I blame Obama

I blame obama

Not John Yoo

Not David Addington

Not George Tennet

Not Jay Rockefeller

Not Diane Feinstein

Not Janis Karpinksi

Not Don Rumsfield

Not Dick Cheney

Not George Bush

I blame Barack Obama

Only OBAMA must be blamed.

Doesn't matter that probably he couldn't get more
then 5-10 Democratic Senators to back legal action

Doesn't matter that most of the country would consider
it a witch hunt.

Doesn't matter that most of the intelligence community
would turn against the administration.

Doesn't matter that virtually EVERY other President has ignored
the war crimes of the previous administrations.

Doesn't matter that CIA and other US covert agencies
have tortured all through-out the cold war.

Doesn't matter that President Obama has changed the US policy
and brought us back from the brink.

None of that matters.

NO. We must GET OBAMA For this.

He is an accessory after the fact.

He must be impeached.

HE is the one!

Seen ANY of those names mentioned lately on MyDD?

All others, well, what did THEY have to do with it?

Nothing, evidently, from 99% of the diaries I read on this pathetic blog.

Tags: This place really sucks sometimes.... (all tags)



Re: I blame Obama

I didn't blame Obama. I blamed Jay Bybee.

But I understand your frustration. I've said it before Obama bashing serves nothing. Criticism when warranted is best positioned as prodding.

Anyone who can't recognize that this President represents the best opportunity to enact a progressive agenda since LBJ is smoking something. Still it bears repeating that Obama needs reminding now and then he should dance with who brung him.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-17 10:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

But still the Obama-bashing continues.

by spirowasright 2009-04-17 10:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

well, there is a difference between rough bashing and speaking a different opinion. Barack wants to hear from those who disagree more than from those who agree.  He wants to listen, and he'll make up his mind, but if no one speaks their disagreements, how would he know?  

by anna shane 2009-04-18 04:26PM | 0 recs
Not to blow smoke up your ass

But I always appreciate your criticisms, in the sense that that are issue-focused, and (to my mind at least) reality-based.

Where I sometimes despair (and that's not too strong a word) is what I am seeing played out in the blogs:

1-Bush lays 100 turds.
2-Obama turns 80 of those turns into rainbows
3-People point to the 20 remaining turds and say "Just like Bush!"

It engenders despair because I realize if Obama isn't good enough, no one ever will be. Ever. If this wasn't a win, we're not going to win. Even Kucinich would have compromised something. Even McKinney would have. It's the nature of politics. And those things they compromised would become the focus of their presidencies, from our perspective.

Releasing the torture memos was an unprecedented act of political courage, I challenge anyone to show me ANY of our politicians doing something to match it. But instead of being lauded for pulling two women from a burning building, we criticize because he let a third one burn.

Before now, Clinton was the greatest President of my time. I remember his tenure fondly, and I have happily defended him against wingnut smears for years. Getting back to Clinton would have been my loftiest political goal.

Obama is significantly more Progressive than Clinton. And it's not good enough.


by Neef 2009-04-18 03:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Not to blow smoke up your ass

Mojo'd, for excellent use of turds in political commentary.

by freedom78 2009-04-18 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Not to blow smoke up your ass

Yup. I see your point.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-18 11:59AM | 0 recs
Charles, not of course ranting at you

Your diaries are content rich, and very thoughtful on this issue.

What I am ranting at is, SOMEHOW this is Obama's exclusive fault.

As if Every Democratic Senator was out there LEADING THE CHARGE?

The country is focused on are they going to keep their jobs, will their 401ks ever come back?

Right now, to start the great Torture trials?

Yeah, I would love to see, along with the rest of us 5% Moon-bats...

But, I have to be honest.

