Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Barack,

I've debated whether we need to wait a few more days before writing this but as more state and national polls come out, it's clear to me with each passing day that this bounce is probably not a bounce but an actual game-shifting surge.  Your surrogates try to point to this or that in these polls to rationalize that it's solely due to independents or just renewed enthusiasm from the Republican base.  Blindly believing that some of Hillary's supporters aren't still hurt and seeking closure for those feelings, at this point, leads us closer and closer to defeat.

Hillary made her speech to her supporters, Bill made his speech to Hillary's supporters - they were fine speeches but those speeches were not enough for many.  

** BARACK IT'S TIME YOU MAKE 'THE SPEECH' DIRECTED STRAIGHT TO HILLARY's SUPPORTERS  **

And you need to do it NOW.  But you say, "I always ask them for their vote at every stump I give".  No, not in a stump speech.  In a focussed speech targeted at HILLARY's supporters with Hillary by your SIDE.

Don't worry that detractors might say "insincerity, it's self-serving because he's losing and needs them now" or that no way is it going to work, don't even bother -  The ELECTION is at stake.  Nobody needs to rehash what happened in the Primaries and the VP selection, but try to think how your supporters would have felt if you were in Hillary's shoes after a hard fought primary and being skipped over for VP - and you'll know in your heart how they feel.

You've taken it this far to not go take the last measure needed to get the train back on its tracks - a little empathy, humility, sincerity will work. Explain in your own words how you viewed what transpired and REALLY ask them for THEIR VOTE.  

Look up the word 'ELOQUENCE' in the dictionary and your picture is there - we know you can weave the words.  You won't convince all of them but I believe those that have gravitated to McCain/Palin will at least hear you out and you'll get to many of them.  At the very least if they still can't support you - they might not vote at all rather than pulling the lever for McCain, this may be just as important in a close election.

I know you'll do the right thing.

*******
Anyone that's read my posts know that I am and have been a die-hard Clinton supporter but I have made the decision to support Obama because I don't believe this nation can stand four more years of an Economy where families lose their homes/jobs and make routine decisions about whether to put gas in their car or feed their kids; or where they're gonna get the money to heat their homes.  I'm old enough to remember how a bad economy destroys lives and flows into every aspect of society and pits people against each other.

I believe he needs to speak directly to Hillary's supporters, if not - all he has left to change the momentum of this race is the hope of a McCain/Palin disaster in the debates. And that's too risky of a hope to make.

For those of you Obama supporters who have a knee-jerk reaction of attacking anything "Hillary" that pops up or saying "screw you" to any dem ready to turn to McPalin - you need to STOP if you want to WIN this election.  Show some empathy and consideration and let Barack do his thing to mend fences.  He doesn't need you working against him.

Tags: clinton, Hillary, obama, Speech (all tags)

Comments

79 Comments

You have any ideas as to

what he should say in such a speech than just saying he should give a speech?

by Blazers Edge 2008-09-11 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: You have any ideas as to

He'll know much better what to say than either you or I would.

Let's leave it to him, he'll do it right.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-09-11 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Should he call it the pretty please speech?

Obama and Team Obama threatened to not back Hillary if he lost.

So he will lose.

Its pretty much that simple.

So sorry many of you didn't know that is how it works.

But that is ALWAYS how it has worked which is why you NEVER see a politician threaten like he did.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

So, for you there aren't words available which could be salve enough to have you vote for Obama/Biden or at the very least not vote for McCain/Palin?

by wasanyonehurt 2008-09-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Care to show me where he or his campaign said this -

Obama and Team Obama threatened to not back Hillary if he lost.

by jsfox 2008-09-11 06:16PM | 0 recs
by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

What is the full context of the question that Michelle Obama was responding to?
by Iago 2008-09-11 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Something about wanting to claw Bill Clintons eyes out.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

The question to Michelle was 'would you WORK for Hillary Clinton's election'.  do you really expect her to say 'without question, I will do whatever necessary for my husband's opponent'.  this is just such ridiculous garbage to bring this up in answer to a serious question.

