Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Josh Marshall on Friday spread the falsehood that a woman (Gayle Quinnel) who spoke to John McCain that afternoon had called Barack Obama an "Arab terrorist."

The video, however, shows the woman called Obama an "Arab", which is admittedly false, but not "Arab terrorist".

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Marshall's "lie" and other recent examples of bad journalism on his part have led the exasperated Bob Somerby, creator of the Daily Howler website, to call for Marshall's early retirement.

It's time for Josh to go: Then there's Josh, continuing downward in his own astonishing spiral. This post is simply astounding. It represents an astounding moral/intellectual breakdown. It's time for this guy to go.

Please note: That 75-year-old woman called Obama an "Arab," not an "Arab terrorist." (Not that it hugely matters.) The latter claim began with the endlessly hapless Ana Marie Cox, who engaged in some typically lazy "quotation" (click here), then disappeared for the weekend. (She finally corrected her error this morning, some three days later.) As Wonkette, Cox endlessly played the "dirty girl;" today, she masquerades as a "journalist." But Josh has become a black helicopter-level nut, as he displays in that ludicrous post. How does Josh do business these days? Even when the tape made it clear that Quinnell hadn't actually said the word "terrorist," Josh kept pretending that she might have done so, suggesting that the microphone might have magically turned itself off--no doubt when the black choppers swooped by the event. And he linked you to a tape/transcript of later interviews with Quinnell, saying that she called Obama a "terrorist" there. Except that simply isn't true either (a point which Cox also fudges today, as her own misstatements continue). For some unknown reason, Josh was determined to peddle this utterly pointless "lie." He was willing to play the consummate fool to keep this in circulation. (Since "lie" has become Josh's favorite word, he won't mind our using it there.)

Upon learning he was wrong, Marshall then told another LIE by claiming that the woman insisted in a post-meeting interview that Obama was a "terrorist". But the transcript of Quinnel being interviewed by one Noah Kunin proves this to be false as well:

Noah Kunin( The UpTake):  Do you volunteer at the Republican Party Headquarters or the McCain Campaign office over in Burnsville?

Quinnell McCain.  McCain Headquarters in Burnsville.

Noah: The McCain headquarters.

Quinnell It's out over by , over by that post station there.

Noah: Yeah, I know which one you're talking about.  And just to be sure to make sure we got your quote OK, you called Obama and Arab terrorist?

Quinnell ardon?

Noah: You called him an Arab terrorist?  Is that correct?  Why do you think he is an Arab?

Quinnell Because his dad is.   If you... I'll send you the paper.

As you can see, Quinnel answered the question of why she thought Obama was an Arab. The scurrilous Noah, of course, knew he had screwed up as reflected by the fact that he did not ask "why do you think he's an Arab terrorist". He chose to chop off the "terrorist" part that he knew she had never uttered.

How slick.

Tags: Media Bias (all tags)

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44 Comments

Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

What?

by NewOaklandDem 2008-10-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
Nice spin...

Tp quote the article you linked, but distorted:

In the next clip McCain is speaking up close with a woman in the audience who says she can't trust Obama and then blurts out that it's because he's "Arab". Some reports have it that she said 'Arab terrorist'. But at least on this tape only 'Arab' is audible.

Josh said SOME reports have it, but on the tape only Arab is audible.

This is VERY Republican of you.

You take a SMALL slice of the story, and use it to BASH the entire story, then use it to your REAL ends, to discredit someone you have a grudge with?

Dan Rather, anyone?

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice spin...

Why did Marshall claim that the woman "insisted" in the post-meeting interview that Obama was a terrorist, when in fact she did not?

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice spin...

By the way, I'd like you to tell me whether you think the lady called Obama a terrorist, during or after the town hall meeting.

Then, tell me how a blogger of Josh's caliber can't wait till he verifies a claim like that instead of spreading BS.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Fat chance.  And while we're on the subject we owe Talking Points Memo, and Josh, a debt of gratitude for their courageous lead on the Federal Prosecutor/Justice Department story last year, those are serious issues and TPM's brand of investigative reporting is essential in exposing and publicising these stories.  Unlike many blogsites which simply generate 'opinion' and cite one another in an endless scatter diagram of hyperlinks, TPM is genuinely doing what used to be called 'journalism.'

Josh ultimately retracted his assertion, in any case, and the misquoting of a rally attendee is hardly earth-shattering stuff.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-10-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

The reporting on the attorney scandal was fantastic.  On a political note, it could lead, somewhat indirectly, to New Mexico being represented entirely by Democrats at the federal level.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-10-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Heather Wilson?

