The Immigration Bill: I Like!

I like the bipartisan compromise on immigration - the upshot of it is, that there's 11 Million illegals in the US.

Labor will be happy that the scabs will be sent home, there will be tougher measures in place to hunt down the ones that have been here less than 2 years. Those who headed into town to give birth to their baby in a US hospital, will be turned back if we can. This is a tough situation for some people, but the situation is truly out of control.

But those Latinos who are really changing America anyway - the ones who are bringing tasty burritos and pinatas and even cinco de mayo to become part of our country - the hardworking folks who are up there on the roofs, the ones who are doing all kinds of good work - they who are here for more than 5 years, will be given legal status. This is huge. This means that Labor can approach, and potentially organize them. This also means that the cheap labor that farmers have come to rely on, can stay. Of course, people will have to be paid minimum wage and there are some who say it can't be done but I say, the devil take someone who can't raise their prices to pay their workers 20k per year
to work 60 hours a week hard labor. We're America.

Something Dean said , I thought was really interesting - because I am a fiscal conservative - he said, "We found that (if you pay them a decent wage) they'll go into the center of town and spend part of it."

That is very true. The economy needs people who are not afraid to be on the lower rungs of the ladder, and who can spend without fear of being tracked by their credit card or hunted down with dogs. The economy will get a big boost from what might be 5 million folks suddenly being granted status.

There is government revenue here, as well. Licenses. Fees. All that they will all pay. There is a different mindset. Kids in school go home, to a different language - they struggle to keep up. A person unafraid of being deported might relax, and try to learn some of the language. Scores will go up.

This is a good deal.

Am I wrong?

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Re: The Immigration Bill: I Like!
The thing is that Americans will work if you pay them a living wage.  The Americans who work at the lower end of the economy will spend everything they earn here not send a good deal of it to Mexico.
What occurs to me is that our president defended the enormous profits of Exxon as the just result of the free market system.  However he and apparently the rest of his brand of neocon has no concern for the free market value of American Labor.  
Employers should have to pay market rate for Americans to work.  They should not be allowed to break the law in order to pad their profits.  
The doom and gloom, day without a Mexican crowd say Americans won't do these jobs.  That is blatantly false since Americans do every job in this economy.  The fact is that illegal aliens flood the market with millions of low priced workers and drive wages down throughout the lower end of the economy.
The smart, fiscally conservative move is to deny employment and any entitlements to illegal aliens and allow the free market system to boost the wages of those at the bottom of the economy.
Trust me, if you can afford to pay $35 to have your yard cut, you can afford $40.  You can pay a $10 more year for the produce your family eats.
You could also decrease class size and extend the school year for at risk children to give them a shot at success as well as eliminate the drain on maternity wards, emergency medical services and public hospitals.
But absolutely nothing will happen unless sanctions are enforced against employers.  The reason they use illegals is to boost their profits.  If you legalize these illegals, they will just hire more.
Please forgive my rambling.  The answer is you are wrong.
by blackmanredstate 2006-04-06 09:20AM | 0 recs
Economics 101

> if you pay them a decent wage) they'll go into the center of town and spend part of it.

We owe the existence of the middle class to this very idea.  For decades, labor fought (and in many cases died) for a minimum wage, a 40-hour work week, safe working conditions, etc.  The bosses predicted economic ruin.  And of course the result was a 30-year economic boom.

If you give the rich more money, they're going to stash it away in the Cayman Islands, and the American economy will never see it again.  Give working folks more money, and by gosh, they'll spend it!

by schroeder 2006-04-06 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Economics 101

Right. I know it sounds wierd that I call myself fiscally conservative, and support the minimum wage - I think thats the defining moment, though for most of us out there - we are all in those types of situations thanks to how effed up our country has become.

Depressions and recessions are expensive. Good fiscal policy is to spend money where it counts, keep the standard of living up - America is still a great market.

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-04-06 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: The Immigration Bill: I Like!

Don't say fiscal conservative.  

You're fiscal responsible.  

I usually don't ever criticize minor stuff, but to me, this is kind of important.  

by Eric11 2006-04-06 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: The Immigration Bill: I Like!

I am a fiscal conservative.

Living wage is the cheapest way to boost the economy.  Small business is next.

Balance the budget, cut off stupid stuff like going to war on innocent countrys. Shut down the federal reserve, we don't need banks within train ride for shipping gold bricks around. Keep a couple branches open so that they can set policy and run their data center and server rooms.

My approach saves millions, and spends where it counts. I'm for universal healthcare as long as the govt. is able to barter - healthcare industry doesn't need regulation it needs price control.
Market forces like the biggest buyer ever, would shut down the wierd price games everyone is playing in healthcare. So you spend there, so what.

Conservative means you can conserve, it means you're green. I like the word.  

Bush republican means you can't think your way out of a paper bag.

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-04-06 11:06AM | 0 recs
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Turner you sound like a real patriot.  Did you lose your lunch when you heard about Bush being right in the middle of the security leaks?
I guess we all knew he was but I never expected any proof.  
by blackmanredstate 2006-04-06 03:28PM | 0 recs


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