Palin: Did she just lose them the election?

now now before you troll me here me out, I know things can change and I ensure you they will have to try and rebrand her again. But as it is right now she just lost them the election.

First they lead into her with Romney and Rudy, basically putting the country on notice, We Are Republicans And We Mean Business.
They GOP is basically telling us now, that the culture wars are back and they mean it.

Then they go into the prime time hour, the thing millions of American's are going to see, is nothing but Rudy and Palin non-stop attacking democrats and anyone who is NOT a Republican.
And Rudy really screwed it up, because he ran long and they didn't play her video. Her Video was suppose to make America fall in love with her, anyone remember, Michelle's, Hillary's, Joes, and Obama's from last week? They NEEDED that video tonight to introduce her, espeically if this was how she was going to come out. She gave no substance, nothing but attacks, she showed us she was a hard right Republican, and she means business.

Now her base loved it. she is getting rave reviews from the right. This from says it all "Sarah Palin. An Amazing, Historic, Epic Win." but here is the problem. In their sheer hubris is all I can say, they seem to think that they are still the majority in this country. What they are ignoring is they are turning off every non-republican in this country. Since the convention and Sarah's introduction, Obama has taken the lead in independents and increased his Democratic numbers.

The GOP has seem to have forgotten that Sarah was suppose to reach out to independents and the frustrated Hillary supporters, because there aren't enough GOP voters anymore their party numbers are down. but instead they are now stuck with the 2004 strategy of excite the base and get out to vote.

But this is not 2004. This time Democrats are the better organized ones, and its well known McCain's ground game in states is actually pretty lacking.  And there are now more Democrats then Republicans, and with Independents now turned off by the hard right turn of the ticket, where are they going to get enough base voters?

Gov. Palin excites the base, indeed, but in doing so she is turning off Independents, and uniting the Democrats, and if we outnumber them and have the better ground game, and McCain is now picking a fight with the media...

Did Palin just cost McCain this election?

but that's just my opinion, whats yours?

Update [2008-9-4 2:36:25 by TruthMatters]::

There was a focus group done right after it here some key parts

In the "married" group, when one attendee kicked off the discussion by saying "she's a good speaker, and a crowd pleaser," the rest of the room articulated their agreement. "I didn't expect to be as impressed as I was," said another respondent. But then another woman added: "Once she started mudslinging, I thought, it's the same old crap as other politicians. McCain used her to get the women's vote. And she's using McCain."

"Thank you," another woman responded. "That really upset me; there was no need for that. It was snippy."

The unmarried group also voiced similar objections to the harsh, partisan edge of Palin's remarks. "I'm not impressed with her at all as a person," one said, citing her "finger pointing" and general sarcasm after the group had generally agreed that she was a talented public speaker.

Still not all focus group members thought Palin came off too harsh. "She didn't seem very aggressive to me at all," said one unmarried participant.

But in both groups, narrow majorities said they held a more negative view of Palin after her speech. "She comes off pretty cutthroat," said one.

exactly in the end she comes off as a Republican, and when the country is tired of them, how is this a good thing?

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solid observation

The video probably would have made her more appealing.

The McCain campaign seems to be rallying the base with no obvious move to win the "swing" voters necessary to put 'em over the top.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: solid observation

The video would DEFINITELY have made her more appealing, and it was a huge mistake to simply not find a way to cut about 5 minutes of the speech instead of leaving it out.

by vcalzone 2008-09-03 09:30PM | 0 recs
one more reason to question McCain's


Competent people have competent campaigns.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 09:41PM | 0 recs
McCain is beginning to lose the experience

advantage, too. That same focus group showed that more of the women thought that Obama/Biden was the more experienced ticket. That is a dramatic reversal from the past.

by Lolis 2008-09-04 05:36AM | 0 recs
the lesson of doing angry humor

This is what I wrote on Kevin Drum's new blog.

Having the bio before the speech serves a couple purposes.

It would have given Palin more credibility.

And it would have gotten the audience on her side.

My brother does stand-up comedy. He explained to me the rule for angry humor is to get the audience on your side before doing your angry jokes.

Palin's speech was clearly an angry speech. The GOP true believers are already angry (maybe they should consider that getting Right Wingers elected isn't going to make them less angry if the Bush & GOP Congress thing didn't work, but I digress).

