Latinos are insulted with "C" level cabinet post

First of all this country is unfortunately still about identity politics.  Obama played the game with the best of them, and won.

One of the reasons was that he convinced the Latino community to support him over McCain who had been a friend to Latinos, especially for a Republican.

Remember the "latinos won't vote for a black guy", and "they are the ultimate swing vote"?

Well the decision by latinos as a group both individual and institutional with their media and organizations to support Obama has been insulted.

No one could have blamed some of the Latino groups to say "McCain has been the 1 republican trying, and we don't want to disregard that"... but they did.

Now they get only Bill Richardson in the mix for a Cabinet job, and even he as an afterthought.

There are "A' level cabinet positions:

Sec of State
Sec of Defense
Attorney General
and now
Sec of treasurey

They are so because of the media exposure, the importance of the decisions, and the history of the job.

No latinos.  Also, btw No people from the left.

"B" level cabinet positions:

Environmental Protection Agency (sometimes considered cabinet)
Hud (upgraded because of housing crisis)
National security advisor (sometimes considered)
Homeland Security

No Latinos so far, but probably some coming soon.

"C" level cabinet positons are so because no one either knows or cares what they really do:

agriculture
commerce
interior
Energy
Labor

To name Richardson here, when he was already there before is an insult.

If you think I'm exagerrating about 'C" level status:

We just had a gigantic spike in oil up to over $4 and now a dramatic drop, and who is the energy secretary?
What did they do during the crisis?

We are having an economic crisis, and the commerce sec's job is to do what?

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Obama should have named Richardson to head Sec of State. It would have met his "change" image, and Richardson is Obama's type of Democrat on Foreign issues.

Richardson is too weak to hold any other "A" level cabinet jobs, so that was it.

Hillary will be a great Sec of State but she will be her own person.
Everyone has to know that.

I agree with the pick because to me it means, Hillary will run Foreign Policy.  Otherwise, why would she take the job, to implement Obama's vision?

Obama and Democrats are playing with fire with the Latino sentiment.  Of course there will be chances to fix this with departures later on.  Or maybe a Supreme Court pick.

But for now this is embarassing.

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Comments

101 Comments

Not cool.

Very few cabinet posts have even been announced yet.

by dtaylor3 2008-11-23 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Not cool.

what are you talking about, of the ones that matter, they are all filled.

You might argue that Homeland security is a top level, but I don't think so because it is setup to be so non-political and bipartisan.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 10:33AM | 0 recs
Dear Lord...

I just find it amazing that we could divide Cabinet positions in A, B, and C levels.

by RJEvans 2008-11-23 10:32AM | 0 recs
everyone knows this

you can debate the groupings, but no one is thinking,

"boy I really want that Commerce job"

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: everyone knows this

Everyone does not know this. You just can't group one sets of Cabinet positions and say this is group A, group another and say that is B and yet another and say that is C.

Under Rice, State has been pretty much useless. I certainly won't call it "A level" under her leadership. Since the Financial crisis Treasury has been high-profile. Through the war Defense has been on the top. In the early 90's HUS was front and center. Energy maintains our nuclear weapons. I certainly don't consider that "C level." Education is what prepares our children for the future of our country. Justice has had its ups and downs. Transportation is pretty important don't you think? I mean, without it, the infrastructure in the country could be in shambles, which could have a domino effect. Without Veterans Affairs we could have millions of veterans suffering after a war.

Your grouping is senseless and irrelevant.

Are there more "prestigious" posts? Certainly, and State is right on top, but to group them like that is just ridiculous.

by RJEvans 2008-11-23 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: everyone knows this

Really,

Name one person, you've heard about in history, that has ever wanted to be:

commerce secretary.

Right now today,

Richardson and Kerry, and pleny of others want to be Sec of State.

The facts show State is the "A" league, and Commerce doesn't matter,

name the last person who made commerce matter.
Doesn't exist.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: everyone knows this

One person who wants Commerce. I could name you 35. Bill Richardson will make it 36. He would not take the job if he did not want it. Yes, he wanted State, but that is not available.

One person who made Commerce relevant. Herbert Hoover. After his tenure, he ran for President and won.

by RJEvans 2008-11-23 11:23AM | 0 recs
Ron Brown

by ttmiskovsky 2008-11-23 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Ron Brown

Yep.  Ron Brown, who chaired the DNC during Bill Clinton's rin and was considered a member of Bubba's inner circle and a close personal friend.  I think 'Ron Brown' is the factoid that exposes this silly and divisive diary as just that: underinformed, underthought, and of dubious motives.  If the diarist is so opposed to 'identity politics' why attempt to fan them in this way?

