[UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Update [2008-5-29 23:23:1 by zenful6219]: I am fed up with Obama supporters on MyDD telling Clinton supporters when it's time to stop talking about the crap Obama is associated with. We'll tell you when enough is enough. If you don't want to read yet another diary about Obama's pastor problems, then don't read any further. Just hit your back button. It's that simple.

Yet another Pastor, one who until recently, was also on the Obama campaign's pastoral advisory committee, has revealed himself as a "problem" child for Obama.

"As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us," he said. "That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause."

Well, all I can say is at least Obama didn't take as long as he did with Wright to "repudiate" Father Pfleger's hatred. What kind of church is this? Hillary Clinton was right when she said she would have found another church.

Pfleger issued a separate apology Thursday, saying his remarks were "inconsistent with Sen. Barack Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Sen. Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

What a sack of shit! If Obama had any integrity, he would resign from this sorry excuse for a church. Here are some of the comments for which Pfleger issued his disingenious apology:

“When Hillary was crying … I really don’t believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white. And this is mine’,” he said, shouting at times. “Then out of nowhere came, ‘Hey I’m Barack Obama’. And she said, ‘Oh damn! Where did you come from? I’m white! I’m entitled! There’s a black man stealing my show’!”

"And then out of nowhere came him, Barack Obama. And she said: `Damn! Where did you come from?! I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!'

"She wasn't the only one crying!" he said. "There was a whole a lot of white people crying!"

“America has been raping people of color and America has to pay the price for the rape. “

Pfleger’s support of Obama is well known in Chicago. He contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaign during his years in the Illinois legislature. While Obama was a state Senator in 2000, he secured a $100,000 earmark for the ARK Community Center, a center attached to Pfleger’s St. Sabina church.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Hillary Clinton will beat McCain in November. I'm losing my optimism for Obama's chances. Let's hope another scandal doesn't pop up for him.

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Comments

166 Comments

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

this isn't a scandal.  If he gets caught with a hooker then I will start to worry.

by Xris 2008-05-29 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Listen this is not obama's thinking and these guys at trinity seem to working hard to get him down.

Now having said that two things Obama needs to do

1. drop that church period, so going forth whatever those guys preach is no longer associated w/ obama

2. Obama can show " the class act he truely is" by also saying that I apologize  for what was said to hillary. why? because this fella was on obama's campaign committee up to just couple weeks ago.  

Now if he says that, I guarantee you that many Hillary voters will be deeply impressed ala unity move/ gesture by obama.

by aliveandkickin 2008-05-29 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

honestly I doubt they will.  People are not going to let any of his church stuff go because its all they got.  People who respond to the game of guilt by association that is so persistent in this primary are not going to vote for obama anyways.  I personally respect the fact that he stays with the church that introduced him to Christ, rather than flee at the first sign of political difficulty.  It shows to me that he has real Faith as opposed to election year fever.  I say all this with the preface that I am not religious at all.

by Xris 2008-05-29 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

I respectfully disagree on two points again.

One is by moving away from the church/ dumping it. any crazy stuff said is no longer associated w/ obama. See the case here is not just yet another wacko talk from the church , but that the man making it was also a part of obama's official campaign. He needs to cut them off.

second the church did introduce him to Christ but Christ does not ONLY exist in that church. I dare say ---Christ does not and would NOT appreciate such comments himself....

These guys at that church are totally beyond the pale, they are actively working against obama now.

by aliveandkickin 2008-05-29 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Well I can't speak for Christ so I don't know what he would think about a modern political primary or one of the thousands of churches created to worship him.  

I am just not worried about this stuff.  Maybe I should be.  But I also was not offended with Clinton's RFK comments.  Supporters say dumb crap and with the modern media its impossible to avoid.

by Xris 2008-05-29 07:12PM | 0 recs
Senator Clinton has her own church scandal

Senator Clinton has her own little church scandal that the Obama people have been too nice to bring up.

Perhaps we should do it for them.

Anyone interested in talking about a creepy rightwing religious movement known as The Fellowship?

by denniswine 2008-05-29 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator Clinton has her own church scandal

dennis - I'm so close to hiding your comment. But I know another one like you will sprout up in seconds... you missed obama's message totally...

by aliveandkickin 2008-05-29 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator Clinton has her own church scandal
The Fellowship "issue" doesn't have legs, never did. It's baloney, and you probably know it.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

I dare say ---Christ does not and would NOT appreciate such comments himself....

You kidding me?  Read the Old Testament prophets sometime.  They make Jeremiah Wright look like Mr. Rogers.

by mistersite 2008-05-29 07:36PM | 0 recs
Both Obama and the Priest apologized

There really isn't much more to say about this.

by puma 2008-05-29 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized
I don't give a crap about an apology. It's easy to apologize, but it's hard to mean it. This is the second man of God from this church, Obama's chosen church, who has had to apologize for hate-filled comments made from the pulpit.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized

Your concern is touching,  now go back to mcbloggers camp.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
This priest isn't part of Obama's church

This reverend is a Catholic priest who has his own church.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:02PM | 0 recs
Untrue comment.

