Michelle Obama: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

(Hat tip to Darksydor of Daily Kos for this story)


Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for Barack Obama, this:

"I want to rip his eyes out!" she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. "Kidding!" Obama said. "See, this is what gets me into trouble."

Michelle jokes about blinding Bill Clinton

We have a potty-mouthed adviser forced to resign after calling Hillary Clinton a 'monster,' another adviser stating her candidate isn't ready to take a 3 AM call, a campaign staffer calling in to interrupt a Clinton conference call, and now this.

A would-be president's wife saying she wants to 'rip' the eyes out of a 2-term President of the United States.

Uh, what's next, exactly? Someone calling Chelsea a 'ho?

Oh, wait, David Shuster already did that.

When Barack Obama fails to win the 2008 presidential nomination, he will look back on this past week as some kind of surreal, Freddy-infested nightmare.

This is when the race was lost.

And what's he supposed to do? Fire Michelle?

I almost feel sorry for Barack now.

That said, we need an IMMEDIATE apology for this remark. I don't care if it was said in jest. This isn't "MAD TV Runs for President;" have some damn respect, please. This series of Team Obama gaffes and missteps is rapidly crossing the line from political disaster to out-and-out embarrassment.

Tags: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama (all tags)



Re: Michelle O

Huh? Wha? Link?

by Steve M 2008-03-07 12:42PM | 0 recs
Michelle in the New Yorker

"I want to rip his eyes out!", kidding on the square?

by souvarine 2008-03-07 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

Sounds like she was quite obviously clowning to me.  I'm no fan of Michelle Obama, but I greet this story with a tremendous shrug.

I like to think Bill would probably laugh.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

What would you and the press think if Bill said something like this.  Oh! Thats right we know what the press would say look what they did with the Fairy Tale comment.  They ran with that along with several other things Bill and Hillary said in South Carolina that we all know wasn't near what they meant.

by bradydundee 2008-03-07 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

If Bill said what?  That he wants to rip his own eyes out?

This joke wouldn't work for a man, any more than Barack Obama would have said "the claws come out" if he weren't running against a woman.

So I'm not sure how you would invert this particular incident.  Look, it's just my opinion, but it strikes me as a complete non-story.  Maybe I'm wrong and it will be in all the papers tomorrow.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

It would sound pretty unpresidential if Hillary said it.

The spouse is allowed to have more personality.  Hey, I don't make the rules, I just interpret them.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 01:55PM | 0 recs
why are you being dense on purpose?

Come on you know they didn't mean if Bill had said this about himself.  You seem to be using less logic and honesty in your arguments lately.

by diplomatic 2008-03-08 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

I agree, the comment doesn't work the other way and not necessarily because Michelle is a woman and Bill isn't. Everyone except Michelle Obama in this race, has to be held to a higher standard, fair or not. The other two are POTUS candidates and Bill is an x-POTUS. That gives Michelle a lot of leeway to say some silly things that aren't news-worthy ... this included, just as having an x-POTUS as a spouse gives other advantages.

by BeekerDynasty 2008-03-08 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

First Ladies don't joke about clawing out the eyes of a former president of either party - much less their own. This is grossly inappropriate rhetoric for her, though not surprising considering what a generally uncouth campaign they have run.

by Little Otter 2008-03-08 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

You don't know what first lady do ,are you one? Or a horse of a diffent color. There's something to be said for someone who raises 50 millon dollars. Oh,but i guess your first lady did. Don't throw stones.

by miss oct 2008-03-08 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

I agree, Steve.

I wish the two candidates would argue about universal heath care or plans to get out of Iraq.  

It sounds to me as if Michelle Obama was teasing.  Bill Clinton can handle it.

by TomP 2008-03-08 11:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle in the New Yorker

Of course she is teasing.  She only gives the Americans this one chance to vote for her husband.  If you miss it, you will lose the opportunity forever! (Let's see if she'd really keep her words if her husband does lose.)

by observer11 2008-03-08 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle is being taken out of context

It's not that Obama doesn't know the anodyne, wifely things to say (essentially, nothing). She is, after all, a "community and external affairs" professional. But her pride visibly chafes at being asked to subsume her personality, to make herself seem duller and less independent than she is, even in the service of getting her husband elected President of the United States. In Wisconsin, I asked her if she was offended by Bill Clinton's use of the phrase "fairy tale" to describe her husband's characterization of his position on the Iraq War. At first, Obama responded with a curt "No." But, after a few seconds, she affected a funny voice. "I want to rip his eyes out!" she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. "Kidding!" Obama said. "See, this is what gets me into trouble."

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-08 02:03PM | 0 recs


by amiches 2008-03-07 12:44PM | 0 recs


by Lazeriath 2008-03-07 02:08PM | 0 recs
This coming from someone who was OUTRAGED ABOUT "NIG" OMG!

*rolls eyes* Spare us.

by sricki 2008-03-07 03:45PM | 0 recs

Good point.  Those who can't take the heat should stay outta the kitchen.

by Montague 2008-03-08 03:00AM | 0 recs
Oh Please

An apology for what? Are you serious? This is pathetic.....

by AHunch 2008-03-07 12:46PM | 0 recs
by americanincanada 2008-03-07 12:51PM | 0 recs
You guys are sad

This is what passes for a Rec'ed diary here?

|"In Wisconsin, I asked her if she was offended by Bill Clinton's use of the phrase "fairy tale" to describe her husband's characterization of his position on the Iraq War. At first, Obama responded with a curt "No." But, after a few seconds, she affected a funny voice. "I want to rip his eyes out!" she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. "Kidding!" Obama said. "See, this is what gets me into trouble.""|

by Dave Dial 2008-03-07 04:37PM | 0 recs
So, pointing out

that Progressives and Democrats are tired of Clinton aiding the enemy is the same as posting a diary and taking a candidates spouses' quote out of context?

