Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

I don't get why she wants to go to fox news, though more debates are a good idea:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 208/Penn_More_debates.html#comments

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Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

- And ?

The republicans debate on nbc and msnbc which is Obama's channel.

So whats the big deal.

I actually think Fox News as been the most fair and balanced to Hillary Clinton this cycle.

Not the garbage spewed by other networks like nbc

by lori 2008-02-05 09:01AM | 0 recs
Way to quote the RNC playbook.

Fox News is NOT the same as CNN and MSNBC, who despite their flaws are NOT propaganda arms of the DNC.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-02-05 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Way to quote the RNC playbook.

Fox News is NOT the same as CNN and MSNBC

- yes but they are the same as msnbc. you don't see me mention cnn.

a propaganda arm for obama .

As long as a whole tv channel has gone delusional in shilling for a candidate then they should be rightly called propaganda.

by lori 2008-02-05 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Well, that's telling about her campaign, isn't it?

In any case, I think the Fox boycott was silly from the beginning.  Since Clinton flip flopped, I guess Obama can follow suit.

by Drummond 2008-02-05 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

You are probably right.. FoxNews and Hillary are a natural pairing... I mean , Murdoch has supported HRC from the beginning... so she would get an edge over there.

FoxNews and Hillary Clinton..marriage made in heaven.

HRC's warm embrace of FoxNews will usher in a new era of television coverage of a Clinton administration..maybe she could squeeze out NBC and CBS altogether. More media consoldation like under Bill Clinton would be the way to go..just have one network..Fox.

by hawkjt 2008-02-05 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

the fox debate boycott was the dumbest move ever.

it enabled msnbc to continue to pursue its GE mandates while all the netrooters obsessed over Fox.

dumb dumb dumb.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

I'm still not in favor of granting Fox any legitimacy whatsoever, but you're right (channeling your friend Bob) that not all our enemies are on the other side.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

They already have "legitimacy."  Their audience is larger than the other networks' combined.

I hope Obama shows up on O'Reilly.  That would be a moment.

by Drummond 2008-02-05 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

What a load of crock. MSNBC has been biased against liberals in the past. yet only when they turn against your Madame Hillary, your outrage meter jumps skyhigh.

There is a great article on salon about how FOXNEWS is losing viewers. Sometimes when all you do is one note shrilly news analysis, even the partisan viewers get bored. Doing stuff like the  boycott deprives FOX Viewers of a villain to hiss at and makes that channel boring to the right wing looneys.

Most FOx viewers will not vote for a Democrat anyway. Anfd those who do will watch other channels.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

You seem to have this schtick of telling people "you haven't been outraged in the past" when you have absolutely no idea.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

I have read enough of Seymour aka Dem Dem aka ...
to know what he has been outraged by on this blog. I even put up a diary about media coverage and got not too much of a response on the various personalities.

Democrats need to boycott not because they are afraid of FOX. But to really serve a warning to other media channels that plan on doing what FOX has done in the past. You want to be so openly unfair to one party, then suffer the consequences with lower ratings. I used to watch FOX a lot because it was zippy and it wsa funny watching lunatics rave. But damn, that got tiring real fast. And even some of my friends who are blindly republican are getting bored of Fox's predictability and lack of big name guests on both sides. All DEmocrats need to do is freeze out FOX for a few more months and that channel's primary coverage on the DEmocrats will become totally irrelevant. I think it's crucial now because republicans don't have that Bush like star power they did early in the decade to get along with one sided coverage.

And anyone who says FOX is not as bad as MSNBC to democrats is smoking something. That is why i can comment on someone's motivations. What is obvious is when they mean democrats, they mean Hillary. It is possible MSNBC hasnt been any fairer to Hillary herself because of a personal dislike, who knows. But she is not the whole party.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Unless Dems decide to boycott MSNBC, there is no reason to boycott Fox. Fox is worse than MSNBC? MSNBC dares to choose Dem's nominee constantly manipulating messages from both candidates. If you are a democrat, you should be more ounraged with MSNBC than FOX.

by praxis1 2008-02-05 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Hillary <> Entire Democratic Party. There is no chance in hell FOX is fairer to the Democrats.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

i have been fighting msnbc and thee entire media "village" with a fervor ever since 2000.

obviously ineffectively, but with a effort.

msnbc has been the worst because thats where the dc media has gathered to write their 'scripts' since 1998 or so, on imus and on hardball.

the dumb ass fox boycott gave them great cover.

i suggest you start reading the daily howler and meediamatters, or just stay and act stupid, your choice.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:13AM | 0 recs
ever hear of a guy named Gore?

just "personal" animus from GE/MSNBC/NBC/Universal then too?

damn, are you deluded or just dumb?