He's not from Obama's church.

by Shem 2008-05-29 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized

zenful is a troll. fake outrage is one of the biggest signs.

by comingawakening 2008-05-29 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized
There's nothing fake about it. I am fucking furious at the people Obama associates with. This isn't the first time the Father has made such remarks. Furthermore, this guy has supported Obama when he was a state Senator, and Obama accepted the support. And, Obama helped get this guy a $100,000 earmark.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized
By the way, I should troll rate you for the name calling. But, it's evident how small you really are. It so easy to call someone a troll rather than try to understand why this kind of stuff matters.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:54PM | 0 recs
Really...

It only matters if you are a Republican, or Chris Matthews.

I don't think you're smart enough to be Tweety, so you must be the former.

by Massadonious 2008-05-29 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Thank you for your concern...

by Sychotic1 2008-05-29 06:57PM | 0 recs
You're such a liar

"Let's hope another scandal doesn't pop up for him."

No one believes you.  We all know your hope runs in the exact opposite direction.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Again, there's only so far one man's words can be used to judge another.

But at least they can't accuse this guy of being a militant black separatist!

by freedom78 2008-05-29 06:57PM | 0 recs
Snarky serious. Is this a question?

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-29 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another

Keep this up and I'll start finding people in Hillary's life you probably don't wanna talk about......

Come on, let this shit go.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-29 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another
Go for it. If there's real dirt, it should be aired.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
hahaha "real dirt"!

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another

This is "real dirt"?  A guest speaker said something you don't like?

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-29 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another

CNN isn't "letting it go." Anderson Cooper ran it.

by soyousay 2008-05-29 07:02PM | 0 recs
He also said that this probably

won't be a big story for both Obama apologized and the Father apologized.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:07PM | 0 recs
Don't blame the messenger

I wrote about this in my diary and was called a Republican....I saw the clip on CNN tonight. It's not going away.

by soyousay 2008-05-29 06:59PM | 0 recs
It will be a one day story

By Saturday this won't be a story.  Everybody will be focused on the Florida and Michigan delegates.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't blame the messenger

You probably messed your pants when you saw that on CNN.

Again thanks for your concern.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't blame the messenger

I'm not concerned; Obama is.

by soyousay 2008-05-29 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't blame the messenger

Stop acting like one and using their tactics and talking points, and perhaps we'll think otherwise.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:06PM | 0 recs
He's a white Catholic Priest

Father Pfleger is a black nationalist now?

To be fair, he is Priest of a black Catholic church and has been more pro-black than most other white ministers.

by elrod 2008-05-29 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: He's a white Catholic Priest

He's a bigot - he's engaging in racist, and misogynist rhetoric here. And the congregation is going along with it. This says a lot about what Obama's supporters are like.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: He's a white Catholic Priest

No, it really says nothing about what Obama's supporters are like.  Retract and apologize.

by mistersite 2008-05-29 07:38PM | 0 recs
You never responded or retracted my proof...

that you were wrong.  I wouldn't want to think that you were trolling or anything, so what about the bills that he passed in his first session of the Illinois General Assembly?  Are you going to admit that you were wrong and retract the falsehoods that you wrote?

by nklein 2008-05-29 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: You never responded or retracted my proof...

I didn't ever see any proof from you that the bills were signed into law with Obama as author, nor did I see any description of what the bills were.

You didn't make your case. The fact remains that the first five years Obama had two admendments signed into law - that's it. It's gonna take a lot more than the unresolved page you were providing.

Personally, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 10:34PM | 0 recs
Personally, I don't think you know about what...

you're talking.  I gave you the Illinois legislature's documents of all the bills introduced in the 1997-1998 session.  I gave you the public law #'s, the bill numbers and the popular names of the bills.  But if that's enough for you how about the NY Times.  They provide three bills (the exact same three bills I told you about) passed in the 1997-1998 session, which were in 1997 a bill to study welfare reform and a bill to help juvenile offenders and in 1998 one of the highest praised ethics law in the country.  But that's not going be enough either right.  Why don't you admit it that you just not open to any evidence that would burst your little fact-free bubble where Obama is evil neophyte?

by nklein 2008-05-30 02:59AM | 0 recs
I find this priest to be the

equivalent to Hagee and Parsley.  

This priest is NOT part of the Obama campaign.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:00PM | 0 recs
Except he's unlikely to call Catholicism

"the great whore"

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

He's just a buddy.

by soyousay 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

You are a republican, only republicans go after religious people.