And then have it make the rec list?

Come on....

And hey, it was the first time I made the rec list in all my time at DK, and it went to #1. So I'm not complaining.

by Dave Dial 2008-03-07 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: So, pointing out

Ha! Well, I think you know that Michelle was using her dry wit and deadpan humor, to deal with a touchy subject.

Ill advised choice of words? Maybe.

In any case, thanks for the kind words.  


Let's hope that we don't have to look at a President McBush for the next 4 years. Something that I think we can agree on. heh-heh

by Dave Dial 2008-03-08 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: You guys are sad

Obviously Obama and his supporters are not ready for prime time! You think it is OK for future first lady to say that in public?? If either Bill or Hillary said that about Obamas you would have been so outraged!!

by indydem99 2008-03-08 03:13AM | 0 recs
Re: You guys are sad

Well, I appreciate dry wit and deadpan humor. It shows that someone if comfortable with themselves.

Maybe the words were ill advised, but anyone that makes a big deal about it is being inetellectualy dishonest.

by Dave Dial 2008-03-08 03:39AM | 0 recs
Re: You guys are sad

There's nothing funny, witty or deadpan about the comment - it's simply stupid. Just as if I said your diary over at Kos made me want to rip your eyes out. Do you think I'd be greeted with bunch of LOLs if I posted that? Should I try it and see what happens?

This is the Ann Coulter defense - make ugly, gross, unprofessional remarks and then attribute them to humor. In order for it to be humor, it has to be funny. There is nothing funny about what she said unless you find physical violence humorous.

What this is, is Michelle expressing in the most uncouth way imaginable is her discomfort about the Clintons. But look at Hillary's rhetoric about Obama personally - it's always incredibly gracious. That's the difference between the two camps - there's just fundamental diffference in the level of couth, professionalism and maturity.

This is why Michelle is not a suitable First Lady. She engaged in dumbass, witless bulletin board rhetoric as the proposed First Lady of the US. I never thought we'd have a Democratic candidate whose spouse made Nancy Reagan looked postiively civilized (no small task), but I have to admit that even NR is gracious compared to the pigsty utterings of Michelle Obama.

If you find this remark of hers funny,  I think you ought to consider joining the GOP. By those standards, you'll find them a real laugh riot.

It's only a big deal because she is Obama's wife and she holding herself out as a superior candidate for First Lady. I'm sorry, this simply isn't how First Ladies talk.

by Little Otter 2008-03-08 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: You guys are sad
She is talking to the New yorker magazine not to a
close friend. She needs to have better judgement.
by indydem99 2008-03-08 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

This is what happens when there is no real narrative driving a campaign; the supporters lurch from one 'outrage' to the next, demanding apologies, acting all huffy and hurt all the time.  

Not cool and not inspiring to anyone.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

No, it isn't uncool at all.  What's uncool is pretending that comments such as this make any sort of difference to anyone about anything.

All they represent is a way for YOU to try and get mileage out of acting like the Clintons are some sort of victim.  Hillary and Bill aren't victims of anyone.  And your faux-outrage attitude is pretty pathetic.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

No, the point is it's immaterial.  It doesn't hurt anyone.  Nobody needs to apologize to anyone for anything like this.  It's childish to demand an apology, like you did in your post.

Perhaps if there were some sort of larger message, that you could focus on, that inspired people, you wouldn't spend your time looking for comments like this in order to prove that your opponents are such bad folk... it would be more productive and better received.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Yeah, I can understand that staying positive and finding such a message is difficult for your side; when attacking fuels that inner fire so much better.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

The comments themselves are immaterial; do they affect that former prez. or the Senator in any material way?  Do they change the campaign in any material way?  

Of course not.  They are a diversion from the campaign.  An offhand comment reflecting someone's anger at the tactics used against their mate.  Not something worth getting one's panties in a bunch over.  Wouldn't you agree?

Whatever happened to 'sticks and stones?'  You would better serve your candidate by staying positive, then diving around in the muck constantly, searching for something to smear Obama with.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

It's really super cute when the most vile and hateful Obama supporters on this site decide to put on the pious act.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Well said! Crisp, to the point characterization!

by Sandeep 2008-03-07 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

It's even cuter when Hillary supporters ad-hom and character bash but complain, whine, and bitch when it gets turned around on them

by amiches 2008-03-08 06:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

You would honestly describe me as vile and hateful?

Can you link to any comment I've made which you would consider to be vile and hateful?

