Former VP Candidates Not Welcome

From today's NY Times:

"What does it say that our last two vice-presidential candidates are absolutely persona non-grata in their own party?" said Mr. D'Allesandro, a fervent supporter of Mr. Edwards' 2004 presidential bid.

It's interesting that Obama's VP pick has no discernible aspirations for higher office should Obama serve two full, complete terms. Mr. Biden will be 73 in 2016. When McCain loses, the theme of age will of course tie into voters' perceived distaste. Perhaps Obama has tapped into Bush's understanding that voters find it relieving to elect as President and Vice President two people who don't have competing agendas and overlapping ambitions.... Maybe he has done Hillary a favor in that with the necessary distance from the White House as the Senate or a plum cabinet post, if Hillary were to run in 2016 that she wouldn't be seen as humdrum and tired, the same traits unfortunately foisted upon Gore in 2000, Lieberman in 2004, and Edwards in 2008. It seems that in presidential politics, voters typically desire freshness and newness every 8 years, and time and again VP candidates have been seen as more of the same with no agenda other than landing a promotion. So tonight, when Hillary speaks, it will of course be for Obama's sake, but also hers, and I don't mind that. Will you?

Tags: Joe Lieberman, John Edwards (all tags)



Tips & recs for sanity

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-08-26 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips & recs for sanity

Looking ahead to 2012 or 16 is total bullshit at this point in the proceedings.

by Obama44 2008-08-26 03:37PM | 0 recs
All I know

Is that Lieberman and Edwards have, quite sadly, chosen their time in the wilderness.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-08-26 03:30PM | 0 recs
Quite frankly

I'm quite pissed that the 2000 VP candidate has been effectively kicked out of the party...

It's the Dean anti-war nuts who have destroyed the party and kicked out good Democrats like Lieberman.

by Clintonite4McCainA 2008-08-26 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite frankly

Well, I'm quite pissed that Lieberman made his own bed... which just makes me pissed at Lieberman.

Shouldn't you be at

by JenKinFLA 2008-08-26 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite frankly

Yum yum donut for dum dum McTroll.

by Obama44 2008-08-26 03:35PM | 0 recs

lieberman is NOT a good Democrat. Everyone SHOULD be antiwar. To be pro war is insane!

War should ONLY be used as a last resort! LAST resort! Get it?

The war in Iraq was NOT a just or good war. It was not needed and has only made the USA and the world LESS safe!

So the opposite of your "antiwar" tag would be "pro war". Are you "pro war"? Do you think we should just be at war with someone, just so we can all be "pro war"?


by kevin22262 2008-08-26 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite frankly

Lieberman wasn't kicked out, he chose to run as a me-first independent when he figured out he was going to lose the Democratic primary.   He votes with Democrats on issues except for Iraq and national security and he hasn't been thrown out for that but should be for the way he goes about:  giving aid and comfort to the administration of one of the stupidest, mindlessly jingoistic presidents we've ever had (though McCain might choose to give Bush a run for the money on the latter scale if elected).  

Please do not confuse "pro-military" with "pro-fucking-imbecilic Iraq war."  You'll do yourself a service.

by InigoMontoya 2008-08-26 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Guys

How am I a troll?  Or do you just call anyone you don't like a troll?

by Clintonite4McCainA 2008-08-26 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Guys

I'm guessing given your username outs you as a McCain supporter, that you are therefore a troll.

by JenKinFLA 2008-08-26 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Quite frankly

Lieberman lost a primary.  That's how things are.   HE was accepted as part of the party in the Senate.   HE BETRAYED US when he supported McCain.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-26 05:14PM | 0 recs
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Well, Lieberman is no longer a Democrat and has endorsed the Republican candidate and Edwards is laying low after the affair being exposed... one is not welcome, the other is not showing up willingly.  

A distinct difference.

Lieberman may want everything to be all about him, so I expect an appearance somewhere, but Edwards does not want to be a distraction.

by JenKinFLA 2008-08-26 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Former VP Candidates Not Welcome

There are only so many keynote slots at a convention, and Gore would have to get one should he speak. As for Edwards, only a nut could think he deserves a spot after just admitting he cheated on his sick wife.

Come on people! This isn't rocket science!

by Obama44 2008-08-26 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Former VP Candidates Not Welcome

Well i dont really think this is fair.

Now Lieberman is a $%$#$ loving @#R$# and i am holding back here.  But Edwards, who i am still upset with, if imho a decent perosn who works very hard for those less well off or poor.

Edwards made a mistake.  Lieberman is an awful self serving prick who thinks he is the only one in america who knows the score.

If he doesnt get his walking papers in Jan then Harry Reid needs to go.


by giusd 2008-08-26 03:38PM | 0 recs
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They need him at the moment... once they don't, they'll cut him loose...

by JenKinFLA 2008-08-26 03:39PM | 0 recs
Not true

Joe Lieberman is a great American and a great Democrat whom the Howard Dean nut wing purged from the party.  Most Lieberman Democrats supported Clinton as well in the primary.

I think Lieberman made one mistake, which was to endorse McCain so early.  I can understand him endorsing McCain after Obama was the nominee.

by Clintonite4McCainA 2008-08-26 06:43PM | 0 recs
I agree kind of

I think she told him she wouldn't be VP.  For a lot of reasons.  He can't say that though, and neither can she (for a lot of other reasons).

by easyE 2008-08-26 04:13PM | 0 recs

John Edwards said that he did not love Rielle Hunter. Therefore, it was not a love child. It was probably a "lust-child".

by Dale Johnson 007 2008-08-26 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Former VP Candidates Not Welcome

That is a very interesting observation and one I will need to think about long and hard.

I think we as a party need to have VPs who are presidents in training the way the GOP does.

I think the Lieberman thing is as much Gore's fault as Lieberman as he had to know what he was buying into at least on some level.

We need to set our standard on solid solid ground and then not move it under pressure.

Lieberman was not solid ground.

Edwards either was not solid ground or shouldn't have been shunned.

We had Ted "I killed someone once while driving home" Kennedy given A list treatment and we are talking about Edwards being in the wilderness because of an affair.

I think as a party we should have had some small small small role for Edwards but not no role.  Not because of Edwards who I understand is a political time bomb at the moment but because we need to defend our ground.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-26 05:42PM | 0 recs
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Clinton/Obama would have been a good example of what I am talking about as having the VP younger and less experienced than the president is good for the future.  Even Obama/Clinton would have had our #2 as VP which creates a stronger ticket in 2016 in my mind.

Biden is not going to win a campaign for president and I like Biden.  So at least from one angle we wasted an opportunity.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-26 05:45PM | 0 recs
Come on be fair

Lieberman Democrats are part of the party too.  In fact, many Democrats who supported Clinton in the primary were pro-Lieberman, we supported Clinton in the primary because she was solidly progressive on domestic policy and reasonable on foreign policy.

Lieberman was a great pick for VP by Gore.  He was well in the mainstream of the party.  It was the Dean anti-war nuts who kicked him out for not following the litmus test.

by Clintonite4McCainA 2008-08-26 06:47PM | 0 recs


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