I see this as an insult to Hillary

You know through out the primary I said, I was ready for a woman in the white house just not THIS woman.

but Hillary earned my respect and by the end I was hoping Obama WOULD pick her because i felt she deserved to shatter that ceiling it was hers. but in the end she was not picked.

and now Palin stands in line to get Hillary's legacy? and why does Palin get it? is it because she struggled and strived to get where Hillary was? is it because she is also a strong experienced Politician who has earned 18 million votes?

no she will shatter that ceiling because McCain wants to win and is hoping enough women, will only see Palins anatomny.

I was really hoping for Hillary in 2012 (if god forbid Obama loses) or hopefulyl in 2016, the Thought that the first Woman President or Vice President will NOT be because a woman fought up and claimed it, but because McCain is hoping enough women will only think with thie ovaries,

I am seriously just heart broken that this woman will potentially take Hillary's spot in history, I just can't believe that pander like this would work, but I just don't know.

I think she is a great person and I thought she had a great future, but to take this away from Hillary because she is a woman, and hey Hillary is a woman, whats the difference?

well they cemented my support for Hillary today.

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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

An insult ... I like that angle.  That may have legs in many quarters.   That thinking could keep Democratic women in the fold and bring them home to Obama, if they haven't come home already.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 09:14AM | 0 recs
I wouldn't worry too much.

As much as I think that Palin is a credible threat, Democratic women just saw Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton tag-team the first two nights of the DNCC; if they're not onboard after that, they ain't gettin' onboard.

Palin's threat is to independant and Republican women that are turned off by McCain's crustiness.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-29 09:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Should it rather not be looked as an insult... that it took you 18 months to respect Hillary and the timing of your new found respect for her?

I admire your respect for hillary, if thats even the 'real' case and hope you're not just covering your bases because her supporters are not all aboard.

It seems everytime a woman is on the national scene, we have men trying to play other women or pit them against eachother.

by shattertheceiling 2008-08-29 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

I will freely admit held animosity toward Clinton during the height of the bitter primary.

But you don't see the important distinction? Hillary Clinton cracked that ceiling by making it on her own steam. SHE made it to where she was by the sweat of her brow. Not only that, she was fighting for the real ticket, President of the United States.

In contrast Palin did not work her ass off traveling the country for months trying to win voters. She was picked by John McCain to be his #2 and only because of Hillary Clinton's efforts.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-08-29 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

And let us not forget, she's young and pretty. She got to cut in line because she's telegenic. It's degrading. The same disgust people have about the proverbial "blond bimbos" getting undeserved promotions in their office should now apply to an inexperienced beauty queen who just got fast-tracked to the second-highest office in the land.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

yeah, is a community organizer really more of a celebrity than a beauty pageant queen?

by the mollusk 2008-08-29 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Don't forget: she was a sportscaster, too.

Can't wait to see old footage showing up on youtube.

by PhilFR 2008-08-29 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Hillary didn't get where she got because of her dimples. She got there with serious policy chops and sophisticated national and internatinal politics. And won eighteen million votes of autonomous voters of all stripes. This candidate got where she is because Hillary had made this huge hole and for reasons which work for me as well this Friday as last Friday, did not win the primary and the actual contest. This candidate had no contest, except in John McCain's mind as a candidate of opportunity.  Nothing in her record suggests that any Hillary supporter even remotely interested either in character or policy would be interested in her as a substitute.

She's a female candidate who blatantly raises the Roe v. Wade question the place of creationism in the schools and sectarian religious views as a basis for legislation in public life, and other questions that are similar These are issues important to women no matter who raises them, which will make her presence re-raise them in their own minds. True whether they ignored them or not when it was Hillary v. Obama because they thought Obama was telling them they had no choice. Now it is another woman telling them they have no choice and that will cut differently, and not necessarily in Ms. Palin's direction. Now they are looking at another woman who absolutely does not agree with them on these issues, and her party flaunting her female status as she does it.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Yup, she was the token pick just as Dan Quayle was for Bush.  

They have the similar positives and negatives.  They're both charming and attractive.  While Quayle was dumb as a post he at least had relevant experience--Palin may be bright but she has nothing else to offer the ticket...

by Tenafly Viper 2008-08-29 12:54PM | 0 recs
She was picked by McCain

to spit in the face of Hillary's supporters.

McCain: "Hey!  Dumb c***s!  Vote for me, I got a uterus right over here!"

I'll go a step futher: McCain had nothing to do with choosing her.  He's about as in charge of his campaign as I am of Barack's.  This is a pure Rovian Hail-Mary from hell.  I can just see that old sleaze chuckling over it while slipping dollar-bills into a stripper's g-string...

by chrisblask 2008-08-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

It seems everytime a woman is on the national scene, we have men trying to play other women or pit them against each other.