Let's remember that Brown was killed in a plane crash overseas.  Given our growing trade deficit, Secretary of Commerce will be crucial to our economic recovery and requires someone with both domestic and international experience, interest, and proven capability.  Richardson is a fine choice and I'd be shocked if he is small minded enough to invent reasons to be petty and resentful about this opportunity to serve.  As Sec. of Commerce, he will be in a position to work on issues touching immigration reform with Napolitano as well.

Even crediting some of the net-root based misgivings about all of the old and experienced insiders, Obama's cabinet is shaping up to look like quite a team.  Even Reuben Navarette, who I rarely agree with about anything, wrote a piece arguing that Obama is proving that diversity and merit aren't mutually exclusive.  

Let's hope everyone involved takes good advantage of their opportunities at this critical juncture.  If they do, this could truly be a dream team.

Of course, if we want to invent gripes because we're bored two months before the inauguration...

by Strummerson 2008-11-23 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Ron Brown

proves my point.

Ron Brown would never ever, never been appointed sec of state, defense.

He was a political appt because the President liked him.

That is what you do with Commerce.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Ron Brown

From his Bio on Wikipedia:

"By 1976, Brown had been promoted to Deputy Executive Director for Programs and Governmental Affairs of the National Urban League. However, he resigned in 1979 to work as a deputy campaign manager for Senator Edward M. Kennedy, who sought the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

Brown was hired in 1981 by the Washington, D.C., law firm Patton, Boggs & Blow as a lawyer and a lobbyist.

In May, 1988, Brown was named by Jesse L. Jackson to head Jackson's convention team at the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta. Brown was named along with several other experienced party insiders to Jackson's convention operation. By June, it was apparent that Brown was also running Jackson's campaign.

Brown was elected chairman of the Democratic National Committee in 1989, and played an integral role in running a successful 1992 Democratic National Convention and in Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential run. President Clinton then appointed Brown to the position of Secretary of Commerce in 1993.

Many considered Brown as a future presidential candidate."

I bolded the last line for emphasis.  How does this resume prove your tortured point?  It matters not the least whether YOU thought him presidential material, or whether I did for that matter.  He was an accomplished, respected, and nationally recognized leader of the party.  

If this is the type of person democrats (who believe that government has a pivotal role to play in this area) appoint as secretary of commerce, it's awfully hard for me to see how this position does not represent recognition of Richardson's stature and abilities.  

by Strummerson 2008-11-23 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Ron Brown

Additionally, the following is the line of presidential succession:

Vice President
Speaker of the House of Representatives      President pro tempore of the Senate          Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Agriculture
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development    
Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Secretary of Homeland Security

Now, I do not think this necessarily reflects a ranking of importance (or of respect) but I think it interesting that two of your absurd 'B' group do not make this list and HUD and Homeland Security are farther down the list.  Again, this is not an 'Order of Precedence' of line of succession to a throne like they have in the UK.  But it sort of throws a wrench in your schematic.  

We should look at what opportunities these offices afford those who hold them and evaluate appointments on how well they afford talented individuals opportunities to serve regarding issues they are committed to and about which they are well suited to accomplish something.

by Strummerson 2008-11-23 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Ron Brown

Additionally, the following is the line of presidential succession:

Vice President
Speaker of the House of Representatives
President pro tempore of the Senate
Secretary of State
Secretary of the Treasury
Secretary of Defense
Attorney General
Secretary of the Interior
Secretary of Agriculture
Secretary of Commerce
Secretary of Labor
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development    
Secretary of Transportation
Secretary of Energy
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Secretary of Homeland Security

Now, I do not think this necessarily reflects a ranking of importance (or of respect) but I think it interesting that two of your absurd 'B' group do not make this list and HUD and Homeland Security are farther down the list.  Again, this is not an 'Order of Precedence' of line of succession to a throne like they have in the UK.  But it sort of throws a wrench in your schematic.  

We should look at what opportunities these offices afford those who hold them and evaluate appointments on how well they afford talented individuals opportunities to serve regarding issues they are committed to and about which they are well suited to accomplish something.

by Strummerson 2008-11-23 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: everyone knows this

Sure it does: Mosbacher.

Go learn...

by obama4presidente 2008-11-23 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: everyone knows this NOT

As some else pointed out in another diary, NOAA is under Commerce. Their satellites are used in studying climate change. You think just because Bush was anti-science that Obama will be also? Not me.

