The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I heard about Tim Russert's passing this afternoon as a radio person cried while I listened in my car. We lost a great voice of truth today. Meet the Press has become part of my Sunday habits in the past year, and now I wish I'd started watching earlier I would have been better informed.

I haven't been online much of today, but upon coming online tonight, didn't I know that the a#@holes over at HillaryIs44 would have a listing of negative Russert articles, while touting their restraint.

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=655

Anybody who continues to be associated with that site is below pond scum in my book.

Sorry for the short diary. Busy night, but I needed to vent a bit.

Tags: Hillaryis44, Politics, Tim Russert (all tags)

Comments

123 Comments

Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Nice post Travis. I was especally sickened when I went online to check the reaction there--I figured it would be bad, but the blatant stuff on there is absoutley disgusting, now even encouraged by "Admin" Alex Rodriguez.

It's just stunning how low these people have went, really.

by zcflint05 2008-06-13 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

That is a hate site at its best. Really one has to have a miserable life to be a part of that site. They are gone over the deep deep end...

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-13 07:33PM | 0 recs
And it's probably a place where
trolls love to go and play.
Just because a few people feign to be liberals, supporters doesn't mean that's who they are.
by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Why go over there?  Really, what does it matter?

by masslib1 2008-06-13 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Couldn't agree more.  Why subject yourself to that crapfest?  What's the point?  It seems almost masochistic to me.

by Denny Crane 2008-06-13 07:32PM | 0 recs
EXACTLY!

by canadian gal 2008-06-13 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I've never been to that site, and I'm a Hillary supporter.

I don't understand why a Obama supporter would go there. It must be the unity obsession.

by Coldblue 2008-06-13 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

it's not like your browser is yanked to that or any other site. I have never been to that one or Taylor Marsh except by clicking a link in a post and closed the tab real quick. I have enough stuff in real life to be outraged at, I don't feel a need to scour the worst places on the net for more. But some folks seem addicted to constant outrage. I bet you could find similar crap at many other sites.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-13 07:49PM | 0 recs
About Taylor Marsh....

Check it out. Don't read the forums, which are filled with conspiracy theorists, but check the main page. Taylor has the moral compass to oppose John McCain and the good sense to realize that the way to do it is by supporting Barack Obama.

As for Hillaryis44, today is really a historic low for them. Irrational hate for Obama and the lumping together of everyone in the world who helped him as sexist is one thing (ridiculous), but the vitriol focussed on a specific man who died before his time is something else (disgusting).

Don't even bother with the comments. They're gloating over the Kennedy tumor, the Iowa flooding, and Russert, crossing their fingers that someone kills Olberman. It's the sickest thing I've read online; utterly unrestrained hate. Even hategroups have the grace (or sense of self-preservation) not to air the ugliest of their opinions in bald terms; not so at Hillaryis44. I've never seen a more despicable group of people.

The people at ClintonistasforObama are a credit to democrats everywhere. Taylor Marsh did a lot of harm, but has always acted out of conviction, and I can't fault her that. Hillaryis44 are scum, no more.

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-06-13 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: About Taylor Marsh....

Indeed, I was surprised that Taylor Marsh responded to a complaint I made (though only after the nomination was over).  She had an advertisement linked to a book which was rather antisemitic, and accused Obama of being a tool of some vast conspiracy, and, moreover, had shades of Mussolini.  

After a complaint, and an explanation of why I thought it was a bad idea (and offensive, as a jew) to have it, there, she took it down.

I don't know if it was cause of me, or more people like me complained. But, she was willing to step back from her In-The-Primary hatred, and do what was best for the future.

by mrrara 2008-06-14 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: About Taylor Marsh....

I wrote about Taylor running that ad back in April.  You're incorrect in saying she isn't running the ad anymore.  Scroll down on the right of her blog and you'll see that it's under her blogroll.  She tried to hide it, but it's still there.

by Rumproast 2008-06-14 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: About Taylor Marsh....

You are probably correct about hillary44, but even so it is a bit like watching a train-wreck, it may be fascinating but don't you feel a bit dirty about yourself afterwards?

by zerosumgame 2008-06-14 07:40AM | 0 recs
Exactly

I am a Hillary supporter.  Never went there.  Never wanted to go there.  Don't believe many, if any, of the hate mongers there are anything more than trolls looking for a place to play.

