Choice of Words: Candidates and Framing

Okay, I just finished a 14 hour flight from Manila to Las Vegas, sitting in a middle seat in the middle row of an Airbus 340.  I've had a lot of time to think.  When I cam here and read the new comments I learned a few things:

1) Vox Populi is a douche who unfairly brings up Obama's implicit support for the Iraq War.

2) Edwards and his supporters are racists who want to bring back the poll tax.

3) Many Obama supporters don't understand how a candidate can say one thing and it means something else.

Time and time again, we read that Barack Obama didn't say Democrats want to play chicken with the troops.  On face value, those claims are true.  He did not say Democrats want to play chicken.

He said that the Democrats will send a bill to the president without the withdrawal in it because the President would continue to veto them.  He followed that up with "Nobody wants to play chicken with our troops." "Nobody" includes Democrats.  Democrats continuing to send a bill without withdrawal are then "playing chicken" with the troops.  How is that difficult to infer?

Rather than clear it up, as I posted in my most recent diary, Obama grounded his opposition to de-funding with the idea that it would endanger the troops, that they would not have the equipment to keep them safe.  He said that, knowing that many Democratic lawmakers intend to support defunding bills when the President vetoes the supplemental.  The inference is, those Democrats are witholding needed equipment from our soldiers.

It didn't take long for the Republicans to use Obama's comments against the Democrats, and against opposition to the war.  Do I believe Obama is pro-war?  Please.  He was against it from the start, and I've said time and again he gets credit for that.  But his actions, voting over and over again to continue funding, are to me a type of reauthorization.  Every time a Senator or Representative votes for funding, they reauthorize the war.

If these are "smears," then call me a smear merchant.  If these are valid criticisms, if you can look beyond the simple words he says and look at what those words imply, then you might have an understanding of my intent.  Framing is every bit as important as belief.  I don't care if you're the most anti-war person at heart, if you can't express yourself without damaging the Democratic brand, you need to be quiet.

Tags: Barack Obama, Framing, Language (all tags)



Obama has been hurting

the antiwar movement for a while now with bad votes and worse framing.  

by littafi 2007-04-13 09:05PM | 0 recs
no thats not it..

edwards supporters here are displaying a sort of frantic quality as their candidate now slips again in the polls and can't seem to get beyond third place

obama has the only record of all candidates that consistently opposed iraq war

by heyAnita 2007-04-14 01:17AM | 0 recs
Re: no thats not it..

Actually nearly all the polls show Obama is the one who has slipped by 5-7% while Edwards has increased about 4-6%.

What does opposing the war mean to you?  How can you oppose the war but continue to fund it?  That is the one question Obama supporters never answer.

by Vox Populi 2007-04-14 01:50AM | 0 recs
Re: no thats not it..

It's simple. It involves dealing with reality.

Obama opposed the war that both Hillary and Edwards voted for, but guess what? America didn't listen. We're there. So now the question becomes what's the best course for America from here?

To yank the troops out too suddenly would be a mistake of nearly equal proportions as the original invasion was. Obama was smart enough to know the war was a mistake before it even started, and he's smart enough to know that a too precipitous pull-out would also be a mistake.

It's not a good idea to follow one very stupid mistake with another very stupid mistake.

by Mystylplx 2007-04-14 09:44AM | 0 recs
By voting to fund it

every chance he gets?

by okamichan13 2007-04-14 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Choice of Words: Candidates and Framing

why does Obama need to invoke god when talking about Imus as he did in Iowa...

by TarHeel 2007-04-14 04:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Choice of Words: Candidates and Framing

Isn't that what Edwards referred to when he said "I'm a believer in redemption"?  Edwards uses God on the campaign trail too.

by Vox Populi 2007-04-14 04:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Choice of Words: Candidates and Framing

I don't understand the criticism here. I don't like it when he implies that some Democrats are anti-Christian, but I have no problem with someone referring to God.

by clarkent 2007-04-14 04:29AM | 0 recs


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