There were African Americans in the south, especially clyburn, who were very upset at Clinton's marginalizing Obama's campaign by his remarks - and putting him in the minority candidate box - so that Hillary could leave that one alone, and concentrate on her box.  That's politics - but many were upset about it.  Who are you to judge what some felt to be insults???  At least he told the Clintons what he felt - and if it sounds threatening, so be it.  He and many other delegates were very concerned that Obama would get the popular vote and it would be overturned by the superdelegates to keep in line with the Clinton democratic party.  The fact that all the candidates were high and low on this particular issue (do we want the popular vote to count,or can the delegates overturn that??  they changed their opinions on this depending on where that popular vote was) is just that - politics.

If Obama should win this election (and it is a BIG IF) and the vote tallies show that he did not get a large portion of Hillary voters, can we then say he didn't need her supporters?  

by mariannie 2008-09-11 08:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

do you really expect her to say 'without question, I will do whatever necessary for my husband's opponent'.

See that's the problem. They asked Sen. Clinton to but not expect the same from Sen Obama

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-15 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Impressively dishonest, sir, at least based on the second link.

by username 2008-09-12 01:45AM | 0 recs
Obama is very proud

He can win without the Clintons, he can win without their massive contingent of passionate scorned supporters, he can win without Florida and Ohio, and he can win without ever having to compromise his integrity by KOWTOWING to those bitter Clinton clingers who are just plain stooooopid.

That was snark.  

by BPK80 2008-09-11 06:14PM | 0 recs
don't agree.

if there was to be a speech - it should have come months ago.  to those hold outs it will appear insincere and opportunistic as well as make obama appear desperate which does not look good.  

not that i have a better suggestion, but i dont think this would be a wise move.

by canadian gal 2008-09-11 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: don't agree.

the "hold-outs" have accepted the nomination.  They now have the choice of supporting the Dem and Dem party principles, or the Repub, and Repub party principles.  As you indicate, no speech now to disaffected Hillary supporters will change their opinion.

by ChitownDenny 2008-09-11 07:01PM | 0 recs
you got it.

and truth be known - i have found the attitude towards the clintons (and by extension HRC's supporters) quite strange from june until just before the convention. i suspect the damage was done (for some) during the primaries, but to many i would imagine it was in that time where ill-will were left to stew and solidify.

by canadian gal 2008-09-11 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: you got it.

Canadian Gal,

How much damage do you feel that the Unity, NH photo op did to relations between Sen Clinton and Sen Obama's camp? Especially since they had to miss a FISA vote to do so?  I think that it gave false hope and set up Sen. Clinton's supporters by letting Sen. Clinton's camp think that there would be a Unity Ticket after all. Regardless of who was the nominee.

Plus, the "my way or the highway" attitude by SOME of Sen. Obama's supportes to Sen.Clinton's supporters  here in the Internet sure didn't help.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: you got it.

i dont think the photo you mentioned had any effect per se.  and i would like to point out that i didnt want her on the ticket.  but - what i think did do damage amongst other things, was the fact that HRC was not vetted and was heavily exploited as a media ploy to garner freakish suspense about the VP pick only to 1 hour before it 'leaked' let it be known that she was not the choice.  this - in my opinion - was a boneheaded mistake.

and this 'my way or the highway' is indicative of the obama campaign.  but they are entitled to it since he won the nomination after all. that said, they must also accept that this does not sit well with many as well.

by canadian gal 2008-09-11 07:30PM | 0 recs
Wow...

One CG post Mojoed by me, and another one almost... I'm sort of teetering on the edge over this one.)  

I agree that Obama should have telegraphed the message much earlier about the Hillary choice, although I'm not privy to the calculations that went into their decision to drag it out.  However, you are wrong in the sense that Hillary wasn't vetted because she couldn't be vetted.  Hillary did not want to be vetted (nor Bill) unless and until Obama told them he wanted them on the ticket.  Which sort of flips the whole idea of vetting a candidate at all.  Either the Clintons overplayed their hand by this, or they just really didn't want to be on the ticket.