People who go there and come back aghast at Hillary supporters make me laugh.  There are crazies and hate mongers who claim to support anyone and everyone across the spectrum.  It's nonsense.  The anonymity of the NET allows them to do this.  Ignore them; and do NOT come back and be appalled that Hillary supporters do this.  It's nonsense and a way to demean Hillary and her real supporters.

by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Its like watching a carwreck or checking out Freerepublic.  SOmetimes you can't help yourself.

by yitbos96bb 2008-06-14 05:49AM | 0 recs
Democrat is as Democrat Does

This is not a site for you to advocate for McCain, or direct people to sites devoted to electing him. This site is for Democrats who vote like Democrats. Electing the Democrat at the top of the ticket is vital. Your faux-Democratic status means nothing if you are bent on electing someone scarier in his war and economic policies than W.

by rhetoricus 2008-06-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Democrat is as Democrat Does

Either you're disingenuous or you're not thinking ahead. What do you think will happen to the legislation your favored down-ticket Democrats try to pass when it hits McCain's desk? Or when progressive legislation hits the "unitary executive," TNC-enamored courts McCain appoints? And do you think McCain is going to wait for your favored Democratic Congresspeople to vote for war with Iran before he starts one?

Might as well send your donations directly to McCain.

And by the way, if your real issue is that you don't like Obama, why not at least support the Green or Libertarian candidates for president (or write in Hillary), rather than voting for George III?

by rhetoricus 2008-06-14 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Democrat is as Democrat Does

You are being dense because we have debunke dthe Mcain foreign policy thing on MYDD several times in the past. You seriously think spending trillions on the Iraq war was good for security ? Or for the economy? Would you spend 150K and be willing to sacrifice one of your kids by sending him to attack a neighborhood ruled by a druglord not even a strong threat to enter your neighbhorhod if it meant keeping your home marginally safer in a neighborhood which had a couple of breakins?

by Pravin 2008-06-14 10:47AM | 0 recs
It helps..

..to wait until you're sober before you post.

Is this really addressed to me?

I never supported McCain or the Iraq war. The Iraq war hasn't made us even marginally safer. It has been a tragic waste of blood and treasure. In fact, terrorism has increased, as have hostilities against the U.S. And I would personally shoot my brother or my kid in the kneecap before I saw them go to that Middle East deathtrap to murder brown civilians and destroy their own soul.

by rhetoricus 2008-06-14 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: It helps..

Mistake. I hit the wrong reply button. It was addressed to the idiot praising McCain's foreign policy .

by Pravin 2008-06-14 11:15PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

So we're supposed to applaud because you're a better class of troll?

This is a site for electing Democrats...go peddle your wares elsewhere.

by JoeW 2008-06-14 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Its just like Westboro church. I was surprised they didn't have an animated gif saying "Tim Russert fag-enabler in hell". It's sick and if they can't give respect to someone as objective and researched as Russert then they are too stupid for this world.

by AIegra 2008-06-13 07:27PM | 0 recs
Yeah

They're very Fred Phelps-esque over there, aren't they?

by PD1769 2008-06-13 07:31PM | 0 recs
The first comment:

rjk1957 Says:
June 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Admin, I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next

Jesus. God always hates America when somebody's candidate doesn't win

by 79blondini 2008-06-13 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: The first comment:

And people wanna say God bless Iowa? Nononono. GOD DAMN IOWA AS LONG AS SHE BELIEVES THAT BARACK OBAMA IS A BETTER NOMINEE THAN HILLARY CLINTON! GOD DAMN IOWA AS LONG AS SHE CONTINUES TO RUN A CAUCUS!

by warmwaterpenguin 2008-06-13 11:40PM | 0 recs
Re: The first comment:

Cripes it took me a day to figure out why they were talking shit about Iowa.  The caucus.. d'uh!  LOL

How stupid - man if I had time to be angry at every perceived slight I would always be pissed off.

by JustJennifer 2008-06-14 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: The first comment:

You know, I did read that comment yesterday.  I old my husband about it.  He mentioned that we tend to laugh out loud at people such as Hagee and Robertson when they attribute acts of God to other things (Katrina was not caused by Gay people, film at 11)

But then, you have that idiotic comment.

Disgraceful really.  I admit my masochism.  I went there yesterday fully expecting the comments to be ghoulish... sadly, I was not disappointed.  I almost wished I had an account so I could start disputing the idiocy, but then I went out and weeded the garden instead.

by JenKinFLA 2008-06-14 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah

If I ever see these assholes, I just hope I have a carton of eggs with me.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-06-14 08:22AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Why don't you all forget Hillaryis44?  For all you know, those posters could be a number of people with a lot of different agendas.  It could be a bunch of republican plants attempting to sew divisiveness in the Democratic party.  It could be someone from a blog like this attempting to work out their hatred for Hillary or her supporters.  They could be over there posting comments so that they can bring them back here to say, look what these Hillary supporters are like.  I mean, some of you visit there much more than any of those who support Hillary do.  I only go there when I see diaries like yours to see what you are talking about.  Otherwise I wouldn't bother.  Really, please please please stop obsessing about something that has nameless, faceless, people posting crap on.  These are not real supporters of Hillary Clinton. They have a lot of hidden agendas.

by Scotch 2008-06-13 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I'm sure that's partly true but it's also true that many of the people over there and at NoQuarter used to be some of the top Hillary diarists on this site (names like Texas Darlin', Susan Hu and Seymour Glass). So it is definitely not all fakers and trolls - some of them are actually remnants of the MyDD community, people who used to fly to the top of the Rec list every time they penned a diary.

by animated 2008-06-13 08:51PM | 0 recs
How do you know they are not all fakes???