Jeez, you guys are out in left field.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-08 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

  She must be feeling DOWN. poor thing

by gunner 2008-03-07 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

It isn't a question of outrage, Cyc., so much as it is an observation about attitude and maturity.  'Hate to tell you, but attitude counts amongst the voters.  It might be wise to look at the collection of M. Obama comments in the context of how they may well add up to the average voter or voter who does not have a stake in protecting their already-chosen candidate.  Gaffe-prone, goofy comments do add up.  Why? Because, ultimately, the quotes do a line drawing of the speaker at odds with the studied and chosen persona.  From my vantage point: Michelle Obama is starting to look like someone with a "chip on her shoulder."  That might be an unfair characterization, but it can be hard to shake.

by christinep 2008-03-07 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:
Not an unfair at all.
by sricki 2008-03-07 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Not an unfair characterization at all. Just completing Sricki's statement:-) and agreeing to what you said. She does seem to harbor some ill-feelings if her wishes are not fulfilled. In fact, she seems to feel entitled for being in White House. Come on, work hard for it. Getting a salary increase from 70K to 300K is easy because of hubby's influence.

by Sandeep 2008-03-07 05:15PM | 0 recs
I suppose you feel the same way

about our current 2 term president?

by Moonwood 2008-03-07 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I suppose you feel the same way

You weren't there when she said and neither was I. Without getting tone, inflection and any number of other physical indicators there is no way of knowing how this should be taken.

Was it a gaffe? For sure. But the outrage is kind of over the top without knowing all of the circumstances.

by JDF 2008-03-07 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

This is not the first time she has been negative against the Clinton's. I'm surprised people haven't picked up on this more. Obama has done a much better job with subtlety than Michelle, however.

by Dari 2008-03-07 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Wow, do Obama supporters listen to themselves? Lurch from one outrage to the next? Ever visit DailyObama?

by souvarine 2008-03-07 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

No actually I do not... because as bad as this site is in terms of being completely unintellectual that site IS even worse. I am choosing the (slightly) lesser of two evils...kind of like most presidential elections.

by JDF 2008-03-07 09:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Yeah! They lurch from one outrage to the next, so we can too!

That's really just dodging the point. It isn't good when either BHO or HRC supporters do it. So instead of pointing fingers at DKos, maybe we should take the higher ground.

by shef 2008-03-07 09:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Whereas if you do have a real narrative, like "Hillary and Bill Clinton are racists," then you can lurch from one accusation of racism to another!  MUCH more inspiring.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Well, they aren't afraid of using racist tactics, that's for sure.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

You are talking about the BHOs right

by indus 2008-03-07 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Would it be equally uncool to say it about Bush in  10 months?

by benmasel 2008-03-07 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O: "I want

Me too can you paste in a link?


by giusd 2008-03-07 12:52PM | 0 recs


Apparently you do not mind all the smears from the Clinton campaign but a joke gets you going.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-07 12:53PM | 0 recs

Universal, you're going to need a link to prove that this is true.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-07 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/ 03/10/080310fa_fact_collins/?currentPage =2

In the first paragraph.

by bdog 2008-03-07 12:53PM | 0 recs
by bdog 2008-03-07 12:54PM | 0 recs
"I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

How many times do you think Hillary has said the same thing?  

by highgrade 2008-03-07 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Har har. Misogynist ass.

by souvarine 2008-03-07 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

First, ridiculous outrage over what was clearly a joke and now playing the "misogynist" card. You guys are embarrassing yourselves.

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Do you understand what a "joke" is?

Get you panties untwisted and find something more substantive to complain about.

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:37PM | 0 recs
Oh, gee...

Now, I'll be called a "misogynist" by the PC police.

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, gee...

Figures you'd be a dittohead.

Yes, some statements display disdain for women. Call the observation politically correct if you like, but people reveal themselves in their words. Highgrade's remark had the added attribute of being particularly tasteless.

by souvarine 2008-03-07 02:21PM | 0 recs
Ding, ding, ding!
And, the winner for Politically Correct stupidity is ...

You must have a tough non-life if you think that
(1) I'm a ditto head from my few postings on here and the fact that I'm not a Hillary-bot; and,
(2) That phrase has any "misogynistic" or "disdainful" implications for women.

But, I knew that I'd get a winner-- someone so intellectually bankrupt that you can only play the victimization card.

And, you're it! Congratulations!
by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Why won't HRC supporters acknowledge that their misogynists-under-every-rock mentality is sometimes a search for a proxy victimizer because they can't acknowledge the true misogynist, the true victimizer of HRC (and other women.)

I'll give you a hint, he is not BHO, who has been and is surrounded by women whom he has always shown love and respect.

It's reasonable to have sympathy for HRC, but that doesn't make her a good president, and it isn't a reason to attack BHO.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

I'm having a hard time parsing this. Do you intend to defend highgrade's post? Or are you just distracting with a series of non-sequiturs and veiled attacks on Bill Clinton?

If you have a problem with Bill Clinton, then why don't you just say so? If you think he is a misogynist victimizer then why don't you say it, and then find some Republican blog that will be more receptive to your BS.

by souvarine 2008-03-07 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Your proving my point.

A refusal to place blame where it belongs.  

I'm saying that it's important to be honest about the facts.  If the facts don't align with our perceptions, then it's time to evaluate the situation.

The hatred and misogynist labeling of BHO is not rational.  His entire life is marked by his love and respect of the women and daughters in his life.  There is no indication that he is a misogynist, only the opposite is in evidence.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Who said Obama is a misogynist? At best he is an opportunistic politician using anything he can to win. He's no more misogynist than either Clinton is racist.

My post was in response to highgrade, it didn't even mention Obama.

by souvarine 2008-03-07 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

I think it's clear that Democrats have had a heavy burden because practical necessity has required turning a blind eye to the darker side of the 42nd president.