I couldn't agree more.  Just one more reason not to vote for McCain.

by Ponderous 2008-08-29 09:52AM | 0 recs
I like hillary!

didn't vote for her, but that was because I couldn't stand her backers, not because of her (backers!=supporters).

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-08-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

This is only tangential to the discussion at hand, but I've been reading PUMA blogs since Obama sewed up the primaries/voting portion of the campaign.  A lot of people attribute to Obama what I and others I know offline (I live in VA) felt about Hillary:  Out for self, numero uno, say anything to get elected, etc.

It wasn't until mid-August that I started thinking that Hillary would be the only viable choice for veep.

And after all she did this week to help Obama get a good start to the general, I've gained an inordinate amount of respect for her.  She put party, platform, and--most importantly!--country first.  She and Bill are serious-to-God patriots, and any complaint that I had prior to the convention has been (almost completely) wiped clean.

by doss 2008-08-29 11:16AM | 0 recs
TOKENISM.

I know Hillary Clinton, and Palin is NO Hillary Clinton. I did not intern for Hillary's Senate Office in DC because of her name, her gender, her state. I campaigned for her because I saw her in action all those years ago, and most of us who remember the 90s grew up with her as our feminist icon.

I dont have anything against Palin because I dont know her. But i disagree with everything she stands for, because they stand in the way of everything Hillary has fought for in her life.

As of just 24 months ago, Palin agreed with Obama's plan. Now it's been scrubbed from her website.
See Cached version:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wbC GTUeD1r0J:www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php%3 Fid%3D1384+palin,+obama,+energy&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

by iamold 2008-08-29 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: TOKENISM.

Wow, that's... kind of a big deal.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

This is absolutely going to bring the rest of the Clinton Democrats home.

That's why the trolls are swarming the blogs today, trying to drum up support for Palin.

by BobzCat 2008-08-29 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Hillary did not get this honor because for the last 18 months the Obama supporters told us "anyone but her". Well time to reap what has been sewn. Pity!

by 2maddogs 2008-08-29 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Hilllary was somone who fought for it, like her or hate her she earned it.

Palin was like the only women who could possibly be shot up to the national level.

the GOP will only run this as a Woman, thats it that what there VP is, leave her name blank it doesn't matter they just want the woman.

Hillary was NEVER about that, she wanted to prove she was just as good as any man, the GOP is out to prove that any Woman can get hillary voters

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Doesn't change the fact that Hillary will not get the shot due to the CDS of the Obama wing of the Democratic Party. Like I said before Pity! It would really stink if the Rep's got to put the first "non-white non male" in one of the top 2 slots. How ironic that would be!

by 2maddogs 2008-08-29 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

This should have been Hillary.

Obama goofed.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Geraldine Ferroro, dumbass.

by IowaMike 2008-08-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Uprated for comment that it would totally suck if the Repubs got the first woman into VP or Pres . . . it will take a generation for us to live that down.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Really?  I'm sort of shocked that the Democrats were the first to nominate an African American.

Same reason: women and black people are threatening - you can get the country to vote for a million Sarah Palins or Colin Powells or Kay Bailey Hutchinsons before they'll vote for the average Democratic minority.  I mean, Obama had to be JUUUUUST right - not too threatening, but not too white.  And it remains to be seen whether or not he'll succeed.

See Thatcher, Margaret.

by Ponderous 2008-08-29 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Not sure what part of the country you live in, but here in North Carolina, Democrats have had AfricanAms and women in all levels of the Executive and Legislative branches.  

I would have been more shocked to see the Rethugs nominate an AA Prez than seeing the laws of physics repealed.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 01:03PM | 0 recs
Excuse me

Palin was born Sarah Louise Heath in Sandpoint, Idaho, the daughter of Sarah (née Sheeran), a school secretary, and Charles R. Heath, a science teacher and track coach.[5][6] She has English, Irish, and German ancestry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Please explain how an English/Irish/German ancestry makes her a non-white?

by skohayes 2008-08-29 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

I thought it was her husband, not her, who was part Inuit/Native American. How is she 'non white'? And the history of the non white question will not play with the woman in those photos. This is not the time to pull out one great grand and say'non white' when culture and experience say nothing else. Has she ever had to live in any society in the capacity you claim for her?  That, in and of itself, is an insult of a high order to a lot of people unless you can prove it.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 12:40PM | 0 recs
Disagree Completely

Have you ever known mixed race couples?

As a Latino married to a non-Latina and with many mixed race friends, Asian, AfrAm, your view on this subject is misplaced.  