I think Americans across the political and economic spectrum feel anxious. And they are open to persuasive arguments about who is to blame.

But Palin probably didn't persuade anybody for a few reasons. And a big reason why it wasn't persuasive is Rudy nixed the video to get people invested in Sarah Palin emotionally before she explained to the audience whom to blame for their anxieties and anger.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-04 10:12AM | 0 recs
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we will see that video one day and go oh yeah that's nice, and realize it won't have the same impact seeing it AFTER that speech.

they showed it flat, they will reignite the culture wars to win here.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-03 09:34PM | 0 recs
You share my opinion and I share yours

This got MOST Republicans on board. It didn't get Independents, and it DAMN SURE didn't get Democrats. The polls have been responding not only to Palin's negatives, but also to the way Obama has conducted himself. Nothing but pure class and non-controversy. THAT is what the country is looking for. Obama has managed to not only hold onto the mantle of change, he's essentially stolen the crown of stability as well.

It is not going to be that difficult to beat Palin during the debates. She clearly likes to get nasty, and she thrives on being confrontational. If Biden is charming and calm while demonstrating exactly how much more of a grasp he has on the issues, he will win easily, because Palin will shoot herself in the foot. You just watch.

Underneath her chipper exterior lies a cold-hearted human being that is a political shark. If you give her enough room, she'll let it out.

by vcalzone 2008-09-03 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: You share my opinion and I share yours

I don't know about that. My wife and I are 'independent' (although we've mostly supported Democrats in the past). She sure impressed us.

I am really looking forward to the Biden/Palin debate :-)

Pity there won't be a Obama/Palin debate, that would be cool.

by kristoph 2008-09-03 10:39PM | 0 recs
Re: You share my opinion and I share yours

What specifically impressed the two of you?

The outright lies, or the lack of substance?

by fogiv 2008-09-03 10:56PM | 0 recs
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I was most impressed by the fact that she didn't verbally express her belief that women who are raped should not have the option of an abortion.  She's amazing!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-03 11:04PM | 0 recs
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I was impressed that she was able to resist the urge to burn books on stage.

by fogiv 2008-09-03 11:42PM | 0 recs
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I was impressed that she managed to stave off the urge to carry out personal family vendettas for 35 minutes.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-09-04 12:35AM | 0 recs
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Uhhh, what's with the zero??

by fogiv 2008-09-04 08:17AM | 0 recs
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You're getting zeroed by a troll who has a sockpuppet (shattertheceiling) uprate their posts to get trusted user status.

I wish it wasn't so easy to do this, if you check their histories it literally took just three posts uprated by shattertheceiling before hrthis got trusted user status.

by Skaje 2008-09-04 10:38AM | 0 recs
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Figures.  Pathetic.

by fogiv 2008-09-04 10:50AM | 0 recs
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Or the fact that absolutely none of it came from her own head?

by vcalzone 2008-09-04 04:04AM | 0 recs
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You forgot to update us and let us know if anyone here said anything mean recently that forced you to donate another $100 to McCain?  If not, let me give it a shot:

I think it's bad that Palin tried to use her power to have books banned at the library... did that make you donate, or should I make a comment about how ridiculous Palin is in thinking that Intelligent Design has a place in science curriculum?


by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-03 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: You share my opinion and I share yours
I'm impressed that during that speech, not one sentence focused on the problems that are facing Americans today.
Think McCain is clueless about the economy? Palin has been governor of a state that is swimming in revenues from a windfall profits tax (which Obama supports, but McCain doesn't), but ironically, energy prices are so astronomical up there, most of it is going back to residents to heat their homes this winter.
by skohayes 2008-09-04 04:57AM | 0 recs
Yeah, color me curious

as to specifically what impressed you.  

by GRO 2008-09-04 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: You share my opinion and I share yours

10 McPoints for you!

by John in Chicago 2008-09-04 07:18AM | 0 recs
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I thought she lost the election for McCain the day he picked her.  Still do.

But, in the immediate aftermath, I'm dismayed at the lack of class and personal respect on the Republican side.  The dems made sure to attack McCain's policies and judgment, and not attack him personally.  

