Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

This is a brief note to my fellow Obama supporters.

I've noted in the last day or so a rising tone of panic and dread in some of you. "Hillary's going to take it to the convention!" you exclaim. "She's going to cost us the general election!" you lament. This weeping and gnashing of teeth has been exacerbated by an increase in Republican trolling on this site in the last couple of days, with truth-free Obama hit pieces coming at a more rapid pace.

To these Obamaniacs I say, "Chill!"

I don't mean that in a negative sense. In fact, I'm really only passing on the attitude of the candidate. Don't worry so much. For heaven's sake, many of us believe Barack Obama can be the best President in our lifetimes. The least we can do is give him the ball at the end of the game and have faith he's going to score for us.

From the beginning, Barack Obama has managed this election masterfully. Yet some of us, his supporters, still tend to act as if our judgement is better. He has said for a long time that this would go until the last contest, and it will. He has expressed confidence that at the end of the contests he'll be the nominee. Trust him. You don't know what he knows. For all you know he could have Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi, and another 50 superdelegates ready to endorse on Wednesday. Have some faith in the guy. If he's ready to be the President we know he can be, then he is more than capable of finishing this out.

On Saturday, the rules and by-laws committee will meet. Their lawyers have said they can't institute less than a 50% penalty on MI and FL, so I'd expect that to be the outcome. At that point, and I assume within hours, we'll know if that solution is accepted by the Clinton campaign. They may at that point do one of three things. They may accept the ruling, which would be the best case. The opposite case would be they announce that they don't accept the ruling and are taking their case to the convention. The in-between case is that they announce that they'll decide what to do after the last contest on Tuesday.

Saturday Puerto Rico will vote. Hillary will win there, but not by the huge margins once predicted I suspect. Then Tuesday it's on to South Dakota and Montana, and then, we're done. We'll have all the numbers. The supers will have all they need to come to a decision. The party leaders have said that they want the supers to commit shortly thereafter.

Some of us would like Sen. Clinton to concede on Tuesday, but it's not likely. She will probably mull things over for a day or two and then either pick a time and place  later in the week, or decide she's not going to take a graceful exit and attempt a coup at the convention. Personally, I don't see Hillary Clinton as the anti-Christ of the Democratic Party. I think she realizes that there is no support in the party for a convention fight, that it would effectively end her political career to lose such a fight, that the odds of her winning said fight would be slim to none, and that she would then be blamed for any resulting loss in November. In terms of just practicality, I put the odds on Hillary not conceding shortly after Tuesday at less than 10%.

But what if Sen. Clinton chooses the nuclear option? What if she vows that, party be damned, she's going to take her fight to the convention floor? This is where you've got to trust in Barack Obama. He's known of this possibility for a very, very long time. I don't see him looking worried. I haven't even heard of anyone in his camp being worried. Give the team captain the ball and let him score.

The superdelegates in this race have not wanted, and rightfully so, to force Sen. Clinton out. At the same time there is no way they are going to give her the nomination, with Obama ahead in pledged delegates, without concrete evidence, not that he might not win in November, but that he simply cannot win in November. Absent that evidence the supers will coalesce around Obama in huge numbers. The general election campaign will begin, and Sen. Clinton, while she could make a little noise at the convention, would not have the votes to go anywhere.

So, fellow Obama supporters, chill out over the next few days. Cut the Hillary supporters more slack than usual. Don't let the Republican trolls draw you into debate. We'll watch Saturday's meeting with interest. We should let the Clinton supporters draw whatever they can out of Puerto Rico on Sunday. On Tuesday, I'm sure many of us will be up until all hours to find out the results out of Montana, but then it's over. There's not much we can do.

Well, there's not much, but if we really need to feel active there's something. Nothing says to the supers that the Obama juggernaut is unstoppable like continued financial success, so, if you're willing and able, we could all help by going to the Obama site and ponying up some more cash. It would be great if Barack could show a really good month of May to the supers while they're making their final decisions.

Have a cool few days Obamaniacs. Hope is in the air. Can you feel it?

UPDATE: It just feels so good to shuck off the stress and realize that it's all beyond our control at this point, at least for a few days. I call a PARTY! Everybody's welcome. We have lots of virtual refreshments and virtual entertainment. Supporters of all candidates are here. (I think there's a Gravel guy over in the corner talking to himself.) Leave your weapons with the hat check guy. Everybody must pass through the troll detector. It's such a nice day. Let's just put it all aside for a bit!

Tags: 2008, Barack Obama, Democratic Primary, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

203 Comments

I'm as cool as...

the other side of the pillow.

Rec'd

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-29 05:46AM | 0 recs
I'm so cool . . .

 . . . I make a penguin wear a sweater.

by vadasz 2008-05-29 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm so cool . . .

...I'm making ice cubes in my navel.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 06:02AM | 0 recs
How do you get the lint off?

To use in drinks I mean?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: How do you get the lint off?

I'm cooler than a polar bear's toenails.

(H/T: Big Boi)

by Koan 2008-05-29 06:40AM | 0 recs
I'm as cool...

...as a frozen Mammoth, buried deep in a Siberian glacier, wearing Ray Bans.  

by duende 2008-05-29 06:47AM | 0 recs
I am as cool

as a snowflake dipped in liquid nitrogen, and on the dark side of the moon.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 07:09AM | 0 recs
I'm as cool

as Ernest Shackleton at the South Pole before all this global warming started at night.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-29 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm as cool

As a welldigger's ass!

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-05-29 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm as cool

I'm as cool as Walt Disney's head.

by proseandpromise 2008-05-29 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm as cool

I'm so cool, when I go to sleep the sheep count me.

by JDF 2008-05-29 11:14AM | 0 recs
What's cooler than cool?

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-05-29 12:04PM | 0 recs
ICE COLD!!!

I'm so cool I make Miles Davis look like Pauly Shore.

by Djo Dos 2008-05-29 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: ICE COLD!!!

I'm so cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a week.

by X Stryker 2008-05-30 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm as cool

That's cuter than a pailful of kittens.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-29 01:42PM | 0 recs
Phantom Rec for the Waits reference!

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: How do you get the lint off?

cooler than Freddy Jackson sipping a milkshake in a snowstorm

by upstate girl 2008-05-29 07:21AM | 0 recs
Re: How do you get the lint off?

I drink Freddy Jackson's milkshake!

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-29 12:11PM | 0 recs
Cooler than Luke's Hand

by KLRinLA 2008-05-29 02:19PM | 0 recs
I'm tempted to TR

Because now I've got the image of navel-ice in my glass of whiskey.  And, well, ew.

Phantom troll-rated, that's totally allowed, right? ;-)

by sierradave 2008-05-29 08:06AM | 0 recs
Is OK...

I just looked at the defense budget, and apparently we have "naval ice breakers."  ;-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:38AM | 0 recs
I'd TR myself if I could...

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm so cool . . .

I'm so cool I drink chilled Courvoisier out of chrisblask's navel.

by deminva 2008-05-29 07:40AM | 0 recs
That tickles!

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm so cool . . .

Ew. This makes me want to cry a little...