90% of my friends would probably go the other way, including the Bush bashers.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Charles, not of course ranting at you

You know there are those who accuse us of being cheerleaders, so I get it on both ends. Look at my trajectory which I will qualify by stating that I believe that politics is not static, it is dynamic. Events happen and opinion can change. I disliked Obama in 2007 or perhaps better put I thought him naive, inexperience and non-sensical. I'm a partisan f**k so this post-partisan stick ain't my bag. Then I could not get past his vote for the Bush Cheney Energy Policy and the whole Alice Palmer episode left a very sour taste in my mouth and this was all before the primaries got rolling. I had a hard time deciding between Edwards,  Kucinich, Gravel and Biden. I was also in the ABC crowd. Anybody But Clinton.  I went with Edwards because I thought him the most electable. Plus I had breakfast with Elizabeth and fell in love.

Obama wins Iowa. It becomes a three person race. Edwards is not looking good. Then comes NH. Clinton finds her voice and I go where the hell has this woman been? Suddenly Clinton is an option. Obama still doesn't impress me. Strikes me as misogynistic at times. Edwards drops out, thankfully in hindsight. I go with Clinton. I flirt with the PUMAs though I never felt that Obama didn't win fair and square. He won the most pledged delegates. No dispute there. I thought his speech in Berlin was wrong. Georgia happens.  McCain gets cred with me. He picks Palin. I take a hard look and I can see Russia from her house. Not good. I look at Nader. I go with NOTA. none of the above. Obama talks to Joe the Plumber. Obama says those three magic words and he wins me back. "spread the wealth."  

At the end of his term if Obama has narrowed income distribution, I will count his Presidency a success. In the meantime, I am fully aware that Obama is just a politician with  attributes and flaws. Among his attributes is that he isn't ideological rigid, among his flaws is that he isn't a progressive on all counts. He might be the only person in the country who in 1996 was for gay marriage but is against it now. That is what politics does.

I understand your rant. Obama-bashing is myopic. But on the torture issue there is never a good time to have that discussion for it will further polarize the country but it is even worse not to have that discussion for it countenances a serious breach of the Constitution and represents an affront to American values. We cannot afford not to have that discussion is the view I  take.

I know that you're right that too many here and elsewhere seem to want to throw the baby with the bath water. Even if I lose on this issue and I've already lost on the fiscal stimulus, the banks, Afghanistan, Cuba, drug trade policy, it doesn't signify a break with Obama. The beauty of this moment is that we are actually having policy debates. I've lost more that I would have liked but that's cool. I am used to losing but on the flip side, the budget trumps a lot. It is a beautiful budget. Perspective.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-18 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

FYI - Far Right Dem claims to have been banned here, and is now whining about it over at The Corner.

by Khun David 2009-04-17 10:36PM | 0 recs
As Todd said KNM is MyDDNoMore...

by louisprandtl 2009-04-17 11:58PM | 0 recs

He may be whining but he's being warmly embraced.  All because he said the magic words.

And there's MORE MORE MORE!  Just nuzzling up against KNM's dispatch from limbo is our favorite cut'n'paste opinionator who seems to have lurched right back into sins & sinful psyche of Obama mode.  Keeping up the theme, she even has a shout-out to MYDD:  

I tried to warn you, Jerome.  And now I'm not even allowed to post or comment at your website.  I guess they just can't handle the truth at MyDD.-Caro

Of course kitty korner is sea of rational calm next to the crazy, crazy nutso-land of our old pal, the darlinkh.

I try to avoid those places but you can be sure that whenever I click over, it is most certainly Obama's fault!

by January 20 2009-04-18 03:52AM | 0 recs
Re: NoMoreKNoMore

Twas about time for the boot.

by devilrays 2009-04-18 06:40AM | 0 recs
KNM always told me, she was a she...

Of course, who knows. Not like KNM had a real strong relationship with the truth...

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: NoMoreKNoMore

Caro was kicked off?  I was wondering where she'd gotten off to.

People complaining at Alegra's about not being able to post here is a hoot.  They don't let anyone who's not in lock step with them post.  During the election you couldn't even be mildly critical of McCain.

by Jess81 2009-04-19 04:33PM | 0 recs
How many of these folks were rabid Clinton-ites?