I'm also dismayed as the ugly head of cultural/racial politics reared its ugly head again, as the repubs went back to their old playbook, figuring if they can't win over the American people, divide them, set them against each other, and dominate, bully, mislead, and intimidate their way to victory, ala George Bush.

What do you know, Obama is right, McCain is more of the same.  

I just hope it doesn't work in 2008 like the way it worked in 2004.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-09-03 09:44PM | 0 recs
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But, in the immediate aftermath, I'm dismayed at the lack of class and personal respect on the Republican side.  The dems made sure to attack McCain's policies and judgment, and not attack him personally.

It's simple:  Democrats see Republican candidates as opponents, worthy of respect.

Republicans see Democrats as the enemy, worthy of nothing but contempt.

(P.S.:  Recall that many of these Republican activists adopted their political philosophy after reading Ayn Rand, where contempt for those lesser than you is an ethical imperative.)

by JDWalley 2008-09-04 03:32AM | 0 recs
what gets me about all this...

I'm dismayed at the lack of class and personal respect on the Republican side

oh, you mean like how the Obama supporters treated Hillary?  That kind of respect.

Uh, yeah.  

by SoCalVet 2008-09-04 05:28AM | 0 recs
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I try not to have a lot of hate in my heart.  But these cynical monsters inspire nothing else.  

by tired of dynasties 2008-09-03 09:50PM | 0 recs
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I'm with you Truth. They really think that this kind of cultural attack campaign is going to work in 2008 and I bet that it doesn't sell well this time around. The lack of the video was definitely problematic as somebody just watching that speech without the warm and fuzzy intro would think she was a very angry, caustic person. Not an appealing face for America.

by wasder 2008-09-03 09:53PM | 0 recs
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They didn't show their video because Rudy went into overtime with his rabid, angry, old school Republican attack and smear.  How ironic.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-09-03 10:39PM | 0 recs
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Rudy went into overtime with his rabid, angry, old school Republican attack and smear.

Thank you for giving me the correct line to use when talking about Rudy's deranged ranting.

Rabid, angry, old school Republican attack and smear.

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-03 10:47PM | 0 recs
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I was flipping back and forth between C-Span and another channel waiting for the speech, and was thinking, why can't anyone shut Rudy up?

by skohayes 2008-09-04 05:00AM | 0 recs
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I was thinking Rudy is sure giving Cheney a run for his money in my mind for top SILF (Scum I'd Like to Fry)

by GRO 2008-09-04 05:04AM | 0 recs
My wife voted for Hillary

and at about 15 min into the speech she got so mad she had to leave. Now, hours later, I am still hearing (bad things) about Palin.

The pure attack approach was a mistake, I think.

by Neef 2008-09-03 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: My wife voted for Hillary

I didn't like her either...but that doesn't mean that I have forgiven the Obama campaign and the Obama supporters for the treatment the Clintons were given.

I still won't vote for Obama...EVER.

by SoCalVet 2008-09-04 05:30AM | 0 recs
Yeah, betray the causes

Clinton holds dear.  Well, it may not be guns or religion, but you seem to be clinging to something out of bitterness.

by corph 2008-09-04 05:46AM | 0 recs
It's not about Obama

you weren't voting for him anyway (as you say).

The fact that you don't like her underlines their mistake. You had every reason to like her, and were probably predisposed to (as an Obama alternative).

No, they blew this. Or gave up intentionally.

by Neef 2008-09-04 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: My wife voted for Hillary

That is your right, of course. Still, I would like for you to think real hard when the actual Obama campaign said something  really bad about Hillary, as opposed to Obama supporters.
And then I want you to think about the many malicious things that came out of the Hillary campaign and her supporters, like Bob Johnson hinting at Obama's drug use and Hillary making that lovely remark about her and McCain being ready for President and Obama  making a speech.

There was dirt on both sides in the primary. You really need to get over it and realize that not voting for Obama means that you are supporting "Drill, Baby, Drill" .....

by xodus1914 2008-09-04 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: My wife voted for Hillary

You know, I supported Hillary in the primaries. At times I told myself I would never vote for Obama, etc...