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-29 12:12PM | 0 recs
chortle!

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm as cool as...

I'm so cool you could keep a side of beef on me for a month.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:29AM | 0 recs
I'm so cool

That I can make a whole crowd shiver just by walking into the room.

by lollydee 2008-05-29 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

i wish i could just swallow my own head and then come back out june 4th

by Monolithic 2008-05-29 05:49AM | 0 recs
Heh
The craniorectal inversion imagery this evokes is both amusing and disturbing.
by Vancouverite 2008-05-29 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

Mojo'd for using the word "craniorectal."

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-29 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

How do you know when it's done?

When superdelegates aren't getting contacted by the campaigns. That means that both know it's already wrapped up.

So, check this out:

"Muriel Offerman said she's still willing to wait.

The Democratic National Committeewoman, one of North Caroilna's five remaining undecided superdelegates, said that she won't make a final decision until after the primaries are over.

"I had said early on that I would not make a decision until after the last primary at least," she said. "It may be later in June."

Offerman said she received a lot of phone calls after last week's primaries from surrogates for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, but none recently."
http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_t he_dome/offerman_still_waiting_to_endors e

by politicsmatters 2008-05-29 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Well said. Calling Hillary supporters names, trolling them or the like convinces nobody and in their minds it only proves their point. And I think with some justification.

It's a nice day I think I'll go outside and enjoy it :)

by jsfox 2008-05-29 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Beautiful spring day here in southern New Hampshire. One of those just picture perfect sunny, blue sky, 68 degree, spring days.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Well we must be pretty close 'cause my day here in Southern NH is beautiful too (Peterborough)

by jsfox 2008-05-29 06:38AM | 0 recs
Thanks

I think the site needed that.

After New Hampshire, I don't think Obama's taken anything for granted.  

The Clinton camp... I'm not sure what their game is, but if they try to take it to the convention, they'll find themselves increasingly alone.  Honestly I don't think it's a great legacy for them to leave.  

Nobody is going to accuse them of being "quitters," that's for sure.

by Dracomicron 2008-05-29 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Very wise, very 'cool' words, if I may say so myself. I agree with pretty much everything you said.

I also think it's very, very unlikely that Clinton would take this to the convention.

by VAAlex 2008-05-29 05:54AM | 0 recs
Hillary Supporter Thanks You

As a Hillary supporter, I greatly appreciate you taking the lead in calming the Obama supporters here on MyDD. They have become overly zealous in their attacks on Hillary and her supporters (again). Good luck to you and your candidate this weekend.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-29 05:58AM | 0 recs
Rowdy Indie thanks you, too

Here, have one of these!  It's virtual tequila, real limes, essence of Wolf Howl and five shots of Grand Marnier.  I haven't come up with a name for it yet, but if you drink three fast I bet you can think of one...

I'll be right back, enjoy the music.

Roger!  What are you doing here!?!

-crish

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Rowdy Indie thanks you, too

Is "essence of Wolf Howl" a real thing?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 12:38PM | 0 recs
sure. you're soaking in it...

...or is that marmalade?  And what are you doing fying that swan around the room?

Hey!  Those weren't chocolate cookies!

-sirhc

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Massively well timed and well written diary. Highly rec'd. I also think that Obama has played this end game very well, keeping his cool when we were sometimes stressing. I know there is this tendency to believe that the Clinton team can leverage whatever outcome they want if they fight hard enough but in this case Hillary, if she won't come to the sane conclusion on her own (which I think she will), will face a pretty impressive arsenal of national dems ready to show her the exit in face-saving, but firm, style. Thanks Travis for this well timed reminder to give the Obama team a bit of credit for toughness and determination.

by wasder 2008-05-29 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

I joined the "I'm so chilled" thread below (how could I resist?) and I agree in large part with your diary.

...but still, the battle is not won and snipers are still causing casualities...

There will be more pacing between now and next week.

My youngest daughter's birthday is June 4.  It would be a good gift for her future to have an end to this then.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

June 4th is my 25th wedding anniversary. To the younger MyDD'ers, the most important decision you'll ever make in you entire life is who will be your spouse. Though young and stupid, I was lucky enough to find the perfect person to spend my life with and I love her more now than a quarter century (yikes) ago. It's possible.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:30AM | 0 recs
Congratulations!

25 years!  Wow!  I've been thrilled to get to 10, myself! Have a great day!

by JulieinVT 2008-05-29 06:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations!

Yes, it is all the more amazing since we were both 4 years old at the time. ;-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations!

Then let me warn you that turning thirty can make you do some weird stuff.  Maybe the experience of child marriage will help ward off the trauma of that imminent milestone.

by Strummerson 2008-05-29 07:07AM | 0 recs
Keep your wife away from Warren Jeff...

That shouldn't be too hard since he's in Federal prison.

by nklein 2008-05-29 09:32AM | 0 recs
Congrats!

We just did 21 on Monday (though we celebrate Nov 11 more, 25 years since our first date this year).

Lemme get you another drink.  Those two you got look warm.  You just have to try what I just invented, it's called a "Yo Bomber", and if I can remember what went into it I'm gonna open a bar and serve them all night, and then we'll all pile into your car and drive to Mexico!...

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:47AM | 0 recs
Hillary's plan

Clinton is going to take this to the convention.  Ted Kennedy's remained a powerful Senator after his convention fight and Hillary knows this.  She only cares about herself and her road to the WH goes through Denver.  

After she ruins Obama's chances at winning the GE at the convention she will get on board his bandwagon and she and Bill will campaign like hell for him until he loses in November.  After that she will be the lead Democrat in the Senate fighting the good fight against McCain for two and half years and then she will begin running for President again.  

If Obama and the supers have the ability to stop her we will find out shortly.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

"After that she will be the lead Democrat in the Senate fighting the good fight against McCain for two and half years and then she will begin running for President again.  "

See there's the bit that doesn't work.  There will be 4 years of Clinton being trashed over and over again and blamed for the loss.  No way she wins even one state in 2012.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 06:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

I have stopped saying "there is no way Hillary Clinton will..."   She has proved me wrong time and again.  

Once she ruins Obama's chances by causing a floor fight she will get behind him and redeem herself over the next two months.  If Obama does lose it will be close and chances are the Repubs will be doing something illegal or close to it to "help" McCain win.  The shift for the loss then moves toward Republican dirty tricks and Hillary investigates this in her role in the Senate.  All is forgiven after she nails a few R's to the floorboards and compromises with McCain to get some D friendly legislation passed.  

By 2012 Hillary will be redeemed enough to raise a shitpot full of money and a bunch of superdelegates before one vote is cast.  She learns from her mistakes in 2008, wins the nomination.  She puts an African American in the VP slot and wins the WH in 2012.  

I used to make the same mistake you are making right now.  I used to think Hillary had a line she wouldn't cross.  I was wrong about that.  She has no line.  She is also the best liar I have seen... ever.   She will lie her way to forgiveness/redemption.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

"The shift for the loss then moves toward Republican dirty tricks and Hillary investigates this in her role in the Senate.  All is forgiven after she nails a few R's to the floorboards and compromises with McCain to get some D friendly legislation passed.  "

...and then Clinton votes for the bill authorizing force in Iran in order to make her look tough enough to be President and all of that good will is shattered.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 06:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

She doesn't care about Iran one way or the other.  If it helps her win the WH she will vote against the bill.  