Again, part of my rant?

How many of them, Caro, etc, would be DEFENDING President H. Clinton if she made the same decision.

Would they be calling for Primarying HER?

My take is, a President H. Clinton might have had a tougher time even releasing the memos?

But, STILL they would have defended her.

I am NOT happy with Obama, or Holder about this.

But anyone that doesn't think took fighting the prevailing winds just to release the memos?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090418/ap_o n_go_pr_wh/us_torture_memos_debate;_ylt= AuGr7NOMqEzbUboGq.8oHWNI2ocA

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

The Corner? Isn't that part of the National Review?

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-18 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

Not that corner.

The other corner.

by Khun David 2009-04-19 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

That just goes to show what I think of Alegre. I don't and I am going to keep it that way.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-19 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

Great diary. Publishing those memos was very courageous. And it's not the end of the story.

by french imp 2009-04-17 11:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

Maybe I am wrong but didn't ACLU sue to get the memos released?

I was on a plane when all this happened so I am not sure of the details.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-18 12:04PM | 0 recs
even if they did

FOIA could be stalled in the courts for a long time.

by sepulvedaj3 2009-04-18 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

UeberNazgul commander Angmar claimed 'I was on a flying mount when all this happened so I am not sure of the details' at the Nurnen trial but the elvish/dwafish/hobbit/human judges ruled that it could at best be considered a mitigating circumstance.

by french imp 2009-04-19 05:12AM | 0 recs
Well said. Time to impeach, IMO. n/t

by sricki 2009-04-17 11:44PM | 0 recs
To be fair

MyDD is one of the more restrained blogs on this subject. DKos is basically on a witchhunt at this point, and commenters on OpenLeft are already talking about Primarying him.

by Neef 2009-04-18 03:37AM | 0 recs
Re: To be fair

Primarying Obama? Why?

On the other hand, people say inane things in the comments.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-18 12:02PM | 0 recs
Yeah, ignore that

I should know better than to take the comments seriously.

by Neef 2009-04-18 01:01PM | 0 recs
Idle threats made

in blog comments sections?

Sacre bleu!

by Geekesque 2009-04-19 07:26PM | 0 recs
by QTG 2009-04-18 03:37AM | 0 recs
It's actually not so bad here

you should see kos, OpenLeft, TPM and Democratic Underground.

Compared to those places, MyDD has been a hell of a lot more rational.

by DTOzone 2009-04-18 06:59AM | 0 recs
Who are the angry folks?

How many were Obama bashers in the primary?

How many would be defending her?

And, Dkos?

Oh the sweet irony. The Obama Kool-aid center of the universe according to most!

I will have to check it out, but that is kind of surprising.

Do any of them at least admit, this would NEVER touch Bush or Cheney?

Part also of my rant, sorry folks, Bush or Cheney are not going to be put on trial for war crimes.

Not in the US, not with THIS congress, and not where the vast majority of the population sits.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 07:41AM | 0 recs
A credit to this site.

And I've been plenty critical of this place.

Though, where will I get Caro's cut and paste of the PUMA's rebranding of the RNC daily talking points?

by Geekesque 2009-04-19 07:29PM | 0 recs
Dkos on this....

Well, Yes, I see a lot of pissed off people, but also see some more realism, then I have seen here.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/18/ 721399/-Just-Following-Orders

A lot are saying what I am saying, that Obama is fighting a tremendous head-wind, that this is NOT over, but to think we are going to war crime tribunals tomorrow is some wild fantasy.

And, I didn't read all the diaires, but I don't see many calling to primary Obama, Impeach him, or calling him "an accessory after the fact" like I did here.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 08:53AM | 0 recs
Some nice stuff on Open left

This guy plays the Goodwin card:

http://openleft.com/user/Paul%20Rosenber g

Obama is a nazi sympathezier. Nice, haven't that card played here yet...

