Electioneering occuring in Indiana??? UPDATE

I came across this story a little while ago, and the video.  It shows a person, we don't know if she is a volunteer or a poll worker for Obama, but she is standing at a table INSIDE the voting place across from the registration table with a sign that says, "Trouble Voting?""Talk to me.", and then "Obama for America" at the bottom of the sign.

Reports are also being bandied about that she is actively talking to people, and she can be witnessed talking to people in the video.

According to the story, she won't identify herself (which to me means she is not a poll worker or election judge-b/c she would have an indentification badge/credential) and that she is directing those asking her questions to call the campaign.

This is purported to be happening across the state, and in North Carolina also from a different post here.
http://www.electionjournal.org/?p=230


A spokesman for the Clinton campaign stated that they had heard of numerous reports of Obama volunteers electioneering in Indiana. The reports have mainly come from a large group of watchers the campaign deployed across the state - specifically reports of signs in polling places in South Bend and a precinct in Evansville where the Inspector is allegedly instructing people how to vote. They were also following the EJ report in Marion County.  The campaign may issue a statement soon.

A spokesman for the Obama campaign stated that they had "briefed all volunteers on the guidelines and will continue to do so."


Update [2008-5-6 16:31:37 by TxDem08]: The Obama campaign has removed the watcher and the sign from the polling place, and apologized to the election staff. However, there are continued reports of this occuring throughout Indiana. Also, the Marion County Clerk has gotten involved and had this to say: http://www.electionjournal.org/?p=237
I am aware of what happened in the polling location and we informed the precinct Election Inspector that this was prohibited activity and must not continue.

Tags: Barack Obama, Democratic Primary, Election, Election 2008, Hillary Clinton, Obama for America (all tags)

Comments

82 Comments

Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

illegal, but still hopeful ;-)

illegal electioneering - not really new politics, just winger politics.

by swissffun 2008-05-06 11:33AM | 0 recs
Just one person...

who made a mistake:

The Obama campaign confirms this happened and has apologized.

"A volunteer and credentialed watcher made a mistake and took a sign into the polling booth that was meant for the appropriate place outside of the polling place," said spox Bill Burton. "The sign has been taken down, and we apologized to the election workers for the mistake."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/electionjournal.html

by Tatan 2008-05-06 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Just one person...

Um, no.


A spokesman for the Clinton campaign stated that they had heard of NUMEROUS reports of Obama volunteers electioneering in Indiana.

-- emphasis mine

This is occuring across Indiana, and this shows a concerted effort on the Obama campaign.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 12:01PM | 0 recs
Stop the presses

A Clinton campaign operative has unsubstantiated rumors of malfeasance on the part of the opposing candidate!

Whatever will we do?

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:07PM | 0 recs
Whatever will we do?

Try to exploit it far beyond its merit.

by Kobi 2008-05-06 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Whatever will we do?

More TR Abuse.  swissfun - Read the goddamned guidlines.

by fogiv 2008-05-06 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Whatever will we do?

Thanks to you and the others for standing up for open dialogue.

by Kobi 2008-05-06 05:42PM | 0 recs
HRC plans to whine her way to the nomination

"I would have gotten it if the media was fair... if MI and FL didn't change their primary dates (but I got the advantage of the changed dates in the election results)... if Obama's supporters didn't cheat... if, if, if..."

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Just one person...

Like I said below:

You're showing one video of one location and extrapolating from it based on rumors, hearsay and innuendo. That is irresponsible to say the least.

by Tatan 2008-05-06 12:08PM | 0 recs
are you a newbie to elections?

Partisans make at least ten of these complaints for every one that checks out.

BTW, HRC supporters, especially on MyDD, have a long history of crying wolf about election misconduct. They whine that Obama supporters are cheating--mostly hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet--and give excuses about why they don't file complaints with the appropriate authorities.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: are you a newbie to elections?