How can you prove they are or they are not?  Trolling is s common activity of crazies and kids.  How hard is it to use a name you see somewhere else on the NET, register with it somewhere else and play?

You want to believe the worst of Hillary supporters?  Fine?  But everyone can play that game and give all the crazies ammunition.  I say don't acknowledge it and take away their fun.

by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: How do you know they are not all fakes???

...Because some of them would say, on both sites, that they are members of either site.

by mrrara 2008-06-14 06:24AM | 0 recs
And that proves what????
Seriously...
I can say anything here.  Doesn't make it true, and I can belong to 10 different sites using the same name.  Doesn't make one a truthteller.
by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 06:36AM | 0 recs
They cross post on their own websites

Several have their own websites that they cross post at and/or when they posted things here they cross-posted at the same time on NoQuarter or Hillis44.

by PantsB 2008-06-14 08:04AM | 0 recs
I have this theory

I think HillaryIs44 is and maybe always was a false flag operation intended to peel off Clinton supporters for McCain.  Most of the 'Democrats' over there were probably never anything of the sort... they are really repubs in dem clothing doing an act.  The irony is that most are probably working on their own and don't know that they are playing to their own choir (the real Dems having bolted some time ago).  The longer it goes on, the more the mask slips, and the more they are revealed to be just a bunch of freepers and redstaters.

A bunch of republicans, pretending to be dems (for the benefit of other republicans they think are dems), crowing about how they will lead half the Democratic party into rebellion and the waiting arms of McCain.

It would be funny if it was not sort of sad.

by protothad 2008-06-13 08:56PM | 0 recs
protothad,

thanks for letting me cross-post your diary at Clintonistas for Obama.

by Beltway Dem 2008-06-14 01:19AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44
I checked it today simply because I've enjoyed watching their daily posts go down down down since Hillary suspended her campaign but they reached new depths today that I am certain embarressed their own families today.
Talk about mentally ill. These women go beyond sickening. They honestly do not deserve to be called human beings.
Shame they are so unhappy with their life that they have to always have a target to take their anger out on.
Glad you vented. They have also been reported to MSNBC and I would just imagine that soon we will see some hardball on them and let the world know that anyone who goes there and posts? Should never even interact with children.
by Grissom1001 2008-06-13 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

HillaryIs44 is run by a man.

by mrrara 2008-06-14 06:25AM | 0 recs
And you know they are women

because ?????????????????

And you know they are democrats because????????
And you know they are Hillary supporters because ???????????????????????????

by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

No doubt they are disgusting human beings.

Let's try not an increase their hit count though.

by mefeck 2008-06-13 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Oops, I didn't see this diary and posted some of the comments on the open thread. Sorry for the repetition.

Well, in any case, I'm glad it was noticed. The idea that these folks are rational in any way has been shown to be an absurdity. And I'm sure that Senator Clinton would be appalled if she knew that these ideas were being expressed by people who profess to support her.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 07:45PM | 0 recs
Russert

Is your only point here to stir outrage? Different people have different opinions of the man. Getting up on your high horse about some people's opinions shows that you have little interest in showing respect for the man on the day of his death.

by souvarine 2008-06-13 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

Different opinions?

What they are saying are not opinions of the man and his work, but things like his death and the floods and Iowa and Ted Kennedy's brain tumor happened because of what they did when it came to Hillary.

That is plain repulsive.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

Do you think that a group purportedly defined around support for Clinton now makes Senator Clinton proud because of their statements that Russert got what he deserved?  

I'm sure it doesn't.

Nor does their discussion, on the same thread, of getting on a conference call with the McCain campaign so they can help him get elected.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

The site was formed by someone who had nothing to do with Clinton or her campaign.  They are a lose cannon, and the people there have their own agendas.  God only knows who they are or what they hope to accomplish.  Would it be so unlike McCains people to be pushing division and touting him on a website like that?  The obsession her is way over the top.  Do you think that Hillaryis44 is going to have any impact whatsoever on the outcome of the election.  99.99999 percent of the voting population never heard of it.

by Scotch 2008-06-13 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

That's not actually entirely true.