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: ever hear of a guy named Gore?

And FOX was even worse.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 10:50AM | 0 recs

i have been fighting msnbc with ever since 2000.

ineffectively, but with an effort.

the dumb ass fox boycott gave them great cover.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: wrong

Don't know why you would be fighting the ONLY cable news network that actually has a progressive host as their standard bearer. (Keith Olberman)

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:25AM | 0 recs
put down everything and

get ye to the dailyhowler....

there still may be hope for you...though, maybe not.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: put down everything and

Ah yes, the "Daily Howler"  sounds like just the place to get honest, unvarnished, non opinionated journalism.  

Conspiracy theorists exist in every realm, including fantasy.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Not necessarily true about Fox viewers.  Many of them are working class and my vote for a Democrat.

by Drummond 2008-02-05 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Not so much.

Yet, in our 2004 polling with Media Vote, using Nielsen diaries, we found that Fox News viewers supported George Bush over John Kerry by 88 percent to 7 percent. No demographic segment, other than Republicans, was as united in supporting Bush. Conservatives, white evangelical Christians, gun owners, and supporters of the Iraq war all gave Bush fewer votes than did regular Fox News viewers.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

who cares?  fox had already been marginalized as the wash times of cable, the gop organ if you will.

the boycott provided cover for the rest of the guilty in the village, nothing less.

trust me, i despise brit hume with a deep and personal loathing, this has nothing to do with LIKING fox news pov.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

NBC, as flawed as it is, still has done barely enough as a news organization for me not to lose much sleep over a debate being hosted on that channel. What has FOX NEWS done? All it's news has been trash? With the exception of Wes Clark, even the DEmocratic analysts who work for FOX are really lame.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Those numbers are striking.  However, I saw another poll a few years back which indicated that about 30 percent of the viewers were Democrats, and that about 60 percent were blue collar.  Sorry, I don't remember any more details.

by Drummond 2008-02-05 02:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

MSNBC is the new Fox.

Chris Matthews is the new Bill Oreilly.

So a debate on Fox? I'd take it over a debate on MSNBC.

by 1986dude 2008-02-05 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

That's like saying CNN has Glenn Beck, so CNN is the new FOX.

There is simply no counterpart to Olbermann on Fox. Even Scarborough is fairer to DEmocrats compared to the likes of O Reilly and Hannity. Chris Matthews is a confused guy who vacillates betweeen those who he hero worships and those who he disdains. I don't take him that seriously.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Yeah, Olberman is in the tank for Obambi as well.

When Pat Buchanan is the only voice of reason you know you have a problem.

by BRockNYC 2008-02-05 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Olbermann gave Hillary a very softball interview last year. I dont know what you are watching.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

He didn't even want to "talk about" Hillary's victory in Florida. MSNBC did not even show the voting results from Florida. I have no faith left in Keith.

by praxis1 2008-02-05 09:43AM | 0 recs
Hellooooo... anyone home?

Florida DOES NOT COUNT!  Florida's delegates will not count until AFTER a nominee is chosen regardless of what some folks on this site want you to believe.  Florida was not a story that night and if it was, the story probably would have been that on the day of the meaningless Florida primary more people voted for Obama than Clinton.  

The absentee ballots cast a month earlier, just after New Hampshire and just before the Obama trashing by Bubba were where Hillary received the majority of her votes.  Perhaps you should be glad that the story of the primary day in Florida was not told.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Hellooooo... anyone home?

Tell me Florida does not count on the general election day.

by praxis1 2008-02-05 10:24AM | 0 recs
It will count on the day of the GE

Are you insinuating that Floridians will be so petty and self absorbed as to vote Republican just to spite the DNC?

If that is the nature of Floridians then F*ck them all!

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Hellooooo... anyone home?

Tell that the 1.7 million democrats who voted in Florida!

by 1986dude 2008-02-05 10:33AM | 0 recs
They already know!

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

So HRC has buchanan,FoxNews, Sean hannity,o'reilly,et al in her corner now?

With friends like that...keep her.

by hawkjt 2008-02-05 10:58AM | 0 recs
Tweety ...

has a man crush on the latest "hot" Republican ... at first it was Rudy ... then Frederick of Hollywood(his Aqua Velva crush) .. and now it's McCain(since the media hates Willard) ... he's not confused so much as sucking up to the flavor of the moment ... that said ... he does have some mental health issues

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2008-02-05 09:29AM | 0 recs
Give me a break!

Assuming Hillary wins the primaries, and Fox News reverts to its old self. I doubt the Hilbots will be singing its praise.  I suppose Ann Coulter is a hero also!

by waldo 2008-02-05 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Give me a break!