The experience as a non-white in American society affects you as a white woman in the marriage through experiences of your spouse and your kids and EVEN directly to you.  

Until you sit down and know what a white woman married to a minority in this culture goes through - - you're just blowing smoke.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Disagree Completely

I am a white person married to a non-white person.  I would never, ever, ever think that my experience is anywhere similar to that of a minority person in this country. Ever.

Don't try to pull this BS here.

by blueAZ 2008-08-29 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Disagree Completely

Mr./Ms. whatever you are, if you've never empathized with your spouse when he/she has experienced overt racism then you have a unique relationship with him/her.  

Most spouses feel personally, deeply and disturbingly the affects of racism on their spouses and children . . .
. . . you are surely lucky to be able to distance yourself from those feelings caused by bigots that your spouse and kids experience in life.

If you actually do empathize with your mixed race family members then you are the one pulling the BS here.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Disagree Completely

As a white person, I can't put myself in the shoes of someone who experiences racism and neither can Palin.  When I walk down the the street or apply for a job, I will never be subject to racism.

You may support Palin and the Republican ticket (or just have too much hate in your heart for Obama), but I will not allow you to champion a white Presidential ticket on racial terms.  

by blueAZ 2008-08-29 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Disagree Completely

As a white person, Do NOT purport to speak for anyone other than yourself on whether they can personally empathize with the hurt when a spouse experiences racism.  

My white wife is as indignant (and cries privately) when myself or our children experience bigotry as if the bigotry occured to herself, as has happened to us on occasion when we are together.

If you've never experienced that - then you are indeed lucky. And if you have and you can suppress the hurt then more power to you.

I support Obama/Biden moreso for Biden. . .
. . . but for you to suggest based upon your own narrow experience that Palin has no idea of what it means to feel racism while married to a Native American is just crap. CRAP

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Disagree Completely

two responses to the same person which have ended up side by side. this one is the response to the one where the poster claims spouses feel the pain of their spouse and thereby somehow become the same race as said spouse.

Empathy is not the same thing as being. Your spouse and I might empathize and share whatever portion of the pain and rage and humiliation you and my husband and children feel. But it's not the same thing and never will be because we can go somewhere where the hurt does not touch and we must walk alone as individuals with our own histories and cultures which are as much a part of race as genes, like to the bank when the white party applies the mortgage so the couple will get one. But I, for example, will never share the bone-deep joy he felt when he was in Malawi on the date it obtained its independence. And there are a lot of things about Interior Salish Indians and Scots and Welsh which he will not and no one expects him to have bone deep feelings for.

You're not being wise equating the being and the empathy although it works for a time in personal life.

if empathy equated with race, then his family might not have decided when he died that I was his mistake and not theirs, and walked leaving me to raise two children alone. He is still my beloved and will be until they day I join him on the other side, but I do not mistake myself for him nor did he for me, for in each there is an essential failure to regard the wonderful distinctiveness and autonomy of that beautiful soul over there.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Disagree Completely

I don't have to think about it abstractly. I was one for nineteen blessed years until my beloved died in 1991 of an illness he had when I first met him.

And part of what I absolutely knew is that the fact that he was AA did not make me one. Any more than my two AA great great grandparents did.

Now, I asked what made the poster say she was a non-white candidate, and if the answer is that her husband is part inuit and that's it, then she is not a non white candidate. Period.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 04:52PM | 0 recs
And as a diehard Hillary supporter

I will NOT let that happen.  There is no way in hell I will allow some right wing Buchanan supporter take away the honor that belongs to women like Hillary.

Any Hillary supporter who would do that, imo, is being horrifically crass and thumbing their nose at all Hillary has accomplished.

by Jjc2008 2008-08-29 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Run that by me again? Hillary didn't get the VP slot because Obama supporters (presumably here on MyDD) didn't want her to?

I think you underestimate Obama's ability to make his own decisions.

by PhilFR 2008-08-29 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Shhhhh!  Can't let the GOP know that us bloggers are making campaign decisions!

by chrisblask 2008-08-29 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

In hindsight, I now regret my tie-breaking vote on the VP choice. The accompanying statement is reprinted below:

"Dear OBama,

NOT HILLERY!! I dont wan't you to pick Hilery becuz she is stupid and ugly and a girl. WHy would you even want a STUPID GIRL on your ticket? They cry all the time and tell the teacher when I kick them in PE class. NO BOOBIES!! GIRLS ARE GROSS!!! You should pick another guy who is cool inted, like maybe Bidin.