When a reporter first figured out who ran the site, he called the Clinton campaign before he ran the story.

When he asked about the creator, the woman he was speaking to actually let slip their first name, without him ever mentioning their first name.

It's pretty obvious that even if they weren't directly involved in its creation, they were atleast aware of who was running it before anyone else.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/A_campaign_mystery_solved_HillaryIs4 4.html

by mrrara 2008-06-14 06:28AM | 0 recs
So ???????

Even IF the Hillary campaign knew about them what were they to do? Even IF they censored them, then what?  
People cannot control the internet posters.....end of story.  Even mentioning them gives them credence.....and lots of hits.  

I wish the people here would stop this "ain't it awful...those nasty Hillary people"......game.  It is implying that Hillary and people supporting her are a part of it.  That is neither true nor fair.

by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: So ???????

Exactly.  Hillary does not control the internets. I'm sure the campaign was aware of this site and who ran it.. but they're still nutjobs, as I'm certain the campaign was aware.  We all know they're bat-shit crazy over there (although I've never been), so why go?  What does one gain, other than increasing your frustration level needlessly?

by Denny Crane 2008-06-14 07:13AM | 0 recs
I was fine with Hillaryis44 until

after Hillary conceded.  Then it became a delusional site and only the haters remained, not Hillary's true supporters, who have moved on.  

Yes it was always hardball politics,  but I just figured that was part of the primary process.  Right now they have gone over the edge.  

by Sandy1938 2008-06-14 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

Why do you keep bringing Clinton into this - as if she supports or condones what is going on over there?  She IS OUT OF THE RACE.  She cannot control what a bunch of decidedly unstable people do or say.  

by JustJennifer 2008-06-13 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

That's exactly what I said or at least meant to say -- that she wouldn't support it and so it's horrible that those folks are speaking purportedly as a pro-Clinton group.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-13 08:28PM | 0 recs
Candidates cannot control

people's speech and most especially they cannot control anonymous "supporters" on the net.   Should I condemn Obama for the so called supporters who have told me to "F*ck off"?  Should I condemn Obama for people who claim to be his supporters and have said nasty, violence threatening things???

I don't believe he has anything to do with them.  Nor does Hillary have anything to do with a bunch of crazies who have used her name and candidacy to get attention.
This diary seems to be a pathetic attempt to taint Hillary Clinton and her supporters as evil and nasty women.  Why it was done I do not know.  But it is truly unfair.

by Jjc2008 2008-06-14 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

I suppose part of it comes from hard feelings left over from the primary season. Obama supporters were frequently slandered as being cultists and automotons, yet the most egregious behavior we've seen so far comes from a place where some of the diarists from this site (prominently featured on the rec list for months) participated in or were a part of.

However, if we've seen anything from this, it's that real Clinton supporters are nothing like this. It just sucks- for months, we tried to show those people for who they are, and instead of doing something about it then, we're all gonna get embarassed as hell from their behavior now.

by ragekage 2008-06-13 08:36PM | 0 recs
Not only from the primary season but for all the

other lost democratic elections!

by suzieg 2008-06-14 12:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

Insults are not opinions. And celebrating a death is ghoulish and disgusting.

by vcalzone 2008-06-13 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

I'm not going to troll rate this, but likewise, this shouldn't be mojo'ed at all.

It's one thing to insult the man and his credibility, it's another thing to say that he deserved this.

It's absolutely despicable. You should be ashamed, and I'm ashamed for you.

by Massadonious 2008-06-13 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

I didn't want to get into this yesterday, but I'll address your points today. Tim Russert was a powerful and complicated man. The New York Times is publishing a piece tomorrow that captures some of his sincerity and hypocrisy:

Mr. Russert liked to seem sheepishly above-it-all, but was also as acutely status-conscious, befitting the local water. He was always mindful of not appearing too often on MSNBC, NBC's cable cousin, for fear of diluting his big-league brand. He was known primarily as a TV star to most people, but often identified himself by his more hierarchical title, "Washington bureau chief." There is no shortage of politicians, beginning with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who believed Mr. Russert could be bullying and prone to grandstanding at times, making excessive show of his top-of-the-heap position.

Many Democrats believe that the Washington press corps is a broken institution, when I read the hillaryis44 posting linked from this diary I realized that it was documenting Russert's part in breaking the Washington press corps. You may argue that it was poor timing to post that on the day of the man's death, and I wouldn't disagree with you, but it is hardly "despicable".