That would be fine to alledge, but we have video evidence to document this.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Oh Noez, one person doing something wrong!

by Lawyerish 2008-05-06 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

DEMOCRATS DONT DO THIS!!!!!!

by boxer4hrc 2008-05-06 11:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Wait a minute folks, i think we need to give the Obama a supporters a break on this. They obviously mixed up this primary with a caucus, so they pulled out the intimidating, cheating tactics they use in a caucus. I'm sure once they were told it was an actual election, they stopped doing it. They do have their limits.

by pollbuster 2008-05-06 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering

This is their first election since turning 18.  They don't know that it is illegal.

by WolfmanJack 2008-05-06 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering

Im sorry but that woman did not look 18...and even if thats the case those polling people in the room know the rules, they should make her stop!!!

So pacific john was right about BO cheating and now we have proof!

by boxer4hrc 2008-05-06 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering

Yeah. If she's cheating, then someone should throw her out.

by Democratic Unity 2008-05-06 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering

just a joke about Obama supporters average age.

Of course, anyone "electioneering" for any candidate should be arrested.

Boy, we are all coming unglued today. Why aren't Obama supporters more relaxed? I can understand why Hillary supporters are tense, but why the caffeine-induced-grasping and clenching by Obama supporters?

by WolfmanJack 2008-05-06 11:49AM | 0 recs
Since they're pushing this,

can we assume team Clinton's early exit polling is not looking good in Indiana?

by McNasty 2008-05-06 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Since they're pushing this,

Why because they want a fair election?

by pollbuster 2008-05-06 12:01PM | 0 recs
OH...MY...GOD...

An overzealous volunteer didn't know the rules?!??!?!

That's never happened before!!!!!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH..........MY..........GOD!!!!!!!!!

UNPRECEDENTED!!!!!

by Democratic Unity 2008-05-06 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: OH...MY...GOD...

HELLO!!!!!!

she may have not known the rules but the other volunteers DO!!!!

and from the way the video looked was THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING!!!!!!

FRAUD IS FRAUD!!!!!

by boxer4hrc 2008-05-06 11:43AM | 0 recs
Or maybe...

There was no fraud going on, and you're overreacting because you want Obama supporters to be dirty, dirty cheats.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: OH...MY...GOD...

The Obama campaign has made fraud an art-form.

by owl06 2008-05-06 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

I assume that she is a voter protection attorney for the campaign. State laws vary with respect to the rules governing participation inside the polling location. In SC, our voter protection attorneys were likewise at a nearby table but the only indication of Obama affiliation was on a tag affixed to their shirt (like a name tag).

Since I'm sure there were about 10 people outside of the location with campaign signs (surely there were some Hillary signs), I don't see anything to get worked up about in the video. Their job is to make sure people are able to vote. It would be better if the sign didn't mention Obama at all (and I'm not sure this constitutes electioneering), but even though everyone knew I was with Obama's election protection squad in Texas (I was outside the polling location, so there were no electioneering issues) I still helped several Clinton supporters with primary and caucus issues.

by DPW 2008-05-06 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Okay, based on Bill Burton's update, it looks like she was just a poll watcher who had set up the wrong sign at her table. These are signs that voter protection attys would use, not a poll watcher, so that makes sense. A poll watcher is very unlikely to be helpful to someone turned away by the polling clerk.

And, it is very similar to a sign I used in Texas as a voter protection atty--outside the polling location. Can we chill out now?

by DPW 2008-05-06 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Um nope.  How long was she set up there?  How many people did she possible influence?  How and what type of information did she have access to and was providing to those who asked her questions?  We see her toward the end of the clip looking at a sheaf of papers, what are they and do they contain any "electioneering" documents within them?  The video was taken at 10:15 am...the "sign was taken down after 2:00 pm...4 hours.  

As a lawyer, you know these are questions you would be asking if the shoe were on the other foot, would you not?

Seriously.  This is a very, very serious allegation. And this is apparently happening across Indiana.  Not good.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

The ONLY thing she did wrong was display a sign that was supposed to go outdoor inside. That was it. The sign was displayed in the wrong place.

by Tatan 2008-05-06 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

No I disagree.  She didn't just display a sign, she actively talked to voters, and can be seen going through some sort of papers in her possession while talking with a voter inside of the polling place.