Now with that drama front and center again, the blind eye is turning away from the true victimizer as it seeks proxy misogynists.  As a result highgrade, BHO and others easily illicit the misogynist label, while the much greater victimizer continues to go without voiced blame.

I'm asking all Democrats to consider this effect when deciding who they support.  We shouldn't support HRC or oppose BHO because of our internal balancing where HRC's personal hardships are a motivator for supporting her, or opposing BHO.

Both HRC and BHO are similar on the issues.  But, BHO has been a a more effective legislator.  And, he's demonstrated a better capacity for using core principles to guide judgment rather than relying on micro-targeting and political calculus.

HRC is undeniably a very hard worker, and she is a task doer.  But, BHO is a leader.  He has known his voice for decades, and he is prepared to draw from his fully developed core beliefs to make tough decisions on day one.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Barf.  This is the kind of twaddle about Barack Obama, the Annointed One, that makes me send even more money to Hillary so she can defeat him.

Obama has less substance than cotton candy.   Hope.  Change.  Yada yada.  He gives an inspirational speech.  He makes people feel good.  He's the Democratic version of George Bush, with a dose of Jimmy Carter and George McGovern thrown in.

by InigoMontoya 2008-03-07 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

That's all I was looking for.

Nothing is more pleasing than seeing HRC supporters resort to the Kool Aid, cult, messiah, etc defense.


by 1jpb 2008-03-08 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

How about responding to what was said?

We all know the talking points that are handed out by the Clinton campaign, no need to repeat them here. They are pure rhetoric and the substance behind them has not been shown yet if there is any.

by marcotom 2008-03-08 05:08AM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Since you asked for a response to what 1pjb said, I have shared it. Hope that satisfies you.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"


You have already covered all other names in another post so I will just call you one of the biggest hypocrites (since you missed that out).

You didnt start with love for BHO, you started with hatred for Clinton. That has been your driving factor which led to you looking for excuses to justify BHO's one or two activities as effective legislator. Effectiveness is measured by consistency over the years.

So lets see some examples over the years:

a) Exelon, very effective (for filling his pockets) and ignoring peoples desires.
b) Michelle getting a raise from 70K to 300K: Very effective for other people whose husbands cant pull the lever. There are many of us who have graudated from Harvard and we know who is worth what. If she was getting 70K, she was worth that based on her capability and contribution at work. And the excuse, oh we took less paying jobs to help poor (look we are Messiahs), that excuses flies away the moment you accept an increase to 300K in one year when most people are complaining how hospitals are squeezing money out of common people.

I think these 2 points are enough. Try justifying these two and if you need more, i can present Iraq and Rezko in a way which you cant refute without proving yourself a hypocrite.

You, my friend, live in a double-standard world. Only problem is it is self-created by you. Hence, you are blind and prone to cult following.

Dont be such a hypocrite! It is not good for America.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: "I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

You're funny.  Many months back I was assuming I'd be for HRC.  At the time I wasn't closely following anything.  But, when I started paying attention I became a big fan of BHO.  Since then, the more I learn about HRC, the more I'm certain she shouldn't be the president.

I can't tell if you get your info from right wing attack sites or the hillaryhub.  Either way, you're wrong.

1) This charge gets two Pinocchios from the WaPo Fact Checker.  This means that you and the HRC campaign are being dishonest.  Can you say backfire.  And, isn't it interesting that HRC only praised and signed on after the bill was "watered down."
2) There's nothing here.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/200 6/09/hospital_offici.html
3) There's nothing with Rezko.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/200802 18/pl_bloomberg/ar8nlioqedc4
4) I'm not sure where you're going with Iraq, but here is a guess:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ statements/284/

What else have you got "my friend."  Are you taking on McCain's actual language now?

by 1jpb 2008-03-08 10:36AM | 0 recs
I don't want her to apologize. Keep talking!

She's the gift that keeps giving.  The last thing Obama opponents should want is for her to be silenced.

by lombard 2008-03-07 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't want her to apologize. Keep talking!

She kinda gives to Republicans, though.  She seems to be a hit in the Dem primary.  My dad, a Clinton supporter, loved her on 60 Minutes.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't want her to apologize. Keep talking!

I like her too, until she says snarky things about the Clintons. :-)  Don't doubt that she isn't going to get the Hillary treatment if she is first lady. Maybe then she won't be so quick to judge.

by Dari 2008-03-07 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O: "I want to rip (Bill's)

This is pathetic...

Article says put on a funny voice and concludes with her saying "kidding."  You are being intentionally intellectually dishonest, if you are cool with that, awesome.

by labor nrrd 2008-03-07 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O: "I want to rip (Bill's)

I read this article earlier this week and wasn't surprised by her comemnts. It's pretty clear she isn't terribly fond of the Clintons. This isn't the first time she's expressed her distaste for them. Remember her comment when asked if she would back Clinton if she were the nominee and her first response was one of hesitation -  or something like that?

I guesss that's why I don't understand why everyone is taking it all so personally. The Obama's marginalize the Clinton's and now Hillary is marginalizing Obama. I hardly think either of them has taken the high ground. I don't like it, but for either side to pretend like they're victims is kinda melodramatic.

by Dari 2008-03-07 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O

Really you want me to beleive that this was a joke.  Maybe to Rush and his crowd but dems to not make a joke about clawing out the eyes of a two term president??