SIncerly,
Me"

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-08-29 09:57AM | 0 recs
Silly Rabbit!

by chrisblask 2008-08-29 12:06PM | 0 recs
Oh shush

Hillary didn't get "this honor" because ultimately it was Obama's choice and Obama made a decision appropriate to his campaign's needs.  It wasn't a conspiracy. Nice try.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-29 09:22AM | 0 recs
And Hillary didn't want to be vetted

by BrighidG 2008-08-29 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh shush

Obama needs her on the ticket right now.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh shush

He needs her on the ticket now.

What a clusterf*ck this has turned out to be.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 10:00AM | 0 recs
You

You are so last week.

by mikeinsf 2008-08-29 10:31AM | 0 recs
Wow

What part of "No way, no how, no McCain" did you not understand?

by Dracomicron 2008-08-29 10:47AM | 0 recs
What do you care, troll,

unless you are switching sides to become a Dem?

by chrisblask 2008-08-29 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh shush

No, he doesn't. On this she is now in a weird way a free agent in search of protection of her legacy as the first one to do it by the rules and properly and get so far. I suspect that in the coming days, you will see the reasoning of women come to bear on this candidate in the way women reason, and the Repubs will discover that McCain whipping her out and saying "See, we got one too, give your support to this one here, whatever her name is" will not fly.

And the qualification issue will rise as soon as today's quote coming from her that she has to learn what a VP does before she says a lot, sinks in. Good bye experience argument. Biden could just stand there and say, listen to her and then you decide who you want to take over if an asteroid hits the presidential candidate on the two tickets.  I don't think anyone is prepared to give her a fraction of the power Cheney had, assuming he is willing to give it up. Certanly not McCain and his minders, who I think already have other nominees for the power behind the McCain throne. I see Spiro Agnew here, a hitter and high profile without any power at all.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

I think Hillary Clinton didn't get this honor because Barack Obama has a HUGE load of work to do and needs her in the senate to push it through for him.

Hillary Clinton is now the only member of the senate with a sustainable national following.  That's a big hammer she is wielding, and Obama is going to need it there far more than in the White House.

by mtnspirit 2008-08-29 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

If that's why he did give her the "honor" he probably wants to have Hillary also conceive, draw-up and execute the HUGE load of work too.

Maybe she can return the honor to him in some way but what way I don't know, maybe the convention speech alludes to something.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-08-29 10:13AM | 0 recs
TOKENISM.

I know Hillary Clinton, and Palin is NO Hillary Clinton. I did not intern for Hillary's Senate Office in DC because of her name, her gender, her state. I campaigned for her because I saw her in action all those years ago, and most of us who remember the 90s grew up with her as our feminist icon.

I dont have anything against Palin because I dont know her. But i disagree with everything she stands for, because they stand in the way of everything Hillary has fought for in her life.

As of just 24 months ago, Palin agreed with Obama's plan. Now it's been scrubbed from her website.
See Cached version:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wbC GTUeD1r0J:www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php%3 Fid%3D1384+palin,+obama,+energy&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

by iamold 2008-08-29 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

and ofcourse over at Alegre's corner they are excited yes! a Woman VP!!

so I gotta ask once again, was all this about electing Hillary, or were people right was it only about getting a Woman, ANY woman up there?

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Someone ask Alegre if there are any "Marvelous Apes" in Alaska raping women?  John McCain thinks its funny.  Maybe they can change up the joke a bit and reference instead to "Marvelous Grizzlies".

John McCain thinks its okay because he was a POW and has a maverick temper to call his wife a c*** and joke about a teenage Chelsea Clinton being ugly.

He is a monster.

But, hey. Whatever. He's white.  

by Iago 2008-08-29 09:40AM | 0 recs
Crazy thing

These are the same people that tore apart Sebelius as a VP choice because she wasn't Clinton.

They're simply incoherant.  Or Republican trolls.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-29 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Crazy thing

As I mentioned above, I "subjected myself" to a good lot of reading of PUMA sites to kind of wrap my head around what they're saying.  I did not think, until today, that any of them were closet Republicans.  

in one particular thread discussing Palin, one person struck me as a serious source of reason (Jjc something) ... she was basically saying, "Hey guys, wait a second, this isn't the sort of person I want, she's not at all my kind of politics."  Some of them were actually fine with 4 more years of Republican rule if that meant Palin vs. Clinton in 2012.... Nevermind that we're (seriously!) one justice away from abortion being flipped back to the states.  Or contraception outlawed.  Privacy rights erased.  