If she dispayed a sign, and just stood there, it might be one thing.  But she was not just doing that, was she.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Yes. She is an election watcher. It's her job to talk to voters. To tell them what they can do if they have a problem. To make sure that people who are eligible to vote get the chance to and people who aren't, don't. Hillary has these very same people at precincts all over NC and IN as well. Do you want to post a new diary attacking her for that?

by Tatan 2008-05-06 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

I'm sorry but you are wrong.  A Poll watcher/Election worker does not get involved IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.  You are thinking of a Precinct Judge or an Election judge.  And they may also not give any advice or indicate a verbal preference for any candidate.

A credentialed Poll watcher has a credential that is issued to them, with their name and their candidate affiliation.  They do not get involved.  They can not observe any assistance that an election judge is offering outside of a voter registering their name to vote.  They may then challenge that person(s).

Also, a Poll or Election worker has been trained and has recieved training on how to conduct themselves and what they are and are not permitted to do.


IC 3-6-6.5-2
Contents of program courses
     Sec. 2. The program must consist of courses in several aspects of precinct election administration, including the following:
        (1) The duties of precinct election officers and county election officials.
        (2) The laws governing activity permitted and prohibited in polling places.
        (3) The laws and procedures governing the operation of voting systems.
        (4) The laws governing voter registration, absentee ballots, provisional ballots, and the tabulation of ballots.
        (5) Effective communication and problem solving techniques.
As added by P.L.230-2005, SEC.17.

The guidelines for an election watcher are also here:

If she was a watcher as it has been alledged, then she also is governed by a certain set of rules, and guidelines, none of which allow her to discuss anything with a voter, or even to place placards or wear any political signage or clothing while in the polling place.  They get their credentials which state all of that.  They can not get involved in the actual election.

IC 3-6-8-2.5
Eligibility of watchers
     Sec. 2.5. A watcher appointed under this chapter must be a registered voter of the county.
As added by P.L.3-1997, SEC.47.

IC 3-6-8-3
Identification card
     Sec. 3. (a) A watcher present at the polls must possess an identification card issued under this section and present the card if demanded by a member of the precinct election board.
    (b) The county election board, county chairman, or chairman of the committee of the independent candidate for a federal or a state office:
        (1) must appoint each watcher in writing; and
        (2) shall issue one (1) watcher identification card for each

person appointed as a watcher.
    (c) The identification card must be signed by the chairman of the county election board, county chairman of the party, or chairman of the committee of the independent candidate for a federal or a state office that the watcher represents.
    (d) The identification card described in subsection (a) must clearly state the following:
        (1) The status of the individual as an appointed watcher.
        (2) The name of the individual serving as a watcher.
        (3) The name of the person who appointed the individual as a watcher.
        (4) If the individual has been appointed as a watcher by a political party, the name of the political party.
As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.2. Amended by P.L.5-1989, SEC.13; P.L.7-1990, SEC.4; P.L.3-1993, SEC.25; P.L.3-1995, SEC.21; P.L.230-2005, SEC.20.

IC 3-6-8-4
Powers and duties
     Sec. 4. A watcher appointed under this chapter is entitled to:
        (1) enter the polls at least thirty (30) minutes before the opening of the polls and remain there throughout election day until all tabulations have been completed;
        (2) inspect the paper ballot boxes, ballot card voting system, or electronic voting system before votes have been cast;
        (3) inspect the work being done by any precinct election officer;
        (4) enter, leave, and reenter the polls at any time on election day;
        (5) witness the calling and recording of the votes and any other proceedings of the precinct election officers in the performance of official duties;
        (6) receive a summary of the vote prepared under IC 3-12-2-15, IC 3-12-3-2, IC 3-12-3-11, or IC 3-12-3.5-3, signed by the precinct election board, providing:
            (A) the names of all candidates of the political party whose primary election is being observed by the watcher and the number of votes cast for each candidate;
            (B) the names of all candidates at a general, municipal, or special election and the number of votes cast for each candidate; or
            (C) the vote cast for or against a public question;
        (7) accompany the inspector and judge in delivering the tabulation and election returns to the county election board by the most direct route;
        (8) be present when the inspector takes a receipt for the tabulation and election returns delivered to the county election board; and
        (9) call upon the election sheriffs to make arrests.
As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.2. Amended by P.L.3-1987, SEC.38; P.L.3-1993, SEC.26; P.L.3-1997, SEC.48; P.L.221-2005, SEC.11.