However, after yesterday, the choice is so clear. Do you want someone like Sarah Palin, an ignorant, inexperienced conservative zealot to be a breath away from the Presidency?

I would rather vote for Obama holding my nose, than the McCain/Palin ticket anyday. Helping get McCain/Palin elected goes against everything the Democratic Party stands for. Even if you despise Obama, if you care about the issues both he and Hillary care for, you won't vote against him.

by leozh 2008-09-04 08:59AM | 0 recs
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I know the traditional campaign role of VP is attack dog, but I think McCain needed something else. He already had the republican support, he needed SOME additional appeal to the indies he's been losing.
Obviously, that's not Palin. She came across as sarcastic and caustic and flat-out mean-spirited. I mean, mocking community organizing? What next, saying that volunteering is for wussies?  
by EvilAsh 2008-09-03 10:15PM | 0 recs
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I don't see how it's a game changer just to have a fresh face to spew Republican talking points. She brought nothing new to the table like Obama did four years ago, with his vision of One America. To a party that had been flirting with the image of Two Americas via the Edwards campaign, it was somewhat gutsy and kind of showed us the way to a new way of framing our ideals.

I had a huge fear that Palin might be a Republican version of Obama, being able to express her ideals and dreams for the country in a palatable, even beautiful way, which, combined with her freshness and youth would point the Republican party off of the broken record they've been playing for years and to which the public has finally caught on. But, no, it was just more of the same -- mean, petty, visionless.

by indythink 2008-09-03 10:42PM | 0 recs
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Yes, I think that, had she used the speech to present herself as a charming, spunky down-home average American, reassure those uncertain about her that she had the gravitas to lead the nation in the event of McCain's demise, and give some sense of herself as a true "compassionate conservative" (something which, ironically enough, her daughter's pregnancy would have made easier), showing a "servant's heart" rather than just paying lip-service to it, she could have established herself as possibly the "2004 Obama" of 2008, and really been a "game-changer."

But the decision to simply make her another attack dog will accomplish none of those things, and will possibly turn off as many or more of those on the fence who might have been swayed to the McCain side as she attracted from the hard-line "base."  And even if, by some chance, she turns out to be an exceptionally effective attack dog and helps McCain win, it will be hard for her to re-invent herself enough to help her political career in the future.  She'll always be seen as just a "hatchet-woman," when she could have been much more.

by JDWalley 2008-09-04 03:44AM | 0 recs
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well said, indythink

by Lolis 2008-09-04 05:39AM | 0 recs
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I think the Palin pick is uniting the Democrats as much as it is uniting the Republicans.

This is why we are so different than them.

Hateful douchebags.

You could tell Rudy was going off script and improvising a lot. Dude is addicted to the limelight. He had to get that extra cheer. He had to get that extra laugh in.

The Democrats can't even say Islamic Terrorism!!! ( CAPLOCKS!)

He seemed deranged when he uttered that line.

I did not know he went over and had not really thought about the video. Very astute observation and I agree with your take on it. You can never go wrong with a video montage that applies sappy music and heartfelt images to tug at the emotional strings.

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-03 10:44PM | 0 recs
I really can't trust my own reactions

to stuff like this--she made me want to puke on Sidney's $500 loafers.

I can only hope that voters punish this kind of behavior.

by Geekesque 2008-09-03 10:46PM | 0 recs
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You are right. I remember when the picked was announced Ambinder quoted a McCain aide who said if we win Hillary's voters we win if not we lose.

They just lost.  

I think they tried to have her be too much.She excites the far right wing but no one else. Look at gallup. She scares the crap out of independents and democrats.  Yes, she can give a good speech but that's it. What is she going to talk about on the campaign trail by herself? Is she just going to spend the whole time attacking Obama?  The problem is if people ask her questions with all the press following her she actually has to answer them.

by sweet potato pie 2008-09-03 11:25PM | 0 recs
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She may never see an unfriendly crowd, or speak to a press that isn't already awe-shucks about the opportunity to meet and greet.

Not long ago, it was found that McCain staffers tried to browbeat local press coverage by allowing access, a video taped interview, only if they agreed to let the McCain campaign view and approve footage before airing. The locals in this story didn't bend over, but my guess, my concern, is that they were a minority among small market reporters. She can see the crowds they want her to see, and get the favorable coverage they will allow.