I bet Haggee doen't offend you one bit.

by CrushTheGOP2008 2008-05-29 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

Obama likes him. He was one of his advisors. this is the kind of judgement your candidate has. he hangs out with the likes of Reverend Wright and Pfliger. He gets elected to the US senate and allows a man under federal investigation for bribery to spend $625 of his own money to benefit obama and no one can specifiy how Rezko stood to benefit.

This is your guy - he hangs out with crooks and bigots.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

So did Jesus.

And no I'm not comparing Obama to Jesus.  I'm just saying that tolerating imperfect people and seeing the good in them is something Christ would have done.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-29 07:07PM | 0 recs
Stop lying

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop lying

quit calling the commenter a liar unless you're going to prove it.

by slynch 2008-05-29 07:15PM | 0 recs
Don't fucking defend a troll

Obama does not "hang out" with crooks and bigots.  Jesus Christ, you're defending this nonsense?

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't fucking defend a troll

You're making the same comment again and again throughout this diary.  That's trolling.

I realize you don't agree with this commenter, but aside from being hyperbolic, the statement that Obama "hangs out with crooks and bigots" is not completely untrue--the commenter sites specific examples.  To simply call him/her a liar violates the site rules.

by slynch 2008-05-29 08:26PM | 0 recs
Wrong

The commenter is lying in each comment, so I call him/her a liar each time.

The other place you troll-rated me I called him/her a liar for saying that this guy called Clinton a "fucking whore".  Also a lie.

That statement IS completely untrue --- "hangs out"?  Really?  What crooks is he hanging out with?  What bigots?

It's a dishonest smear tactic, and you're foolish for defending it.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-30 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong

he wasn't saying that this guy called Clinton a "fucking whore."  He was likening this to the Randi Rhodes episode in which Obama supporters simply laughed--I think you misread his comment.

Like I said, the "hangs out" statement was hyperbolic, but not completely untrue if you consider this pastor, Wright, and Rezko.  This pastor was part of his campaign.  As was Wright, but Wright was also his pastor for 20 years!  And, we all know the shady dealings between Rezko and Obama.

I'm not defending the statements, but they're not any worse than I've seen Obama supporters make about Clinton.  And if I see someone someone simply repeatedly call such a commenter a liar, I TR them as well.

This should be a blog where civil discussion happens, IMO.  From my view, if someone is clearly trolling (like possibly this diarist), just don't feed em.

by slynch 2008-05-30 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

Wow I get to dust off my rating ability for you.  I kind of feel like a jedi from the old star wars movies who is afraid to show his abilities for fear it will get taken away.

by Xris 2008-05-29 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

Awww, a GOP troll. And he's trying so hard! Gosh, I just want to give him a great big hug. Three gold stars for effort, little guy!

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I find this priest to be the

Don't call me names or accuse of trolling because I point out historical reality. What you're doing is what Bill OReilly does - it's blog version of "shut up, shut up, shut up".

Your guy hangs out with crooks and bigots and you don't want him being called on it. Don't accuse me of being GOP because you don't have the courage of your convictions.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

You seem so...concerned.

by zcflint05 2008-05-29 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama
You are right. I am deeply concerned, but not about Obama. I'm concerned about a Democrat winning the White House. This latest "slip of the tongue" from an Obama associate only hurts his chances of winning.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

I'm concerned about a Democrat winning the White House.

OOPS! Gee, does it get any more obvious than this, folks?

;)

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Isn't it funny on Hillary RFK comment we were told to give her the benefit of the doubt. Now people are telling us not to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. If anyone from the Clinton camp or supporters push then you are nothing but trolls. How can you hope Obama supporters will give Hillary the benefit of the doubt when you are going around doing the very thing you complain about? This shames me that anyone would use this against Obama.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

If this were a white politician attending a church with rhetoric like this towards African Americans, we would hammer them out of the race. If some white Dem used the "n" word in the course of a race, he wouldn't be allowed back in even if he apologized.

Obama and his supporters are repulsive to everything I understood the Democratic party to stand for. I can't believe anyone is still supporting Obama.

Look at the video tape - that congregation is cheering that man on! It's like the Obama supporters laughing uproariously at Hillary being called a fucking whore. You have to wonder if there is anything that's too far with this crowd.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Hillary wasn't called a "whore"

in this church at all.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wasn't called a "whore"

She was called worse, a racist who was dismayed that a black man was running against her

Whores at least provide a useful service

by katmandu1 2008-05-29 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Maybe you should attend a sermon, instead of basing your opinion on 30 second "shock" clips....Then you might have more of a basis of your opinion...

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

I don't think it really matters what else is said.  Given what was said, that's enough to damn the whole sermon.

by slynch 2008-05-29 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

I'm not condoning those statements, I also don't like to base a judgement on someone or establishment based solely on what the MSM feeds us thats all.

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Those remarks are in context. It's not like it's a half sentence here and there - that's the full sermon.