Lets play what if Bill Clinton said i would like to claw BO eyes out.  dkos goes nuts.  100 threads on this.  Then Drudge posts Hillary told Bill to say this.  One fing week of David Alexrod calling HRC the worse perosn since satan.  Please give me a break. She is only saying in public want she and that whole crowd say in private.

Did you hear that HRC personally darken the BO clip.  She did it on her labtop with photoshop and when no one was looking replaced it with the real one.


by giusd 2008-03-07 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O

OK, I'll type slowly and maybe you can understand.

Mrs. Obama was satirizing the underlying implication of the question. She does everything possible (except add 3 Stooges sound effects) to convey that she doesn't take the Clinton campaign's negative campaigning and personal attacks as worthy of personal pique.

But, apparently Clintonistas are all pissed that the coronation has been squashed. Tough life, guys.

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O

Not to mention Bill still hasn't apologized for the "kid." comment.  In that case he was not at all joking.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O

He will always be a kid for Bill. I know you are run by hatred for Bill.

Hope=hatred  for some people.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O

I didnt see you typing slow. Can you send the video to prove it? Till them dont claim you were typing slow.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O


by Sandeep 2008-03-08 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O

I don't want to believe it was a joke, I wasn't there.  Neither were you, neither of us could get a  sense of the context, tone, you know what was being said.  The reporter was there, and reporter that it was said in joking tone and that it was immediately followed by her saying "joking"

I would like to know why you believe that she was literally saying she wanted to rip his eyes out.  Maybe because the poster put in bold, I don't know.

by labor nrrd 2008-03-07 02:46PM | 0 recs
Not good.

This is not a good sign for the Obama Campaign. It seems like there is trouble inside it.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-07 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Not good.

The article says this happened in Wisconsin.  I assume the article is new, but the anecdote probably dates back to last month.

by Steve M 2008-03-07 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Not good.

Hey, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumber, I wouldn't be too sure that wishful thinking will cure delegate math.

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Not good.

It was not very kindly of you to call me Tweetey Dee. Comments like those are unfitting for the dignity due of someone like you.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-07 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Not good.

This is not trouble compared to Ickes and Penn having an FU back and forth argument.

The trouble is in the HRC campaign, try as you may to deny it.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:


So this is now the second person from the BO campaign making a very personaly, insulting, and demeaning attack on the Clintons in the last week.  Lets be truthful they say this kind of shit all the time about the Clintons and what we are seeing is as he campaign heats up as do everyone's emotions they are (BO campaign) being less careful and we are hearing what they say all the time.  

They think (BO and his inner group) think this is some kind of transforming campaign that will change the world.  BO is some transforming figure.  Well after last Tuesday we can all agree BO is a democratic senator running for pres.  Just like HRC.


by giusd 2008-03-07 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Wow. You really are obsessed.

Before your slam the Obama campaign for "personally, insulting and demeaning" attacks maybe you ought to review the statements from Hillary, Bill and surrogates.

What is it? Do you think that the Clintons are beyond criticism?

Do you think that it's cool to tear apart the party and knee-cap another Dem while implicitly praising the GOP candidate?

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle O:

Poor, very poor excuse. Tit for tat is for immature people. Who is saying Hillary is Messiah? No one.

David was just saying that BO is just another demeaning politician like every other politician.

What part of that you dont understand? Type it slowly or read it slowly. You will get it.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 06:58AM | 0 recs

How in the world can what she said be construed as demeaning?!

Your bias is on full display there.

by you like it 2008-03-08 01:51PM | 0 recs
Not that vicious

The comment isn't THAT serious, but it is disturbing. It could be brushed off.

And no...I don't believe she was actually "kidding."

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-07 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Not that vicious

Yep, me too. Very early on. And Obama's comments about Reagan....hmmmm.....well it was clear to me, at least, that their strategy was to marginalize anything postive that the Clinton's had done. I get it, when you don't have a very long laundry list of your own accomplishments you try to marginalize your opponent's (even if he isn't running against Bill). It kinda pisses me off, but it's politics, so there you go. What really pisses me off though is then complaining that your opponent is doing the same thing.

by Dari 2008-03-07 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Not that vicious

Can you tell me completely 100% honestly that you don't think the Clinton campaign is doing the same?    

I'm so freaking frustrated on this blog. I know Obama is not perfect, and his campaign has not been perfect. But he's not a mysogynist, big phony, Muslim, (insert whatever slander here) that everyone here seems to love to yell about. This faux outrage is so grating I want to puke all over my computer (I sure hope that's not too outrageous and someone will be outraged and demand an apology). I have been pissed at Hillary for many, many reasons throughout this campaign. But I haven't started screaming OUTRAGE! through the blogosphere. I think she made a lot of mistakes. When she jokes about Obama's character, I call it as it is: a joke. Yes, it's clear she harbors these feelings (they are competitors!), but she's joking. Take a joke as it is. I see this Michelle statement as her trying to mock the question because that is clearly the type of answer they were looking for.

I'm a firm believer that I should save my outrage for an actual crisis. Then I'm not the blogger who cried wolf.

by cecilybecily 2008-03-07 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Not that vicious

I agree with you that both campaigns are doing some wrong things. But how can blaming Hillary absolve Barack?

How can you say BHO is not perfect? He is a Messiah as per many who support him. He claims to be holier than all of us (that's when he lost my vote). How can he be inspirational if he is not holier than me? How can he be the second coming if he is not perfect?

By accepting that both campaigns are doing dirty things, are you saying that Barack's words are "JUST WORDS"? Hope and change - Just words?

