Who is buying all the ammo?

There was a very interesting diary about the rise of violence and right wing hate.

In that diary, there was a worthy discussion if there is a correlation between some of the incendiary talk on right-wing outlets and some of this sporadic violence we have recently seen; Both sides, those claiming a causal effect and those claiming you can't draw a straight line between crap Rush or Beck spouts to the base and some clearly disturbed individual who was already triggered to go postal out there, have valid points.

But, there DOES seem to be a traceable correlation between one phenomenon happening, and it would argue that the kind of hysteria we are hearing in the echo chamber is causing or at least exacerbating this effect:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story .php?storyId=102851807

Guns and ammo are flying off the shelf, and whether or not that leads to an increase in gun violence is not the main point of my diary, NOR am I calling for increase in gun regulation.  In that regard, I am an absolute fanatic, and no need to throw in some malarkey about hunting rights. The Founders thought an armed population was a good check to potential over-reaching government power, and, just for old time sake, I'm sticking with em. It's not that I believe we can fight off the Feds in an armed insurrection, Ruby Ridge is not where I am suggesting we go. I just think some ideas are good enough in theory to believe in and fight for.

I am suggesting something is driving this stocking up on ammunition and guns, and I believe it is being fueled by hysteria in the right wing media.

If you listen to the link on the NPR webpage, at the end, the gun store owner gives a pitch perfect rant, straight out of the Glenn Beck Handbook, with all the catch phrases: socialism, Obama giving money to people who don't work for a living, and gun confiscation. It's all there, all in perfect 3 part wing-nut harmony.

None of this is new; it's all the lingua franca of the modern conservative Republican party.

I think something is driving these people to the stores, in the midst of a recession, to  purchase a life time supply of ammo.

I think they are being driven by the message they are receiving, that their very way of life is in imminent danger, that someone is coming for their guns, their religion, the children.

It has always been the agenda of the Republican party and the right wing to keep it's base in a constant state of numbing fear, fear of immigrants, of foreign countries, of non-Christian religions.

For years, it was Abortion and Gay Marriage, and while that still holds sway, I think the rabble rousers are feeding a more toxic brew to the base, mostly because they are standing in the rubble their right wing anti-goverance Ayn Rand Idealism has rendered. This isn't Ronnie Raygun's New Morning in America, this is more the dead of night and something has gone deadly wrong, and they have to shift the blame away from their own failed agenda as the root cause.

Now, I think it is the message of the party, or of some of it's more incendiary prophets of doom, "it's time to arm yourselves, you must protect yourself from a hijacked government coming to steal your America from you."

Will we see 2009 versions of Ruby Ridge or The Oklahoma City Fed Building Bombing?

Only time will tell.

Tags: is the echo machine going to cause a spike in gun voilence? (all tags)



Re: Who is buying all the ammo?

If we see right-wingers revert to the violent little monsters they were in the 90s, they will be dead as a culture. There seems to be this attitude amongst the social conservatives that "maybe we'll just have to MAKE them listen by any means necessary". It's actually quite similar to the rich economic conservatives saying, "maybe we'll just have to hoard our money, stop hiring people and MAKE them listen".

Both these camps are so incredibly tonedeaf it's scary. People will see a standoff with the federal government as an act of defiance and terrorism. People will see a refusal to spend or make money as an act of betrayal that will resort in MORE punishment for the rich. Shit, at the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, that kind of environment is what allows an idea like, "we'll just lock the Jews up and take their money ourselves" to take hold.

No, to regain power and rejoin society, they have to start playing along. I almost hope that they take longer to learn, though, because I want to make sure they're as poisonous right now as they will ever be.

by vcalzone 2009-04-08 01:09PM | 0 recs
Hotel Rwanda

The same thing happened there.. its in the movie.

by architek 2009-04-10 05:00AM | 0 recs
You have a good point

The rise of insanity among the Republican screaming heads isn't only coming from the usual suspects. It seems to have permeated right wing politics and this is a good thing for Democrats in an electoral sense.

Dead is dead, however. My greatest concern is for the safety of people who work in progressive organizations, go to liberal churches, and Democrats in general.
I am especially worried about the president, because he is the locus of their blind hatred. As good as his security detail is - I've seen some of it firsthand at a rally and it's amazing - there is no way to account for every possibility. The sheer number of nuts being jacked up by hate speech spewing forth from Faux "News" and rightwing radio puts the president in real danger.

It's our responsibility to call out the haters and publicly embarrass them. They need to be scolded when they cross the line from loyally  opposing the positions and philosophy of the left to outright hate-mongering.

by Spiffarino 2009-04-09 06:16AM | 0 recs
people who do not want to pay
higher taxes in the future.  They come from both sides of the isle and as many are black and other minorities as white.
But hate is much more fun I suppose, so carry on.
by Teacher1956 2009-04-09 06:20AM | 0 recs
Another completely incoherent response

Can you give us a decoder ring or some cheat sheet with a translation matrix, cause as usual, you seem to be making some pointless abstraction only you comprehend?

There is not ONE suggestion, anyplace, from anyone in the administration, about taxing ammo higher.

It's a right wing fantasy, like the ones you have internalized.