This is misogyny and misogyny is as destructive and anti-life as racism is. This is morally unacceptable rhetoric for a Democratic candidate to be anywhere near. And it's staggering that the congregation is cheering this guy on - how mean-spirited do you have to be to find this socially acceptable rhetoric?

They should have been booing this motherfucker to shut up. Nope, Not Obama supporters. There is no slander you  can hurl Hillary's way in Obama's name that they'll object to.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Those remarks are in context. It's not like it's a half sentence here and there - that's the full sermon.

This is misogyny and misogyny is as destructive and anti-life as racism is. This is morally unacceptable rhetoric for a Democratic candidate to be anywhere near. And it's staggering that the congregation is cheering this guy on - how mean-spirited do you have to be to find this socially acceptable rhetoric?

Do you understand how ugly this looks to Hillary supporters and why it's almost impossible for us to see Obama in any kind of positive light when he consistently has rhetoric like this being unleashed against his opponent and he never calls it to a halt?

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

I agree, BUT, I don't think this was out of context (and i see someone else has already said this..)

by slynch 2008-05-29 08:16PM | 0 recs
Liar

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:05PM | 0 recs
Uprated, b/c the commenter is lying...

when he/she says that Rev. Pfleger called Hillary a "whore."  Nowhere in that video does Pfleger say that.  That is a bald-faced lie.

by nklein 2008-05-29 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Uprated, b/c the commenter is lying...

the commenter isn't saying that--s/he is referring to when HRC was called a f'ing whore by Randi Rhodes and Obama said nothing.

by slynch 2008-05-29 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Uprated, b/c the commenter is lying...

Obama isn't required to say things when someone, somewhere calls Hillary a name.

by Jess81 2008-05-30 12:13PM | 0 recs
Just did my...

...bills and I have an extra $75...Who should I donate to? Do I split it up? Suggestions...

DNC
Obama
Bob Barr

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:02PM | 0 recs
hootie

how about $30 to Obama, $30 to the DNC and $15 to a down ballot candidate.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 07:17PM | 0 recs
Sounds good...

...I didn't know about the Barr thing...What down ticket candidate do you think?  I'm not to up to date on those things, though I am trying to learn.

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:20PM | 0 recs
Do me a favor,

and give to Harry Taylor (NC-09).  I don't want to be represented anymore by far right-wing Sue Myrick.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SnOFri7fRDU

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:25PM | 0 recs
Give 'Em Hell Harry...

...I love it...and I did $15 for Harry!!

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:33PM | 0 recs
Buya!

Nice work!

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:35PM | 0 recs
No Prob, Happily!!

Anybody with the guts to give Dubya some shit, deserves a donation!!!

by hootie4170 2008-05-29 07:51PM | 0 recs
Are you done yet?

Seriously, are you done?

by DawnG 2008-05-29 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

THIS SADDENS ME.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/clinton-campa-1.html


The Clinton campaign's communications director, Howard Wolfson, clearly thinks Obama's rejection of Father Pfleger's sermon was lacking.

Wolfson says: "Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics.  We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."

The Clinton camp shouldn't be using this. I am so ashamed right now of Clinton.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-29 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

You're kidding right?

by soyousay 2008-05-29 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

No I am not many jumped on Obama for pushing the RFK comments. Why should anyone be pushing this? This is so wrong and you should remember how upset you were thinking Obama was pushing that Hillary wanted to kill Obama. Now you know that everyone wsa calling it fake outrage. This is wrong. If it was Obama fault then for someone saying it then how can it not be Clinton fault for what Wolf said?

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-29 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

That was a slander that came from drudge. She was discussing the primary going on until June and used that as ahistorical marker. I will remind you that the only person who has actually been arrested for wanted to kill one of the candidates was someone who threatening Clinton. Obama hasn't had threats as serious a that leveled against him, and it was Clinton volunteeers that were held hostage. To ignore all that, and pretend that she was wanting to see him murdered, is just fucking preposterous. It came from Drudge - that's all you need to know. What the Obama camp did was take a smear from Drudge.

This is bigotry of the worst kind - it is totally unacceptable. This is where obama takes his kids to church - and no, it doesn't matter whether they were there that Sunday or not. This is an unacceptable tie for a Democratic candidate to have. And the fact taht Drudge cooked up a smear against Clinton that the Obama campaign ran with doesn't make it any less bigoted.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

S/he must be.

After the way this campaign has gone and the way Clinton has gone out of her way to exploit any smear, no matter how irrelevant it is to the job of the presidency, nobody should be even the slightest bit surprised that the Clinton campaign is taking yet another irrelevant smear as far as it should go.

by mistersite 2008-05-29 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Do you not get just how offensive were the remarks this piece of work "priest" made about Hillary? Do you truly not get that?

I've never seen such blatant, and sexist ridicule of a woman politician coming from any kind of real authority figure, least of all from a man of the cloth -- with the single exception of that of Jeremiah Wright himself.

It was simply disgusting, most especially for someone so fervently supporting a candidate like Obama who purports to be trying to "unify" people.