If Hillary gave a shit about the Party she would have left the race after Wisconsin.  She isn't stupid.  She knows Obama has this thing won.  Why does she continue to run?  I have given you my answer above.  Maybe I am too jaded to come up with a positive reason for her to stay in the race but I have tried and I can't think of one.  What good reason does she have to stay in this race and compare FL to Zimbabwe?  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 07:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

I'm not going to argue if she has core beliefs or not, but if nothing else I do think she thinks that she wouldn't be able to win the White House as an anti-war candidate.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 07:09AM | 0 recs
She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

No way this goes to the convention, for many reasons:

1.  She'll be blamed for Obama's loss if she does this.  Conceding in June keeps her hands clean.  Her presence up to the end has made Obama a stronger candidate.

2.  She wants to have a career after this.  Becoming the pariah of the party ruins her, and more importantly, ruins the legacy of her husband and any possible future in politics for her daughter.

3.  She also wants to preserve her place in history.  If she ends this in June, her name and groundbreaking achievement is secure in American history books in a positive light.

4.  Finally, she is a loyal, fiercely partisan Democrat who would rather cut off her arm than destroy an election that we are expected to win in 1932-size margins.

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

1.  She'll be blamed for Obama's loss if she does this.  Conceding in June keeps her hands clean.  Her presence up to the end has made Obama a stronger candidate.

She won't get enough blame to hurt her permanently.   As I said elsewhere she and Bill will campaign for Obama tirelessly after the convention and their fake sincerity will convince enough people that she really wants him to win.  

2.  She wants to have a career after this.  Becoming the pariah of the party ruins her, and more importantly, ruins the legacy of her husband and any possible future in politics for her daughter.

Ted Kennedy had a career after his floor fight.  

3.  She also wants to preserve her place in history.  If she ends this in June, her name and groundbreaking achievement is secure in American history books in a positive light.

Becoming the first Female President in 2012 is the  place in history she truly covets.  Few people will remember much about her in 25 years if she never wins the WH.  

4.  Finally, she is a loyal, fiercely partisan Democrat who would rather cut off her arm than destroy an election that we are expected to win in 1932-size margins.

Loyal Democrats don't compare Florida to Zimbabwe or keep a campaign going months after it was lost.    

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

Jesus.  It never ends with some people.  Hillary is the root of all evil, and Bill isn't far behind, blah blah blah.  Don't you ever get tired of being so relentlessly negative? Is it so difficult for you to believe that loyal Democrats can differ about the best way to get things done?

by Denny Crane 2008-05-29 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

Is it so difficult for you to believe that loyal Democrats can differ about the best way to get things done?

The best way to get Obama elected is to fight his nomination all the way to the convention?  How do you figure that?  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

What?  Where did say that?

by Denny Crane 2008-05-29 11:28AM | 0 recs
The problem is

she's out there undermining his legitimacy at this very moment, pushing the FL/MI and the "caucuses are illegitimate" line.  You need only look around this site to see her supporters swallowing that right up.

Look, I really would like to give her the benefit of the doubt, and I have in fact praised her in two diaries on this very site, but what she is doing right now at least gives one pause as to her commitment to a Dem victory in November.  Simply repeating that she's a loyal democrat is cold comfort.

by JJE 2008-05-29 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: The problem is

This argument holds no water for me right now.  If this were July, I might by your argument.  But it's not, it's May.  We have a few more contests, and then it's over.  There is a very long time between now and November, and the idea that because Sen. Clinton won't just get out of Obama's way this very minute means she's somehow damaging him is just ridiculous.

My guess is that there are maybe 6 people who know for certain what her intentions are, and with all due respect, none of them are posting in this thread. I don't believe that she'll take this to the convention, but that's just my opinion.

Obama and Clinton continue to energize people wherever they go, which lays waste to the idea that he's being damaged for November.  If anything, she's making him a stronger candidate, not weaker. After next week, I expect the supers to end this, but I doubt even then that will be enough for some of you.  

Both Clintons (and Carville, and Rendell and Begala, etc.) have said over and over that Hillary will be out there campaigning for the nominee as hard as she can, but I doubt that would convince you either.

I admire her determination and her grit.  If John Kerry had showed the same spine about Ohio last time, he'd be president right now and  our country wouldn't be in this mess.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-29 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

She's not behaving like a loyal democrat, Denny...

Wow, I just sounded like Alan Shore! ;-)

by LordMike 2008-05-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: She. Is. A. Loyal. Democrat.

Cigar Denny? How's the mad cow? ;-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:16AM | 0 recs
Denny?? Boston Legal Denny?

You are the greatest, man!  C'mere, lemme get you a virtual beer!

<steps over Travis, who thinks he is leaning against a wall>

Say "KHAN!!!!" for me?  Please?

:~)

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Denny?? Boston Legal Denny?

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-29 12:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Denny?? Boston Legal Denny?

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 12:43PM | 0 recs
i agree...

...history has proven there is no line that Hillary will not cross.

She will always fabricate some reason for her to soldier on as long as she personally wants to continue.

Everyone keeps assuming that she will do the reasonable thing, but I have seen no present or past evidence to indicate that she will.

by d 2008-05-29 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

I'm afraid you're probably right about everyone forgiving her.  I won't, but most will I'm sure.  After all, how can you explain why so many have forgiven her for her Iraq war vote and for failing to read the NIE before casting the most important vote of her life.  It seems no matter what she does, they will blindly forgive her.

by Dirk Diggler 2008-05-29 10:32AM | 0 recs
With respect, Hillary is not Ted

She doesn't have anywhere near the political capital he did, but that would be between Sen. Clinton and the state of New York. She might be able to return to the Senate, but any higher aspirations would be done.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: With respect, Hillary is not Ted

...and also 2008 isn't 1980.  There's much more focus on politics now with 24 hour news networks and the Internet.  

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's plan

Taking it to the convention is only a viable threat if she can hold her block of super delegates to together. She may not give a crap about what a floor fight will do but they do. If Obama gets the majority needed they will expect her to concede or they will abandon her.

Without her party supporters behind her she will look ridiculous taking it to the convention and will be a threat to no one but herself.

The best she can hope for is she concedes in June after Obama gets a majority of delegates, campaigns like hell for Obama and secretly hopes that she was right and he loses. That is her only possible path to the White House. If she takes it to the convention and loses she is finished. If she takes it to the convention and by some miracle wins she won't be able to get elected dog catcher.  After a real convention brawl she will be radioactive to segments of voters she can not win without.

If she can't convince the super delegates to give it to her in June (and that looks close to impossible) her only path to POTUS is supporting Obama and keeping her fingers crossed that it does not go well for him.

by hankg 2008-05-29 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

AFter the meeting on Saturday, then when the primaries are over - Hillary will appeal the decision, and head to the convention in August fighting Obama.

by nikkid 2008-05-29 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

This is what is going to happen folks.  Panicking about it won't help but we shouldn't pretend it won't happen.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 06:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

I think it's unlikely, but possible.