Please...please...show me ANYWHERE within the IC that states that they may interact and talk with voters?

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 02:15PM | 0 recs
Huh?

The sign said "If you have trouble voting, talk to me."

If she didn't talk to people, then she wouldn't be doing her job.

Seriously, you're spinning her helping old-folks and first time voters as something evil.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Huh?

No, sorry but you are WRONG.

A Poll watcher/Election worker does not get involved IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.  You are thinking of a Precinct Judge or an Election judge.  And they may also not give any advice or indicate a verbal preference for any candidate.

A credentialed Poll watcher has a credential that is issued to them, with their name and their candidate affiliation.  They do not get involved.  They can not observe any assistance that an election judge is offering outside of a voter registering their name to vote.  They may then challenge that person(s).

Also, a Poll or Election worker has been trained and has recieved training on how to conduct themselves and what they are and are not permitted to do.


IC 3-6-6.5-2
Contents of program courses
     Sec. 2. The program must consist of courses in several aspects of precinct election administration, including the following:
        (1) The duties of precinct election officers and county election officials.
        (2) The laws governing activity permitted and prohibited in polling places.
        (3) The laws and procedures governing the operation of voting systems.
        (4) The laws governing voter registration, absentee ballots, provisional ballots, and the tabulation of ballots.
        (5) Effective communication and problem solving techniques.
As added by P.L.230-2005, SEC.17.

If she was a watcher as it has been alledged, then she also is governed by a certain set of rules, and guidelines, none of which allow her to discuss anything with a voter, or even to place placards or wear any political signage or clothing while in the polling place.  They get their credentials which state all of that.  They can not get involved in the actual election.

The guidelines for an election watcher are also here:


IC 3-6-8-2.5
Eligibility of watchers
     Sec. 2.5. A watcher appointed under this chapter must be a registered voter of the county.
As added by P.L.3-1997, SEC.47.

IC 3-6-8-3
Identification card
     Sec. 3. (a) A watcher present at the polls must possess an identification card issued under this section and present the card if demanded by a member of the precinct election board.
    (b) The county election board, county chairman, or chairman of the committee of the independent candidate for a federal or a state office:
        (1) must appoint each watcher in writing; and
        (2) shall issue one (1) watcher identification card for each

person appointed as a watcher.
    (c) The identification card must be signed by the chairman of the county election board, county chairman of the party, or chairman of the committee of the independent candidate for a federal or a state office that the watcher represents.
    (d) The identification card described in subsection (a) must clearly state the following:
        (1) The status of the individual as an appointed watcher.
        (2) The name of the individual serving as a watcher.
        (3) The name of the person who appointed the individual as a watcher.
        (4) If the individual has been appointed as a watcher by a political party, the name of the political party.
As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.2. Amended by P.L.5-1989, SEC.13; P.L.7-1990, SEC.4; P.L.3-1993, SEC.25; P.L.3-1995, SEC.21; P.L.230-2005, SEC.20.

IC 3-6-8-4
Powers and duties
     Sec. 4. A watcher appointed under this chapter is entitled to:
        (1) enter the polls at least thirty (30) minutes before the opening of the polls and remain there throughout election day until all tabulations have been completed;
        (2) inspect the paper ballot boxes, ballot card voting system, or electronic voting system before votes have been cast;
        (3) inspect the work being done by any precinct election officer;
        (4) enter, leave, and reenter the polls at any time on election day;
        (5) witness the calling and recording of the votes and any other proceedings of the precinct election officers in the performance of official duties;
        (6) receive a summary of the vote prepared under IC 3-12-2-15, IC 3-12-3-2, IC 3-12-3-11, or IC 3-12-3.5-3, signed by the precinct election board, providing:
            (A) the names of all candidates of the political party whose primary election is being observed by the watcher and the number of votes cast for each candidate;
            (B) the names of all candidates at a general, municipal, or special election and the number of votes cast for each candidate; or
            (C) the vote cast for or against a public question;
        (7) accompany the inspector and judge in delivering the tabulation and election returns to the county election board by the most direct route;
        (8) be present when the inspector takes a receipt for the tabulation and election returns delivered to the county election board; and
        (9) call upon the election sheriffs to make arrests.
As added by P.L.5-1986, SEC.2. Amended by P.L.3-1987, SEC.38; P.L.3-1993, SEC.26; P.L.3-1997, SEC.48; P.L.221-2005, SEC.11.