I don't think that people really appreciate how much we are really teetering on the knife's edge of being back in the 1950's with respect to women's rights.

by doss 2008-08-29 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Crazy thing

I "subjected myself" a few minutes ago too, and saw the closest thing to a schism I've seen so far at Alegre's troll cave (it's weird, by the way, to see a site where the primary contributers seem to be the trolls. I felt like I was being led by Virgil's ghost through some new circle of hell for people who abuse the anonymity of the internet). A couple of people expressed that they were leaning back toward democrat over the Palin choice. Someone called "grlpatriot" or something immediately started yelling at them to get the f*ck out and take it to dkos, you f*cking f*cks. Or something. I kind of doubt "grlpatriot" is legitimately either a girl or a patriot.

by kydoc2 2008-08-29 12:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Crazy thing

GrlPatriot posts here, or sounds like the same one.

She is just about Obama hate, not the democratic party, not Senator Clinton.

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-29 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Crazy thing

Sibelius had more qualifications than this one by a whole lot. This one is tooting the horn that she's a proper substitute for Hillary, and that is what her function in McCain's campaign is, the only function since teh base will like the anti liberal women's positions and she doesn't have any other which will bother them. You don't need them in Alaska.

The fact that she so plainly gets the 'no' in all the same campaign questions asked of Obama and Hillary, commander in chief on day one, etc, is both a wonderful R mocking of the entire idea of Hillary, since any female substitute regardles of cred is seen as an adequate substitute in the minds of what they hope is enough angry and gullible women to get them elected, and an admission  that the question was not real in the first place, because this is the best they can throw up there.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 12:53PM | 0 recs
Sorry, I have been there too
and you are wrong....
NOT ALL who post there are happy....a few are but please do not false generalize.
by Jjc2008 2008-08-29 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

If this is the way a woman is first elected to the executive branch, then I believe this is an apt analogy:

It's like letting your running back drive you 99 yards down the field, and then letting your second string QB sneak it in from the 1.

by freedom78 2008-08-29 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Because some asshole benched your 1st string running back...

by dtaylor2 2008-08-29 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary
No, you dumbass. Read it again. He's talking about Palin and Hillary.
Hillary's done all the hard work, Palin is getting the credit from stupid people like you.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary
Even the most transparently fake fly will hook the right kind of fish:

His speech and Palin's are pitch-perfect (4.00 / 1)
they get what has been bugging us about Obama. This is amazing.
by: catfish @ Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:50:19 AM CDT
by username 2008-08-29 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

exactly, you see people jumping online saying I saw the news, ITS A WOMAN ITS A WOMAN!!!, ah whats her name? yeah yeah her ITS A WOMAN!!!!

whats her policy? what who cares

ITS A WOMAN!!!

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Some of them even think Palin is pro-choice.  What planet are they living on?

by Skaje 2008-08-29 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

The one where McCain is both "pro-choice" and "moderate."  Unfortunately, many people live on that planet.

by username 2008-08-29 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Catfish is back?

by mikeinsf 2008-08-29 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

This was a quote from alegre's joint, but I think gatoPescado hangs here from time to time.

by username 2008-08-29 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

I think gatopescado is booted, too, after calling Todd a "fratboy" and accusing the DNC of "date rape"

by mikeinsf 2008-08-29 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

"heart broken"?   Oh puh-lease, spare us your disingenuity.    

Anyone who joined the torch-bearing rabble in burning Hillary at the stake for 8 straight months should just clam up, at this point.   Enough damage done.

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

yeah do your research before you post next time, I was one of the Obama supporters who actually DID call for a joint ticket, you know an Obama/Hillary ticket.

why don't you go vote for Palin now, she is a woman, wasn't that all that was important to you PUMAS, sure as hell can't say its the issues anymore

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Notice none of them have said they are voting for Palin, they are just, as they should be, insulted by your nerve. This post, coming from you, is absurd.

by msharp 2008-08-29 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

coming form ME? and exactly why is that absurd from me? becuase Obama is my first choice?

or because I will challenge some of the things that happened during the primaries?

once again its probably smart to know WHO you are responding to before you post,

I don't need you to believe me thats fine, but I do see this as in insult to hillary, this is basically saying hey ANY WOMAN will do, and just because I had Obama as my first choice

as a Democrat, sorry but no GOPer matches Hillary.

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Exactly.  Friggin A right.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
If you are gonna jump ship.

Do it and get out.

McSame's ideas will hurt America. He needs to be stop. You can put make up on a pig, or frosting on shit, its still a pig and shit.

by IowaMike 2008-08-29 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: If you are gonna jump ship.

you don't own the party.

Those who jump ship and come back in 2010 or 2012 will be welcome back.

Your divisive candidate should have thought before causing this rift.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-29 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: If you are gonna jump ship.

I don't own it, and my candidate didn't win.

But, as Bill CLinton put it, its okay to fall in love (with a candidate), but once the decision is made, we need to fall in line," bitch!

by IowaMike 2008-08-29 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: If you are gonna jump ship.