Paul seems to the be the main "lets string up Obama" poster over there.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-18 10:25AM | 0 recs
I warned you

Your best bet is to stay off those sites, especially OpenLeft, which has gone head on against the President since January 21st. That site has become essentially irrelevant...a sandbox for deadenders.

Chris Bowers wrote a (rare) diary there praising the President for something a few weeks ago and it was badly received in the comments. There are commenters there who don't think Al-Qaeda even exists. There are some people there challenging the notion that "Obama hearts the Nazis" with arguments that make sense, but they're being vilified as torturer apologists.

In the grand scheme of things, OpenLeft doesn't matter...pretty much the entire liberal blogsphere is merely a place to exchange ideas...we have minimal to no control over the direction of the Democratic Party...we're only a piece of it.

If you polled OpenLeft, most of them would probably say they aren't Democrats anyway.

by DTOzone 2009-04-18 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Some nice stuff on Open left

Thanks for the link. It strikes me that Paul's approach is to burn bridges.

It serves little purpose.

by Charles Lemos 2009-04-18 05:32PM | 0 recs
I didn't get that sense from

his piece.  Though, using the Nazi analogy tends to relegate one to the fringe.

by Geekesque 2009-04-19 07:31PM | 0 recs
The misdeeds of others

don't excuse Obama don't doing the right thing here.  But nor do they make Obama OMGjustlikeBushsellout!

by JJE 2009-04-18 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: The misdeeds of others

it doesn't excuse not doing the "right thing," but when you are overseeing the administration of the entire government and you have a limited amount of political capital determining the "right thing" becomes a very complicated process at best. It seems to me that many people around here would prefer that more people lose their jobs, the economy remains a mess, and that we don't move forward on the future in anyway because it is soooo much more important that we have our own little Nuremburg court here in the United States.

If it were in anyway a reasonable use of government resources at this time I would probably be in favor of some sort of hearing, the truth of the matter is that there are far more important things to do. Obama has done the right thing in my mind by releasing the memos and making it clear in every conceivable way that these practices are over and forbidden. Now he is moving on to fixing the next mess in a litany of messes and too many people are upset about that simply because, for them, it would be more emotionally cathartic to punish the Bush Administration for what it did then set about to the business of doing considerably better with our future.  

by JDF 2009-04-19 10:28AM | 0 recs
I dunno

appointing an independent prosecutor to look into torture doesn't seem to me to be a big diversion of resources and attention.

by JJE 2009-04-19 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: The misdeeds of others

I worry only that fixing the long term problems is taking to long to be recognized by the masses.  however, if a hearing was announced tomorrow, it would instant gratification.  

by selfevident 2009-04-20 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

I think people are very confused about what's possible in the electoral process and what's not.  War crimes tribunals were NEVER on the table.  If people want to see that happen we have to force the government to do it, which unfortunately hasn't happened in American history.

Watergate's a good precedent here.  Among Nixon's crimes, the illegal bombing of Cambodia absolutely dwarfed anything else he did in terms of scale and the human cost, but it was explicitly left out of the final draft of impeachment.  Instead, you were going to have Nixon impeached for spying on Democrats - a crime to be sure, but not on the level of industrialized mass murder.

It just doesn't happen.  I don't know what these people are thinking, or what their level of political sophistication is, but to compare Nuremburg, where aside from the crimes being much worse, you had one country militarily occupying another and trying its entire political leadership, with the results of an election is just silly.

I'd like to see members of the Bush administration prosecuted too.  I'm just not holding my breath waiting for the President to do it.  He won't.  And if he was the sort of person who might, he'd never have been elected: he'd get mocked like Kucinich.

by Jess81 2009-04-18 05:19PM | 0 recs
Like I said

Instead, you were going to have Nixon impeached for spying on Democrats - a crime to be sure, but not on the level of industrialized mass murder.

one directly threatened half the American population, the other threatened citizens of a country millions of Americans probably couldn't find on a map.

by DTOzone 2009-04-18 10:14PM | 0 recs

Nothing in Nixons articles of impeachment mentioned HIS potential war crimes...