And the 2010 census is under this department. As an elected official in a small town I have already gotten paperwork to submit adjustments to the town boundaries since the last census. This will impact redistricting and the 2012 Congress.

International trade. NIST. NTIS. (the S in both stand for Science, something BushBots were allergic to) Patent office. (you want your genes belonging to Monsanto?)

Sec of treasurey

"C" level indeed. Treasury, it is spelled Treasury.

Meh to those who want to find a dark storm in every cloud. A cabinet position is inconsequential if the president thinks its work in of no importance. Like talking Education under a party that contains members who want to disband the position. I am looking forward to this administration getting all science-wonky on us.

by ttmiskovsky 2008-11-23 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: everyone knows this

Except, of course, the people who actually accept the appointments.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-11-24 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Lord...

my thoughts too

we learn something new every day. Is this like being in high school. I don't know these things because I am not in the in crowd?

by bruh3 2008-11-23 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Lord...

Actually I just realize- this has to be a joke right? Like eing on the D List?

by bruh3 2008-11-23 12:45PM | 0 recs
The first Supreme Court pick

I think will likely be a Latino.

by ClintoniteNoLonger4McCain 2008-11-23 10:33AM | 0 recs
If this keeps up

a latino SC justice  will have to be first,  to satisfy the base.  Hillary at State messed this up.

Richardson was definitely the next pick.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 10:35AM | 0 recs
This is just silly

Interior, Energy and Commerce are going to be three of the very most important positions within the new administration.

by linc 2008-11-23 04:43PM | 0 recs
Which "base"?

I'm part of the "base," and I don't give a shit what color, creed, or gender the next Supreme Court pick has as long as he/she is left of center.  Most people care about track record and ideology, not color.

by wilder 2008-11-24 07:19AM | 0 recs
"C" level post? Really?

With a 6.1 billion dollar budget for the FY 2007 that's "C" level?

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/spe eches/02-06-06commerce.htm

Or how about the 36,000-39,000 employees he'd have to manage FY 2004-2005? (I'm guessing it will be similar in size now)

www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/com merce.html

That's no small or insignificant job to manage that. I'm guessing Obama chose him because of his experience as mayor and he knows how to balance a budget. Not to mention this job requires somewhat diplomatic experience with talking to world leaders which he has. This is actually a perfect job and is no less important than the more "celebrity" positions such as State or Defense. I want competent people in gov't no matter what race they are, not something just based off racial quotas.  

by SocialDem 2008-11-23 10:43AM | 0 recs
"C" level post? Really?

With a 6.1 billion dollar budget for the FY 2007 that's "C" level?

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/spe eches/02-06-06commerce.htm

Or how about the 36,000-39,000 employees he'd have to manage FY 2004-2005? (I'm guessing it will be similar in size now)

www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/com merce.html

That's no small or insignificant job to manage that. I'm guessing Obama chose him because of his experience as governor and he knows how to balance a budget. Not to mention this job requires somewhat diplomatic experience with talking to world leaders which he has. This is actually a perfect job and is no less important than the more "celebrity" positions such as State or Defense. I want competent people in gov't no matter what race they are, not something just based off racial quotas.  

by SocialDem 2008-11-23 10:43AM | 0 recs
Re: "C" level post? Really?

they can have a trillion dollar budget.
no one cares.

Name one person you know who is pining for the commerce job?
education job?
labor job?

they don't exist.

It would be people trying to make a career, and then move on to what they really wanted.

That is the definition of lower level

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: "C" level post? Really?

Richardson. Also, all the previous commerce secretaries.

by dtaylor3 2008-11-23 11:24AM | 0 recs
Troll, troll, troll your boat,

gently at Mydd

by Geekesque 2008-11-23 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Troll, troll, troll your boat,

Twice now in about a year that I can agree with you, and rec yoru comment.

What's becoming of the world?

by emsprater 2008-11-23 03:45PM | 0 recs
We're all riding the Great

Unity Pony.

by Geekesque 2008-11-23 05:51PM | 0 recs
you forgot education and HHS

and I definitely don't think HUD is more prestigious than Commerce, but last I heard, the mayor of Miami was a leading candidate for the HUD job.

by desmoinesdem 2008-11-23 11:03AM | 0 recs
they both were down at the lower level

but i suspect with the housing crisis, it should get elevated a bit.

maybe , maybe not.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Latinos are insulted with

HUD vs. State, which is more important for the average American?

by poserM 2008-11-23 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Latinos are insulted with

you can make whatever argument you want, but the fact is,

no cares who will be hud sec.

it will go to fill out the cabinet based on which group was left out, women, latinos, progressives, etc.