I don't own it, and my candidate didn't win.

But, as Bill CLinton put it, its okay to fall in love (with a candidate), but once the decision is made, we need to fall in line," bitch!

by IowaMike 2008-08-29 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

OH puh-lease spare us your disingenuous tears for Hillary.   If you joined the torchlight parade to get her burned at the stake throughout the primaries, then you have forfeited your right to opine about her one way or the other.    

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Wow, now that's some hyperbole there... "burned at the stake" and "denied the nomination" are NOT the same thing!

I very much did NOT want to see HRC get the nomination (for P or VP.) Burning at the stake I reserve for right-wing rethugs.

by PhilFR 2008-08-29 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Those who did not support Hillary and you who did always knew that there were many out there much less qualified than she is. Well, the R's have now thrown one up there and asked all HRC supporters to take her as a substitute when there is so much less there than Hillary had. We know what we are doing. What are you doing?

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

If McCain was absolutely sure he needed a woman VP, then why not someone with more experience, like Linda Lingle, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Susan Collins, Elizabeth Dole, or Olympia Snowe?

No, he went with the younger, prettier woman.  Experience be damned!

by TheUnknown285 2008-08-29 10:01AM | 0 recs
Affirmative Action

There was no qualified pro-life woman in the Republican Party, so McCain had to resort to affirmative action. Palin does not have the experience of Hillary, nor does she have the political talent that Obama has.

This is pure politics and affirmative action.

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-29 10:48AM | 0 recs
In fact, Obama has 12 years of

legislative experience. Palin has like.. 2.
Palin also has NO foreign policy experience.

I supported Hillary on the merits.

this is just blatant tokenism on McCain's part

I know Hillary Clinton, and Palin is NO Hillary Clinton. I did not intern for Hillary's Senate Office in DC because of her name, her gender, her state. I campaigned for her because I saw her in action all those years ago, and most of us who remember the 90s grew up with her as our feminist icon.

I dont have anything against Palin because I dont know her. But i disagree with everything she stands for, because they stand in the way of everything Hillary has fought for in her life.

As of just 24 months ago, Palin agreed with Obama's plan. Now it's been scrubbed from her website.
See Cached version:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wbC GTUeD1r0J:www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php%3 Fid%3D1384+palin,+obama,+energy&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

by iamold 2008-08-29 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Affirmative Action
Yeah, the republicans have always supported affirmative action.
This is about as sexist a choice as McCain could make.
He picked a young, beautiful inexperienced woman instead of a much more qualified and experienced choice like Kay Bailey Hutchison or Olympia Snowe.
Women who have serious credibility versus a former beauty queen who has been governor for 19 months of a state with lots and lots of oil revenues and 670,000 people.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 02:31PM | 0 recs
Did you notice McCain fondling his

wedding ring while she was talking? Yes, he did, yes he did! And I can't be sure, since the angle was wrong and too close for surety, but it sure seemed like he spent some time noticing her backside-- or some part of her anatomy. But I may have gone too far with that, he may have been looking at the floor or something else, and if any of you can (in fairness and decency) show that I'm wrong I will cheerfully retract that observation.

BUT-- never underestimate your enemy. Palin may indeed cause us problems, primarily by energizing Republicans/Independents who might otherwise have stayed at home. Today all the air was temporarily sucked out of the Obama campaign as far as the media is concerned, and the McCain campaign gained youth, energy and a certain amount of glamour. And Palin is no dummy.

Superficially, she was the perfect choice and she could spell danger. It's up to us Democrats to make sure it comes to naught.

by Swedie 2008-08-29 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Did you notice McCain fondling his

Yea I noticed it too!! he was STARING at her backside for 10-15 seconds... I guess he is still young at habits..

by Fistjab 2008-08-29 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Anyone want to take wagers on how many hours it is until the first bathing suit photo from those beauty contests is published. Gee, I wish I didn't have to look at a campaign bio that lists her being Miss Wasilla and a runner up to Miss Alaska right up on top. Geez. I didn't support women candidates to have to do this.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

LOL, been reading the talkleft comments, and there's a lot of appreciation there, sentiment along the lines of "at least McCain actually wants my vote".  Because when Obama picks Biden, the man who created the Violence Against Women Act, it's a snub.  But when McCain picks an anti-choice conservative who happens to be a woman, it's a good thing.

I'm not kidding.  They've completely lost it.  They're going to transfer their Hillary fixation onto Palin.

From alegre's site:

McCain/Palin in 2008, Hillary in 2012!

LOL.  More like McCain serves one term, and Palin beats Hillary.  What a bunch of short-sighted idiots.

by Skaje 2008-08-29 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

yeah I know, hey you know we will put her in the White house for 4 years, THEN we will argue experience to get Hillary?