Wasn't this guy officially listed on Obama's campaign until very recently? Is there no responsibility in Obama for what is said by such a person about his competitor?

by frankly0 2008-05-29 08:04PM | 0 recs
"Divisive and hateful"
Howard Wolfson, a chief spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, said the remarks were unacceptable and called on Mr. Obama to more forcefully reject the comments.
"Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics," Mr. Wolfson said Thursday evening. "We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 05/29/obama-apologizes-for-another-pasto r-critical-of-clinton/
by soyousay 2008-05-29 07:05PM | 0 recs
What a joke

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: "Divisive and hateful"

It is divisive and hateful.  Obama apologized and the Father apologized.

It's very sad that Obama has to apologize for anything bad that anybody he has ever known says.

This person has not been part of Obama's campaign for several weeks now.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: "Divisive and hateful"

I didn't know that Hillary and her creeps were jumping all over this in cohoots with the GOP and MURDOCK/SCAIFE NEWZ.

What party does she think she's in?

Divisive and hateful is right. Hillary is pure Republi-slime and the sooner her pathetic campaign is put out of its misery the better for all.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-29 07:15PM | 0 recs
Her entitlement complex is divisive

talking about it is just normal.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
Like Clinton forcefully

rejected Ferraro's comments as "divisive and hateful?" Oh yeah, right.

by batgirl71 2008-05-29 08:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Like Clinton forcefully

Ferrraro said nothing hateful - that is a fact. She made the same observation that Obama made about himself and that Kerry made about Obama.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama
A question for Obama supporters. If this is such a non-issue, why are you commenting so diligently?
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Because our tear sustain you and we wouldn't want you to starve.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-29 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

This is the best comment I've read in weeks.

by rfahey22 2008-05-29 07:14PM | 0 recs
We know what can happen

when swiftboaters are left unrefuted.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-29 07:11PM | 0 recs
Because we want to show you

what we think about your grave CONCERN after all it is your right to be so CONCERNED that you live in terror of the republicans.  However I believe CONCERN is a waste of time.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama

No idea.  My guess is that it's because you seem so concerned...

by guazatragicness 2008-05-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
It's pretty obvious, troll - Because:

all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
this is why superdelegates exist.

and I hope they use their discretion in picking a nominee. We really need to ask ourselves: "do we want another Al Smith?" Wright was bad enough, but two pastors, they will soon have a case that Obama IS Sharpton and Farrakhan, just like with Smith and the Vatican.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-29 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

I usually tolerate your invective, Jay, because while I may disagree with it, it's usually your opinion, and I know you feel strongly about Senator Clinton, which I can appreciate.

That's just frakkin' low, man. You just lost all the respect I had for you.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

You must have missed his comments about not fully counting the black vote during the primaries.  When pressed on that, he said he just meant we shouldn't fully consider the black vote during the primaries, as if that was better.

by map 2008-05-29 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

I did miss that. Disgusting.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

Read this stream.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/10/2 525/43509/16#16

by map 2008-05-29 07:36PM | 0 recs
Yes, and

this was an enlightening exchange, as well. Stuck out in my memory, for obvious reasons.

by sricki 2008-05-29 07:52PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

Yes it is -- to end the kind of garbage campaign Hillary has been running for too long.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-29 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

Yes, please email this to all the SD's.  

by map 2008-05-29 07:12PM | 0 recs
The reality is that Hillary's

associations are FAR WORSE than any of Obama's.

The Obama campaign just never "went there" with them.

This also is NOT THE SAME THING as Reverend Wright.  Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years.  This guy was part of Obama's campaign but has been removed several weeks ago.  He is kind of like Hagee and Parsley was to McCain.

by puma 2008-05-29 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The reality is that Hillary's

too bad no one cares about any of Hillary's "associations." Notice Bill was elected twice. And the reason for that was because while people know politicians know shady people, they dont' expect them to know racists. When you have as many things sounding like they rail against whites, the majority of people and the electorate, it will resonate a lot worse than Norman Hsu. Also, for every Hsu you can find, you can find one for every, EVERY politician. Not true with Wright and Pfleger and Farrakhan.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-29 07:23PM | 0 recs
Bill was last elected 12 years ago

if you think nobody would care about something that can be summed up as "Fuckjet" you're out of your mind.

by JJE 2008-05-29 07:43PM | 0 recs
Jesus Christ

Farrakhan?  Really?

What a fucking joke.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: this is why superdelegates exist.

Catholics weren't really accepted until we saw shitheads line up crosses along the rail line Smith would be taking in the South.  They set those crosses on fire so Smith would feel welcome.