I'm of the opinion that Hillary's chance to be veep died the day Lanny Davis started his rather bellicose Draft-Hillary petition.  That may have been the trigger for the rapid coarsening of the "we shoulda won" post-primary debate that consumed the summer.

by Dumbo 2008-09-11 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow...

Well Obama and his supporters are fine with their decision to forgo Hillary.

They have no moral right to any outrage as Hillary supporters choose to forgo Obama.

You are holding them to a higher moral standard than you hold yourselves.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 07:57PM | 0 recs
Ha... I have no outrage over that.

Don't you remember months ago when my sig line said "I don't give a shit whom you vote for."

I was an Edwards supporter, and I posted multiple times that if Hillary won the nomination, I wouldn't vote for her.  Maybe it was posturing on my part -- I don't know now -- but I meant it when I wrote it because I was angry at the Clintons.  

I've said it before: please, if you don't want to vote for Obama, just DON'T!  Just also please don't play blackmail games with us on the blog, because it's immature and it wastes our time.  You have the right to vote for whomever you want, and I support that right.  But I don't believe anybody who claims that they're not going to vote for Obama because there tender feelins weren't pandered to enough by either Obama or the users on this forum.  How undignified.

by Dumbo 2008-09-11 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Ha... I have no outrage over that.

well, I give a shit. Maybe you don't know kids in Iraq. this is not Hillary supporters, they were all polled months ago, this is indies and libertarians and undecideds.  

by anna shane 2008-09-11 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Ha... I have no outrage over that.

I am voting for Obama.

He is the worst candidate in my lifetime.

To not pick Hillary was mind blowingly selfish.

I will not stop talking about it.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Ha... I have no outrage over that.

Worse Democratic candidate.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow...

I find this deployment of 'morality' to be absurd and lacking any credibility.  I do not recognize your 'moral right' to determine the 'moral rights' of others.  However, I do wish you health, solace, and healing.

by Strummerson 2008-09-11 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: you got it.

Yes, many bridges were burned during the primary, permanently. Some at the point where the race card was being played against Ferraro and the Clintons, and for others later with the unabated sexism leveled at Hillary Clinton and left unopposed by the Democratic party, for some it was watching the traveling busloads of Obama people from Chicago and Gary voting all over the country in caucuses and primaries, and still others when delegates from MIchigan were stolen from Clinton and given outright to Obama at the RBC meeting (I was there in the room, booing). And finally for the most eternally optimistic of the Clinton supporters, it was when Hillary was passed over for VP. That is when the final holdouts revolted and bolted.

A speech from Obama at this point would be plain silly. Most of us stopped listening to anything he says, we turn the TV off and don't read any of it, we had enough of him a long, long time ago, he turns our stomach. That's the honest truth.

Of course, you don't need us. All us bitter, racist, uneducated voters don't even belong in your Obama nation.

I don't know any of my fellow Clinton supporters who ever listen to anything Obama says. We got so sick of the insults and abuse from the Obama campaign and Obama supporters we tuned out a long time ago. There is a permanent schism. Trust is a fragile thing, it takes a long time and much effort to establish between people, and can be destroyed so easily. Once it is gone, it is gone.

by 07rescue 2008-09-11 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

he should say the presidency is a partnership between the president and the Democratic legislators and Hillary is his valued partner. he should say he needs her in the Senate, to write legislation he can sign, to put her 'solutions' into law. he should say that now that the 'experiment' in mandates works, he's for mandates, cause he wants what works.  he should credit her for the investment in green energy idea. he should ask her to replay the speech she gave in New Orleans, on economic justice.  he should stop using the royal we and retire the funny name line and make it about us, not about who he is. Nancy should say something too, she did not help him when she said we should be grateful to him for running because he's god's gift. All of his most avid supporters should admit that he was one of several and he's our candidate, but hardly the only one fit to lead in these troubled times.  

by anna shane 2008-09-11 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Rep. Pelosi said "...he's god's gift..."

