once again I say its pretty hard to convince the the DNC and uncomitted supers to seat FL and MI as is, when your own camp doesn't agree on what to do
mer senator and Democratic presidential aspirant George McGovern says he sees some striking similarities when it comes to his run at the White House and that of Sen. Barack Obama. But ultimately, McGovern argues, Obama has organized a much wider political coalition and thus a greater chance of electoral success.
its best when Clinton backers say these things, 1) he is an announced Clinton backer, pretty hard for Carville to go on tv right now and call him a judas.
But McGovern, who lost the 1972 election to incumbent Richard Nixon by landslide margins, doesn't attribute his defeat to merely the contours of his political base. Indeed, he argues that his candidacy was damaged more by the infighting that occurred within the Democratic Party even after he had secured the nomination.
"After I had the nomination won and everything except the crowning at the convention, the other candidates that I had defeated in the primaries and the caucuses ganged up on me and spent the next month just bad mouthing me around the country," he said. "And, of course the Nixon people used some of the quotes and threw them back at me in the general election."
oh hey and he speaks about changing the rules mid way through
This, however, is not the only similarity McGovern draws between his run for the White House and the current process. In '72, after he won the California primary and clinched the nomination, McGovern's Democratic opponents argued that the delegation should have been rewarded on a proportional basis, rather than winner-take-all. It was, McGovern says, a changing of the rules in mid-game that resulted both in the weakening of his campaign and his limping into the convention. Thirty-six years later, he sees parallels with the Clinton campaign's push to count the results of the non-DNC-sanctioned Florida and Michigan primaries.
"We can't overturn those rules now that the counting is over," he said.
once again this is only 1 man's opinion but it is really hard to argue to seat FL and MI, when suppoters in your own camp don't agree with it.
If people who are supporting Hillary don't agree what about those Uncommitted supers who are hesitant to do so?
but what does he know about super delegates and their role in the process?
It's not the only process issue on which McGovern, who has endorsed Clinton, finds himself at varying odds with the New York Democrat. On the topic of superdelegates, which were created as a concession to the primary reforms that McGovern initiated, the South Dakotan argues that these party insiders must take into strong consideration the pledged delegate tally.
I think it means more when people who support Clinton say these things because its harder for other Clinton supporters to just dimiss it.
sorry but I think McGovern carries more weight then Alegre.
Despite these differences, McGovern is not backing away from his support of Clinton. He deems her "one of the most talented, articulate and well-informed people in the country," whom he has known for 35 years, since she worked on his campaign in Texas. And he expects her to stay in the race at least until the last primary commences in his home state. But in the interim, he hopes, the tone and tenor of the campaign will be ratcheted down a notch,
but hey if the supers and her own backers don't agree with her on FL and MI, whats the best course of action to get those supers on your side?
push the issue
Despite Clinton's claims, Florida's status in picking the Democratic presidential nominee remains in question and the Pennsylvania contest did little to change that.
A spokesman for Clinton said the campaign is waiting for the Democratic National Committee to take up an appeal, filed on the state's behalf by committee member Jon Ausman, who argues that national party rules require at least half of the state's delegates to be seated.
It's unlikely the appeal will be considered before the last primaries are held on June 3. Nelson and U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings, who sued the party claiming that the DNC was disenfranchising voters, have accused the committee of keeping the appeal ``under a cloak of secrecy''.
But DNC spokeswoman Stacie Paxton said the co-chairs of the DNC's rules and bylaws are reviewing the recommendation and will make it public ``when they decide how to proceed.''
Other Florida Democrats -- led by Hillary Clinton supporters -- are turning to public protests to keep the pressure on the national party.
Rallies are planned Saturday in seven Florida cities, including Miami and Fort Lauderdale, to demand that the national party count Florida's delegates. Hundreds of activists are also expected to ride buses to Washington to rally Wednesday.
''This has to do with our civil rights,'' said Millie Herrera, a potential Clinton convention delegate and the president of the Hispanic Democratic Caucus of Florida. ``No one has the right to invalidate our votes.''
I am pretty sure the DNC supers who remember Terry helping them write the rules, remember Howard Ickes voting with them to strip them, and remember Hillary agreeing to honor their decision all want to jump to endorse her when they do stuff like this.
but we shall see what happens won't me.
p.s. magic number is at 62