Honestly, if Commerce is so good, do you think Hillary would leave the Senate to be Commerce sec?

Sec defense , yes
sec state,  yes
attorney general , yes

commerce no
labor no
eduation no
hhs no

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:25PM | 0 recs
Sec of the Interior Raul Grijalva
    The top candidate for Interior Secretary is Raul Grijalva, a Latino Representative from Arizona (D-AZ-07). Interior is a big deal; at least Westerners think so. We have more Federal lands, whether parks, forests or BLM land as well as major issues related to land and resource issues. Water wars, Bitches!!!
     Picking a Latino from the inland West is a very important choice. Grijalva is well qualified as he is chair of an House subcommittee on National Parks and other related issues.
by Zack from the SFV 2008-11-24 12:05AM | 0 recs
Get a clue.

Please stop and think for a change. Poo pooing Commerce really  means you haven't paid much attention to what going on these days. With the economy in the tank the domestic side of the cabinet is going to be very busy and very important. This would include Treasury, Housing, Health, Energy, and Commerce. Commerce will have a great deal to do with economic recovery.

What an asinine thing to even post showing a complete lack of understanding on how thinks work

by jsfox 2008-11-23 11:49AM | 0 recs
if so why haven't the markets

been clamoring,"who is going to be the Commerce sec."

we have to know...

lol

why defend a useless post.

Everyone debated the Treasury Secretary.  

Sec Treas., national econ. adv. council, Fed chairman make the important decisions.

Commmerce sec is not even in the room.

that is a fact.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:23PM | 0 recs
A gentle reminder

Commmerce sec is not even in the room.

that is a fact.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

by jsfox 2008-11-24 07:08AM | 0 recs
You seek the impossible.

Please stop and think for a change.

by psychodrew 2008-11-23 01:41PM | 0 recs
Your Ignorance is Showing

Not well-known or in the public eye / not important. And just because you don't see a lot of people on the evening news declaring their desire to be commerce secretary doesn't mean that it isn't happening behind closed doors.

by Cincinnatus 2008-11-23 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Your Ignorance is Showing

Yep but ingnorance is yellowdems stock in trade.

by Mylie 2008-11-23 12:13PM | 0 recs
always attack and complain

when yo can't compete in the world of ideas.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: always attack and complain

Always complain and attack when your ideas are proven to be ridiculous. Back up the argument with specifics of how the Latino community is responding to this assumed slight. Quote a specific person who has stated that this is a slap in the face, exclusive of the comments you've read on Free Republic. Try harder to play with a full deck. Your perceptions are not reality.

by Mylie 2008-11-23 12:28PM | 0 recs
first of all here's a NM paper

So, I'm asking everyone I talk to about Richardson's chances, and for the past couple of days, people (including some whose opinion I really value) have been telling me he's a potential Commerce Secretary. We all know he really wants Secretary of State, but conventional wisdom says unless Hillary decides she doesn't want to be America's top diplomat, Richardson should expect something else. And maybe he should expect something else, even if Hillary doesn't take it.

http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/index. php?option=com_content&view=article& amp;id=9462:richardson-for-commerce-secr etary&catid=25:inside-the-beltway&am p;Itemid=40

I am the one saying it is an insult, because Richardson, endorsed early and took the wrath of the Clintons for it, and Hillary got what he wanted.

But I will quote Latino leaders, then what will you say?

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: first of all here's a NM paper

Quote them please then I can at least understand the reason you've taken it upon yourself to be the spokesperson for African Americans, Latio Americans and people with 'values'.

by Mylie 2008-11-23 12:38PM | 0 recs
just remember if people like me

didn't vote for obama.

real dems who support traditional american values

you would still be complaining about why "progressives" keep losing.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: just remember if people like me

I think you voted for BHO because it was in your self interest. "President Palin" was enough to make anybody with a brain cell vote for Obama. As far as "traditional American Values" since EVERYONE who votes in America has values than that's a very broad statement.

by Mylie 2008-11-23 12:32PM | 0 recs
it's amazing that so many are fixated

on sexual orientation.

yet, I'm the one with issues according to you all?!
----
Ron Brown did not work hard to be Commmerce sec.

it is/was the kind of position you use to reward people.