Of course, that's just a theory.

by Pottery 2008-09-04 01:54AM | 0 recs
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scary when you have to fell the fear of trollrates at a dem site when you speak the truth about  Palin.   anecdotally, among men and women, dems and repubs, I know, palin = fail.  apparently gop pundits feel the same.  good opinion, imo  

by KLRinLA 2008-09-03 11:56PM | 0 recs
They should have just nominated Coulter

and be done with it.

Especially since conservative credentials appear to be earned based on just how much hateful, spiteful demagoguery one is willing to engage in.

I hope you're right. I hope that it's only the republicans that are energized. Sadly, after 8 years of Bush I don't have faith in the electorate. Soundbites, visuals, lies, divisive rhetoric - this apparently is what wins elections these days.

by Sumo Vita 2008-09-04 12:05AM | 0 recs
Wow, so true

thanks for crystallizing it. Coulter-with-kids.

by Neef 2008-09-04 04:43AM | 0 recs
Re: They should have just nominated Coulter
That's an excellent thought, and really hits the nail on the head.
That's a meme we need to push.
by skohayes 2008-09-04 05:03AM | 0 recs
Republicans underestimating conservatives.

I think the rightward shift of both Republicans and Democrats has placed us closer to conservative positions than  what the Republican party is currently at its "base"  It is just a matter of the proper marketing.  What McCain is running as, and what Palin is at base, is the scary Right, that even most conservatives cannot agree with.  We could probably shake loose a number of Republicans if we added economic responsibility arguments to our populist messages.

by Tumult 2008-09-04 12:23AM | 0 recs
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I really can't fathom the glowing reviews in the press. There was no substance in that speech, nothing that explained why she is qualified to be President or VP, and nothing that said she was a leader. Sure, she can spew out the snarky Republican attacks but don't you think this is a stark contrast to what we saw last week? I think they turned off a lot of Independents and moderate Democrats by introducing her in this way. I felt like I needed a shower after watching.

by Kula2316 2008-09-04 12:52AM | 0 recs
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The difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick. That was a great joke, and on the whole, much better than expected from a one-time Mayor who won an election in a landslide with 619 votes. It's the first blush, first speech honeymoon.

Now that she's shown she has real teeth and likes to use them, no one will be reticent about scrutinizing her. The expectations bar will be raised back to presidential level instead of 20 month governor of our 47th largest state population level.

Lets face it, this thing is still a gamble for the Repugs. A good gamble it appears, but still . . .

by Pottery 2008-09-04 01:37AM | 0 recs
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I really don't see this as a smart gamble for them, in any way.
Palin went on the attack. Big deal. McCain already has attack dogs. Hell, he IS an attack dog. Adding a 'Fargo' accent to the same bashing isn't going to sway the electorate. Hearing the same words out of yet ANOTHER republican mouthpiece isn't going to suddenly sway voters.
Of all the questions about her, the only one she put to rest is that she MIGHT be a perfectly nice person stuck in over her head.
But every other question, experience in foreign affairs and the economy, gravitas, ability to be president, corruption, scandal, is STILL unanswered.
And Palin just made herself a significantly less sympathetic figure.
by EvilAsh 2008-09-04 02:14AM | 0 recs
great observation!

She did nothing last night, even in her seemingly detached and disingenuous shout outs to her family, to cement herself as a sympathetic figure which was about the biggest thing we had to fear from her.

If she cries on camera now?  After last night?  who's going to buy that?

Palin presented herself last night as the girl in high school everyone loved to hate behind her back. Mean, superficial, nasal, teacher's pet, critical, harsh, evasive and never one to make you think.

Somehow she managed to take her all American family members and turn them into non-speaking roles in a Christian Broadcasting Network Christmas in Alaska special.  They might as well have been cardboard cutouts from central casting.  It was like a Norman Rockwell painting came to life and the Mom turned out to be an unmedicated manic about to throw the turkey at the son in law.

Seriously.  you are out here in middle America and in any way shape or form she came off as a loving mother?  I'm not suggesting she isn't one -- I'm saying she sure didn't look like one, referring to her kids with canned lines and zero sincerity or feeling. She didn't read like a loving mother -- she read like a cold, exploitive, perfectionist, domineering, personally ambitious mother.  