She will have massive superdelegate defections if she takes that route. And, frankly, I think a lot of her delegates earned through primaries and caucuses would also defect; those tend to be state and local party folks whose loyalty to the party goes beyond their loyalty to the Clintons.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-29 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

I hope you are right but my odds on a convention fight are 50/50.  IMO, Clinton only cares about herself.  If she doesn't win the WH in 2008 or 2012 she won't be President.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Hey, hey hey! We're trying to chill here. Don't harsh our mellow!

You could be right, but there will be plenty of time to go there starting on Wednesday. Right now such speculation does nobody any good, and it's really such a short time until we'll know for sure.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Sorry.  I didn't mean to take a dump in your diary, but I think it would be a mistake to chill at this point.  We can't trust Hillary to do the right thing for the Party.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 06:48AM | 0 recs
That's OK. I'll drop by and pee in your pool later

You may be right about what Hillary will do, but what can we do about it at this point? Not a thing. We are mere spectators, watching the closing minutes of (at least) this phase of the campaign. I just think it's a time to dismantle and clean the flame throwers. Get out the WD40. Fill up the tanks. Make sure everything is in working order.

Have a virtual martini on me. It is a bit of a cliffhanger we're watching, but we've got the best guy possible on point, and we're awaiting orders.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:02AM | 0 recs
Go on offense

The more people hear about the "evil Hillary" theory the more people won't buy Hillary's bogus reason to stay in the race until the convention.  Obama and his gang can't come right out and say Clinton is ruining his chances at the WH on purpose.  If we can make enough noise about it on the internets maybe the MSM will write a story or two about it.  

It is also important to remember that the Press wants a floor fight.  

I hate to sound this paranoid on beautiful sunny day, but conventional wisdom has been wrong at every turn during this nomination battle so it is time to look for unconventional wisdom.  I just don't understand what Hillary's motives are and that is disturbing.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 07:11AM | 0 recs
Ya, but...

Hey Ya-but!!!!

Right now this is all based upon the speculation that Hillary will not do the right thing. Keeping in mind that every candidate, ever, has said that they'd fight to the end, even while writing their concession speech, we don't know what Hillary will do next week. Obama knows that this is a time to wait, reload, recharge, and see what's next. We don't look good (IMHO) attacking "what if's", and assuming the worst. Better to leave the opening to do the right thing, but be prepared should the red alert siren go off on Wednesday or Thursday.

Virtual margaritas are done! Do I smell virtual buffalo wings?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Ya, but...

Time will tell.  We agree on this. Thanks for the wings.

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: That's OK. I'll drop by and pee in your pool l

She cannot force a convention fight if the delegates don't stay with her. If the supers come out in force next week for Obama, Clinton can complain but what can she do. She will be outnumbered.

by wasder 2008-05-29 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: That's OK. I'll drop by and pee in your pool l

Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner. Have a virtual buffalo wing.

(You over there. Get a room! This is a family virtual party. That's taking coming together to extremes!) Excuse me. Gotta run.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: That's OK. I'll drop by and pee in your pool l

Her goal isn't to win it is to "help" Obama lose.  She lost this race months ago.  

In the immortal words of Kyle Reese:

"Listen and understand. Hillary is out there. She can't be bargained with. She can't be reasoned with. She doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear. And she absolutely will not stop - ever! Until Obama's campaign is dead."

Didn't Hillary serve on the board of Cyberdyne Systems Corporation?  Coincidence?  I think not.

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 07:34AM | 0 recs
Your mistrust of Hillary

is a little disturbing to me but you're certainly not alone.  If you had taken the time to read anything she has written, read her bio, learn about just some of the amazing things this amazing woman has done over the course of the last 38 years, you would not think so poorly of her.  It saddens me to hear Democrats verbalize Republican framing of Hillary Clinton.

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 07:58AM | 0 recs
How about when they stop polling her next week?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:09AM | 0 recs
Maybe you're right. Are they still polling Paul?

Latte? We can put a lil' somethin somethin in that for you to kick it up a notch if you like.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:19AM | 0 recs
OK. Maybe. We'll see next week.

There. You're entitled to your opinion. I hope she doesn't go there. I still have a reasonable hope that she has principles that will guide her in a different direction.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Stop trolling the threads, wouldja? You're a detriment to representing your candidate.

by ragekage 2008-05-29 07:31AM | 0 recs
I tend to agree.

I hope she doesn't, but i think she will take this to the convention.  If she hasn't admitted that she can't or won't win at this point, what in the world is going to change that between now and the convention?

The history of our politics for the past decade has been that the most unreasonable scenarios are what actually occur, so I now expect that she will continue on until the convention.  The whole time she will claim that she is helping Democrats by keeping the race "energized" and boosting viewership of the convention.

by d 2008-05-29 10:16AM | 0 recs
You don't have a drink! Here,

take one of mine.

The food is over there, just past where KnowNox is dancing with the bear (is that a bear or is that Vet75?)...

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Hillary Who? Her last name escapes me.

by feliks 2008-05-29 06:19AM | 0 recs
I'm a Seattle sports fan and a Democrat

...I'm so used to having victory yanked away from me that it's very hard to imagine winning.  I'm trying to chill, but it's not always easy.

As long as Bill Leavy [1] isn't in charge of the rules meeting this weekend, I guess I can relax.

[1] Head ref for Super Bowl XL.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 06:20AM | 0 recs
Pittsburgh Was Better

The Seahawks played well, but Pittsburgh was the better team.

Seattle has a couple of championships: The Seattle Sonics in the 70s and the Seattle Storm just a few years ago.

But let's be realistic. Most of the time Seattle just don't field good teams. If they field good regular season teams, they aren't good play off teams. Victory is rarely yanked away. It's more like victory was never on the horizon to begin with.

In my lifetime, the only candidate that I rooted for to begin with, and won the presidency was Clinton in 1996 (and Bill Clinton never excited me that much). I rooted for RFK (68), Humphrey (72), Brown (76), Carter (80), Hart (84), Hart then Simon (88), Kerrey (92), Bradley but quickly switched to Gore (00), Dean (04) and Clinton (08).  Now that's being Seattle like.

by Zzyzzy 2008-05-29 06:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Pittsburgh Was Better

Pittsburgh was NOT better.  They had better press because they're not a west coast team, but the Seahawks were a really good team.  We didn't play 100% that day, but with any breaks at all, we win that.

And don't bring up the Sonics right now, since they're going away despite Key being rebuilt in 1994, because someone wanted a basketball team in his city, so he just bought one and will move it.

Clinton's moves right now are reminding me of the '97 M's bullpen, just enough to pull defeat out of any victory.  Going to the convention would be the Varitek and Lowe for Sloclumb trade all over again.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 07:00AM | 0 recs
The Five Stages of Drinking


http://larrymillerhumor.com/media/index. php

2. 'You just spent 20 minutes arguing against artificial turf...'