No one would ever do that at Sec. of State.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: it's amazing that so many are fixated

No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them". - Homophobic asshat

Yes, you ARE the one with issues.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-11-23 12:33PM | 0 recs
would you rather have

President mccain.

because it is african americans like me, and other americans who put obama in the white house.

otherwise you are looking at the john kerry vote.

why do you think he made clear he believed marriage was between a man and a woman?

why he is careful to "reach out" on abortion (I'm pro choice) and other issues.

wake up.

You are calling the mainstream of america bigots and worse.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: would you rather have

Obama was against Prop. 8...  a fact that seems to elude some.  His position regarding his belief about marriage is clear: he has his beliefs, but he's not about forcing them upon others.

by mikeinsf 2008-11-23 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: would you rather have

You openly say that you don't want gay people living near you (and anyone who is comfortable with the idea isn't "normal"), and then you bitch and whine when someone calls you a bigot.

Boo hoo.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-11-23 01:03PM | 0 recs
African Americans aren't like you.

Correction: Americans from all walks of life put Obama in the White House.

And, an afterthought: I'm really concerned that most African Americans are insulted that embarrassing people like you insist on identifying with them.

And if they're not, they should be.

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-23 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: it's amazing that so many are fixated

if you don't know that you are the one who is fixated--with an extremist attitude, and in the vast minority= that's your choice.

Ever since Obama won the Dem nomination, almost every move he's made has been to convince democrats like me that he was with me and not you.

It continues in the transition.

You are ones being left out.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:42PM | 0 recs
"fixated"?

Aren't you being fixated on racial identity politics?  How is the above post any different?  Why not a high-level gay appointee?

Apparently, gays are one category of people that deserve nothing.

by mikeinsf 2008-11-23 12:36PM | 0 recs
this was the Politico 11/7

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/110 8/15375.html

Latinos push for Cabinet posts.

If you read it, they want at least 2 top positions, and many sub-level ones.

I disagree with this whole topic, as my first line shows, but Obama chose to play the game, read the article.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: this was the Politico 11/7

I understand that.  I think Latinos should have many positions in the new administration, and I also agree that Hillary's appointment undermined what probably would have otherwise gone to Richardson (and I also think Hillary is a good choice).

I'm taking issue with your bit about "fixation" on sexual orientation.  You seemed to somewhat dismissive.

by mikeinsf 2008-11-23 12:53PM | 0 recs
I disagree with all identity politics

and want the democratic party to be a mainstream majority party.

We should strive to help 100% of americans reach their God given potential.

Leave nobody out.

Obama is the one choosing which groups to include in and leave out.

he decided which groups can/can't be jettisoned for political advantage.

I supported Hillary. Then Obama. Now, I support both.  

But by giving Hillary Sec of State, that will mean Latinos which started out as the swing group in the election, will be left out of the top cabinet spots, this will have to be addressed.

I predict with the first supreme court pick, and then all will be well.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I disagree with all identity politics

Yet you consider gays to be less equal than straights.

I've read your posts and diaries.  

by Khun David 2008-11-23 06:54PM | 0 recs
My Life on the C List

A new bravo reality tv series coming this winter.

by bruh3 2008-11-23 12:47PM | 0 recs
Think Obama will appoint Latinos to Supreme Court

I am not sure that ur division of A B and C are correct. Besides Richardson would be a bad Sec of State. I am sure we can do better than Richardson.

Besides there are several ethnic groups not represented in the cabinet: where are the Asians?
 

by ann0nymous 2008-11-23 12:53PM | 0 recs
I agree

about richardson at state, he's too weak.

about the asian americans in obamas' cabinet, but they don't have a large enough power base, and they don't have an obvious pick already known.

I'm just talking the politics as they are.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree

You foam at the mouth about why Obama hasn't nominated Latinos for "A rank" cabinet positions, yet you then think that Richardson's not qualified for the position.

What?  Are you all about the quotas?

by Khun David 2008-11-23 06:56PM | 0 recs
What is with your

"talking the politics" meme? Do you believe it makes the tripe you pass off as logic more compelling?

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-23 09:21PM | 0 recs
Also, all cabinet posts important

If anything the crises of last few years have taught us that all cabinet posts are important and having incompetent people at cabinet posts just causes one crisis after another.

by ann0nymous 2008-11-23 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Also, all cabinet posts important

The has admitted to thinking Richardson should have been the one nominated to State, then he says that Richardson's not qualified.  

So, I think this Bushite is more than happy with the Peter Principle of cabinetmaking.

by Khun David 2008-11-23 06:58PM | 0 recs
You aren't Latino.

Why don't you let Latino people report themselves whether they're insulted or not?

Because this post utterly STINKS of once again putting your foot in your mouth about how other people supposedly feel.