I have no clue what they are thinking and really didn't know they had invested THIS much that they seriously think that McCain Palin can win in 08, and then some how Hillary can beat her in '12

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

It's like its a game to them and issues and policies mean nothing.  They are going to play it like a game and watch millions of hardworking Americans suffer for their childish fixation.

by Ruckus 2008-08-29 11:35AM | 0 recs
Those people do not love Hillary

They do not love what Hillary stands for, what she has fought for her entire adult life, and worst of all they do not love their country. If they did, they could not vote for someone who so directly, incorrigably opposes Hillary's deeply held convictions.

They love only themselves, their own feelings and the idea of a female-- any female-- in the White House. They are a disgrace, in my not very humble opinion, and should be dusted from our consideration like dandruff off a shoulder. Their support for Hillary was a sham.

Oh, did I mention that sometimes I can be very opinionated?

by Swedie 2008-08-29 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Those people do not love Hillary

Real democrats can disagree.

Freedom of thought is a right.

Freedom of voting is a right.

I do not support your assertion that we all need to kiss Obama's ass after he threw Hillary from the bus.

If he wanted a united party he could have acted on it.

Clearly he doesn't and you should respect your candidates decisions.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-29 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Those people do not love Hillary

I agree with your first 3 points entirely.

My candidate was Hillary. I do respect her decision, and I respect HER enough not to betray her by voting against everything she stands for and has fought for all her adult life.

If you care about yourself more than you care about the Constitution, the economy, health care, women's rights, HUMAN rights and the lives of our active duty military and veterans, then McCain is your man.

by Swedie 2008-08-29 02:03PM | 0 recs
Stop reading that stuff

Seriously, so-called Dem women who want to support McCain simply because he chose a woman vp are not Democrats any longer.

There aren't many of them and they won't have much influence on this election, they're only going to rile you up.

I'm a feminist Dem woman who supported Clinton, now supports Obama and am not about to vote GOP, not even if you tie me up, torture me and light my hair on fire.  Ain't gonna happen.

Every other Dem woman I know feels the same way. Don't worry about it.

by Betsy McCall 2008-08-29 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop reading that stuff

The men don't know but the women understand.  But I don't begrudge them needing to reassure themselves.

Guys, seriously, this is a complete nonstarter.  Besides, she's running right smack into the old taboo of the older more experienced person (Hillary, Hutchinson, just about every other woman on the fucking planet) getting passed over for the winner of the beauty contest.

If you go to those sites, don't be surprised to find people saying it's a great idea.  They're TRYING to psych themselves into voting for McCain.  For everyone else, this is a lead balloon.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Stop reading that stuff

Agreed.  It is a rather small group I imagine.  I'm feeling much more optimistic about November now, especially after hearing about some of Palin's really nutty positions (for creationism in public schools, against abortion even in case of rape, etc.)

It is best to avoid websites like those, but sometimes it's hard to look away.

by Skaje 2008-08-29 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

i do see it as an insult.

1. an insult that obama didn't even vet her

  1. an insult that dean and co. didn't stand up to the media and intraparty sexism during the primary
  2. an insult that the gop looks more like a maverick this morning with a vp choice who's a maverick of her own right while obama has a washington insider who's been in dc longer than even mccain.

if i was hillary, i'd feel insulted.

by darwinism 2008-08-29 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

If you where Hillary you would know how to use caps and would have instigated a floor fight. Thank goodness she is smarter and kinder than you.

by notedgeways 2008-08-29 11:25AM | 0 recs
Fortunately

Hillary is much smarter than you are. She knows where her priorities lie:

I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?

by skohayes 2008-08-29 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Politics never makes any sense. It didn't make any sense 18 months ago or during the primaries, and it does not make any sense now.

I guess the pendulum can swing both ways...in your favor and against your favor...

But, hey.. that's politics for ya!

I'm actually seeing the silver lining in the picks for the respective nominees...

At least, experience is no longer a valid qualifier for the highest office in the land.

by Check077 2008-08-29 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

I'd love to see Hillary take on the Palin attack dog role.  

by geverend 2008-08-29 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Why is Hillary constantly expected to save Obama's bacon?

by dtaylor2 2008-08-29 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

It is amusing. Hillary is expected to unite the party, now she has to fight the GOP's VP instead of Biden who is actually on the ticket.

by Chelsea in 2020 2008-08-29 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

No, Biden too.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Hillary, you, me, Obama, all Democrats.  It's what political parties do.

But to answer your question, it's because some people take their cues from Hillary.  Other people take their cues more from Obama.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Obama took Hillary's place in history make no mistake.