Please...please...show me ANYWHERE within the IC that states that they may interact and talk with voters?

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Huh?

Please...please...show me ANYWHERE within the IC that states that they may NOT interact and talk with voters?

by fogiv 2008-05-06 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Huh?

Sure I would be glad to.

Here you go:


IC 3-14-3-16
Electioneering
Sec. 16. (a) As used in this section, "electioneering" includes expressing support or opposition to any candidate or political party or expressing approval or disapproval of any public question in any manner that could reasonably be expected to convey that support or opposition to another individual.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 09:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Thanks for your comments.  There's a fine line on some of these issues.

by Steve M 2008-05-06 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

protection attorneys have campaign logos on their signs?

by swissffun 2008-05-06 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

In many states the attorneys would be outside, so there is no danger of violating electioneering laws. In this case, the sign should have been outside, evidently, and a problem only arose from the fact that the sign was taken inside.

by DPW 2008-05-06 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

well I have a problem with this sign anywhere near a poll-booth. And I think you're mistaken, since at the front door would still be too close for electioneering. Having the logo there is patent electioneering.

by swissffun 2008-05-07 11:40AM | 0 recs
Could it be possible?

Perhaps she was, you know, helping people to actually vote without getting partisan about it?

Some folks have trouble doing it correctly.  We remember Florida, yes?

In retrospect, the sign probably shouldn't have had Obama's logo... but if she were doing something wrong, it would behoove the election staff to kick her out.

I don't think there's any serious evidence of wrongdoing here.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Could it be possible?

Who said evidence had to be serious? Why can't it be inferred? It'd sure make outrage a lot easier.

by vcalzone 2008-05-06 11:47AM | 0 recs
You have a point

It is easier to be outraged if you don't need a logical reason.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Could it be possible?

exactly after florida and the info that's been everywhere the past couple years re. elections and the process you need to be an idiot to harmlessly put such a sign complete with campaign logo feet from the booth. so either you think this person is a real idiot or there were alterior motives. man. what contortionist justifications you guys are making.

by swissffun 2008-05-06 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Could it be possible?

It s utterly illegal for anyone other than a registered voter about to vote or exiting after voting, or election officials to even be present in the polling room.

by oh puhleeze 2008-05-06 01:47PM | 0 recs
This was a mistake

one person made. The campaign has already corrected it and apologized:

The Obama campaign confirms this happened and has apologized.

"A volunteer and credentialed watcher made a mistake and took a sign into the polling booth that was meant for the appropriate place outside of the polling place," said spox Bill Burton. "The sign has been taken down, and we apologized to the election workers for the mistake."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/electionjournal.html

by Tatan 2008-05-06 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: This was a mistake

fair enough. case closed.

by Adam B 2008-05-06 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: This was a mistake

I wish the diarist would be big enough to acknowledge this and update the diary.

by Tatan 2008-05-06 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: This was a mistake

Diary has been updated to reflect the comment that has been atributed to the Obama campaign, as well as the actual infractions that this individual has committed.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: This was a mistake

As mentioned above:


A spokesman for the Clinton campaign stated that they had heard of numerous reports of Obama volunteers electioneering in Indiana.

It's not just at one location.  It's across the state in Indiana...this makes it a concerted effort.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: This was a mistake

You're showing one video of one location and extrapolating from it based on rumors, hearsay and innuendo. That is irresponsible to say the least.

by Tatan 2008-05-06 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: This was a mistake

You have a fair comment.  I will update accordingly.