It's more about how you would want them to feel -- same way as when you were saying that nobody wants gay people as their neighbours. In reality you meant that you'd prefer it if nobody wanted gay people as their neighbours.

Same way now you're saying Latinos feel offended, when in reality you mean that you want Latinos to feel offended over this.

In short, you suck, and can't distinguish fact from desire.

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-11-23 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: You aren't Latino.

true.

they are the ones getting insulted.

Maybe they feel fine getting skipped over.

Ok.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 02:16PM | 0 recs
The only people getting "skipped over"

in the upcoming administration are the witless, incompetent, ignorant, brown-nosing cronies that characterized the Bush administration's appointments. You know, your kind of people.

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-23 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: You aren't Latino.

Perhaps you should start getting over your need for racial quotas, and should start thinking about the merits of meritocracy.

You don't speak for Latinos.
You don't speak for Democrats.
You don't even speak for all black people.
You speak only for yourself.

You don't get to say when someone else is or isn't "insulted".

by Aris Katsaris2 2008-11-24 04:14AM | 0 recs
Buy a CLUE
All this talk about A,B and C level cabinet positions only shows your ignorance about how government works and each department's importance.
I guess you aren't aware that Commerce handles the Census and the Census has a direct affect on redistricting? Agriculture a C level cabinet post? LOL.
Have you looked at the budgets of each department? The number of employees? Responsibilities of each department? Anything?
Jesus man, try educating yourself on the issue before posting a diary about something that you obviously know nothing about.
by skohayes 2008-11-23 01:19PM | 0 recs
commerce is so important

that no one talked about it before, during, and after the election.

No one considers it a major assignment.

Bush put a Democrat in it.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: What Democrat?

Shows how terribly uninformed the diarist is.

by RJEvans 2008-11-23 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Buy a CLUE

The Census is going to be one of the top priorities in the next few months, I predict.

Simply because it is mandated to occur in less than 18 months from now, and the current administration has dreadfully neglected it.

by Khun David 2008-11-23 07:00PM | 0 recs
Adolfo Carrión is being considered

for HUD - which interesting.  He's Puerto Rican, from NYC and is currently the Bronx Borough President.

I have no idea what gave you the idea that you could speak for all Latinos - stop listening to the bochinche in the TM.  

by NeciVelez 2008-11-23 01:23PM | 0 recs
and forgot to add SW Mejicanos are excited to hear

that Raúl M. Grijalva is being considered for Interior Secretary.  

by NeciVelez 2008-11-23 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Adolfo Carrión is being considered

"Adolfo Carrión"?  "Adolf the Carrion"?!  What did he do to his parents to deserve that?

by username 2008-11-23 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Adolfo Carrión is being considered

According to Yellowdem, HUD would be a D level cabinet position.

by Khun David 2008-11-23 07:00PM | 0 recs
Your diaries are always group 'DD' ....

for divisive and derrogatory.

Your 'concern' for those of other ethnic backgrounds is, well, touching.

by emsprater 2008-11-23 01:31PM | 0 recs
what concern?

I'm talking politics.

I couldn't care less who gets what position.

I am interested in how the obama admin is going to be differnt than what I'd expect from hillary.

So far, looks about the same, which is pretty good to me overall.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: what concern?

The concren in each and every one of your diaries.

Each one is designed to be divisive in some way (as this one is, with racial and ethnic identity politics the focus, instead of competence and qualification).  

If not overtly divisive, then your diaries always have a condescending, derrogatory tone directed usually towards gays.

It's become such a known fact here that one can easily make the claim 'everyone says' that you are a homophobic bigot.

Rinse, repeat, enjoy.

by emsprater 2008-11-23 03:54PM | 0 recs
You're talking politics?

You're talking right wing drool. The only thing accurate coming out of you so far is the "yellow" in your name.

Take your despicable concern trolling elsewhere, coward.

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-23 09:06PM | 0 recs
"But for now this is embarassing."

As embarrassing as our local bigot?

by username 2008-11-23 01:54PM | 0 recs
keep insulting the American people

it looks good on you.

---

I'm speaking for me, saying this is embarassing.

if you play the identity game, and then have a large group like latinos as an afterthought to me that is embarassing.

That asians and others aren't even on the radar is sad.

The whole topic is ridiculous, but i wasn't the one who made the choices.

by yellowdem1129 2008-11-23 02:12PM | 0 recs
keep bringing the lulz

the American people are safer, and happier, while you do so.

by username 2008-11-23 02:59PM | 0 recs
Latinos didn't vote for Obama

to pander to Richardson. Asians weren't looking to get "their guy" in, either.