3.  'You just spent 20 minutes arguing for artificial turf...'

4. 'You are artificial turf.'

-chris  

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 02:00PM | 0 recs
So maybe that's what we can do!

You're right! It's not easy. It's not even in my nature, but what if we turn it into an affirmative action. After going to the Obama site and making a contribution, we can all do the most difficult thing possible. We can keep a cool head when those around us are boiling over. I like that. It's difficult, but it's something we can actually do.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:49AM | 0 recs
Booo hiss!

Seahawk dead-ender!

Only Obama can unite Steelers fans and Seahawks fans.

by JJE 2008-05-29 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Booo hiss!

yeah, but is he good enough to unite Browns and Steelers fans?

by hopeful 2008-05-29 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Booo hiss!

Or Cowboys and Redskins fans?

by JustJennifer 2008-05-29 11:01AM | 0 recs
Anything is Possible!

Cowboys Booo, hisss, boo, hiss;

Skins, Yay!! Wee, Yay!  Awesome!

Actually, the only one who could possibly do that is maybe Malcom Kelly, the Cowboy at heart new WR for the Skins

by KLRinLA 2008-05-29 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Booo hiss!

Or Eagles fans with...well...anyone?

by fogiv 2008-05-29 03:08PM | 0 recs
Nobody's that good...

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Ah good points.  I've found myself steadily heading downhill in tolerance for what I perceive to be bullshit from Hillary lovers and Obama haters, but a good reminder to keep it civil and cool regardless.

We'll know a lot more by the end of next week.  I don't think Hillary will jeopardize Obama's chances if he gets to 2026 or whatever the number ends up being.  She wants to remain a powerful figure in the democratic party, and if she's seen as torpedoing Obama's chances, she'll have a pretty tough time convincing people that she isn't as bad as her most vicious detractors say she is.  Hillary's much much better than that, so don't worry.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-29 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Many good points raised in the diary. 2nd Guessing the candidates has laid waste to both pundits & supporters this season.

Obama continues ignoring my direction of his campaign, and is succeeding because it. Lol.

June 3 is the day Jimmy Carter singled out as the day he would announce, and the day that Clinton should...well...I don't want to paraphrase his words. In any case, should be obvious by June 5 if there is a real intention for a floor fight.

To be really worried about it, I'd have to believe BOTH things:

1. That Hillary's dumb enought to do it.
&
2. That Barack's dumb enough not to stop it.

I guess many people might believe one or the other, but I can't believe that both 1 & 2 are true.

Yes, I worried about it, but not so much.

by catilinus 2008-05-29 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

How exactly do you stop someone if they do want a floor fight?

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Know what you call a floor fight when you don't have the votes to do anything?

(Really short.)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Yes Obama will be the nominee, but what do you call it when someone who received nearly as many votes as the nominee spends the entire summer trashing the nominee and saying that she was cheated?  If she goes there, it doesn't matter what happens in Denver, the nomination is going to be massively tarnished.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 07:20AM | 0 recs
Trashing where exactly?

Once Obama is the presumptive nominee, she'd have to dress up as a duck just to get a camera crew to show up at her house.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Trashing where exactly?

Hey I hope you're right, but it's not like Hillary Clinton is some sort of obscure candidate.  Wife of an ex-President, Senator from New York, one of the best known politicians in the country, close runner up to the presumptive nominee?  If nothing else, Fox would love to cover that in order to weaken the Democrats and then the other networks would cover Fox covering it.

I still think there's a very good chance that she will concede in the next week or two, but if she feels like causing chaos, she could and there isn't any way that anyone could stop her.  Clinton is not Mike Huckabee.

by thezzyzx 2008-05-29 07:48AM | 0 recs
Nobody pays attention to Taylor Marsh

and the sexism meme has peaked. When you've lost and you're just refusing to concede, that label goes on top of all others.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:13AM | 0 recs
Nope

I agree with you.

How much crap do the Clinton dead enders have to throw at Obama before we realize that they will never get in line behind his nomination?   All we have to do is take most of them at their word that they will sit out the election.  I for one expect them to campaign against Obama

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-29 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Nope

Most, "most," most, Democrats who support Clinton will vote for the Democratic nominee. Let's salute the ones who will, and leave the others to their own conscience.

The ones who will campaign against Obama in the GE are a very small percentage of Hillary's overall supporters in the country, no matter how vocal here. Whether they're anti-Obama, moderates, conservatives, trolls, freepers, or any other category, so be it.

The majority are loyal democrats (like my sister). Let's not do them the disservice of lumping all her current supporters into "dead-enders."

The real dead-enders, the freeper trolls posing as supporters, do their best to mix-in with real supporters--of either side. Some make it on the diary list. God bless 'em & their blather, they'll find it harder getting Citizen McKane elected than getting Dems to knock Dems.

by catilinus 2008-05-29 10:18AM | 0 recs
Here's how.

Her entire superdelegation (I just made that word up!) defects en masse to Obama the moment she announces she is taking it to the convention.  She won't do it, I can assure you.  She is poised to be one of the most powerful people in the Democratic party, and after the election, in all government.  She won't blow that...

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 08:01AM | 0 recs
Excellent!

I hope you're right. Do superdelegates get t-shirts with a big S on them. Wouldn't it be really cool if there was a rule that said that if you were a superdelegate you had to wear a red cape to the convention!

Virtual beer? We got all kinds.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Excellent!

Stella Artois, please.  I like the bitterness of it...

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Excellent!

Good choice! Wait, I'll just cut through the latte line to get to the bar. :-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Here's how.

"Superdelegates are cowards" --Donna Brazile

They could have ended this months ago when it was clear Hillary had absolutely no chance.  Now, they let it fester and have given her supporters false hope and intensified their grudges...

I doubt the superdelegates will do the right thing... they have shown absolutely no sign to do that so far.

by LordMike 2008-05-29 09:07AM | 0 recs
Superdelegates are political animals.

Which means they all have their own skins in mind, and are led by the alpha animals. The last primary provides the cover. The party leaders are the alphas, and they're going to follow like sheep.

Hors d'oeuvre?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:11AM | 0 recs
Does anyone

not see the tremendous party-building that has come out of this?  The supers are in the business of doing what is best for the party long-term, and turnout has clearly demonstrated that continuing the primary for the full season has only been a net benefit for the party.  We have millions of new voters, new party infrastructure where none existed before, and oceans of new small donors that can be tapped again at will.  If turnout was dropping with each contest, then they would have ended it, as that would have demonstrated that voters were tired of the contest.

Hillary staying in, whether she intended it or not (I think she is a good enough partisan Dem to feel that she did), has actually helped Obama's chances immeasurably in November.

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
At this point, 5 days from Montana,

I say, "Here. Here!" I think we should go through the last contest! For the good of the party! Speaking of parties... has the second band showed up yet?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: At this point, 5 days from Montana,

I'm the frontman for that second band.  I live in MT you see, and I'm voting for my girl on Tuesday.  I feel I owe her that much, even though I know it's over...