If there are people analogous to the complete and utter tards that elected Hoover because they feared "papists" I've got just one thing to say:

Bring it on.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-05-29 07:14PM | 0 recs
You know that Pfleger is White right?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-29 07:15PM | 0 recs
That doesn't matter to some

The key problem for some is that Obama is NOT white.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: You know that Pfleger is White right?

actually, Pfleger being white makes it WAY easier to use him in a commercial. No one will accuse them of being racist is much if they use a white pastor saying things like that than a black pastor, where they can be accused of trying to scare people. in the closing days of a close race, where there is nothing to lose, like Jesse Helms, they will let loose the Southern Strategy.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-29 07:24PM | 0 recs
Good point

Pfleger being white makes it WAY easier to use him in a commercial.

Never thought of this.

People who say this is no big deal and will not hurt Obama in the G.E. must not have been through many elections. Like Kerry v. Bush.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:30PM | 0 recs
You have a lot to learn about America

if you think crazy statements by a white guy will get more attention than crazy statements by a black guy.

by JJE 2008-05-29 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: You have a lot to learn about America

while it won't get more attention when a white speaks in general, it makes it harder for people to accuse you of using race, as opposed to having Wright on the screen to bring out fears of "scary black men." The statements by this guy can bring out racists just as easily by not just the content, but the image of a PC white liberal.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-29 07:43PM | 0 recs
Sure...

Because Wright being black really kept the media away from that story.

by JJE 2008-05-29 07:45PM | 0 recs
None of these commenters saw 2004, DJ

I'm not going to waste my time. I swear it's like talking to people from Mars.

Why would this be a problem for Obama? Was a serious question in this diary. Oh lord.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:50PM | 0 recs
Actually I think it will. Were you here in 2004?

Did you see how easy it was for them to paint John Kerry as a coward and a traitor, based on the fact that he FOUGHT FOR HIS COUNTRY IN VIETNAM?

This will be more potent BECAUSE the guy is white. Then people will have more of an excuse not to vote Obama.

by catfish2 2008-05-29 07:48PM | 0 recs
You have a simplistic view

"scary black man" has much more resonance than "PC liberal."  The media already beat "scary black man" to death.  They're not going to make much of "PC liberal."

Your Kerry analogy makes absolutely no sense.

by JJE 2008-05-29 07:59PM | 0 recs
I suggest you read some history

of elections, where Democrats were painted and are painted as socialists.

by catfish2 2008-05-30 01:24AM | 0 recs
Why would the GOP care if Pfleger is dissing

Clinton?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-29 07:40PM | 0 recs
Him talking trash about Clinton will be useful

in a GOP commercial? Interesting.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-29 07:39PM | 0 recs
"They"? You mean you

That "case" to be made is racist AND stupid, so good luck with that.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:18PM | 0 recs
Not only is this diary pro-McCain

It's SPAM.

And since we're spamming, I'll repost my previous response...

Hillary's Nasty Pastorate

There's a reason Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

And wha'd'ya say -- should we hang this creep around Hillary's neck?

(But at least I'm not channeling FOX NEWZ.)

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-29 07:09PM | 0 recs
This is nothing. And frankly,

it is over shadowed by this McClellan book thingy.  Can't fault Obama for every single person that talks, if that is the case Clinton should be associated with many of her indicted friends, along with all of McSame's lobbyists he is in bed with.

by shirley temple 2008-05-29 07:12PM | 0 recs
Yawn

already diaried today, but thank you very much for showing your very deep and ultimately honest CONCERN  I can see that you are very CONCERNED but as for I I think your CONCERN is overblown.

(that is how you call out a concern troll and that is the only reason I came in here as concern trolls work to inhibit honest discourse by hardening partisan lines)

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Yawn
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... See, I can do it just like you.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Yawn
I see through your so-called mission to "call out a concern troll." By the way, I have a mission of calling out "head in the sand" trolls.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Yawn

said it best.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-29 07:44PM | 0 recs
Why is this a problem for Obama?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-29 07:14PM | 0 recs
Lots of blog activity on J. Wright II

Over 700 comments at Jake Tapper's site alone.  There's even a blog at the pro-Obama Washington Post discussing it.

I thought the AP story should have discussed the white entitlement argument more -- but it does have people paying attention.  The AP feeds most newspapers across the U.S. so this story will not go away.  http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hoD5U mGsKxR-pdYmCj3yYT19N_0wD90VMH9O9

Pfleger, Wright and their ilk are so ignorant about American history, especially social and labor history.  White entitlement?  I'm from a coal mining region and the Welsh, Irish, Polish, etc., miners were treated like curs by the upper class mine owners.  I got no financing from my parents when I went to college (Wright, the hypocrite, was the third generation in his family to go to school).

I'm assuming Obama will be nominated -- and I'm rescinding my membership in the local Democratic Party as soon as that is 100% assured.  I'm sending an e-mail tomorrow to Mark Warner's campaign telling them to cross me off his list (I'll vote for him on a personal basis) of future contributors.

by katmandu1 2008-05-29 07:26PM | 0 recs
hahahahahaha

Wright's a hypocrite because he's third generation educated!!!

