You a Libertarian? Prove It! Justice Act introduced...

One of the phoniest group of folks out there in my NOT so humble opinion are the fellow travelers at the Tea-Bagger Racism Festivals who, because they are too embarrassed to call themselves Republicans, claim they are Libertarians.

You can spot them because they are basically Ron Paul sycophants, all jacked up about the FED and the Gold Standard, but their eyes glaze over if you ask them about Bush and the Patriot Act, domestic spying, etc...They were all for it, at least when Cheney was doing it. How else are we going to catch all those IslamoFacists that are hiding out in Montana?

See, when I was younger (a long time ago) the contingent that called themselves libertarian had kind of a distrust of authority INCLUDING the police, the FBI, etc.

They had a distrust of ANY governmental agency that wanted to keep tabs on LAW ABIDING fact, that was one of their MAIN concerns.  

But, I think those folks are all gone, replaced by a bunch of nuts who basically don't like to pay taxes they think are going to Cadillac Driving Welfare Mothers...or are fixated that suddenly Obama ATF agents are going to kick down their doors and take their AK-47s.

What is weird is, this group can now go around carrying loaded assault rifles in proximity to political events for the FIRST black President, and we are HAMMERED by the so called Liberal media if we mention HOW that would have gone down just a few years ago. So, at least to my eyes, their paranoia about the Gov confiscating their arsenal is a bit misplaced.

But, even so, THAT was always my argument to these folks when they gave Bush a pass on domestic spying, gathering databases on US citizens they can correlate to communications, phone tapes, e-mails, blogs.

If you're worried about the Gov coming and getting your guns, WHY were you not worried about Gov spying on you 24/7?  

So, if you really ARE against Gov intrusion, as all our so called Tea-Bagging Libertarians are, let's see JUST how many posters and banners we see supporting this bill at the next Glenn Beck Racism Festival... Oh, I mean 9/12 Freedom Rally! =317927

Tags: Feingold, Justice Act, libertarians, Patriot Act (all tags)



To be fair...

The Ron Paul types have been pretty consistent in opposing things like The PATRIOT Act and domestic spying. Ironically, that's why the folks at National Review don't consider them "true conservatives". Huh? I thought "conservatism" used to be all about personal freedom and civil liberties?

Still, I agree with you about the birthers/deathers/teabaggers/tenthers being complete hypocrites. Now they cry about "The Constitution", but all I see from them and their Dear Leader Glenn Beck are crocodile tears. Where were they when Bush raped The Constitution and stripped away our civil liberties? Oh yes, THEY WERE CELEBRATING IT in the name of "fightin' the ter'rists"!

by atdleft 2009-09-18 10:54AM | 0 recs
Well, let's see Dr. Paul come out in support

of this bill, and let's see his followers make a stand amongst their fellow baggers then!

Yes, I am being hyperbolic, and I do think there are a few faking being libertarians who seem to be just trying to pass and pretend they didn't help put Bush in office.

But, it would be FUN to see the real ones have to break ranks with their bagger buddies and back a bill introduced by Russ!

by WashStateBlue 2009-09-18 10:59AM | 0 recs
I bet you don't know

That the full name of the Act is the:

"Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001"

(I just want the Obama bashers among us with short memories to try to swallow that, choke on it, then stick it in their pipes and smoke it.)

by QTG 2009-09-18 12:43PM | 0 recs
Excellent Diary

Nothing pisses me off more than a free-loading libertarian.

by QTG 2009-09-18 02:03PM | 0 recs
I bet a high percentage of the older ones

carrying the Ayn Rand signs are on Medicare and Social Security?

John Galt would gag up a hairball if he knew....

by WashStateBlue 2009-09-18 02:08PM | 0 recs
Lack of understanding

Interestingly enough I first heard about this at CATO: 7/a-chance-to-fix-the-patriot-act/

The authors argument seems to be addressed by Feingold.

Section 301 - FISA Roving Wiretaps
The bill would reauthorize roving FISA wiretaps, but eliminate the possibility of "John Doe" roving wiretaps that identify neither the person nor the phone to be wiretapped.  It would require agents to ascertain the presence of the target of a roving wiretap before beginning surveillance.  

You are lost if you think the libertarians have not been against the Patriot Act and FISA.  In fact they where the only ones.

A simple search on and you can find hundreds of articles against infringement of our liberties from these bills that where passed by the democrats and republicans. =000107342346889757597%3Ascm_knrboh8& ;cof=FORID%3A11&q=patriot+act#915

Last point: People who use the terms tea bagger and tenther are just tools.  Disagree with their ideas, but calling people names is weak.

by Classical Liberal 2009-09-18 02:09PM | 0 recs
Ha! Where you been hiding CL!

Of course, this was NOT a diary to actual call out libertarians, but glad to see you around.

You seem to have been laying low amidst the Health Care Wars....

by WashStateBlue 2009-09-18 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Not a diary to call out libertarians

but no conversation about libertarians is complete without mentioning that libertarians will gladly spend a little of their Social Security disability or retirement income to take public transportation or drive on the interstate highways to join with others and protest those terrible collectivists who want to spoil everything for real individuals who never relied on anyone to get where they are today.

I despise them, really.

by QTG 2009-09-18 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: You a Libertarian? Prove It! Justice

The tea-party nomenclature has been co-opted by the GOP at large.  It WAS the name of the incredibly successful online fundraising initiatives of Ron Paul's campaign.  They were shunned by the rest of the party and even held a seperate convention.  I'm not on any of their mailing lists and I don't follow Ron Paul closely, so I have no idea how he intends to vote on this or any other bill.

The reality, though, is that the Libertarians opposed the Patriot Act, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the ideas of American Hegemony and Empire at goes on down the list.  In fact, they were the only ones standing up to the GOP nightmare in 2002 when the Dems were cowering under their wet bedsheets.  They really don't have anything to prove.

by SuperCameron 2009-09-19 06:27AM | 0 recs
Libertarians don't have anything to prove.

I agree. They REALLY DON'T have anything. Not a damn thing. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

And they got it on their own.

by QTG 2009-09-19 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: You a Libertarian? Prove It! Justice Act intro

I carried a "Stop Government Spying" placard outside the Democraratic and Republican Conventions last summer. The percentage of favorable reactions at each was comparable, but much lower than at Ron paul's "Rally for the Republic" inMinneapolis just before the main GOP shindig opened.

Pass the JUSTICE ACT Facebook group

by benmasel 2009-09-19 09:32AM | 0 recs


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