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
I'm cool with that jarhead

Hey! Really ex-marine? Wait. No such thing. Marine?

And do you think it would be OK if your band did maybe one set?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 10:04AM | 0 recs
I can do a convincing Bobby Darin

if you folks know the chops.

Lookup the music for:

"You musta been a beautiful Baby"
"Beyond the Sea"
"Splish Splash"
"Mack the Knife"

and, of course

"Irresistible You"

On three.  "One Two Three!"

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I can do a convincing Bobby Darin

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 10:58AM | 0 recs
That's exactly right!!!

Ya' gotta do those Bobby squeaks...

"yowk!"

There's one at the end of YMHBABB that always rips my vocal chords.

Gimme a Yaegerita and I'll give it a whirl...

-chris "stops to profoundly pontificate and is summarily thrown in the fishpond" blask

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: I can do a convincing Bobby Darin

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm cool with that jarhead

Anything for you Trav...

by jarhead5536 2008-05-29 11:00AM | 0 recs
I'm so confident

we've grown the party that I still believe Obama can win 47 states in November (though I'm starting to wonder about WV).

And, honestly, I can't blame Clinton for staying in.  She's been behind by a small but significant margin for the past three months in a contest involving 35 million people with extremely high stakes.  It must be extremely difficult to deal with psychologically, and she seems to be putting up with it well.

by corph 2008-05-29 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

A career ending embarrassment?

by fogiv 2008-05-29 03:09PM | 0 recs
What is most upsetting

is the Republican glee and support for a convention fight.

It's their best hope of winning.

by missliberties 2008-05-29 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: What is most upsetting

Might be their only hope.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-29 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Corrected the diarist accordingly:

"This weeping and gnashing of teeth has been exacerbated by an increase in Republican trolling on this site in the last couple of days, with truth-free Clinton hit pieces coming at a more rapid pace."

by KnowVox 2008-05-29 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

See. Some people just can't ever be mellow. Time to make up a new pitcher of virtual martinis. Where'd I put the virtual olives.

Hey! You over there! Stop peeing in our virtual pool!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Yep, it's NOT a time to be "mellow" over universal health care, the reproductive rights of women, the Bush energy bill giving six billion dollars to the oil companies, etc, etc.

by KnowVox 2008-05-29 09:10AM | 0 recs
And guess what!

We're going to have a nominee who'll fight for these things! Yay!

Where'd I put my glass? Is that Alegre with the lampshade? How cool!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: And guess what!

Travis Stark: you're great.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-29 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: And guess what!

Yeppers! HILLARY is the ONLY candidate who is fighting for these issues. Yay for Madame President!

by KnowVox 2008-05-29 10:07AM | 0 recs
Nah. That's the booze talking.

C'mon. Give me your keys. When you start arguing Obama isn't fighting for these things too, well, that's just crazy talk. Did you walk? You're really not up to driving home.

I know. C'mon. We can cut the latte line and get you a double espresso.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Nah. That's Obama talking

Yep, Obama's NOT fighting for universal health care, he voted merely "present" on important reproductive rights legilsation, and FOR the Bush energy bill giving six billion dollars to the oil companies. Hillary is our BEST and most progressive candidate.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll article?AID=/20080530/VOICES01/80530030 6-1/voices01

by KnowVox 2008-05-30 05:32AM | 0 recs
OK. OK. Headache. Remember.

Enjoy your opinion today. You're going to have a rough week.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-30 08:11AM | 0 recs
He's chill

His correction is correct - by "truth-free Clinton hit pieces", he obviously means truth-free hit pieces coming from Clinton and her campaign.  In other words, status quo.

by ThinkerT 2008-05-29 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: He's chill

Sorry, forgot to add the ;) {wink} to that snark, because I'm chill...

by ThinkerT 2008-05-29 09:15AM | 0 recs
Is this snark?

I'm serious.

Nah! I'm just joshin' ya. Hey! I didn't know we had a virtual hot tub!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Is this snark?

Yep, and to keep everyone chill, I left my virtual banana-hammock at home.  ;)

by ThinkerT 2008-05-29 09:38AM | 0 recs
The whole Internet thanks you!

;-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

How do you think it's going to happen?  I mean the massive superdelegate endorsements and switches next week?

I picture a crowd on the capitol steps with Obama in the front.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-29 07:01AM | 0 recs
Hmmmm. How would I do it?

With the disclaimer that Sen. Obama is smarter than me (and I think it's the first time I've had a candidate I would say that about), and probably does not have this plan.

Assuming Hillary doesn't indicate by Wednesday she will concede, then I'd fire a shot across the bow. If I had Gore in my pocket, I'd have him give a big speech at a media-opportune time on Wednesday. Gore gives good speech.

On Thursday, I'd have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid do the Capital steps press conference.

Then I'd let the rest of the supers parcel out over the course of a week or so. A lot, of course, would depend upon what the Clinton camp was saying about a potential convention fight.

Martini? I see someone's over at the virtual blender making margaritas if you'd care to wait. ;-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

I switch back and forth..

to chill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpjrx4cA6 Uo

to rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxNf2uCxd 3E

by nogo postal 2008-05-29 07:06AM | 0 recs
You are so right

Over and over, Obama and his team have refused to panic and have made great decisions.  Unifying the party and working with Hillary Clinton and her supporters is a key test of leadership for him.  If he can't handle this, do we really think he up to the test in the general election and the republicans, and then up to the test of being the POTUS?  

We need to support and trust, and remember that we are on the same team as those folks who have passionately supported Hillary.  This is not some kind of football game where the winning side gets to yell "scoreboard"!  This is more like the tryout for the team and when the tryouts are over, we are going to need everyone on the team to work together in order to accomplish what needs to be done.

by zmus 2008-05-29 08:01AM | 0 recs
Yup.

He's been smarter than most of us.

He's been better behaved than most of us.

He's the kind of President we would deserve if we were better people.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:15AM | 0 recs
His sang froid back in October

when the idiot media were fretting about what he needed to do to "shake up the race", was most impressive.  Iowa was always Clinton's Achilles heel.  He gave a few great speeches, shored up his organizing and rose steadily in the polls to national competitivness.  Reminded me of Kerry in '04 after he shook off his righteous indignation approach to the Dean surge.

I have to say, while there are plenty of ways our nominees could have campaigned better in the past, I think overall Democrats have picked a pretty good bunch.

by corph 2008-05-29 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

Rec'd and thanks.

From this Clinton supporter who thinks that Obama will be the nominee.

I agree with much of what you say and your approach. Though I don't agree that Obama is the best Democrat in the race, I do think that he would make a fine President.

by carrieboberry 2008-05-29 08:14AM | 0 recs
Thanks to the Clinton supporters!

For bringing the punch (guaranteed koolaid free!) and the cupcakes! Yoo-hoo. We got us a Thursday party! This is a no stress zone.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill!

It says here on the box "cook and chill".  And that's just what we do: we cook, and then we chill.

How'd you get 200 dollars worth of pudding anyway?

by Jess81 2008-05-29 08:25AM | 0 recs
I got pudding connections! :-)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:47AM | 0 recs
I know some Pudding Riddles...