Didn't Obama preach to extend your hands to republicans? It is hard to believe that supporters of the "uniter" can not embrace the idea of talking to republican audience.

by praxis1 2008-02-05 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Give me a break!

The Fox boycott has nothing to do with being afraid of a Republican audience.  It has to do with delegitimizing Fox as a real news channel, which they're not.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Give me a break!

Exactly my point.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Give me a break!

and the channel of imus, matthews, scarborogh, alan keyes etc......is?

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

What you fail to realize is why there is support for Hillary on Faux News. They are fully aware that she motivates the Repug base as no one else can. This is their motivation.

by waldo 2008-02-05 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

I don't see what the big deal is. Democrats like to fuss about FOX, but they are no better than MSNBC.

by RJEvans 2008-02-05 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Agree totally- I mean, there can't be a more hostile moderator to her than Tim Russert or Chris Matthews so why not go on FOX?

by reasonwarrior 2008-02-05 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

There is a difference between a person like Wes Clark going on the channel and giving them a smackdown during talking head segments and for a candidate who cannot afford to antagonize a potential voter from going on diplomatically.  Doing a debate on FOX has nothing to do with challenging your interviewers one on one. You are essentially giving FOX the legitimacy of a news channel which they are not. Why doesn't Hillary suggest debating on the E channeL?

by Pravin 2008-02-05 09:29AM | 0 recs
Hilarious to see the Hillary fans all

extolling the merits of Fox News.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-02-05 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hilarious to see the Obama fans all

refusing to be "uniters". I guess being uniter means you will embrace republicans only when it is favorable to you.

by praxis1 2008-02-05 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hilarious to see the Obama fans all

To equate FOX with a moderate republicans is total nonsense.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Hilarious to see the Obama fans all

You can not pick and choose. If you are truly going to be a uniter. Give them a chance. I clearly remember Obama saying that he will give a chance to republicans. Give Fox a chance! Be a true uniter!

by praxis1 2008-02-05 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Hilarious to see the Obama fans all

i doubt even Obama is concerned with uniting with fringers. When he says Republicans, he means the crossovers just like the Republicans try to appeal to the Reagan Democrats.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 10:10AM | 0 recs

I despise the ENTIRE DC media village.

Any dem that doesnt is a  fool!

But by separating Fox, you are saying that the others Are not guilty of these same sins.

dumb,dumb, dumb, dumb

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: bullshit

So Hillary trusts FOX the same way she trusted Bush. Her judgement is really bad. Don't let her near the White House we can't afford it.

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-05 10:03AM | 0 recs

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: zzzzzzzzzz...

bzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-05 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: bullshit

Not seeing the HUGE differences between FAUX, CNN & MSNBC  is like claiming there was no difference between Bush and Gore in 2000.

Stop this "Naderite" revisionism FAUX news is demonstrably an uber-partisan network.  Only another uber-partisan could put FAUX, CNN and MSNBC in the same box.


by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: bullshit

somerby, aka the dailyhowler, gores close-close pal, firmly disagrees with you.

maybe because you dont know what the fuck you are talking about!

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: bullshit

Yes, I was talking to Al just the other day and he told me how much he admired the comedian Bob Somersby.

Regardless of your delusions, The FACT remains there are significant differences between the 3 cable news networks. They are all of course, corporate shills, but some take partisan ship to an art form, others at least give some play to progressives.  I'll continue to applaud MSNBC because of Keith Olberman and refuse to watch FAUX because of their lies, smears and outright hatred of everything democratic.  As for CNN, Blitzer is the epitome of a self obsessed tool.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-05 10:55AM | 0 recs
Not Quite

Fox is MUCH worse than CNN and MSNBC. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being fair and impartial journalism, and 10 being essentially a 24 hour, 7 day a week arm of the Republican party propaganda machine...

CNN would be a 5.
MSNBC would be a 6

And Fox would be a 10.

And as far as the notion that the netroots applies zero pressure to MSNBC, CNN, and the others, that is bogus.  Every single day, in probably 1,000 diaries and comments, they too are called out for some aspect of their biased coverage. Edwards supporters spent the better part of a year criticizing the MSM coverage of Edwards, and since October 2007, Hillary's supporters have had ample reason to complain about their MSM coverage as well.

But every progressive knows that Fox is in a class all by itself.  Watch it for a day, and you will understand just how different it is from MSNBC and CNN. Fox makes absolutely no effort to be balanced with respect to the Democratic party. Fox is a joke, a joke that must end.

by Demo37 2008-02-05 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Hilarious to see the Hillary fans all

their queen bee has spoken therefore...