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

God, the fucking stupid burns around here.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:47PM | 0 recs
Dude!

YOU CAN'T IGNORE 700 BLOG COMMENTS!!  It's curtains for Obama, I'm afraid.  This will be worse than fingergate.

by JJE 2008-05-29 08:00PM | 0 recs
This won't get any traction

this guy is white and Catholic.  As such, he can generally say what he wants and the media won't care.

Keep pushing it though.  It helps separate the good-faith Clinton supporters from the crazed.

by JJE 2008-05-29 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Take your pick, what inflamitory Clinton story should we start with?

If I was playing by your rules I would give credence to all of these and start a diary a day talking about Clinton's credibility and ethical  problems. This is what is in the RNC playbook for her, a past scandal for every week of the GE, no matter if it is creditable or not.

Now, are you a democrat, or a republican because we are reaching the point where bringing up these idiotic non issues really pegs you one way or the other.

Oh, the partial list?

Marc Rich, Vince Foster, millions of dollars in speaking fees that Bill Clinton has earned from Saudi Arabia, Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Mena Arkansas, Juanita Broderick, Hugh Rodham, impeachment, Sandy Berger, as a young lawyer, Hillary Clinton attacked the credibility of an alleged 12 year old rape victim, a 30% decline (from 30 governorships to 21) in the number of state houses controlled from the time the Clinton's came to power to the time they left office, Frank Giustra, Rose Law Firm, Somalia, losing the Senate 2 years into the administration, Doug Coe, Tyson chicken, Norman Hsu, Peter Paul, failed the DC Bar Exam, Ron Burkle.

by notedgeways 2008-05-29 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama
None of your "issues" have known for almost 20 years (if not longer). These are (yawn) old, old, old news. Give us something new to chew on.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama
I meant to say, your issues have been known for years.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:41PM | 0 recs
Not all of them, and even so

does that mean

1. They will not have traction

and

2. Many would be somehow "off-limits"

I guarantee you most of these have not played out in the media and most of the voting public know little about many of them. Yeah Lewenski is well covered, wanna hear about it again and again? Because it is likely with a C candidacy.

by notedgeways 2008-05-29 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Not all of them, and even so
They will not have traction. In fact, most of your concerns don't involve Hillary, who is actually running for President.
by zenful6219 2008-05-29 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Not all of them, and even so

She is running as having experience in the WH, therefore the Clinton WH issues would be brought up.

As for traction... I don't know. The stupidest things get traction, Dean Scream, Wright, RFK comment, Willie Horton. I mean if the media can have a field day over a few comments a pastor of Obama's have said over the last twenty years they certainly can concoct something from any of those. Just because they where not used in the Primary does not mean they can not be potential landmines in the GE.

by notedgeways 2008-05-30 02:02PM | 0 recs
get out of the party and this blog.

everyone ones of those "scandals" has been debunked or the Clintons cleared. get out of the Democratic party. You use Republican talking points and are dishonoring the greatest Democrats since JFK. You belong in redneck country where they don't believe in smoke with mirrors, but where there is smoke there is always fire. you should be banned. Not just from mydd, but the internet as a whole, or at least the non redneck conservative sites.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-29 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: get out of the party and this blog.

You obviously failed reading comprehension... go back and look at my preface, which says that these are not fair arguments, but arguments that will be used. The only way you could interpret what I said as being critical against Clinton is if you really feel we should play by the RNC rules.

But you know what, have your hissy fit and stick your head in the sand. Scream and throw your tantrum. Based on what you wrote I can't decide if you are off your meds or just annoying, perhaps both you ignorant fuck.

And no, they all haven't been debunked (losing the Senate 2 years into the administration... etc). I still wouldn't want to see them used but if you think they won't you are seriously deluded.

by notedgeways 2008-05-30 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

You're a sensitive one, with your "update."  If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

by rfahey22 2008-05-29 07:33PM | 0 recs
Shorter Update:

Reasonable counterpoints and rational thinking re: smear campaigns and guilt-by-association are not appreciated by Obama's irrational enemies.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:33PM | 0 recs
I like this positive diary

I go to church all the time.

Everything the preacher says when I sit in the audience is exactly what I think.

Hey If I don't like what my preacher is going to say, I should leave before he says it.

This is not good for Obama.

by HillsMyGirl 2008-05-29 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

This is so pathetic.

This man is a local progressive activists who has done more his parish I'd dare guess than any of us have for ours.....and yet for some stupid 2-day political gain, we have Democrats willing to throw him to the wolves.

Grow up.

by Deadalus 2008-05-29 07:38PM | 0 recs
Fuck your update...

I don't mind you continually bringing up shit that we've dealt with time and time again.  But this blown over scandal was diaried when it happened, the day after and already has had mutiple diaries today.  Could we at least not have mutiple diaries attacking our persumptive nominee on the same subject in one day?  Is that really too much to ask?

by nklein 2008-05-29 07:39PM | 0 recs
Oh no!