Wow. Really? Well heck that's gotta tick off a few folks. I can just hear it, "Well heck Mildred, if he's "...God's gife..." why don't we just make him president, skip the money, and skip expensive elections. After all those primary and General elections are expensive. Let's just save all concerned and make him (Sen.Obama) king.

Trust me there are some people here who would say this.

Anna shane where can I find this quote"

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

don't find it, she's such a disaster.  I mean, you can probably google it, but don't unless you can't help it.  Oh my dog, I am one depressed girl right now.  

by anna shane 2008-09-11 08:09PM | 0 recs
Heh.

he should say that now that the 'experiment' in mandates works, he's for mandates...

Because, really, after all, this is all about the mandates.  The future of the world rests on it.

by Dumbo 2008-09-11 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh.

the future of the world? I just want this guy to win.  

by anna shane 2008-09-11 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

I agree.  I think some would be brought back if it was a genuine speech, and he meant what he says, and finds a way to make amends and include them into his plans for a future.  It wasn't just Obama though, who insulted many of the people in the party, well over half of them.  It was the DNC, and people like Pelosi, Kerry, and the rest of them, calling for Hillary to get out of the race ignoring her huge number of votes and supporters and not standing behind her when the press and all the others were spouting sexist statements and trying to bring her down.  All of these people owe her and her supporters big time.  

by Scotch 2008-09-11 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Yepper Scotch. It got alot wild during the primaries.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:28PM | 0 recs
Why don't you set an example

by starting the round of amends to everybody -- Obama, his wife, us who supported him -- for all insults to the rest of us.  Please, show us how it is done.  If Pelosi, et. al., have to apologize now, why not you apologizing first, to everybody else, detail by detail, for every little thing that ticked them off?

Please don't.  I'm making a point.  This is so stupid.

by Dumbo 2008-09-11 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: If Hillary's Supporters

If HRC's reporters aren't on board yet, they won't be.

If they saw the Palin interview tonight and still support McSame-Failin then they are too stupid to get it.

ENOUGH!

Save your blackmail and hollow words.  With this country at stake here and now, they can watch it burn, pout or do something to change things.

Almost everyone else has moved on.  It's time for the rest to do the same.

by LtWorf 2008-09-11 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: If Hillary's Supporters

Lt Worf, The problem is that Sen.Clinton's have been hearing this same argument since January. There "intestinal fortitude has been strengthed by a length primary. And now low an behold they are not changing their minds.

Sounds like a good time to take a new path.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: If Hillary's Supporters

What I'm trying to say is that the primary wasn't about simple difference in policy. Many folks here at myDD said that there was little or no difference between Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama in policy. Then all the lead up to Sen. Obama's choice of vice president and those photos of Sen. Obama and Sen Clinton taken at the Unity, New Hampshire rally. The down right mean tone between some posters on the blogs.

All this really bad blood was over and above political debate. Strong emotions were involved.
It's not going away and  calling them dead enders sure isn't going to help.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: If Hillary's Supporters

AMEN.  well said.

by mariannie 2008-09-11 08:31PM | 0 recs
So you want him to beg now?

by Travis Stark 2008-09-11 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: So you want him to beg now?

the simple fact of the matter is that nobody is owed a vote from anyone. It is up to the nominee to make the sale to as many voters as he or she can. That is a politicians job after all. Making a national speech that focused on what can be seen as alienated voters among other things with a policy wonk with name recognition by his side is a bad thing how exactly? Bad enough to trigger your smarmy snarking smearing side about it?

by zerosumgame 2008-09-11 07:57PM | 0 recs
Yes, I would love to see him beg

Somebody wrote an article in the Washington Post today (either Howard Kurtz or Howard Fineman I think) that argued that all of Obama's critical missteps can be linked to one attribute: pride.