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Utterly Illegal
rec this up, hill supporters.
send links to national media.
I did election protection for Hillary's campaign in York, PA.  This is outrageous and totally illegal.  The Indiana rule is no campaigning or campaign literature within 50 ft. of the BUILDING, that is the front door.  People in PA were asked to take their Hillary buttons off before entering the polling room.  Also, no one but staff and voters is allowed in the actual polling room.
by oh puhleeze 2008-05-06 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Utterly Illegal

"rec this up, hill supporters.
send links to national media."

Did you miss the part where she was reprimanded and the situation fixed?

No, I suppose you didn't.

by McNasty 2008-05-06 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Utterly Illegal

just like there were more than one "recounts" that Harris ordered in Florida....case closed everything is fine look away!

by boxer4hrc 2008-05-06 11:54AM | 0 recs
A bit hysterical, aren't we?

Comparing this to Florida, 2000, are we?  Really?

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Utterly Illegal

"A volunteer and credentialed watcher made a mistake and took a sign into the polling booth that was meant for the appropriate place outside of the polling place," said spox Bill Burton. "The sign has been taken down, and we apologized to the election workers for the mistake.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/electionjournal.html

Note that this was a credentialed watcher.  If this is how poorly their credentialed people are trained, it's likely that there were and are more instances of illegal behavior.  This appears to be more of the same:  With a facile apology, once again the Obama campaign just says sorry and expects to get away with it.  But to evaluate this we really need more information.  Who exactly was the watcher and who was the volunteer, and who trained them?  These questions need to be answered and then, and only then, can we let it pass as a harmless mistake.

by PlainWords 2008-05-06 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Utterly Illegal

Actually, I missed the part where the candidate who stands for a new kind of politics doesn't print signs specifically for use inside polling places, doesn't encourage other polling offenses, doesn't do teach-ins about how to strong arm caucus votes, doesn't lie in negative advertising, doesn't base his negative campaign on personal character assassination, doesn't use race to divide the party, doesn't happily encourage vile misogynist stereotyping of his opponent, and doesn't lie everytime something else ugly turns up about his history.  

by oh puhleeze 2008-05-06 01:44PM | 0 recs
the law

IMHO, without any kind of "vote for" language, this is a close call:

IC 3-14-3-16
Electioneering

    Sec. 16. (a) As used in this section, "electioneering" includes expressing support or opposition to any candidate or political party or expressing approval or disapproval of any public question in any manner that could reasonably be expected to convey that support or opposition to another individual. The term does not include expressing support or opposition to a candidate or a political party or expressing approval or disapproval of a public question in:
        (1) material mailed to a voter; or
        (2) a telephone or an electronic communication with a voter.

(b) A person who knowingly does any electioneering:
        (1) on election day within:
            (A) the polls; or
            (B) the chute;
        (2) within an area in the office of the circuit court clerk or a satellite office of the circuit court clerk established under IC 3-11-10-26.3 used by an absentee voter board to permit an individual to cast an absentee ballot; or
        (3) except for a voter who is:
            (A) the person's spouse;
            (B) an incapacitated person (as defined in IC 29-3-1-7.5) for whom the person has been appointed the guardian (as defined in IC 29-3-1-6); or
            (C) a member of the person's household;
        in the presence of a voter whom the person knows possesses an absentee ballot provided to the voter in accordance with Indiana law;
commits a Class A misdemeanor.

by Adam B 2008-05-06 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: the law

Thus the question.  I find it very, very iffy.  But what did it for me as the "Obama for America" sign.

Here is where it get's dicey:


...includes expressing support or opposition to any candidate...

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 11:57AM | 0 recs
Yeah

The campaign saw that, too, and made her take down the sign.

That was the one sketchy thing here, and it was comparatively minor.  Not really worth a diary.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 11:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah

Indeed.  As at attorney who policed actual election fraud a few weeks ago, this is a relative piffle, addressed quickly as these things should be.

by Adam B 2008-05-06 12:01PM | 0 recs
Exactly

There are much more serious issues that we should be looking at with regard to election fraud.

You'd think these people are on the Supreme Court here, as much as they're contributing to zero tolerance...

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: the law

Would that just express Obama's support for America? American isn't a candidate, party, or public question.