You telling me Heather Wilson might get knocked off?

Oh, please, there is a God!!!!!!!

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Heather Wilson?

Pete Domenici was also directly involved.  He's retiring this year.

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-10-13 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Heather Wilson?

Heather Wilson is evil.  She's like an older, less cheery version of Nancy Pfotenhauer.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-10-13 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Whatever contributions TPM has given the nation, Josh Marshall lied through his teeth.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Sounds like you're angry about something but I can't see why this would be it.  What's the issue?  There was an original twitter from an eyewitness, Ana Marie Cox, which started the whole thing.  Josh was just 'reporting' an eyewitness account.  He later reviewed the ambiguous video and ultimately retracted, and he wasn't the only one to repeat the Cox assertion.  Is this really worth having a big argument over, never mind a 'circular firing squad' diary?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-10-13 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Shaun, you are pretending that Marshall never gave us his own opinion, but he did:

"he gist is that Quinnell apparently did say "Arab terrorist."

Then he idiotically followed immediately with a contradictory statement claiming that it was" unclear" whether she said terrorist or not.

Make up your mind, Josh. Was it apparent or unclear? And if it was unclear? Why not delete the slanderous, baseless "apparent" claim?

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Well we've now reduced the argument down to a point of contention so trivial as to be hardly worthy of a comment, much less a diary or any degree of indignation, self-righteous or otherwise.  Josh's 'opinion' was largely based on the twitter post cited and was immediately qualified with a frank admission of 'unclarity.'  Don't we both have better things to do?  I certainly have.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-10-13 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

No. Josh's opinion was based on watching the video. He tells us to see the video that he embedded, then tell us that it was "apparent" that she said terrorist.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

In Josh's article that you link to he says:

In the next clip McCain is speaking up close with a woman in the audience who says she can't trust Obama and then blurts out that it's because he's "Arab". Some reports have it that she said 'Arab terrorist'. But at least on this tape only 'Arab' is audible.

Josh has done some incredible work on his blog, it's going to take a lot more than this little thing to make me lose the deep respect I have for him and his blog.

by skohayes 2008-10-13 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

You conveniently ignore that Marshall claimed that the lady "insisted" in the post-meeting interview that Obama was a terrorist.

Do you know what "insisting" means? It's to stick to one's previous claim.

Marshall believed the lie and did nothing to debunk it. Instead, he chose to make us believe that the microphone miraculously got turned off just long enough for the lady to have said the word that Josh wanted her to say: Terrorist.

Puhlease.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

in·sist    
-verb (used without object)
1. to be emphatic, firm, or resolute on some matter of desire, demand, intention, etc.: He insists on checking every shipment.  

It seems that you have some sort of problem with Josh, in that you are unable to read his posts clearly.

You can see the video I've embedded below. The gist is that Quinnell apparently did say "Arab terrorist." (ed.note: It would be more accurate to say that she insisted he was one in the interview. It's unclear from interview whether she actually used the second word with McCain.)

Either way, you don't seem to be convincing anyone here.

by skohayes 2008-10-13 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Two questions, Skohayes.

1-) Why did Marshall say the following day that "You can see the video I've embedded below. The gist is that Quinnell apparently did say "Arab terrorist.". What was "apparent" about her calling Obama terrorist? And aren't you trying to tell us that he simply spoke about "some reports" rather than his own opinion?

2-) Why did Marshall falsely claim that Quinnell called Obama a terrorist during the post-meeting interview, when in fact she didn't? (See transcript in my diary).

I know it's hard to debunk strong evidence like the one supporting this diary, but just try a bit.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Oh yeah, her's the link to the Saturday follow-up post: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archive s/223708.php

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

By this standard there would be no journalists.  Don't know what your real beef is, but it's kind of fun to watch you hyperventilate.

by niksder 2008-10-13 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

By the way, Marshall did say the next day that he believed the lady had said "terrorist" in the video.

And I quote:

You can see the video I've embedded below. The gist is that Quinnell apparently did say "Arab terrorist."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archive s/223708.php

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

It's unclear from interview whether she actually used the second word with McCain.

That's the next sentence you conveniently left out.

by skohayes 2008-10-13 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

October 11th:

"You can see the video I've embedded below. The gist is that Quinnell apparently did say "Arab terrorist."

--Josh Marshall.

That's the post that you are conveniently not reading.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archive s/223708.php

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

By the weay, imagine if I said, "Brandon's mother is apparently a prostitute, but it would be more accurate to say that it's not clear whether she's a prostitute or not".

Why would even include the slanderous quote if I know I have no evidence of Brandon's mother being a prostitute?