These pea-brained fantasies are entirely your fabrications.. idiot.

by Sumo Vita 2008-11-23 09:11PM | 0 recs
Not accurate

Ok, first off, identity politics are shallow.  Competence matters first.  Obama isn't going to appoint anyone for racial reasons alone.

Also, your perception on what is A, B and C is irrelevant. Just because you think 'nobody cares' and 'nobody knows' what these agencies do doesn't mean it's true.

I mean, one could say that your list of A level positions is accurate because those are the 4 highest posts in the cabinet in terms of the order of succession to the Presidency.  But do you know what's next?  Interior, one of the posts that you derisively put in category C.  Interior is incredibly important to shaping environmental and land use policy, and Raul M. Grijalva is reportedly under consideration.  Also, Matt Diaz is under consideration for HUD, which you put in category two.

Even if you wanted to play the silly identity politics game, Latinos are what? 15% of the population?  If Latinos got the #5 Cabinet spot (Interior) that would be in keeping with their percentage of the population.  If they got 2 to 3 cabinet posts out of 15, that also would be an accurate reflection of America.  Latinos wouldn't be insulted by that.

Also, Secretaries of State rarely stay for 8 years.  It's possible you might still see Richardson reach that post.

by NoahPinto 2008-11-23 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Not accurate

I completely agree with your comment about Richardson possibly eventually getting to State.

by obama4presidente 2008-11-23 04:09PM | 0 recs
At least you're not bashing gays

as is your usual practice.  That's a start.

But you may want to think about who in this conversation is actually fixated on identity politics.

by JJE 2008-11-23 02:49PM | 0 recs
Which Latinos?

Name some please.

I'm not insulted at all.  In fact, I'm pretty sick and tired of a Democratic party that bends over backwards trying to find minorities to fill positions in the name of "equity".

Equity doesn't mean that you make sure your numbers are equal, it means that you TREAT PEOPLE THE SAME.  In other words, give them the same consideration regardless of race/gender/orientation etc.

I didn't vote for Obama because I thought it would be an "equitable" vote, I voted for him because I thought he was the best choice.  To insinuate that Latinos vote only on the basis of race and what a candidate will do for Latinos is insulting.  Any Latino that follows that philosophy is an idiot.  We vote based on education, the economy, foreign policy, health care, and yes, immigration policy.  I don't give a rat's ass about the color or gender of the people Obama picks for his cabinet.  I care about their competence, intelligence, and values.

Entiendes?

by Renie 2008-11-23 03:34PM | 0 recs
Interior

No offense, but no way in hell is Interior a "C" level cabinet post (not that I care for this silly ranking system to begin with).  It's at the top of the second tier, just after State, Treasury and AG.  Interior controls huge sums of money and fundamentally shapes the usage of public lands all over the country.

"No one knows what they do"?  Idiotic.

by Deeg 2008-11-23 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Interior

Yeah--Interior is hugely important to many Americans, especially in the West, where it runs a very large percentage of the land, and among Native Americans. Its role in managing and conserving natural resources also makes it important to claimate change regulation--in fact, Bush is trying to change an Interior Department interpretation of the Endangered Species Act in order to stop the Department from factoring the effects of global warming when considering the level of protection a species requires. In further testimony to the importance of Interior, Bush political employees are trying to "burrow in" and become "civil servants" there. If a progressive like Raul Grijava gets appointed to this position, he cn make a huge difference for public lands, Native American sovereign nations, and the global enviroment--and that's far from embarrassing.

Reportedly, Richardson had the opportunity to take Interior, and if he passed it up, it must be because he is confident that Commerce will be a meaningful platform for him. Perhaps he will get a chance to be heavily involved in the auto bailout or in crafting and implementing the stimulus package; these roles would fall within the general purpose of promoting commerce and could easily be assigned by the president, even if they don;t fall within the normal purview of the Secretary of Commerce. Or may Richardson just looks forward to representing America's commercial interests abroad, which he has the skills and background to do.

And as the diarist notes, HUD is poised to take on extra importance because of the housing crisis. Manny Diaz, Saul Ramirez or Adolfo Carrion are said to be strong contenders for this position, and another of those three might end up the directing the White House Office of Urban Affairs, which Obama has promised to create.