Okay, so I'm being deliberately pedantic, but if outrage requires 20 minutes of statutory construction, then I'm not incline to take the outrage too seriously.

by DPW 2008-05-06 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: the law

You're either kidding or totally disingenuous.  The logo is printed on the sign.  Not to mention that it is illegal for her to even be in the room, sign or no.  Not to mention that she had a table and chairs and even in the brief clip is seen talking to voters.

by oh puhleeze 2008-05-06 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: the law

Is it illegal for poll watchers to be in the polling location? That isn't the case in many states (e.g., SC), but I'm not sure about IN. I assumed--based on Bill Burton's response--that there is nothing wrong with that.

by DPW 2008-05-06 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: the law

It's not a close call.  Just putting up a sign is electioneering, because it publicizes the name.  That's why the signs have to be 100ft (or whatever) away from the polling place.  Putting up a sign with Obama's name, inside the polling place, is just what this person did.

by PlainWords 2008-05-06 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

ya'll are just amazing! You know when republicans do these things you guys cry (rightfully) from the rooftops! But one of your own does it and they have a good reason. "oops sorry my bad"

Im left for words. In november when the republicans pull this card or other cards.....YOUR ON YOUR OWN!

FRAUD IS FRAUD!

by boxer4hrc 2008-05-06 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

This how we change Washington. What a load of crap

by gunner 2008-05-06 11:57AM | 0 recs
Funny.

I saw a lot of spirited defense of Women's Voices Women's Vote when they robocalled folks and gave misleading information about voter registration.

They said it was a mistake (much like the last 11 mistakes) and folks here let them off the hook.

I'm not convinced that they were intentionally doing anything wrong; they were just incompetant in these particular repeated issues.  

Can't we just extend the same grace to this volunteer who gave up her time and effort to help democracy have its day in the sun?

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Funny.

they werent part of the Hillary campaign. Which in a way you proved my point.....that story was all over daily kooks and americablog....about how the Clintons are stopping at nothing.

But this was just one person and Obama said sorry so everything is ok......I can't wait to see the reaction to the dirty tricks in November!

by boxer4hrc 2008-05-06 12:10PM | 0 recs
Obama puts a stop to 'dirty tricks'

I have never seen any instance of the campaign allowing "dirty tricks" to continue unchecked once made aware of them.

I suggest you report said violations to election judges and the Obama campaign.  I'm sure they'll be taken care of.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Funny.

some of its key members are obama supporters and black.

by owl06 2008-05-06 12:32PM | 0 recs
Oh yeah?

Like Lamont Williams?

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Fraud is fraud, and rules are rules. This is the new politics of change and hope.

by pollbuster 2008-05-06 12:00PM | 0 recs
Oh come on.

Don't go off on one person doing something mildly silly and point at the rules while simultaniously your candidate is retroactively trying to change the rules in her benefit.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh come on.

One person that they have pictures for, but there are reports of this happening all over.

by pollbuster 2008-05-06 12:14PM | 0 recs
There are always "reports"

Most of the time the complaints are bogus.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-06 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

It's old school Chicago-style machine politics.

by owl06 2008-05-06 12:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

yeah its illegal. any candidate material is illegal within 100 ft of the polling place. The election judge should make her aware.

by amde 2008-05-06 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

i've heard reports that obama cultists in indiana are murdering hillary supporters, others are handing them care blankets laced with small pox when entering the voting station and several splinter factions of the obama cult has declared independence from the union in northwest indiana..

nothing will stop these madmen!

by soros 2008-05-06 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???


Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

Gotta say, this is begging for a smart-a$$ reply of the "What in the hell do you think has been happening for the last two weeks" variety. But I'm too nice of a person to do that.

by blueflorida 2008-05-06 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Electioneering occuring in Indiana???

I know...but then you would possibly get the smart-a@@ response that campaigning & "electioneering" before the voting day is okay.  But "electioneering" INSIDE of the polling place on election day is another case of election fraud all together.

But since we're all friends here, and I'm such a nice guy, I wouldn't do that either. ;)

by TxDem08 2008-05-06 02:26PM | 0 recs

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