Also, I got 500 bucks says, not a lot of minorities are the ones loading up on guns and ammo?

And, if anyone should know how filling hate is, it's you.

It's all you seem to be full of, hate for Democrats, Hate for Obama...

Get help, go take a Yoga class, rescue a dog from a shelter?

Get an object in your seemingly ugly grey life you can love.

Maybe there is redemption for you?

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-09 07:08AM | 0 recs
wow, another prissy little attack post

got logic?  People can argue all year about what Obama's intentions are...it is what people believe.  Go to a gun show or hang out at the other places where ammo is sold and see who is buying and then I will give you the address to send that 500 dollars to.

But then rage, ranting, idiot liberalism is more fun than reason and facts, so I do not suppose you will bother to rethink your hate.
Yeah, we are really going to recapture the rural vote with people like you allowed to speak for the democratic party.  I am guessing that even Obama would tell you to "STFU for the party's  sake".

As far as right wing....lol, I'll put my liberal creds (of the unidiotic variety) against yours any day.

by Teacher1956 2009-04-09 10:11AM | 0 recs

I know you don't actually read these, you just blurt you spew all over them, and, yes, Teachy, I am going to call your fake shennagins everytime I see them here...

And, just cause you kissed the Clinton ass doesn't make you the protype Democrat.

Your time is over, the train passed you by, and you got off and joined the Sarah Palin "any vagina will do"  army.

Good luck to you, but at least YOU will feel right at home at her rallies.

Angry, white, old..or young and stupid.

Just leave your imaginary AA boyfriend at home, HE'S not going to be welcomed too much by your new friends...

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-09 10:26AM | 0 recs
Your liberal creds vanished

when you started defending that fascist in Alaska.

by DTOzone 2009-04-09 06:47PM | 0 recs

Had Mrs. Clinton won, these nuts would have been just as chock full of shit as they are with the president.

Heck, had someone like Bob Casey won, the nuts would have been out and about buying ammo.

by Khun David 2009-04-09 08:37PM | 0 recs
NPR story

I think something is driving these people to the stores, in the midst of a recession, to  purchase  a life time supply of ammo.

NPR had a story on this issue Tuesday; a gun shop owner claimed that is exactly what is happening.  I have friends in law enforcement who say that even their departments are beginning to run into trouble obtaining ammunition.  

MP3 link, story link.

by semiquaver 2009-04-09 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: NPR story

That is the story I link to in the header...

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-09 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: NPR story

heh, um.  I retract my comment.  Need to work on that reading comprehension.

I will use the standard "no coffee yet" excuse.

by semiquaver 2009-04-09 07:25AM | 0 recs
No Prob...

On my second cup myself....

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-09 07:38AM | 0 recs
This is back on the Rec List?

What, I wrote this on April 8th?

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 09:48PM | 0 recs
Re: This is back on the Rec List?

Yes, WSB. You're THAT good.

by Spiffarino 2009-04-19 04:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is buying all the ammo?

living here in south carolina, perhaps one of the epicenters for the rash of rallies by mostly white people who have the spare time to spend waving flags, i can attest that the scary scenario of the bad old government taking their arms has once again ascended to the top of concerns of otherwise rational people.

i am 61 grew up on a farm, have shot a rifle, held a revolver in my hands, i understand american history enough to know that guhs will persist, even as cockroaches, if mankind disappears from the planet, they are as american as apple pie.

they feared bill clinton and janet reno were going to take their guns and did this same act, well, now they fear some black guy wants to take their guns, supersize that paranoia will you hon?

i laugh at these folks with their false alarms, but, they do not see any humor, that is the scary thing, not to mention the fact they are well armed.....i have no weapons, but perhaps some measures of self defense are in order, thus, shall i add to the swell of gun and ammo purchasers?

if you corner one of these gun buyers, they will remind you that one of the first things hitler did was to take guns from the germans, this to indicate their fear of a fuhrer....and 4-20 is the birthdate of one adolph hitler, so, i might be staying in doors on monday

by blackflag 2009-04-19 05:24AM | 0 recs
I love when these clowns invoke Hitler?

Most of them would have been down with rounding up the Jews and Homosexuals...

Hitler would have been a great candidate for this crew.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-19 06:45AM | 0 recs
Even in my litte blue corner of the country

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/lo calnews/2009076333_apwaseattleguns1stldw ritethru.html

And don't tell me this is about crime, or these people worried about protection:

Seattle police say crime across the city is at a 40-year low and 21 uniformed officers are expected to be added this year,

Besides, who needs an AK-47 for home protection:

Wade Gaughran, owner of Wade's Eastside Guns & Indoor Range in Bellevue, said sales of guns and ammunition have doubled with especially big increases in purchases of AR-15 and AK-47 semiautomatic rifles and other high-end assault-style weapons since the election.

Dumb ass-red necks...even Honest gun rights folks will tell them its stupid to have that kind of weapon for home protection.

The correct choice is what I have...A pump-action 12 gage.

Yes, I am not a anti-gun loon, as I said in the dairy, I support the rights of the public to have guns.

Just, I think the mind boggles when you ask, why do you need an AK-47 and hundreds of rounds of ammo?

Walla Walla going to turn into Ruby Ridge?

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 09:50AM | 0 recs


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