As for some of the comments to the post they are as despicable as some of the comments to this diary. Using Tim Russert's death as a vehicle for attacks on Obama supporters or Clinton supporters is shameful, and if you sincerely find it offensive then I would suggest you start by chastising this diarist and those who recommended his diary.

by souvarine 2008-06-14 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Russert

This isn't an opinion . . . it is mental illness:

#  rjk1957 Says:
June 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

Admin, I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next


by Veteran75 2008-06-14 04:37AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Why even go over there?  Ignore it.  Don't post links to give them more hits.

You can find all flavors of crazy on the internet.  No point in calling attention to any of it.

by JustJennifer 2008-06-13 08:02PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44
I was not a fan of Russert's journalism, but that Hilly-photie-foe site is one nasty piece of work.
Are all dead-enders like that?
by xdem 2008-06-13 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Why do people keep using the term dead enders?

by JustJennifer 2008-06-13 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

It is an attempt to insult and bully those who do not fall in line, and I find it offensive.

by Scotch 2008-06-13 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44
No offense intended. I thought the term had entered the lexicon, defining those who can't cope with simple reality.
 I'll stop using it.
by xdem 2008-06-13 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Thank you!

by Scotch 2008-06-13 08:24PM | 0 recs
Sorry Scotch, but...

don't complain about being picked on here, especially if you're here to derail this communities goals of getting a Democrat elected.  If you don't agree with that, you're on the wrong site.  Might I suggest Hillis44?

by OVAH 2008-06-14 06:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Scotch, but...

Scotch merely said s/he doesn't like the term "dead enders"  (and I don't much care for it myself).

How do you get from that to this:

don't complain about being picked on here, especially if you're here to derail this communities goals of getting a Democrat elected.  If you don't agree with that, you're on the wrong site.  Might I suggest Hillis44?

Did I miss something?

by Denny Crane 2008-06-14 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Scotch, but...

Past posts...

by OVAH 2008-06-14 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry Scotch, but...

I would like to refer to your past posts, if only you would tell me what name they were posted under.

by Scotch 2008-06-14 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I find many people in that community offensive. Nothing but throwing poop against the wall and seeing what sticks. And they say much nastier stuff about us, in case you didn't notice.

by vcalzone 2008-06-13 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

"hopium smoking cult"
"let the Bots go nuts; shows what a bunch of novice nimwits they are."
"Obamerrhoid ESPIONAGE squad"

Not even to mention the things said about Obama himself. My favorite nickname was "odinga".

And I only went less than halfway down the page on ONE POST.

by vcalzone 2008-06-13 08:32PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I think "hold-outs" would be a more appropriate term.

by psychodrew 2008-06-13 09:27PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44
What are they holding out for?
by Gene In PA 2008-06-14 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Holding out for a lobotomy? Clearly, many of them need one.

by Denny Crane 2008-06-14 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

That's hitting below the belt.  Right now, Obama is polling lower among Democrats than Kerry did in 2004.  We need these voters in November.  Talk like that doesn't help.

by psychodrew 2008-06-14 11:58AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I don't think it's hitting below the belt at all.  I have very serious doubts that many of the more bizarre posters over there are Democrats at all. The people we're talking about aren't going to vote for Obama.  They're chaos trolls, and we don't need the their votes and we aren't going to get them. And thanks for the TR.  It's my third in the last year.

by Denny Crane 2008-06-15 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

It's only been a week since Hillary conceded and we have four months until the election.  Some of her supporters aren't ready to cross-over to Obama.

Why is it so important that they do so IMMEDIATELY?  Why can't they have some time to think about things before making a decision?  At the end of the day, it's not important that they take a blood oath to support Obama on June 14, 2008.  What's important is that they vote for him in November.   If being patient and giving them time and space makes the latter outcome more likely, what is the harm in waiting and treating them with respect?

by psychodrew 2008-06-14 11:55AM | 0 recs
I don't give a damn... it's such an infantile word

reminds me of retorts in children's playground: Wha, Wha, Wha, Yea, Yea, Yea, I won, I won, I won!

by suzieg 2008-06-14 12:05AM | 0 recs
Deadenders

Are Clinton supporters who claim (and may be truthful) that they are voting for McCain.  Another word for them is "Republicans."

by ProgressiveDL 2008-06-14 06:22AM | 0 recs
RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

But I really wish everyone would just SHUT THE FUCK UP about Hillaryis44! Don't. Go. There. Forget them. They're deranged. Most of them are undercover freepers. I am (was) a Clinton supporter, and I never go there. Stay AWAY from the big pink hatesite!

I should point out that I'm not really yelling at you. I'm just in a terrible mood, and I've been put in that mood by 1) my miserable, craptastic day, and 2) a well-respected Obama supporter who decided to do something incredibly horrible, all because he was pissed at alegre. I'm just sick and tired of listening to people talk about alegre, TexasDarlin, His44, etc. Just leave them alone. They're not our problem.