What she needed to do was take a page from Hillary -- head up, relaxed but resolved, genuinely connecting with the audience instead of speaking to it, passionate in her convictions not spewing in her invectives.

One has to wonder what that speech would have looked like without the coaching, oh my!

by GRO 2008-09-04 04:46AM | 0 recs
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My Republican 'friends' at work all agree - they'd each like to take a shot at giving the hot new veep an unwanted pregnancy.

by QTG 2008-09-04 03:53AM | 0 recs
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It's like looking at Ann Coulter- once you match the personality with the looks, she's very ugly.
But I understand that many men can only think with their "little head".
by skohayes 2008-09-04 05:10AM | 0 recs
Maybe your repub friends saw this 2008/09/sarah_palin11.jpg

Not a bad photoshop job.

by Pravin 2008-09-04 05:28AM | 0 recs
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I'm just truthfully reporting what my Republican colleagues are saying about their reaction to Governor Palin. It's nasty, but why protect them by hiding my reporting? Are you providing them cover?  

by QTG 2008-09-04 04:11AM | 0 recs
Two words: Social Security.

Make it the defining issue of this election. It's the one issue, everybody admits having a stake in.
by Bush Bites 2008-09-04 04:21AM | 0 recs
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Smarmy, smirking, dismissive, superficial, mean, finger pointing moral superiority and culture baiting?  Geez.  Where have I seen this act before?  Oh, yeah.  I remember now.  And when she shoots someone in the face it's not going to end in a simple apology.  

I don't care how many cans of homespun spunky you slather on that much hate it's not going to fly.  I'd swear she was auditioning for a cabinet position in the current administration not riding off to "reform" Washington.

She never got to substance except for less than five minutes on energy buried in 40 minutes of already widely disproven vitriole.

She essentially agitated both bases last night and thanks to Sarah Barracuda we've all been shaken awake from our post-convention stupor on the sidelines.  I expect every red-blooded liberal, progressive, Democrat and organizer in America to go out the door this morning with their heads on fire.  Awesome job on that score, Sarah.  Pissed is a beautiful thing.

Here's what I'm hoping -- that tonight half that Sarah Power is dissapated by the one man conservatives really love to hate -- none other than John McCain.  What they'll get tonight is one big fat fucking reminder of who their really out there campaigning for.

They mocked Hillary Clinton?  What, are they nuts?

To answer your question -- ignore the Red State juice over the next couple days and watch the national polling trend.  If Texas and Wyoming were swing states I'd say she gave us a problem.  Let's see how that spite and culture bashing read in Michigan.  

by GRO 2008-09-04 04:27AM | 0 recs
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From an Eagle Forum Candidate Questionnaire:

   Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

   PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

The phrase was added in 1954, but we all knew that.

ref: e_daily_dish/2008/09/palin-on-the-pl.htm l

by QTG 2008-09-04 04:38AM | 0 recs
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Do you think one of the debate moderators will highlight her ignorance of our AMERICAN history? Does she not put our COUNTRY FIRST before sports trivia or whatever she indulged in earlier in her career?

by Pravin 2008-09-04 05:30AM | 0 recs
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They didn't ask those type of questions during the beauty pageant!  What do you expect?
by ILean Left 2008-09-04 06:51AM | 0 recs
Pat Buchanan, Part Deux!

Didn't anyone in the GOP remember Pat Buchanan's crazy-ass speech during the '92 convention that came across as disastrous to millions watching on TV?

Last night's speech by the esteemed governor was hardly any different.

No, wait. Actually, it was different in one important regard: Although I never agree with Buchanan, he has that impish, happy-warrior persona that I find hard to dislike.

Sarah Palin? She came across as just plain nasty. Yes, Governor, Barack Obama was a community the late '80s and early '90s. Since then, in case you don't know, he served in the Illinois state legislature for 11 years and has been a U.S. Senator for four.

I just hope Team Obama and the media keep pressing on these four issues:

  1. She wants creationism taught in public schools.
  2. She's against abortion in all cases, even rape and incest.
  3. She's in favor of book banning.
  4. She and her husband were/are involved in the Alaskan seccesionist movement.