If you agree BHO is not perfect, then yes, they are just words. And he is just words in many peoples eyes because of his hypocrisy.

PS: He claims that light comes out of his behind on his website. (Kidding, Michelle style).

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Not that vicious

No, I don't believe he is just words. Saying he is not perfect is not the same thing as saying he is all a bunch of bs. But thank you for putting those words in my mouth. I just freaking love everyone's leading questions and faux sincerity these days!

I followed Barack for a couple years now and have always been a fan. I have also always been a fan of Hillary's, but Barack had a special appeal to me due to various reasons (none of which being that I think he is the second coming of Jesus Christ and I am a glossy eyed cultist- God, I even feel cliched writing that). If you'd ever honestly like to hear my reasons instead of belittling me as a supporter, let me know and I'll be glad to fill you in. But I honestly doubt your sincerity and wouldn't want to waste mine on you.

A presidential campaign is a political campaign, in the end. Nobody looks like a saint when they campaign. I think for the most part, Obama has taken the high road, as has Hillary (although recently I've been a little flabbergasted by some of the things she has said. The McCain experience one just bugged me because I know she will have to make a big hoopla out of apologizing for that later when Obama runs against McCain in the ge and that video is used by the McCain campaign).

His speeches are powerful, yes. Like when he gave that speech March 4th. I was upset that the election would now continue until forever and we will never have a candidate. The smallness of politics was dragging me down. But then Barack's speech reminded me of why I'm a democrat and why voting is important. Because he reminds us that the world is watching. He reminded me that there are huge things at stake- like war, poverty, disease, genocide. I was glad to hear a candidate talk about genocide and disease. Do I think Barack can single handedly wipe out genocide? NO, of course not. Nor is he claiming that is the case. The point is that it will take this kind of focus, fervor and excitement to begin to deal with that. It will take money and sacrifice, and he happens to be somebody I trust in sacrificing some time or money. I'm sorry that it bothers you that I really do trust him. I'm sorry you feel the need to roll your eyes and write me off as a person and a democrat because I am supporting Obama over Clinton in the primary. I'm sorry you have backed yourself into a hateful little poltical corner (as have many Obama supporters, by the way) in which you start scrapping about how terrible the other candidate is when neither of these two comes even close to being a terrible candidate. All of us, Clinton and Obama supporters alike, will have to come together on that special Tuesday in November. If you are a democrat and you honestly feel that one of these candidates is too awful to vote for, then you have been politically brainwashed and I advise you to seek help immediately.

by cecilybecily 2008-03-08 08:28AM | 0 recs
She probably does want to rip his eyes out

but this comment was in jest and the story obviously points that out.  Now, the "first time I have ever been proud of my country line" -that one deserves some scrutiny.

by linc 2008-03-07 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: She probably does want to rip his eyes out

Up until now, the thing that bothered me most about MO is her seeming utter lack of a sense of humor. But now that I've seen her "funny" side, I think she should go back to playing it straight.

by Inky 2008-03-08 06:43AM | 0 recs
In other news.....

Outraged Clinton supporters are calling on newspapers to stop using the following types of headlines -- because, apparently, some don't understand figures of speech and think that these violent acts of mauling, skewering, hammering, etc. are actually happening or are really threatened:

Clinton Skewers Obama on Samantha Power
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/pol itics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obam a_on_sama.html

Clinton Hammers Obama on NAFTA....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/03/d emocrats.primaries/?iref=hpmostpop

Memphis Mauls Central Florida
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all- bkcnational.6266831feb10,0,7761001.story

Please, everyone, while this grievous error of language is corrected, do your part and let people like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and the Central Florida Golden Knights know that they are not actually in danger of being mauled, skewered, or hammered.

Thank you.

by Bluebeard 2008-03-07 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "I want to rip (Bill's)

During an interview saying "Kidding!" is kinda like "that's off the record".

She was doing an interview with the New Yorker not sitting across the desk from John Stewart or rehearsing a Saturday Night Live Skit.

Please Michelle, don't apologize, and do please keeping running off at the mouth. You do more damage with every syllable of condescension and acrimony.  The well you're poisoning is your own.

by autumnal 2008-03-07 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "I want to rip (Bill's)

Good ol "anvil to the drowning man"

by autumnal 2008-03-07 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

Sigh. Another damaging remark from Michelle. So what else is new? She constantly shoots herself in the foot. Really not ready for prime time.

by Ga6thDem 2008-03-07 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

wow, you guys really hate this girl don't you. She probably just said it when she was really frustrated...Actually, do you think she really would rip his eyes out? Oh my gosh! We should call the police! The horror!!!

by mecarr 2008-03-07 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

yes! inform the Secret Service! the former President's life is in jeopardy! oh wait... the Secret Service was already there

by marcotom 2008-03-08 05:14AM | 0 recs

It's hilarious that white knights for Hillary can simultaneously decry the personal tear downs of the 1990's but participate in the same kinds of things on their own opponents.

She was joking. Next Outrage, please.

by amiches 2008-03-07 02:46PM | 0 recs
Bill Clinton was a race-baiter in S.C.

Michelle and millions of other black people probably wanted to rip his eyes out.


by SleepingWillow 2008-03-07 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Clinton was a race-baiter in S.C.