Sorry for the rant. Please don't take offense. As I said, it's not directed at you. I just haven't had a chance to talk to the person it was really directed at, so I used your diary as a place to vent.

by sricki 2008-06-13 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

i wholeheartedly agree - last night i was so incredibly upset - i saved the page because i couldnt really believe what was happening.  and btw - if you saw the cached version - it got much worse before it was pulled.

that being said - the blame lays with more than one person and i sincerely hope that he changes his mind.

by canadian gal 2008-06-13 09:05PM | 0 recs
I saw the cached version.

People kept talking about it, so I went hunting. At first, I couldn't imagine what he could have said that was so bad. But yeah, it was absolutely terrible. I was shocked. I'm emailing him about it right now. But no matter what he did, he shouldn't leave because of it. We all make mistakes. That was a particularly bad one, but I expect he learned something from it. Feeling guilty and running away from the situation is not the proper way to deal with it.

The whole thing has put me in a very poor mood, though. He's one of my favorites.

Oh, and thanks for saving my abusive comment to rankles. I imagine someone else will probably come through and HR it again, but I really don't care at this point. Rankles has no right to tell anyone to leave, least of all SG.

by sricki 2008-06-13 09:12PM | 0 recs
i agree...

he is one of my faves and i hope you are able to convince him.  but frankly - most of the others involved in it yesterday - i couldnt care less if they left.  good riddance.

by canadian gal 2008-06-13 09:33PM | 0 recs
Well,

you know I'm also fond of a couple of the others. But they disappointed me so much. Somehow, though, it was SG who disappointed me the most -- I think it's because I wasn't nearly as shocked to see some of those other people engaging in that sort of behavior. But I didn't expect it out of him.

I hope he changes his mind about returning, though.

by sricki 2008-06-13 09:44PM | 0 recs
as always...

you put things perfectly.  if you saw the cached version near the end, it shook me up for the exact same reasons as you.

by canadian gal 2008-06-13 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Well,

Geez... you miss a night around here you miss alot, huh?

by JenKinFLA 2008-06-14 07:31AM | 0 recs
Yes, definitely.

I was gone that night, and then I came back the next day, only to find that SG had bailed on us. Very unfortunate.

by sricki 2008-06-14 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

Yeah. It was kinda sad to refresh my browser and nervously (I kid you not) saw how 2 of my favorite people here on MyDD imploded. Comment after comment. I don't give a fuck about alegre and I have a very low opinion of her rumor mongering and smear jobs. But their is a line between the internet and real life. I hope SG comes back and I will definetly visit his symposium. I think he's taking the fall for something that wasn't his fault alone.

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-13 09:17PM | 0 recs
FWIW.

spacey - your comments last night pretty well saved me from calling it quits.  and you're 100% correct, he shouldnt be the only one taking blame, there was a group.

by canadian gal 2008-06-13 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: FWIW.

I read your comment and I felt the same way you did. This place is at a lowpoint right now. I hope you don't leave. Your diaries are getting a following and it's great to see you on the Rec.List. You do alot more good here than the majority of people around here. If you leave please let me know where you'll be blogging (like SG did).

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-13 10:36PM | 0 recs
It was really a sick thread.

I was horrified. I sometimes feel that SG blames himself for a lot of things which aren't his fault. One time, he wrote a diary apologizing for something that he didn't even need to apologize for. I dunno. That's a bad mentality to have, though -- and I should know, since I'm the same way.

by sricki 2008-06-13 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

I said my piece and then dropped out of that thread.  I totally understand why they were doing what they were doing, and it did start out small and then snowballed, but there can't be any tolerance for that sort of thing.

That said, he should learn from it, not leave because of it.

I might take sricki's lead and email him too.

by Didion 2008-06-13 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

I missed all of this yesterday, but if people were exposing alegre's real identity, that's definitely loathsome behavior. I'm an Obama supporter and have done my share of chiding alegre here, but I would never cross that line and it should be condemned.

Regarding HillIs44, yeah, it's best to ignore that site going forward.  I was disheartened to read several incredibly despicable comments about Russert on A-list liberal blogs today. I used to think we were better than wingnuts, but after what I read today I'm not so sure. If the only way we think can beat them is to emulate their viciousness and lack of decency, I fail to see what the point is anymore.

by Rumproast 2008-06-13 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

Is that what really happened?

by JustJennifer 2008-06-14 07:33AM | 0 recs
yes.

by canadian gal 2008-06-14 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: RIP, Tim. It was a terrible tragedy.

Seriosuly -- I could care less about any of those folks.  Either they'll end up campaigning on behalf of their best interests or they wont.  The choice is theirs.