And this is just a trivial, pointless observation that has no bearing on anything, but was anyone else annoyed by that repeated nose-crinkle thing she did during her speech? She looked like Samantha from "Bewitched."

by BenderRodriguez 2008-09-04 05:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin: Did she just lose them the election?
Good diary, but I think you are missing the point of picking her as Veep, which I just figured out after watching the speech.
She's not here to motivate independents or swing voters- she has been chosen to loosen up the pockets and the mouths of all those evangelicals who can't stand John McCain. In that decision, she hit a home run last night.
The problem is that the Democrats have had months and months and months to organize, register voters and add millions of new voters to the Democratic side.
We keep working hard to GOTV and contribute to Obama and our favorite down ticket races, and we will beat this ticket, because the independents and most moderates will see this as exactly what it is, a rerun of the Bush (Palin)/Cheney (McCain) ticket.
by skohayes 2008-09-04 05:17AM | 0 recs
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Good point. And enthusiasm without organizational infrastructure doesn't do much for registering voters or GOTV.

by politicsmatters 2008-09-04 05:21AM | 0 recs
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exactly this is why I said they think it will be 2004 redone, except for McCain has no ground game none, and the Media is NOT done asking questions so Palin is still on the defensive about that and she has serious questions to answer before they drop it.

ok the base is excited except for we already saw McCain with close to 90% of the GOP already, so whats important then is turnout,

and people once again if this turns to John McCains GOTV vs. Obama's?

yesterday I got a text about a voter registration event going on here in Mpls with Howard Dean today, and it hit me, the text thing was a huge success, I forward that text to a few people, but if everyone in MN got it?

now on voting day we all get a text, its up to you now get out to vote and get your friends out.

and McCain what are they going to do? they have no organization.

her speech excited both bases, and it comes down to independents and GOTV, once again did she just lose them this election?

I promise you within a week, they will begin to rebrand her when they realize the country will see her now as just another attack Republican and we dont want that.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-04 05:39AM | 0 recs
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I was just over at CNN, reading comments attached to an article about the speech.
I would say about 85% of the comments are negative- including republicans (except for the crazy "Everything she said about Obama was true!!!"), mostly turned off by the negativity.
Here's a few examples:

have been watching this for days to determine how I should vote. Palin's speech has been the deciding factor for me. Aside from the issues, she has about as much experience as my next door neighbor. I can't believe she has the nerve to ignore the obvious and come out as if she isn't a bit aware of the fact that hardly anyone knows who she is and she hasn't earned the standing to be attacking other's experience. The only thing that I have seen that is similar is George Bush's complete obliviousness to the public view. Maybe like him, she only watches FOX news. I was hoping McCain would be more in tune to the American people. His judgement is a serious question

The GOP showed thier true colors tonight.

The Obama campaign has McCain all wrong. This isn't four more years of George W. Bush. This is worse.

Sorry GOP. As an independant voter I was not moved at all by Sarah Palin's Speech... actually, I was quite bored. The country is heading down a horrible path and Sarah Palin -- you said nothing to inspire me.

I was very anxious to hear Palin's speech to actually find what she is all about and am coming away very disappointed. I was actually embarrassed at certain points to be a woman myself as she came across EXTREMELY catty and juvenile. She did not show what women in power can really be, and played to the high school stereotype of the gossip game. I was expecting and hoping for MUCH more. Michelle Obama has more grace and intelligence in her little pinky than Palin displayed in the entirety of her speech tonight.

by skohayes 2008-09-04 06:19AM | 0 recs
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exactly, every non-Republican is now going, uhhh hmmmmm.

she came off way to strong, she is scaring off non-republicans,

Pumas and the GOP need to wake up, there are more democrats then republicans now, and she is scaring off the independents

51-49 is still an Obama presidency, she needs to win independents and good luck after this speech.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-04 06:34AM | 0 recs
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I think Palin won't attract many Clinton supporters, but she could appeal to rural voters and could increase turnout among evangelicals.  

Someone needs to ask WHAT CHANGE do you propose? She kept it very, very vague.  This, of course, is completely unlike any speech either Hillary or Bill Clinton ever gave.  And I'd like to see both of them out stumping for Obama, particularly in rural Ohio.

by politicsmatters 2008-09-04 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin: W. Deja vu.