The positive effect of public displays of humility is something this candidate still doesn't understand.  McCain understands it. Biden understands it. Even Clinton understands it to an extent.  I don't know if Obama will ever be able to effectuate that and that may be his downfall.  Of course, his hard core supporters aren't a humble lot either (despite the fact that most of them have no basis for their arrogance), so maybe they'd all rather be proud losers together.

by lombard 2008-09-11 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, I would love to see him beg

I'd rather have honest pride than fake humility any day of the week.

by Travis Stark 2008-09-12 05:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Just waiting for the 2012 diaries......

by Iago 2008-09-11 07:28PM | 0 recs
he already has

unfortunately he wrongly assumes the remaining "Democratic" obama-haters care about issues instead of their hurt (by proxy of course) feelings and pride.

by JJE 2008-09-11 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: he already has

I care about the vice presidency

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: he already has

Dtaylor2,

Would you please tell me if you are male or female? It would help in my quest to find the correct person pronouns in my comments to your comments. Otherwise, I have to say "...he or she..." everytime. Just easier to ask you which is it.

Vice presidency?

Yes there is that issue of passing over a highly qualified candidate (who happens to be female) for a lesser qualified candidate.  

Yes. I said it.

Hopefully Sen. Clinton won't be the last female to run (although I am truly not holding my breath) I would think that it would be good to see how to prevent this from happening again.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: he already has

I am male.

Its beyond just passing over someone I may think is more qualified for one less qualified.

Its passing over half the party and not giving them the VP they wanted.

That is just bad form and then some.

Obama has no class.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: he already has

Sigh. Thank you for telling me your gender. The he/she thing was really getting old.

Did you know someone called you a PUMA. Then they said basically that all PUMAs were old,over the hill, female type femisnists who hated SenObama and worshiped all things Hillary.

Did you know that?

Anyway. I'm leaving for tonight. Going to go do something else.

I can appreciate what you are saying.

May I ask you what your solution will be?

I am interested. Will check my feedback later tonight or tomorrow.

Take care.

Consider that my responses to you have been supportive.
Also I think that you were correct about your analysis of Gov. Palin. Just can't chat about it tonight.

I have a blog about picking a woman for president'

I'd love to do follow up discussion on my blog because I moderate and can be pizzy too.

Good manners prevent on other folks blogs.

Take care.

12 dogs.

Not that it matters but I'm one of those old feminists. Not a PUMA. But old, feminist? Yeah I think so.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: he already has

"...unfortunately he wrongly assumes the remaining "Democratic" obama-haters care about issues instead of their hurt (by proxy of course) feelings and pride."

I just thought you might want to have another oportunity to read what you wrote. Seeing how you were talking about feelings and pride and not just the issues.

No offense but did you want to start a fuss or was it just an accidental poke in the ribs of Sen. Clinton supporters?

:P

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:42PM | 0 recs
not Clinton supporters

Obama-haters.  that's who was being poked.

by JJE 2008-09-11 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: not Clinton supporters

Didn't look that way from where I'm standing. It looked like the beginning of a ruckus. Doesn't take much to start one here.

Now you won't get a fight with me but I'm sure that someone would look at the comments and it wouldn't take too long before they were angry.

Hmmm.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 08:09PM | 0 recs
i said Obama-haters

Nothing about Clinton supporters.  I don't see why that would piss off anyone but Obama-haters.

by JJE 2008-09-11 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: i said Obama-haters

Hey I'm off to do other things JJE. As I said down thread, I pick my battles and this isn't a battle I'm going for tonight. Got other things to do with my time.

Now take care and hope you have a great evening.

Nitey night!!

12 dogs.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 08:32PM | 0 recs
good night!

Not sure why you're talking about battles though.  See my comment to dtaylor below - the only battle i'm interested in is a rap battle.

by JJE 2008-09-11 08:40PM | 0 recs
Let me see if I understand this.

McCain gets a bounce out of his convention... And it means that Obama has to make YET ANOTHER conciliatory speech to bitter ex-Hillary supporters now.  

Aren't we confusing two different events here?  Hillary conceded in early June.  Obama announced Biden as his running-mate two weeks ago.  But the RNC bounce is because of what happened during the primary season.