I'm not going to waste an ounce of breathe or effort on them -- there are more important things to do for this election.  Things that are within my control.  I'd prefer to focus my efforts that way.

by zoopnfunk 2008-06-14 05:06AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

I've occasionally read what has been posted over there, and don't understand the fuss over what 10-20 unhappy people on a blog think. The vast majority of this country rejects that kind of hateful thinking, but you'll always have some who have some serious issues.

My belief is Obama will win the election, regardless of what Hillis44 bloggers want.

by wiscogirl101 2008-06-13 09:01PM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44
im gonna implode if i hear another word about HillaryIs44.


[implode!! arg]
by alyssa chaos 2008-06-13 11:45PM | 0 recs
Who cares?

Those are all just people bitter and depressed about their own sorry lives.

They aren't interested in liberal, progressive, democratic, moderate, or even conservative politics.

They are concerned with bellyaching and scapegoating others for the sorry existence that they  have found themselves in due to lack of intelligence and/or initiative.

Let them bitch.  They are amusing in their pathetic despair and not-so-"quiet desperation."

by NeverNude 2008-06-13 11:51PM | 0 recs
IT'S OFFICIAL

Hillaryis44 is unquestionably a radical cult.

The End.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-14 01:12AM | 0 recs
Re: IT'S OFFICIAL

I quibble at the word cult. To be regarded as a "cult," don't you need to have more than six kids  in a makeshift tree-house to qualify? Call it a cell. A tiny cell of disturbed, immature sore losers.

by urban shocker 2008-06-14 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Didn't know the site existed until this posting. Some nuttiness but that's not the only place you're going to find it on the net. That's the problem with the first amendment which is one of the great things about America. I'm against any restrictions on speech, any, some of these people may be twits but it's the price you pay. At the end of the day it's not very important.  

by ottovbvs 2008-06-14 03:02AM | 0 recs
RIP to Tim

but he was idiot

by engels 2008-06-14 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: RIP to Tim

Ummm.. having read his writing, idiot is the last word I would use to describe him.

by JenKinFLA 2008-06-14 07:34AM | 0 recs
no, you idiot, him smart

you ignorant, him educated.

you rudehateful, him generouskind.

As you spend your life spitting and insulting, do not be suprised that you become more lonely and miserable.  You are the author of your own horrible life.

by chrisblask 2008-06-14 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: RIP to Tim

I was going to hide this vicious untimely comment, but let it stand so that people can see what a noxious vatful of waste made it

by duende 2008-06-14 08:40AM | 0 recs
Don't let them get to you. They

are probably some of the most socially-adverse people that exist.  They just sit behind the computer and spout rhetoric under the cloud of anonymity.

by mishiem 2008-06-14 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

That level of assholism is best ignored.  It only encourages them if you pay attention.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-14 05:26AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

Holy crap.  Look at this from the comments.  

"Admin, I will not be polite... Karma baby that is all I will say, first Kennedy and his brain tumor, then the flooding in Iowa and now Russert... Obamatrons beware the wrath of God, you could be next"

Alegre and others, is this who you side with?  Wow.  Disgusting.

by OVAH 2008-06-14 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44
By going to their site, YOU are associated with tnem
Get over it
by NY Writer 2008-06-14 07:25AM | 0 recs
Fuck off

by chrisblask 2008-06-14 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Fuck off

Do you think your response was really necessary or could you have held off?

by Scotch 2008-06-14 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Fuck off

Necessary?  Absolutely not.

Could I have held off?  Some other time, yes. As the first thing I see as cranky as I was/am - this twit spreading the blame for actions without defense - I only wish I had the chance to say it in person.

I never claim to be a saint, or have the patience of one.

by chrisblask 2008-06-14 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Fuck off

Some might not see saying that by giving credence to them and acknowledging them, you are futhuring whatever influence they might have on the national discourse, as spreading blame around.  It seems true that if you ignore something it is more likely to go away, than if you go there every day to see whatelse awful they have done.  It seems like that would be a really great place to go and write outrageous stuff to divide democrats, if people keep looking at it and directing others toward it.

by Scotch 2008-06-14 09:16AM | 0 recs
``Yeah, but you would be dancing if XYZ died...

ìs the kind of sick logic that leads to this shit.

No, we would not be.

Saddam Hussein forced his population to celebrate while New York Burned.  I have heard this from the same sort of sick fucks as the slime on HI44:

`Yeah, but Americans would celebrate if Iraq burned.`

Bullshit.  If there has been an Iraq Burning Party, nobody sent me the invite.

Iran had a horible earthquake, we sent aid.  No-one danced.

These miserable nihilistic jerks on HI44 are the problem.  What you are seeing is a representation of the small group of assholes who live out the worst parody of American life.