She's lies right in our faces, just like Bush.  She claims Obama never refers to victory in Iraq unless it's in reference to his campaign.  This is false.  Check out his July 15, 2008 speech where he very clearly defines what "victory" means in Iraq.

She claims that the $30 billion natural gas pipeline she supported will help America reduce its dependence on energy from dangerous countries.  Problem is, the U.S. imports very little natural gas and almost all of it comes from Canada and Mexico. So the pipeline does nothing for national security.  

She's nothing new - she's W. all over again, with a dash of true trailer park just to up the entertainment value.  Hopefully the American people will be smarter this time.

by ruskin 2008-09-04 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin: W. Deja vu.

Lie in a political campaign!?  Oh my god!

There is gambling in the casino!

Can we stop acting shocked at such things and just cut out opponents heart out for a change.   I am sicking watching us get beat over the head over and over and losing elections all the while screaming "can you believe what they are doing, they are beating us over the head."  HIT BACK!

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-04 06:56AM | 0 recs
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On one hand she has a great bio and a perfect family to go with her ah sucks populist spiel.  That could be powerful with a lot of non ideological voters.  Voters who decide who they identify with or who they like and vote accordingly.

At the same time she has ignited the GOP base.  That convention hall was half empty because the base was asleep a month ago.  It is now awake.

On the other hand she looked just as light as a feather last night.   She doesn't look remotely Presidential.   She looks like a very bright, very well put together PTA mom.   I she could organize the shiite out of a bake sale.   But be President?   I have to think a lot of voters will really have to take pause.  Part of it she can't help, she has that little voice.

The bigger thing I see here is her is that it appears that he McCain camp is going to use her to 1) polish the maverick creds, and b) and perhaps more dangerous, go at Obama hard.  If Obama is forced to go back and forth with McCain inexperienced, female VP soccor mom, he isn't going to be looking very Presidential.  McCain and Biden will look like they are sitting the grown up table, and that would hurt Obama.

Still, like I told my wife, if we can't beat McCain / Palin by 5% we don't deserve the White House for another 20 years.  That is a weak ticket.

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-04 06:53AM | 0 recs
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I was shocked at how much she lied last night and used the same old Republican attacks they have used since I've been politically conscious. I don't need to go through the list of lies that irked me, I'm sure we all cringed at the same moments last night. And I still find it shocking that they try to blame democrats (and the media???) for the last disastrous 8 years under a Bush presidency. The audacity of these people still throws me off sometimes. I could never imagine standing on live television and lying my ass off.

And it just totally reminded me of why I am a democrat, and a liberal democrat at that. It's like these people live in a different world (and by the looks of the RNC, this world has very little minorities). There was no mention of the dire straits so many Americans have found themselves in. There was no mention of the high unemployment rate. There was no mention of the millions without healthcare. There was no mention of all the homes being foreclosed upon. There was no mention of all the students who cannot afford to go to college. There was no mention of the millions of parents struggling to feed their families.

And then I think about the even uglier stuff: the fact that I'm terrified as a woman that I will lose my reproductive rights. I am terrified by the fact that these people want to FIGHT to make sure that gays aren't protected under anti-discrimination laws. I am terrified by the fact that these people want to overturn so many of the basic human rights that so many COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS worked so long and hard for. I am terrified about book burning, and the irresponsibility of teaching creationism to students in a world where we have to compete with places like China in science and technology just to stay on top. I am frightened that they even use the word "victory" while fighting a war on a vague concept of "terror". I have a hard time even conceptualizing what a victory on terror would look like?!?! Who waves the white flag?

However, I did find myself agreeing with Sarah Barracuda on one point. She mentioned the story of John McCain, smiling and giving a thumbs up to his friend after being tortured. And I think that's exactly who he'll be as president. While we as Americans are being tortured by failed policies of a McCain presidency, he'll smile and give us a thumbs up.

by cecilybecily 2008-09-04 06:58AM | 0 recs
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"Drill , Baby, Drill."
Thank you, Sarah.

For energizing the Democratic Base

by xodus1914 2008-09-04 07:22AM | 0 recs


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