I raelize that we all see things through our own lenses, and that my lenses are different than yours, but shouldn't you have some concern that your lenses are not universal in this regard, and that people that switched to McCain after the RNC had other motives than getting even for Hillary losing last spring?  

Psychologists call this "projection."

I call this bullshit.

by Dumbo 2008-09-11 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me see if I understand this.

WAIT A SEC

WHO made a conciliatory speech at the DNC convention?

Hillary!

Bill!

Psychologists call this "projection."

I call this bullshit.

Did you even watch the DNC convention?

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me see if I understand this.

Yeppers dtaylor2, I watched the DNC. I've been watching the aftermath too. It was surreal to watch Sen. Clinton's speech. I'm with the woman who was interviewed on the floor of the convention. The one who said that Sen Clinton's speech looked presidential. And it did. Then to see Sen. Obama's speech over shaddowed the next day by Sen McCain's pick for vice president BECAUSE SHE WAS A WOMAN. And thinking,"That should have been Hillary."

Yepper, I saw it.

Do you think folks could just act like they're at their parents house for Thanksgiving (shudder it's not that long from now). Imagine that your Uncle will be there. The one who very much supported a candidate other than your choice. Imagine that your mom strenously suggested that you bite your tongue so that you all could get through the meal in peace.

Her words to you?
Grow up Sheldon and let's just get through this like adults.

You know.

All this anger still here. Not helping.

I have watched dtaylor2 treated badly on the boards AFTER (s)he wrote in support for Sen. Obama. I heard  folks call her (him) a Republican troll. It's a wonder (s)he didn't throw a hissy.

That's just not good.
Welcomes don't come with virtual black eyes.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Ah yes

LOL No nrafter 530,

But this is the part where I take my leave. I don't have any interest in a bruhaha tonight. Ya'll can fight if you want. Me? I pick my fights and this ain't it.

I've talked to dtaylor2 and he/she has been nice and answered my questions without name calling.

So I'm going to do for dtaylor2 what I'll do for you too nrafter530. Until you give me a real reason to be pizzed at you?

Hugs and I'll see ya'll some other time.

Take care ya'll.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 08:29PM | 0 recs
Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

in May and June, and I'm thinking in particular of the one he made the night that he went over the top in delegates.  My Clinton-supporting mother hated Obama up until then, but she noted her satisfaction with the kindness of his comments about Hillary.

If I could find a transcript, I'd paste some of it at you.  

The man has reached out.  He didn't reach out enough for some people, and at some point we have to realize that these are people that can't be reached at all.  To waste the last fifty days of the campaign trying to reach out to them rather than to solidify the support he has and to chip away at McCain would be a tragic mistake.

by Dumbo 2008-09-11 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

Obama didn't pick Hillary for VP

That and that alone cost him the election.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

You know dtaylor. One would think that this is also the beginning of a ruckus. One of those non productive "knock down drag out kind of ruckus" that we've both seen here.

Just saying.

Now I'm sorry to have to ask you but are you male or female. I need to know. My English teacher would be unhappy to see my use of "(s)he"  instead of using  "she or he". And using "she or he" while it is correct is unhandy.

Thanks.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-09-11 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

Male.

I am intentionally making a ruckus.

Its important that every Obama supporter grasp the true depth of feeling.

Its important that they understand the willingness to be acting counter to the success of the party this cycle.

What happened this cycle was planned the candidate with lesser qualification both in terms of votes and ability won.

It will happen again if the same people think they can get away with it.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 08:26PM | 0 recs
If you want beef then bring the ruckus

crazy blog spam ain't nuthin' ta fuck with!

by JJE 2008-09-11 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

I don't like it much, but I must agree completely that Obama did lose the election not picking Clinton. All that is left is to watch it unfold.

I don't see why after running such a slick campaign, he made such a stupid move.

by RDemocrat 2008-09-11 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

PRIDE goeth before a fall.....

by dtaylor2 2008-09-12 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama made multiple conciliatory speeches

A Fall appears to be exactly what is coming . . .