Because the Democrats knew that wouldn't fly.

Besides, the aftermath of 9/11, I bet a poll of Americans would have given a clear mandate to draw and quarter anyone who even remotely was involved..

This country was in blood-lust, so we need to always be aware, the angels are NOT nessarily our better nature here....

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-19 06:38AM | 0 recs
This Gives Me Some Hope

Maybe we can get Bush on a violation of amendment 14  to the Constitution

<ita>"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."</ita>

Remember during the Social Security debate when the Treasury bonds that guarantee the fund were nothing more than (paraphrasing) 'a series of IOU's' and 'worthless scraps of paper" - wouldn't he then be questioning the validity of the U.S. public debt?

I know, it's a stretch, but a man can dream...

by RecoveringRepublican 2009-04-19 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: This Gives Me Some Hope

Side not - sorry I screwed up the html above, but you get the idea.

by RecoveringRepublican 2009-04-19 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

wow. wow.

a bit on a tirade?

I'd give a pass to the lower hacks doing the dirty work - although Lindy didn't get that pass.

As long as Obama doesn't shirk on keeping the memos and dirty laundry coming - cool. As long as he doesn't obstruct justice being served to the ones that really count (Yoo et al., Cheney, Bush - well maybe he'd get an insanity or not responsible due to ineptitude plea, but for sure Cheney) - then very cool.

If Obama gives a free pass to all involved, serious business.

by swissffun 2009-04-19 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

This is a breath of fresh air.   Thanks, WashState Blue!

People want revenge.. revenge against the banks... revenge against the Bush administration....  That's what's driving a lot of the bile at other sites...

I'm not into revenge... we won... we're making changes... let's move on... dwelling on the past is only going to slow down the agenda moving forward...

Unfortunately, a lot of dems are becoming purity trolls on this, or some other issue of their choosing, and it's all or nothing, like a two year old.

The comments here are wonderfully refreshing... and this diary is spot on!  Can you post it at dKos?  I think you'll get good response there, too... mostly, people are frustrated.  It's important to remind them that this is Bush's stuff, not Obama's...

I'm a realist... I know how difficult it's going to be to move forward.  I lived though the Bill Clinton debacle of 93 and 94... I'm pleased as punch right now!  We're getting more done in 3 months than any president has been able to do in 30 years! I have to think that the curmudgeons must be really young to have forgotten the misery of the past 30 years...  The is the best political time for democrats for 40 years!  Enjoy it!

by LordMike 2009-04-19 06:12PM | 0 recs

As said before, for writing "right wing crap" as kosnomore, I was banned by Beeton from mydd.

Today, apropos of nothing, it's posted on mydd that:

"Far Right Dem claims to have been banned here, and is now whining about it over at The Corner."

I had thought that KNM and FRD were two seperate entities.

I apologize for being so naive.

by Khun David 2009-04-19 09:33PM | 0 recs
I blame Jane Harman and Alberto Gonzales

It was Janey who convinced the NYT not to delay the wiretap story until after the 2004 election.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archive s/2009/04/must_read_5.php

both are guilty of treason and various other felonies

by obsessed 2009-04-20 12:25AM | 0 recs
So many peoples fingerprints are all over this...

And, I am talking about so called Democrats?

Harman is another blue dog who votes with the Republicans on most issues...slightly to the left on social issues, but basically another Democratic who follows Ronald Reagan more then Franklin Roosevelt.

Sorry for leaving Alberto off my list, but, I guess I am trying to forget him and for more reasons than just his complicity in torture.

by WashStateBlue 2009-04-20 06:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I blame Obama

I gotta tell you. Ever since I heard from this Sun. that the Obama admin. was starting to tell the banks to kma by threatening to convert into common for the loans, I've started to like them. More.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-04-21 05:50PM | 0 recs


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