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I know some Pudding Riddles...

Well... let's hear 'em!

Aside: I heard Grace Hopper speak at my sister-in-law's graduation years ago. My favorite line was, "It's easier to apologize, than to get permission."

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: I know some Pudding Riddles...

"How many is a Tapioca?"

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 01:49PM | 0 recs
First band's here!

Hat check guy. It's not that complicated. Flamethrowers in this box. Rocket launchers in this one. Kevlar does NOT like wire hangers. C'mon! You can do this! Yes you can!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: First band's here!

B-52s?  Too mainstream.  How 'bout some Monks?

by fogiv 2008-05-29 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

No, she's taking it to the convention.  She doesn't care about her legacy.  She doesn't care about her political future.  She only cares about the presidency.  In her mind, if she doesn't get that, her whole life has been a failure.

She's all in on this one.  It's all that matters to her.  She's in it until the bitter end.

But, here is no sense crying about it.  We shall overcome this just as we have overcome former obstacles.  I have faith that we will win this election with or without Hillary Clinton's support.

by LordMike 2008-05-29 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Maybe. We'll see in a few days. Not sure it matters.

Hey! You brought onion dip! I LOVE onion dip! Tastes like... VICTORY! Thanks!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
Grabs a vodka tonic (extra limes)

and begins to chill, This is a relatively troll free zone.  This year is looking very good. sips the vodka tonic.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 09:24AM | 0 recs
So... Student Guy...

How's the education thing goin'? I envy all students. I wish I was back in school full time. Time for my kids to go though. I'm living vicariously through them.

Oh. Man. Somebody's dancing on the dining room table. Gotta go. There's more virtual limes under the bar.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:29AM | 0 recs
It is going pretty good

I am off to lab in 10 minutes.
I aced a test this week which has got me my old confidence back.

Grabs an extra lime and shifts away from the troll intrusion.

by Student Guy 2008-05-29 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

It's 5pm somewhere!

<passes out near stairs>

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-29 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Hey! Who drew this penis on my face?

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-29 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Passing out at a party is a Free Pass for the reprobates.

The penis is a bit much, but I think the tutu and clown shoes look good on you!  Seriously!

Here, take my virtual boilermaker and we'll go find some markers - KnowVox is snoozing in the kitchen...

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

...I'm not missing that for the world.  Can I write "I LOVE OBAMA" on his forehead?

Pretty please?!?

by fogiv 2008-05-29 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Sure.  Here, I have a whole bag of colored pens.

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 03:39PM | 0 recs
True

I actually agree that Obama will be able to coalesce the party.  But I also agree that he will do that (or not) regardless of what I or other Obama supporters say on this website.  If me being snarky or sarcastic to the most ridiculous Hillary supporters (which is probably about .001% of all Hillary supporters) on this website somehow costs him the election, then he isn't the one we have been waiting for.  And besides, it's fun!

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-29 09:40AM | 0 recs
Know what's fun?

Know what's fun (he says stepping over the body on the stairs)?

Being the supporters our candidate deserves. WAY cool. I'm not really great at it myself, but it's a radical thing.

Gawd I love you guys. (sniff)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:56AM | 0 recs
Get rid of the ridiculous sig lines

Can we please do this, and encourage the HRC people to do the same?

by blue2008 2008-05-29 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Get rid of the ridiculous sig lines

That's a great idea! Actually that's a wonderful idea! (Maybe it's the virtual Sam Adams talking.)

A good topic for it's own diary. We should all agree that only trolls will keep sig lines that are negative of the other candidate. A FINE idea! You should do a diary about it.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
New band.

(Oh man. Who passed out in the onion dip!)

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 09:44AM | 0 recs
It's all good.....

<hiccup>

by JulieinVT 2008-05-29 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: New band.

Excellent choice.

by fogiv 2008-05-29 03:25PM | 0 recs
You're so right...

Thanks for the positive vibes.

by SpanishFly 2008-05-29 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Has everyone seen Gravel's Obamagirl video?  Even the outtakes are funny.  Makes me like the guy.

video

outtakes

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 10:45AM | 0 recs
Bobby and Stevie

I didn't even know this existed!

Everybody dance!

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 11:55AM | 0 recs
This is too serious to just &quot;chill&quot;
If Clinton takes this to a convention fight, which I fully support, it's not because we want to destroy the Democratic party. It's because we want the Democrats to win in November. Although Obama might win against McCain, Clinton has a much better chance. All the tracking polls indicate as much.

At this point, it does not matter that Obama is the first viable AA to run, as it does not matter that Clinton is the first viable female to run for President. This is only about Democrats winning the White House. Personally, I believe McCain and the GOP will decimate Obama in a general election.

by zenful6219 2008-05-29 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: This is too serious to just &quot;chill&quot;

And the very name of "Hillary" is a clarion call to activism for most right-wing boneheads. The deep slump that the neocons are currently mired in will be a thing of the past if she's the nominee. What have been lackluster fundraisers will take on new lives, with Rush "America Held Hostage" Limbaugh leading the (un)righteous brigade of torches and pitchforks against the very candidate he's been deviously promoting.

And this doesn't even begin to factor in the calamitous results of Hillary playing GOP-lite throughout the primaries, when the GOP uses her last year's worth of sloganeering against her. Think how much the "experience" meme would be worth with her 1.33 Senate term contrasted with McCain's decades in Congress; with Snipergate posed against a war-hero's torture at the Hanoi Hilton.

Don't get me wrong: I'd sleep a lot better knowing the Clintons were in the WH as opposed to the McCains - but to argue that she's a more formidable GE candidate will require more than opinion polls or rehashed talking points to hold any water.

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-29 01:12PM | 0 recs
Clinton wants to be president. Period.

Your personal opinion about electability is meaningless.  The line that "all the evidence shows" Clinton is more electable is also crap.  In order to believe what you say, a person has to be stupid enough to think that all the supers who support Obama are ignorant of the facts.

THe fact is, no one has run a campaign AGAINST Hillary since February.  Supers aren't stupid; they know this.

It was a contest between two good candidates and Obama won because his campaign was infinitely better.  That's the bottom line.

I'll bet on the guy who knew how to run a winning campaign against an "inevitable" veteran with a legendary national machine, rather than the inevitable veteran with the legendary national political machine who couldn't beat a jr. black senator with no national campaign experience and no name recognition.

You can bet on the loser if you want.

by tibbs 2008-05-29 01:13PM | 0 recs
OK you two. Here's the foam bats. n/t

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 01:22PM | 0 recs
There are some folks outside I

want you to meet.  C'mon...

Let's just follow the funny smell and look for a big cloud of virtual smoke.  I know they'll make you feel better. Ah, there they are under that tree!

Gonzo, Billy, Hooter - this is Zenful.  He (or she)'s feelin' down, lemme leave her (or him) with you guys.  No, not for me, thanks.  I hafta give a speech later and that will just make me ramble on all night...

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 01:44PM | 0 recs
Here's the problem with your logic.