First taking her presidential spot then denying her the VP

Obama is not a boy he can be responsible for his actions.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-29 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

And now Palin is trying to take it away, without having worked for it, because the old boy nodded in her direction. No work at all. She doesn't care whether she's a token or not. She's got the nod. And as much as she can grab of the good will and sentiment meant for another woman. Sort of like a trophy wife - giving McC the benefits of Hillary's campaign without having in fact to take on Hillary to do it.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 01:20PM | 0 recs
This is an Affirmative Action Pick

Palin does not have nearly the experience that Hillary does, nor does she have the political talent that Obama has. This pick was done totally for political reasons. This is an affirmative action pick.

by Zzyzzy 2008-08-29 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: This is an Affirmative Action Pick

Well heck, when you put it that way, it's not so bad.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

McCAin just pick the A VP that will assure that Bill and Hillary go all in to stop Mcain from getting to the Whitehouse.

by Ruckus 2008-08-29 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: This is so transparent.

So many people who gleefully trashed Hillary Clinton and her supporters during the primaries are now so very anguished about her place in history being usurped.  You're only thinking of Clinton and her supporters, who are in grave danger of being manipulated by  McCain.  Well, McCain's choice IS an obvious pander and it IS insulting to Hillary's supporters, and so is your phony concern.

by half nelson 2008-08-29 12:10PM | 0 recs
Aww, all the trolls came home! How *sweet*!

Hi!  Welcome back to MyDD!

You will find the "go fuck yourself" on the table at the side of the room, and if you are still determined to undermine the Democratic ticket there is a whole bowl full of "eat shit" at the back of the room.

Please help yourselves!

by chrisblask 2008-08-29 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

This Hillary dem is now for Obama. John McCain just slapped us all in the face today with this pick of a women (no offense Mrs.Palin but you have no business mentioning 18 million cracks). Sorry but I always though this post or the POTUS would go to a Democrat. She's no Hillary and she certainly is no Michelle Obama. I am so angry today!

by Iceblinkjm 2008-08-29 12:50PM | 0 recs
Very good point

Of course its an insult to Hillary, running a less experienced woman and pretending as if she is elevated to the same stature as Hillary simply because they put her on the ticket.

Let's try to remember this.

by Betsy McCall 2008-08-29 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Very good point

Hillary played a very large part in getting the GOP to run a woman for VP.

How is that anything but a tribute to her greatness?

by dtaylor2 2008-08-29 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Very good point

They didn't run one, you twit. They appointed one. There is no woman in that party who did or could have made the primary run.

by Christy1947 2008-08-29 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Very good point

Yeah, it's great that the Republican base has come to the point where they can support a woman in the primary. I mean, the hardest choice was which of the many women in the Republican primary to support...

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-29 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Sorry, but even Hillary Clinton does not see this as an insult to Hillary.

by MMR2 2008-08-29 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

Yeah, I'm sure she's totally cool with the Governor Whatsherface borrowing her speech lines and her piggybacking on her legacy.

Remember how nominating a woman who wasn't Hillary Clinton was a touchy subject?  Now, imagine if not only had Obama done that, but that person then went and unilaterally crowned herself Hillary Clinton's heir.  Imagine Kathleen Sebelius saying "Hillary Clinton spoke of 18 million cracks.  Well, this isn't over yet!  Get on board!"

Oh, also, in my scenario, Kathleen Sebelius is a fundamentalist.

Really, I don't know why you guys are making such a big deal out of this.  ...rolls eyes...

by Jess81 2008-08-29 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary

It's an insult to any woman who has ever worked hard to work her way up in politics (or anything else for that matter). Selecting Ms. Palin is a choice of pandering. Hey! Look! She's not qualified but she has a vagina! So what if she has no foreign policy experience, governs a state smaller than many cities....she's pretty, she can talk and chew gum at the same time, she has a vagina!

by royce 2008-08-29 03:41PM | 0 recs
I have said this in threads here

on TalkLeft and I even went over to dkos to say so.

I was kind of badgered and insulted here and other places for saying Sebelius or Caskill as Obama's vp choice would be an insult. I still feel that way.  Hillary has done all the work, and so have women like Hillary (older, accomplished women who took non-traditional paths when few did)....so since Hillary was available she DESERVED, WORKED FOR, SHOULD HAVE BEEN HONORED WITH THE PICK.

BUT it is even MORE of an insult for people to think that this woman should get the honor of being the first woman on a winning presidential ticket.  The right wing has NOT supported issues that make things better for women.......and there is NO WAY a republican, conservative woman should ever beat the millions of liberal women who worked all our lives for change.

by Jjc2008 2008-08-29 04:32PM | 0 recs

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