They are not real people.  They are pond scum.  And they sure as shit are not American in anything beyond the unfortanate accident of their births.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-06-14 07:54AM | 0 recs
Agreed

As someone who does not believe in any sort of afterlife, I do not celebrate anyone's death.  Not Tim Russtert's, not Saddam Hussein's, not even Justice Scalia's or Dick Cheney's, or Al Qaeda soldiers.  People die, but I'll not celebrate the end of any life.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-06-14 08:12AM | 0 recs
My theory on HillaryIs44

My theory is that HillaryIs44 is a plant along with a number of the diarists (and posters) that used to reside on MyDD.  Think about it.

The GOP always wanted HRC to run against.  They've been revving up for it for years.  She has high negatives, they have tens of millions of dollars worth of opposition research on her they can bring up again, she voted for the war, she appears to be a political opportunist and the smear machine already had plenty of warning to work on her.  

I believe one of their strategies was to plant so-called "liberal Clinton supporters" online at popular websites, get them to integrate into the existing communities and act as a sort of "sleeper cell."  

From there, they could do plenty to hurt the HRC campaign.  They could start making over the top radical statements that some of their loyal readers would follow along with and create a meme for the media that HRC supporters were radical liberals.  They could "change their mind" at some point in the campaign and switch to McCain, which would create the meme that HRC was losing key supporters and her campaign was in trouble.  Or they could create division within the chronically fractured Democratic Party.  

Now it didn't work exactly as they wanted because HRC lost.  But they have managed to encourage the viewpoint that HRC was robbed of the nomination since she only lost the delegate and popular vote by a little.  

by PantsB 2008-06-14 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: The Complete A#@holes at HillaryIs44

HillaryIs44 is just like a TV show you don't like. Just don't change the channel to that station. Likewise, just don't visit that site. Ignoring a**holds is simultaneously the best defense and offense against them.

As a Clinton supporter and delegate, I am fully backing Barack Obama as our nominee and will urge people on both sides to ignore trolls who attack Hillary or Barack.

by GLP72315 2008-06-14 08:53AM | 0 recs
It's not useful...

to call them "dead enders".  I prefer "NOvermberists"  when you need to refer to them use their own words to identify them.  Don't lump them in with Clinton supporters with reservations.

by AZphilosopher 2008-06-14 09:04AM | 0 recs
how to lose in November?

there are two rec'd diaries still about Hillary and her supporters? This will not help Obama, makes him seem boring, the only story is still Hillary?

If you want Barack to win, as i do, you will stop looking up what Hillary's supporters are doing and saying. He won, she lost, this can't possibly do anything but make you seem like sore winners, who still can't give up bashing the opponent. In this case it's a same party opponent and ought never to have been smeared in the first place, had that not happened, Obama's win would be nicer, and not sullied by his supporters ongoing fascination with all things Hillary.

Grow up, Barack won, time to realize it and blog positive.  End the hate the contest if over, let that hate die?  

by anna shane 2008-06-14 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: how to lose in November?

Uh, did you even bother to read the diary, or did you just respond to the title? This isn't about Hillary, this is what some disgusting people on a website (that claim to support her) said about Tim Russert's death. Are you defending what they said?

Furthermore, if there was an pro-Obama site like this, (no, Kos doesn't count) you'd be bringing it up as often as the rest of us do.

by Massadonious 2008-06-14 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: how to lose in November?

same thing, how dare some of her supporters to this or that or say this or that. The point is, who cares? Only those who aren't ready to  quit the primary season bashing? Do you even think?  

by anna shane 2008-06-15 08:25AM | 0 recs
Re: how to lose in November?

No, the question is: what kind of sad sacks of crap celebrate another human being's death?

That fact that it is this group of sad sacks of crap does in fact support other threads about them being sad sacks of crap - some of them political threads.  They are visible to those of us here because we look to see what they are up to for political reasons, but if I had seen any other group of sad sacks of crap celebrating Mr. Russert's death I would be happy to add them to this list.

Talkleft.com is still a highly pro-Clinton site with a lot of folks still very adamant and angry about the primary, but you will see nothing like this on talkleft.  

This is not about Hillay Supporters, it is about those sad sacks of crap on HI44 who have shown that they are not worthy of supporting anyone.

by chrisblask 2008-06-15 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: how to lose in November?

no, there are lots of sad sacks, the issue is why is hillary still so fascinating that anything  negative with her name on it ends up on the rec list.  That's sad sack.  

by anna shane 2008-06-15 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: how to lose in November?

Agreed in form at least.  The whole obsession with the pro and con is past the point of worthwhile discussion imho.

by chrisblask 2008-06-15 07:06PM | 0 recs

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