That is a lie and that shows how low Barack can go.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 07:07AM | 0 recs
I saw it with my own eyes

I didn't need Barack to tell me.

by SleepingWillow 2008-03-08 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I saw it with my own eyes

Well my friend, you didnt see it with your own eyes. You were clouded by Barack/Michelle's words and you let that affect your judgement.

You can not prove that Bill Clinton was racist and you know it.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

Her inappropriate comments about a former President do not surprise me.  After all, she admitted she did not love her country.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-07 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

yeah right! I can't believe you actually get uprates for this lie.

by marcotom 2008-03-08 05:15AM | 0 recs
"I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

OMG.  Nice, real nice.  Class.  NOT!

by environmentally blue 2008-03-07 03:30PM | 0 recs
"I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

This is a funny story which shows how much Obamas need to learn about diplomacy and politics. Yes. You can make a joke. Yes. You are human who have every right to like or dislike someone. HOWEVER she is applying to be the first lady of this country. She is in the middle of job interview with Americans. And she shows us over and over again how amateur she is.

by praxis1 2008-03-07 03:41PM | 0 recs
fuller context

But her pride visibly chafes at being asked to subsume her personality, to make herself seem duller and less independent than she is, even in the service of getting her husband elected President of the United States. In Wisconsin, I asked her if she was offended by Bill Clinton's use of the phrase "fairy tale" to describe her husband's characterization of his position on the Iraq War. At first, Obama responded with a curt "No." But, after a few seconds, she affected a funny voice. "I want to rip his eyes out!" she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. "Kidding!" Obama said. "See, this is what gets me into trouble."

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-07 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: fuller context

Whoa whoa whoa, context is NOT allowed!  In order to post here you have to take words out of context and then express your terrible OUTRAGE about what has occurred.

Take your context and truth elsewhere...

by WellstoneDem 2008-03-08 06:59AM | 0 recs
sorry, we're busy seeing how black we can

make Obama's photo.

by earthoat 2008-03-08 01:58PM | 0 recs
Behind the scenes.

I wonder what she is like in person, when this is how she handles herself on camera.

by Scotch 2008-03-07 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "I want to

It occured to me that perhaps the whole Obama campaign including Michele, might be posting on DKos.  That or else DK is providing them with a supply of  vitriol and names to use in name calling.  Something is strangely similar. Maybe it's a hobby they can all do together in their spare time.

by Scotch 2008-03-07 04:42PM | 0 recs
makes the idea of his being president

scary as hell.

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:04AM | 0 recs

Wow 87 comments about such silly minutiae. We're just going to give this election away to McCain aren't we?

by brimur 2008-03-07 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: wow

Considering that dKos managed to garner over 3,000 comments in its various diaries (three by the mighty Kos himself) with a totally b.s. story about Obama's being made to look "blacker" in a Clinton ad, I'd say that MyDD is veritable paragon of virtue in the "not overblowing campaign minutiae" department.

But I do agree with you about one thing--this election is looking more and more in McCain's bag as a result of the growing hostility between the Obama and Clinton camops. The well of electoral support is being poisoned, no matter who wins the Democratic nomination.

by Inky 2008-03-08 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "I want to rip (Bill's)

Wait a minute.  I know it is illegal to threaten a sitting President in any way, shape, or form.  Is it the same for a former President?  Maybe the secret service should arrest her?



See, this is what gets me in trouble


by FitnessNerd 2008-03-07 04:43PM | 0 recs

wow.  This is amazing.  I totally agree with her!

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-07 05:17PM | 0 recs

I would like to rip Obama's eyes out.

by Edgar08 2008-03-08 12:15AM | 0 recs

she was joking. she was in fact MAKING FUN of the idea that one should get mad about the fairy tale comment. She was doing the exact opposite of what you accuse her of.

by omar little 2008-03-07 05:19PM | 0 recs
Give me a break

Wow...so now we can't use euphemisms?  WTF?

This is a pathetic attempt at a smear.  And rather disheartening coming from a Clinton supporter.

Stuff like this just hurts women.

by jaywillie 2008-03-07 06:14PM | 0 recs
Ha ha very funny Michelle.

Great sense of humor from a so-called "classy" lady who is being compared by Obama supporters to Jackie Kennedy.  The Obama loving media will probably give this a pass.

by laternighter 2008-03-07 09:52PM | 0 recs
"I want to rip (Bill's) eyes out"

Please Michelle don't rip anyones eyes out. Just sayin, because that would be illegal, and you'd go to jail. We don't need anymore criminals in the White House.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-07 10:09PM | 0 recs
this is a litmus test

I want to rip Obama's eyes out.

Ha ha..  hee hee hee!

Am I funny or what?

by Edgar08 2008-03-08 12:14AM | 0 recs
Watch it

You will end up on Countdown.

by earthoat 2008-03-08 04:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

Between this and her anti-american comments (never being proud about her country until her husband become frontrunner for the POTUS nomination, how narcissistic is that?), Michelle Obama seems like a deeply unhappy woman.  Definitely not First Lady material.  Perhaps things aren't as happy in that marriage as they seem?

by BIGBROWN1 2008-03-08 02:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

wow, way to start a new smear!

by marcotom 2008-03-08 05:19AM | 0 recs
Eyes Ripping
Stuff like this and the "blacker" controversy on Kos make me want to rip my own eyes out.
Good thing there aren't any serious issues to talk about or anything.  
These are probably the two strongest democratic candidates in my lifetime, I could do without many of the supporters of both sometimes though!
by AltoonaDemocrat 2008-03-08 03:05AM | 0 recs
She takes her children to worship in an old style

nationalist church, headed by a minister who slips off to Libya and honors Farrakhan.

