets wait and see.
but you should not be tearing down Obama building up Mccain, when you aren't even sure that the scandal will happen.
but I will make a challenge if Hillary Supporters have an honest and upfront discussion of her chances to win by popular vote and thus win the nomination I will donate $100 to her campaign, and I challenge other Obama supporters to join me.
how so? well Blog on Pro-Hillary blogs (like TaylorMarsh.com) and get an actual post on the chances of a win WITH numbers, I saw TMs last one, but what she leaves out are numbers, she says she was to win big but doesnt say how big because obviously then its a bit more telling that this thing is done.
I don't care if Hillary stays in as long as there is more to her plan then "He will implode, he just has to"
so Hillary supporters your candidate has a viable path to the nomination? take my $100 challenge and show us.
by TruthMatters, Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 02:47:10 PM EDT
Just a quick question, all over the blogsphere I see both claims claiming that a certain candidate will get decimated in the fall, or that half the base wont support them.
So simply question
Hillary Supporters - How does Hillary win a GE with out Barack supporters?
Barack Supporters - How does Barack win a GE with out Hillary supporters?
Maybe insulting the other candidates supporters is not in the best interests of your candidate ESPECIALLY if you are so sure they are going to win the nomination.
(unless you don't feel you need those supporters in the GE)
Like me I live in MN, why should I vote for Hillary, I am a latte sipping liberal (don't drink coffee) who drives a prius (don't even know what it is) and lives in a state that doesn't need a president.
Why should I vote for her after she spent the last 2 months saying things like this?
Well guys? How does your candidate with if both sides are so sure they will never vote for the other?
edit: and please if you support Hillary, dont tell me how Obama can't win tell me how Hillary can win without BO supporters (and if you think they will eventually come around by the fall, dont you have to admit this could also be true the other way around?)
same to BO supporters, How can BO win with such a weak showing among the democratic base (same thing if you are too stubborn to vote for Hillary this fall, then you have to admit that her supporters may just be equally stubborn)
so basically how does the Democratic party win in the fall since both sides don't actually care about the White House unless their candidate is the one in it
Update [2008-3-20 19:50:35 by TruthMatters]:
well so far everyone agrees that 1) either they cant win, or 2) they need a joint ticket
but so far no one can show a clear path to victory without the other sides supporters, ironic you will post here and basically admit both sides need to you unite
then leave this diary and continue to tear each other down everywhere else.
if you truly believe they cant win alone then challenge both sides supporters to answer how do they win with only part of the base? and if they cant then stop the bickering and lets just see how things play out but remember,
IF THE ISSUES REALLY ARE IMPORTANT (as people like to pretend) THEN WE NEED EACH OTHER