In my virtually inebriated opinion, the supers aren't going to overrule the pledged delegates unless they can absolutely prove to the public that Obama is unelectable. That's not just "might not win," because polls at this point are next to meaningless. To make Hillary the nominee under any other circumstances would destroy the party and make a President McCain (Ew. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.) a certainty.

But, hey, this is a party, so everybody could be right. I'm not so smart. This could all work out that the supers hand the nomination to Hillary even though Obama has the most pledged delegates, African-Americans and young people just say, "Hey. OK," and vote for Hillary, Republicans say, "Hmmm. Honey. Hillary's on the ticket. I think I'll sit this one out," she wins the election and unicorns fly out of my butt. It's conceivable.

If you think there's something you can be doing to effect the outcome, i.e., you are either a superdelegate, or live in Montana, South Dakota, or Puerto Rico, then take some food and a beer to go and get out there and do something for heaven's sake! We'll be here when you get back.

Personally, I've come to the happy realization that this is winding down to a conclusion in the next 5 days with or without me, and it's pretty clear that what I do at this point has little effect, so there's no point in my arguing, or being stressed, or angry. I'm trying to hold fire for a few days. Hopefully by then we can aim at real Republicans, instead of at each other.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Limbo! I'm in!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 01:12PM | 0 recs
OK. Everybody CONGA!

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Thanks for the diary, Travis. You've been able to use humor and levity to disarm the more virulent naysayers in ways that direct verbal opposition hasn't been effective at.

You also make a remarkable point about having faith in the man and his campaign. Based on their urging supporters not to storm the R&B meeting, they do seem fairly confident that they'll prevail.

This is indeed a historic opportunity to show our professed trust in the one we support. I'll be joining your party once I've checked my cynicism at the door.

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-29 01:29PM | 0 recs
Calling all Angels!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho0wMx7MX U8

I don't know how to embed.

But I thought this might speak to some of us this afternoon.  It's a tribute to Dennis Kucinich and his wife Elizabeth, two excellent, excellent people.

We all need each other.

by tibbs 2008-05-29 01:37PM | 0 recs
O-Oh. We slipped in the Rec list.

I've got to step out for a few hours, but do keep the party going and a virtual beer on ice for me when I get back. Here's the keys to the liquor cabinet.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 02:13PM | 0 recs
Very Nice Diary, but not ready to Chill

My worry about her dragging down the party has subsided some, but not completely. This is only because I see the end game in sight and (no offense intended) Hillary Clinton is losing relevancy.

But certain things just piss me off on pure principle. Like her flip-flopping on FL and MI and her fake outrage over voter rights.

So a Saddam Hussein style election where your name is the ONLY one on the ballot should be seated? Thanks, Hillary for standing up for American democracy. Thank for endorsing the original FL and MI decision...then never again saying a word before, during or after until you were way behind. Thanks for then pretending to be champion for voter rights, and then wrongly blaming Barack Obama like it was his doing.    

As for as the (numbers) go it really is of no consequence to Obama's campaign. Because even if Hillary gets all of MI's Hillary vs Hillary votes seated... she is still behind and the Supers will see it for what it is. It's the principle of the matter, pure and simple.

Example after example, it blows my mind that so many people refuse to see how phony she is.

Sorry about ranting in a thread meant to cool heads. I never thought I would say this, especially about Bill. But I have forever lost respect for the Clintons.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-05-29 02:22PM | 0 recs
Sorry I was late, got stuck in traffic, you know

how LA is, yada yada, well I went to the Wine House on Cotner  (not as elitist as it sounds, wine elitists for sure, but price elitist not so much)  Well I actually went there for beer 'cause they usually have a good selection...picked up some Cooper's sparkling ale, tasty Australian beer, be sure to roll the bottle on its side a little before you pop it open, it's got some sediment.  

<bump> Oh...hey..umm...you, how are...um.. you doing?   Cool...Cool...uh...yeah, oh shoot I just remembered  I gotta put these in the fridge, but, waht, no, no, not that one right there, it's full, yeah, the one on the other side of the house, Yeah yeah I'm sure we'll catch up..yeah  (Phew that was close)

by KLRinLA 2008-05-29 03:01PM | 0 recs
This will cool down on it's own

Right now the Obama/Clinton thing is white hot, mostly because it's more exciting than the dead as a doornail GOP and so it drives TV and blogoshere ratings.

But after the June3 elections Clinton will have very little to do and so she can't keep in the news.  It'll be Obama/McCain which so far is not that exciting.  Maybe something outrageous will happen and then everybody can get their adrenalyne up and we can get riled up again.  But I have a feeling without Hillary bashing it just won't be the same.

Anyway Hillary will be gone soon, unless she really does go postal.  I think Obama hits the magic delegate number, she will have to end it, probably not conceding officially but suspending her campaign.  With that the story to this primary season will have reached it's denouement.  

From June to August, what will the story be?  

by spoot 2008-05-29 05:28PM | 0 recs
I think there's SO much there.

It's not like the differences between Obama and McCain aren't stark. I can hardly wait. I'd like to see a debate in July. You can almost tell too that Obama is just itching to be able to take on McCain full time. I'm also looking forward to the press, freed from covering the Democratic drama, begin to focus on McCain.

Plus you know, you just know, that at some point McCain is going to just lose it on camera.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 06:44PM | 0 recs
It'll be Open Season on the GOP

My thoughts are that beating on McCain could quickly turn into puppy-kicking, and what will be the main target is the solar plexus of the entire GOP.

The GOP is so despised and so weak that the puppet on its hand will go down as the whole creaking infrastructure collapses.  It may not be so much as targetting the guy on the roof as kicking out the supports on the ground floor.

Anyone wanna try my new mixed drink?  I call it the Metaphor..

-chris

by chrisblask 2008-05-29 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Yep,it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

by GeeMan 2008-05-29 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters: Chill! (UPDATE: PARTY!!!)

Great diary with soooooooo many interesting comments. You calmed me down and I say cheers to our two unique candidates.

by Politicalslave 2008-05-29 05:53PM | 0 recs
Phew. Great party!

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who dropped by to make this the most fun I've ever had on MyDD. We'll have to have another virtual party again soon. I just know I'm going to have a virtual hangover in the morning though.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-29 07:29PM | 0 recs
Disagree.

You are right on one thing.  Obama will win the nomination.  That is a certainty.  The uncertain issue is just how much we are going to all be tortured by the Clintons before they finally disappear over the horizon.

I do not expect them to withdraw after Obama reaches the magic number, whichever number that is.  They will find some reason to dispute the matter.  I expect this to go to the convention.  And Obama will win there, handily, as well.  But the Clintons will suck all the oxygen out of the room between now and then, preventing Obama from battling McCain.

Will that keep Obama from winning in November?  I don't know.  I think probably not.  But it means that we are all going to be distracted by them for some time to come.  Distraction is all they have left to offer, and they are very good at it.

by Dumbo 2008-05-29 07:46PM | 0 recs
Ugh. My head.

Anybody got a virtual ibuprofen? Any cold pizza left?

by Travis Stark 2008-05-30 05:01AM | 0 recs

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