FOX is the greatest.

Mandates = UHC

100% pro-choice ratings = bad for women

Voting for War = Voting for Inspections (aka Trust Bush!)

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-05 10:01AM | 0 recs

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:40AM | 0 recs

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz  bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-05 10:58AM | 0 recs

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News
if they can debate on MSNBC, no reason not to debate on Fox News.
all three major cable news networks hate Clinton anyways, so I don't see too much of a difference.
by musicpvm 2008-02-05 09:48AM | 0 recs
Wow, Hillary Embracing Fox

This is terrible news from Hillary's camp. What is she thinking?

This issue of freezing out Fox is hugely important to the netroots. This is like pouring salt in a wound. I can see Obama's fundraising numbers go up another $10 million as a result of this mistake.

Anybody who thinks that Fox is the same as CNN or MSNBC must really be smoking some powerful stuff, the kind of stuff that impairs present judgment, and erases both short and long term memory.  Seriously, stay off that stuff. Google the issue, or better yet, if you can stomach it, just watch an hour of Fox.  It will turn your stomach.

And to all you Hillary supporters, please tell her to back off this idea.  Perhaps Hillary and her friend Rupert Murdoch know something I don't, but as best I can tell, if Hillary persists with this, she will lose MUCH more than she will gain.

by Demo37 2008-02-05 09:50AM | 0 recs
and speaking for the

"dont have a clue" co-olition...

This guuy...

pal,go to the dailyhowler's archive and read up on what a stupid it is you are still pushing.

By the way, Barry has been going on Fox plenty in recent months...

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-05 09:59AM | 0 recs
A Way With Words

Seymour, I am not precisely sure what you are saying, but a few points:

You point me to the DailyHowler which has posts that describe how the MSM greatly favors Obama over Clinton (and Edwards). Yes, the MSM is biased in favor of Obama. That is no revelation to me. (BTW, they also love McCain and hate Romney.)

This skewed coverage has assuredly had the effect of manipulating the public to be against Edwards, and now, Hillary. Skewed coverage must be called out, and further, all of us should support alternative media as a necessary counterbalance (and eventually, replacement) to the MSM. Thankfully, slowly, but surely, we are making some progress.

On the issue of FOX in particular, however, they are a special case, and always have been. FOX in particular is against the entire Democratic party itself (24/7), not just one or two of our candidates.  As such, they must be challenged even more vigorously.

If Obama and Clinton have given someone at Fox news an interview over the last few months, I do hold that against them. They should not do it.  They should be called out on it.

One thing is clear, however: the Democratic party should NEVER allow FOX to cover a Democratic Party presidential debate. FOX is hostile to the Democratic Party itself, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  They are a propaganda arm of the Republican party, plain and simple.  

See generally Kos's and others' recent comments on this
and here.

by Demo37 2008-02-05 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

She probably just wants to have as many debates as possible.

She does much better in the debate format than he does, because she has a better grasp on policy and thinks more quickly on her feet.

Obama does better in scripted inspirational rallies, where his soaring oratory really seems to connect with people.

So for her, the more debates the better.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-05 09:56AM | 0 recs
they should both accept

The fact is that the questions they will receive from Fox will not just magically disappear during the general election. I realize you don't want to "legitimize" the station, but it's not like Democrats avoid it completely. There are a lot of people who watch Fox that aren't as loony as some of the commentators.


by highgrade 2008-02-05 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: they should both accept

It has nothing to do with facing tough questions. It has to do with depriving FOX of any star power during an important news cycle. It's payback. Now if after the fact a Democrat wants to go on FOX and control a one on one session LIVE where they can debunk FOX talking points, more power to that person.

by Pravin 2008-02-05 10:03AM | 0 recs
Obama has been on FOX quite frequently

and will be on Fox.
Wake up you naive pregressive Obama fans. Just look at who lately endorsed Obama.

It is quite ironic to see self-claimed liberals supporting a centrist (at best) candidate not even questioning what he has done and what he will do.

by praxis1 2008-02-05 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

anybody that wants to watch a debate can simply flip the channel to PBS or C-Span to watch..that is where they should be.

Why enrich any of the cable networks anymore...keep it public..

by hawkjt 2008-02-05 11:01AM | 0 recs
An Excellent Idea

Actually...that is an excellent idea.  

by Demo37 2008-02-05 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary wants to debate on Fox News

Didn't Barack advertised during the superbowl on the FOX NEWS.  So

Which is worse? Giving advertising dollars to FOX news or debating and trying to get some republican voters to your side.

by Opandora 2008-02-05 11:25AM | 0 recs


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