And we're supposed to believe that her husband is going to unite the races, and is the voice of change?

For a uniter, his supporters have made more Hit Posts than anything I've ever seen.  Maybe Chicago has a unique definition for the word "unite".

by earthoat 2008-03-08 04:52AM | 0 recs
Re: She takes her children to worship in an old st

Thanks for being a good example by posting your own hit post! Do you actually realize what you are doing?

by marcotom 2008-03-08 05:20AM | 0 recs
truth is a hit post?

where is the fabrication?

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

And she is supposed to be "the closer?"  Someone with authority needs to sit down with her immediately and tell her to act like a grown-up or just keep quiet.  

by Thaddeus 2008-03-08 06:31AM | 0 recs
My Daily Distortion

So if you read the article,

you will find that the reporter asked Michelle what she thought of President Clinton's distortions of Senator Obama's record on the Iraq war, calling it a "fairy tale"

She then responded that she wanted to claw his eyes out.  Obviously she was pissed off about it.

But it wouldn't be MYDD if it didn't involve taking Obama supporters words out of context and proclaiming mock outrage.

by WellstoneDem 2008-03-08 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: My Daily Distortion

It's worth noting that she clearly intended it as a joke, BTW.  Funny voice and all.  The Hillary folks here are delusional beyond belief if they honestly think she actually meant that.

She's human and tells bad jokes.  Just like me, to my boyfriend's chagrin.  LOL

by Sean Robertson 2008-03-08 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "I want to

Daily Kos is useless in a true ideal democracy. I thought Obama was for ideal democracy but then he talks something and does something else. If Obama was really holier than me, he would have publicly said Daily Kos should be ignored for spewing hatred. But alas, will Obama do so? Nope! He is a hypocrite.

And so, Daily Kos is visited by bunch of self patting hypocrites who feel great amongst other blind supporters.

by Sandeep 2008-03-08 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "

Miss Michelle acts with as much class as Miss New York from Flavor Flav's show. She is a major liability to Obama.

by rossinatl 2008-03-08 07:17AM | 0 recs
Racist much?

by SleepingWillow 2008-03-08 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama: "

Wow. I don't think you're a racist (as far as I know) but that was an idiotic thing to post.

Yeah, the "as far as I know" was on purpose.

by cecilybecily 2008-03-08 08:32AM | 0 recs
You know, as much as I hate this diary...

I'm really glad I found it.  That article you linked to is one of the best I've read in this entire campaign.

Thanks for reminding me about what I loved so much about Howard Dean's wife and their connection.  Compare that to Bush's Stepford wife and you get the idea.

by Sean Robertson 2008-03-08 08:15AM | 0 recs
Recommended, BTW

I hope a lot more people read that article. ;-)

by Sean Robertson 2008-03-08 08:16AM | 0 recs


by you like it 2008-03-08 08:22AM | 0 recs

It's not that Obama doesn't know the anodyne, wifely things to say (essentially, nothing). She is, after all, a "community and external affairs" professional. But her pride visibly chafes at being asked to subsume her personality, to make herself seem duller and less independent than she is, even in the service of getting her husband elected President of the United States. In Wisconsin, I asked her if she was offended by Bill Clinton's use of the phrase "fairy tale" to describe her husband's characterization of his position on the Iraq War. At first, Obama responded with a curt "No." But, after a few seconds, she affected a funny voice. "I want to rip his eyes out!" she said, clawing at the air with her fingernails. One of her advisers gave her a nervous look. "Kidding!" Obama said. "See, this is what gets me into trouble."

Clintonistas bore the fuck out of me.

by Drew 2008-03-08 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama

Really??  Michelle Obama, welcome to 50% of the country.

by Kate33 2008-03-08 09:14AM | 0 recs
"I want to rip (Bill's) eyes o

Crap post!!!

by gcee 2008-03-08 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

My wife has been a supporter of Hillery since she became First Lady. When Bill got busted again, this with Monica, my wife said "Hillery should castrate that SOB."

by nogo war 2008-03-08 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

LOL.  I was very mad at him too.  But it was her choice, and I support her decision.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-08 01:59PM | 0 recs
Message to Michelle Obama
Be careful with humor, particularly if the opponent is the type that will stoop to any depth.
by PhilFR 2008-03-08 01:32PM | 0 recs
uh yeah like posts at du
calling her "Cluster Bomb Clnton" and she encourages overseas sweatshops.
How does Obama get away with the foul crap he's been pulling in the blogs for months?
by earthoat 2008-03-08 01:55PM | 0 recs
It's a joke.

Hey,  I think it was just a joke.  Really.   maybe not an appropriate joke for someone in her position.  But a joke anyway.  I won't read anything into it.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-08 01:56PM | 0 recs
Immature shitheads, at the very least...

by Gloria 2008-03-08 05:47PM | 0 recs
Is Mrs. BHO

still on the campaign trail or did they send her to get declawed?

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Michelle Obama:

I'm pretty sure that David Patterson would not find her comments at all amusing.

She is one angry woman. Guess Rev. Wright has gotten her all fired up.  This is what happens when you attend a church for 20 years that spews that kind of aggression.  

by Catriley sez 2008-03-14 02:11PM | 0 recs


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