• But JJE is a troll, right?

  • To each his own.  Unfortunately for you, my view is the U.S. CW.

  • Oh and of course none of the anti-Israel crowd could possibly be anti-Semitic.  That would be like saying that some white Mississippians might be racist!  Perish the thought!  Nevertheless, in real life there is much overlap in some of these Venn diagrams.  In others, not so much...

  • I would assert (without any proof, but hear me out) that the correlation of people who defend Hamas and those who defend the 9/11 hijackers as freedom fighters would be much higher than any correlation of people believing in Israel's right to defend itself from rocket attack and those believing in a "pro-Genocide" campaign against Palestinians.  But, FWIW, I've been called "pro Genocide" several times on this board, just because I do support Israel's right to self defense.  Now I go and make the claim that Hamas sympathizers are also 9/11 sympathizers and I'm TR'd.  Go figure!

  • He does sound like a great guy though:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Fink elstein

    The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering was published in 2000. Here, Finkelstein argues that Elie Wiesel and others exploit the memory of the Holocaust as an "ideological weapon." This is so the state of Israel, "one of the world's most formidable military powers, with a horrendous human rights record, [can] cast itself as a victim state" in order to garner "immunity to criticism."[20] He also alleges what he calls a "double shakedown" by "a repellent gang of plutocrats, hoodlums and hucksters" seeking enormous legal damages and financial settlements from Germany and Switzerland, moneys which then go to the lawyers and institutional actors involved in procuring them, rather than actual Holocaust survivors

    And I guess AAs use slavery as an "ideological weapon" too.  God forbid them from talking about reparations.  How dare they!!

  • Well, who would have thought that this guy would say that divestment was working?  

    You know, I guess you are right though - I can't complain.  Look at the daily news - the financial news is mostly "Economy stinks."  Next day is "Economy really stinks".  Next day is a feature about how the economy totally stinks for one local man.  Next day is layoffs.  It's all news I guess but not terribly interesting or "news" to me....

    Still, I think I have a right to point out that nothing substantively new or interesting is being said.  And some of the sources that MainStreet is using aren't exactly non-biased.  I mean, wake me up when Joseph Stiglitz says that divestment is "working"... until then I think Israel is in the clear.

  • I have seen numerous times on this site that Hamas is the Democratically elected representative of the people of Palestine, and they are firing rockets because they are oppressed.  Well, the 9/11 hijackers said that American troops are occupying Saudi and other Arab lands with military forces, invading their culture with Western thought and frivolous media, etc.  Yet there are apologists for both of these groups.  I don't think there's a straw man argument there - that's the real deal.  There are real apologists for both groups - and I think both sets of apologists are lame.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_war

  • It's rude to tell other people what they can comment on, and what the substance of those comments can contain.  I too am annoyed by MainStreet's seeming 100% focus on I/P - I am not uncomfortable with it but to me, if you are going to write a diary, you should say something new or interesting, and to me MainStreet has not done that in about the past 50 diaries on I/P.  Thanks - I got your point the first time.  Repeating the lies every day does not make it so...

  • Who attacked whom in 1967?  Refresh my memory.

  • Yes I am "objectively pro-Genocide".  You've got me figured out.  Congrats!  Way to set up a straw man opponent!

  • I don't see why.  Obviously, some people view the 9/11 hijackers as freedom fighters.  Some people view Hamas as freedom fighters.  Draw a Venn diagram and there is some overlap between the sympathizers of these two groups.  Just as there is considerable overlap between those who think that 9/11 hijackers were terrorists, and Hamas is terrorists.

  • And AlJazeera is <---- thataway - I'm sure you will find many more viewpoints there that are more amenable to your perspective.

  • Glad you aren't the Secretary of State.  Israel as rogue state?  Nice.  And the 9/11 hijackers were "freedom fighters" to you as well, I suppose (as is Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc)?  To each his own, but Israels supporters and the supporters of the West will stand up for her.  Your own backwards views notwithstanding.

  • Very telling that you rely on the most shameful acts in American history to justify what Israel embraces as its fundamental vision.

    The US is a Judeo-Christian nation founded on these values, much as Israel is a Jewish nation also founded on basic Judeo-Christian values.

    Also, I never said that these US actions were just.  Hailing the US as an example of meritocracy is wishful thinking - we are very far from it.  We may hold everyone to be equal, but in reality we are so far from that as to be laughable.  Universal healthcare?  Universal education?  Universal transportation?  Nope, nope, nope.  Safety nets?  Not really.  Open to all?  Nope.  Welcome your poor, your tired, your huddled masses?  More like let's deport them all to Mexico.

    Israel is a Jewish state, but it has Arab citizens - it arguably treats its people much better than the US treats hers.  There are many, many Muslim states across the globe - what's your beef with them?  Israel is no more based on tribalism than the US is - in many cases it is probably more of a model for us than we should be to them.


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