Obama is will lose Ohio if most recent polls are correct and thus the Presidency.  He has made no effort in the Hillary areas where he has done abysmally sticking his team in Cleve/Cinc big cities. . . this shows me that he doesn't care about reaching out them and will very well pay the price.

Unfortunately his weakness and short-to-non-existent coattails could very well cost us congressional majorities too. . . sucks

by wasanyonehurt 2008-09-12 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm sorry

The vice presidency.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not getting it

We HAVE moved on. You just don't like where we have "moved on" to.

by 07rescue 2008-09-11 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not getting it

Haha like Redstate?  As long as you're complaining about the liberal media and you don't mind hearing them constantly belittle the Clintons, they love you there 07rescue!  Your diary there, and the subsequent comments you received, were absolutely adorable.

In all seriousness, your logic escapes me.  "I'm so furious about Hillary's treatment by the Democratic party that I'm going to associate with the people who think she had Vince Foster killed!  So there!"

Some people are into that kind of thing.  Knock yourself out.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-11 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: You're not getting it

And then lecture on pride? Those who will throw away all of their principles to nurse their wounded pride never had any principles to begin with.

by Travis Stark 2008-09-12 05:57AM | 0 recs
Stop it already

Every poll out there is showing a deadheat at this point, and that McCain is starting to retreat from his convention bounce. In no manner is this a game changing surge.

So why don't you stop trying to irritate people by bringing back the primary. Damn it already it's over. Stop using it in an attempt to chip away at the unity that this party has worked so hard to achieve.

There are 53 days left till election day. Stop wasting our time with nonsense. Stop trying to make the ridiculous PUMA's into some formibable obstacle. Sure there are still a few PUMA's left, but in the words of Frank Sinatra--"Much to few to mention."

by pollbuster 2008-09-11 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it already

Worked hard to achieve?

Worked doing what?

Surely not reaching across and picking the most qualified VP candidate...

Worked selling a bill of goods you mean.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-11 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop it already

Why don't you just stroll away? You've been making the same nasty comments for a long time now. They are boring. You are boring.

by pollbuster 2008-09-11 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters
I'm resigned to dems never getting an election right. Republicans get in line once their candidate comes out of the primary. But its full on general election time and we're still arguing about the primaries. Dems deserve being controlled by repubs.
 
by kbal 2008-09-11 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

Be careful, alot of these people attempting to foment disunity are just repug trolls.

by pollbuster 2008-09-11 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

I have no doubt about that but many actally dems have taken the bait and fein hillary and joined the ungoly alliance.

by kbal 2008-09-11 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Make THE Speech to Hillary Supporters

unholy alliance

by kbal 2008-09-11 10:17PM | 0 recs
It's important to get the terminology right.

Those who do not support Barack Obama and plan not to vote for him are not Hillary supporters. They are McCain supporters. They may have formerly been Clinton supporters, but they are no longer. So they may be called PUMA if they like, or ex-Clinton supporters, or McCain supporters, all of which are synonymous, but the one thing they aren't are Hillary Clinton supporters.

by Travis Stark 2008-09-12 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: It's important to get the terminology right.

They would beg to differ with you, they still call themselves Hillary supporters (regardless of Hillary's plea to them) and most were loyal democrats supporting luckless dems like Walter Mondale before many Obama supporters were born.

Don't kid yourself, this will be a close vote and poll after poll says up to 25% of Hillary supporters will not vote or will go McPalin that equates to 4.5 million voters - which is surely enough to cost us this election.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-09-12 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: It's important to get the terminology right.

Each voter needs to carefully and responsibly examine the candidates and decide who to vote for. Implicit in that process is the requirement for one to look at which candidate will provide the better result for the larger society, and beyond one's personal feelings.

This is the election that decides if the grown ups get to be in charge, and it will be the grown ups who decide.

by QTG 2008-09-12 02:39PM | 0 recs

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