That white guy is a RACIST who obviously hates... other white people...! Wait... that doesn't seem to work...

by sricki 2008-05-29 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

zenful is a troll. fake outrage is one of the biggest signs. sorry to blow your cover zenshit.

by comingawakening 2008-05-29 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Has either Pfleger, Wright or Obama apologized unequivically for their remarks?

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 07:46PM | 0 recs
hahahahaha

The most laughable position held on this site is that Obama needs to pull off a magical SUPER-apology that completely, utterly, without-a-doubt closes every single loophole possible, he needs to accomplish an EPIC mea culpa of historic proportions.... FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S WORDS!!!!!!

Needless to say, those asserting this laughable position will NEVER be satisfied.  Obama could commit seppuku on the Washington Mall and it still wouldn't be enough.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: hahahahaha

It's not an apology if you don't make a time-machine and undo your actions.

Otherwise, your apology is just words.

by TCQuad 2008-05-29 07:55PM | 0 recs
Clearly,

Obama needs to apologize for not yet inventing a time machine.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: hahahahaha

All he needs to say is, "that rhetoric was totally inappropriate and I'm very dismayed that it was used on my behalf. My sincere apologies to Hillary Clinton, and please, folks, can we knock this off?"

How difficult would that be?

Anyway, I'm guessing from your post that none of them have managed unequivocal apologies.

by glitterannebegay 2008-05-29 08:39PM | 0 recs
Top Story on Yahoo

Somebody at AP thinks it is relevant.  And Yahoo news is one of the most widely read news sources.

So there it is -- another pastor problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_pfleger

The audacity of people on this site saying what we can or should talk about.  

It's not newsworthy! Ha.  Tell that to AP.

by katmandu1 2008-05-29 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Top Story on Yahoo

The only one who will be 'irrelevant' is Hillary in 5 days when she drops out of the race.

by MJJLWolf 2008-05-29 08:17PM | 0 recs
Ahh, America, meet Father Pfleger

We in Chicago know him very well and anyone who thinks that Pfleger's antics will hold the attention of the public during the GE will be sadly disappointed.

by batgirl71 2008-05-29 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Your "update" is laughable.

Like your Queen and ruler Hillary says, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

by MJJLWolf 2008-05-29 08:15PM | 0 recs
To katmandu1

And the AP doesn't profit from extending the race?  

I am sure you agree with the AP 100% and their judgment on every top story.

You Don't you really want to go there HRC fans. You have experienced 6 weeks of peace and love.

It is time to put an end to this for the Party. You lost. Obama will win in November and he will have coattails in states you can't even dream of.  

270 and a stronger congress is all that counts.  300 and a weaker congress has no value. Not that any general election poll is worth a crap at this stage.

by jproctor 2008-05-29 08:28PM | 0 recs
Those who support Farrakhan

like Pfleger and Wright (and those two openly embrace him) should be asked which of the following statements Farrakhan has made they agree with:

1."The same year they set up the IRS, they set up the FBI. And the same year they set up the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith... It could be a coincidence... [I want] to see black intellectuals free... I want to see them not controlled by members of the Jewish community."

  1. "Dewey, Kant and Hegel, and the rabbis that wrote the Talmud, make blacks inferior."
  2. Farrakhan has referred to Jews, Palestinian Arabs, Koreans, and Vietnamese collectively as "bloodsuckers" and maintains that "Murder and lying comes easy for white people."

The Wikipedia article on Farrakhan, from which this came, is well documented.  It is evenhanded -- for example, it debunks the charge that Farrakhan called Judaism a gutter religion.  But other charges stand, and it is clear to me Farrakhan is antisemitic.

And remember, Pfleger rose to Farrakhan's defense after Farrakhan said: ""These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood. It's the wicked Jews, the false Jews that are promoting lesbianism, homosexuality, [and] Zionists have manipulated Bush and the American government [on the war in Iraq]"  This caused a huge stir in Chicago, and many Jewish organizations condemned these remarks.  (I'd give you the cite -- it's in earlier comments I made -- but my main computer's network card has gone bad and I'm on the spare without access to the reference.)

by katmandu1 2008-05-29 08:33PM | 0 recs
So what's the price America has to pay?

Just curious what that statement means...

Obama's not a member of Pfleger's church/parish, so how could he resign from it?

Maybe this is the year we start getting preachers out of politics.

by alamedadem 2008-05-29 10:34PM | 0 recs
Recommended

Whether one supports Obama or not, this is a legitimate story that's all over the networks, so we can't just bury our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

I don't think it has anywhere near as much legs as Wright or that Michelle Obama tape that's supposed to be coming soon.  

by BPK80 2008-05-29 11:23PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

yawn

by feliks 2008-05-30 01:18AM | 0 recs

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