Marshall was itching to make his readers believe the lady said "terrorist".

What a "professional".

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

"By the way", typo.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 03:58PM | 0 recs
Commenter asks &quot;truthseeker77&quot; to retire

Please?

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-10-13 03:29PM | 0 recs
Not sure where Josh Marshall sits...

On the Puma Enemy list, but I have a feeling it is WAY below Donna Brazille and Howard Dean.

I guess, with Obama winning, something has to fill their empty lives...

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-13 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

I see by your posts over at TPM, you're a real popular guy.
Did you get banned and come over here to find more "lefties" to stir up?

Obama himself told fring lefties such as TPM'ers and Kossacks to stay away from stories such as the Palin pregnancy story.

Was his call for civility unconvincing?

Posted by truthseeker77

(I think he meant "fringe lefties")

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/20 08/10/obama-campaign-lies-again.php

by skohayes 2008-10-13 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

I'm not sure its fair to assume that any "truthseeker77" is the same as this one right here claiming that:

"It's not Obama's fault that Hamas endorsed him. But Hamas' endorsement is fair game, as critics may point out that Obama's positions attract terrorist groups."

and wondering if he can be sued for posting half-naked pictures of his ex-girlfriend on the internet along with her phone number.

by the mystical vortexes of sedona 2008-10-13 04:31PM | 0 recs
Troll

>:^(

by Spiffarino 2008-10-13 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

huhwat?

by Skaje 2008-10-13 04:36PM | 0 recs
you and Somerby need a laxative

Big deal.  OK, two minutes to Marshall for getting too excited.  But you and your pal want to cut his nuts off.

For this woman, saying Arab terrorist would be redundant.  

by mboehm 2008-10-13 04:36PM | 0 recs
Daily Howler?

Gimme a break.  That guy's just a ranter, like Lewis Black but not even as funny.

by failsafe 2008-10-13 05:10PM | 0 recs
Wow

Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-10-13 05:34PM | 0 recs
I'd like Somerby to retire

he hasn't been good in about 6 years.

by JJE 2008-10-13 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

I read all of those posts on TPM as they came out and Marshall clearly stated that he wasn't absolutely sure what was said. Bob Somersby needs to get a life, the guy has been losing it for years. He occasionally provides lucid analysis but often delves into weird vendettas like this one. Always take the Howler with a huge grain of salt would be the moral of this story.

by Planet B 2008-10-13 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

No, Planet B. You are not being honest, because Marshall tells us that in the post-meeting interview the lady called Obama a "terrorist", when in fact that's not true. Did you read my diary?

Did you read the transcript of the post-meeting interview?

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

I'd say rightwing nutjob, and not even all that entertaining as far as they go.

by failsafe 2008-10-13 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

Wow.

Note, once again, the irrational hatred of "Pelosi", and the shameless swinging on Bob Summersby's tip.  Do they produce like one, long diary at big pink and send these guys to cut and paste a random section when they run out?  Because it all sounds like it's from the same person.

Pelosi involved in scandal: Paid husband with PAC funds
October 1, 2008, 11:17AM

Pelosi, you idiot: Obama has repeatedly warned against using a harsh tone
September 30, 2008, 7:15AM

Obama can't keep his promises
September 28, 2008, 1:45PM

Obama ad lies about McCain's position on stem cell research
September 25, 2008, 11:46AM

Americans Like Bush Better Than They Like Democrats in Congress
September 23, 2008, 9:11PM

47% believe media is too liberal; 13% say too conservative (Gallup)
September 22, 2008, 9:37PM

and easily, EASILY my favorite:

We Democrats should stop hacking into people's emails/[!!!!!]
September 18, 2008, 9:53PM

What can I say.  I think, first of all, we Republicans should stop sucking off poodles.

by Jess81 2008-10-14 03:06AM | 0 recs
Of all the journalists to retire

and all the reasons to retire them, you picked THIS?

Do something useful, and get Sean Hannity retired.

by Neef 2008-10-13 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Of all the journalists to retire

Lying is bad.

by truthseeker77 2008-10-13 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Of all the journalists to retire

Get to work.

by failsafe 2008-10-13 07:08PM | 0 recs
Let's see ...

So you're saying Josh lies ...

And here you're saying Obama lies:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/20 08/10/obama-campaign-lies-again.php

For some reason, I wasn't able to find the diary where you accuse Howard Dean of lying.  

by Chino Blanco 2008-10-14 12:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Media critic asks Josh Marshall to retire

What a colossal bore.

by Jess81 2008-10-14 03:07AM | 0 recs

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