If three or four Latinos receive cabinet appointemnts, that might set a record--at least for a new administration. I don't see how this is "embarrassing." And don't forget the Judge Sonia Sotomayor is considered a leading candidate for Obama's first Supreme Court appointment.

by slvn 2008-11-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Interior

interior has control over water rights and natural resource rights in the u.s if i recall.

it's a huge position

by theninjagoddess 2008-11-23 10:20PM | 0 recs
I am NOT insulted!!!!!!!!

I am a latino and I am not insulted by the appointments. Personally I think Commerce is an important appointment and who knows what else is to come. I also don't think of myself as a latino first and an american second and I would prefer to wait until all the appointments have been made before passing judgment (including the supreme court justice that will replace Justice Stevens)..

But I am insulted and have been for months by yellowdem's crummy diaries and comments.

Why are people always trying to stir up trouble? By writing that latinos are insulted all yellowdem is trying to do is make it so latinos ARE insulted. I would venture to guess that if you went out to a latino neighborhood and asked "Are you insulted Obama has so far only appointed one hispanic to his cabinet?" that 90% plus would say "Huh?" and then "no!" Now you do have some hispanic interest groups lobbying for power who want more influence but thats just politics and I don't think its really that critical to placate La Raza or something.

Sometimes I think people who post here are just bored and looking for an argument or something..

If Richardson had gotten the state position yellowdem would be posting about how Hillary was insulted!!!!!!!!!!!

by obama4presidente 2008-11-23 04:07PM | 0 recs
Thank you for your concern.

Your concern has infected me with my own concern.  I'm really worried about the party now.  So worried that I think we should divide, and begin some intraparty catfighting about identity politics and representation.  In fact, I think your concern has concerned me enough that I'm ready to take your cue and go spread the seeds of division and unrest on Democratic blogs because, like you, I really have the best interests of progressive politics at heart. Thanks yellowdog"dem"!

There, snip that out, show it to your supervisor, get your bonus and buy yourself a cookie.

by Koan 2008-11-23 04:22PM | 0 recs
Not from the left?

This thread seems to be a lot of nonsense.

Sec of State
Sec of Defense
Attorney General
and now
Sec of treasurey

They are so because of the media exposure, the importance of the decisions, and the history of the job.

No latinos.  Also, btw No people from the left.

Hillary is Sec. of State.  She is not from the left?  Her voting record is to the left of Obama. That appears to make your assertion a clueless one.  

And, how is Atty. general Eric Holder not "from the left"?  Make a logical case to support your assertion, or wear the label BS artist.  

by devilrays 2008-11-23 05:53PM | 0 recs
you know what's worse?

No openly homosexual cabinet member announced yet.  As you know, homosexuals voted overwhelmingly Democratic.  Why is there this injustice? Don't you agree, Yellow?

by reenactor 2008-11-23 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: you know what's worse?

Exactly.  And to make it worse, there still has never been an openly gay cabinet member, there have been several Hispanic/Latino cabinet members already.

Also, I have not seen any Asian cabinet announcements yet.  Damn, that is pretty racist too.  Why hasn't the Black guy announced an Asain yet?

What we need is a Blind, Communist, Lesbian whose Mother is a Latino-Asian-Jew Little Person and whose Father is a Deaf, Black-Native American in a wheelchair.     This should help to satisfy all groups.

by gavoter 2008-11-24 05:15AM | 0 recs
waaaah

lol, considering the fact that obama is presenting a massive increase in infrastructure spending, the commerce and interior positions are gonna be critical.

lord knows, considering the current crisis, Richardson is gonna have his hands full.

you're just being a bitchy little asshole.
fuck you.

by theninjagoddess 2008-11-23 10:18PM | 0 recs
BS

The only thing embarrassing is this moronic post about a non-existent scandal. Another manufactured 'problem' like the Hispanics won't vote for Obama nonsense that exists only in the minds of those desperatetly unhappy with Obama's smashing victory.

by hankg 2008-11-24 12:23AM | 0 recs
Oye pendejo, this latino is FINE w/ Obama's picks

The latino bench for cabinet positions is hardly deep, nor wide.

Latinos only account for approx 5% of all the top colleges in this country -- slim pickings for candidates.

Get over yourself.

by dcrolg 2008-11-24 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Latinos

I didn't realize that people took cabinet positions out of a desire for a "prestige" appointment and/or to function as a symbol to fulfill some kind of quota. I thought they served their country and worked at the pleasure of the president in whatever capacity they could and in whatever area they could best contribute.

But this diary does quote a lot of Latinos describing how insulted they are, so I guess the diarist is really onto something here.

by BobzCat 2008-11-24 11:54AM | 0 recs

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