by Todd Bennett, Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:01:27 AM EST
by Todd Bennett, Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:01:27 AM EST
She bounced the day after the debate which was watched my 8+ million people. The poll's your seeing today are the first after the debate.
You don't get a bounce like that in one day because of some spam you received.
You need to get a grip.
I agree the emails don't account for the so-called "bounce" (a wobble in daily tracking polls does not a bounce make, especially when it's within the MOE) but don't you wonder where these emails are coming from? Wouldn't it be nice if we could trace them back to their original source and find out just who it is that's spreading these lies?
The WaPo did an article on them. They reported that they were started by a Republican in Charleston, SC.
You need to go out for a smoke .
I have read a couple of your comments , and you need to " chill " .
for months. I find it highly unlikely that they "just got sent out" and caused a bounce in the national polls.
e-mails were at the direction of Bill Clinton.
No chance. No chance at all.
I've been hearing this more and more. Someone is sending these things out by the tens of thousands, and unfortunately some people are actually believing them. I ran into two different people yesterday who said they wouldn't vote for Barack because he's a muslim. I think I managed to convince both of them that it's a lie, but how do you combat this type of dirty politics?
Obama should have done what Romney did. Have a press conference and talk about them to diffuse them. He failed to do this and it has become settled in voters minds.
Actually a press conference would have given them massive increased visibility. This is fringe nut case stuff. How many people do think are getting these things. Very few in the scheme of things which is why connections with a big poll bump are extreme paranoia. Start having press conferences and it soon becomes "when did you stop beating your wife."
I agree these emails have been around for months but I have had three of them so far, two of them since January. Let's not forget one 'inconvenient truth,' we know they were being circulated by Clinton staff during the Iowa campaign:
...the Clinton campaign's Internet Director Peter Daou, posted a statement from the campaign confirming that the email had indeed been forwarded by a "volunteer county coordinator," but said it was "wholly unauthorized" and that the campaign was "unaware of it."
"We are asking this volunteer county coordinator to step down," the statement continued "and are making it clear to every person involved in our campaign that this will not be tolerated."
Christopher Hayes - CLINTON CAMPAIGN COUNTY CHAIR PUSHING OBAMA SMEAR 5 Dec 07
And the story didn't stop there, did it?:
Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
While no-one is accusing the campaign of doing this as a matter of policy, it is still a very disturbing indication.
Those emails have been around since about 2005 according to snopes. I got them from a Republican MONTHS ago. I have yelled and yelled at Obama supporters to let them know that he should get out in front of them. Well, guess what I got? A. Yawn!!! B. Nobody believes that stuff.
Don't blame someone else for the incompetence of the Obama campaign. And he largely damaged himself and reinforced this email by intervening on behalf of the muslim fundamentalists in Kenya.
Emails from 2005 don't suddenly start appearing in peoples inboxes in 2008. This is a new flood, and it's coming from somewhere...
Those things literally float around for years. I think that they have been around but the minute Obama decided to run for President they cranked them up again. I've had emails that were debunked by snopes years ago appear in my inbox.
In my inbox today (and this is very exciting!) I learned I have a bank draft for $1,200,000.00 waiting for me. Apparently I was of great help, to someone I've never heard of, starting a business I've never heard of, and now he wants to reward me! All I have to do is contact a soliciter in Nigeria to recive full details on how to collect my reward.
But these "muslim" emails aren't just remnants from 2005 that are still "floating around."
This is a whole new flood and it sure looks like it's coming from an organized source. I'd prefer to believe it's the Republicans again.
The bartender got the email last night, along the lines of when I was told they would go out. I am going to Kos and MSNBC with this.
I am going to Kos and MSNBC with this.
- You sound like my 11 yr old baby sis whenever she is about to throw tantrums when things are not going her way..
She's the superior candidate.
Kick is ass, rub salt in his eyes and kick his ass again!
If you believe either of the Clintons are behind that email you are really gullible... and I have a few tons of Nigerian Yellowcake Uranium that I'd love to sell to you.
Are the Clintons also behind the Viagra and British Lottery emails that I keep getting?
Todd, bias aside, why would a Clark/Clinton surrogate mention this one out of no where? Doesn't make sense.
I worked with this woman for Clark in New Hampshire. We are friends.
Nonetheless, I assume that you are an Obama supporter (I could be wrong). If the Clinton campaign is this shifty, wouldn't she be aware of your bias and not-inclined to mention shifty dealings?
I'd like to point out, for the record, that I am not necessarily disbelieving you, but I do question the circumstances that would lead to this particular conversation.
As late as last week I was calling him "Reagobama". She thought I was cool with it. I have turned completely for Obama at this point.
Todd, we're missing part of the story - something's lost in translation. You heard this in Little Rock and heard the details of the alleged e-mail in Saint Louis, correct? Do you have any proof connecting the two events? That's the piece we're missing - as everyone else has pointed out, this e-mail has been circulating for months if not years. How do you know that this e-mail is one-in-the-same?
had lunch in Little Rock recently and was told about it then today the bartender told me about what she got last night, which would coincide wih the approximate date to be launched. These are targeted, too. Blue Collar Democrats and middle aged females seem to be the audience.
Todd, we're still missing the definitive connection; everything may seem to line up, but you're extrapolating the connection. There is room for sheer happenstance, and that's what you need to negate to make the connection.
I recognize that this is impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but unfortunately, the burden of proof is on you before we can take it at face value. Sorry.
I was not there when they got sent. So maybe it is a coincidence, but it is not a coincidence that Clinton is benefitting from it. That also still does not explain the startegy Patty told me about, though.
You heard about it last night, right? Well, the polls released today are based on data before the e-mail was sent: the bounce cannot be attributed to that e-mail solely. I think the media would have picked up it in the process of this bounce.
That e-mail could be real; Bill could have sent it himself. I just think we're jumping to conclusions.
I do commend you though for saying that you won't stand for it; I would be terribly upset with the Clinton campaign if it was true.
No I heard about it from the bartender a little bit ago. That debate does not account for a seventeen point bounce in one night. Think about it. Both were great, and most thought that Obama was a bit better.
By the same token, a single e-mail would not create that bounce. We're talking thousands of people changing their minds over a single e-mail - it doesn't seem probable.
As far as the debate, some CNN pundits - and I agree with them - thought Clinton had everything to gain and nothing to lose. As long as Obama didn't have a consistently strong performance, Clinton could walk away the victor - he did a gotcha on one moment, and the sample undecided audience rated him down.
Perhap Todd there was never a bounce because her decline was over stated. The obvious conclusion to any of us view some of these polls with great scepticism.
Sounds like you are succumbing. You're anti Clinton bias is nothing new but it sounds like you are spiralling off the the edge.
This smear, like the recent robo-call smear from TAPPED, appear to be part of a last ditch, grass roots effort from the Obama campaign to damage Clinton going into February 5th. They always involve a "very well placed Hillary supporter", clumsy racist or religious attacks targeted to a supposedly receptive audience, and a blog posting. They are of a piece with the Obama campaign's cries of racism at every loss or issue attack from Bill Clinton.
Actually there would be little or no risk to the Clintons. Emails can be sent from anonymous addresses from public computers and can thus be untraceable. Now that doesn't mean it came from them, but as a technical matter it well could have with little or no risk.
And please don't even try to attribute this to Obama. Todd wasn't even an Obama supporter until just recently. He's the only source I'm hearing from that claims a Clinton staffer admitted they came from her campaign.
A BARTENDER told you he got an e-mail from Clinton saying that Obama was a Muslim! Wow! A bartender once told me that he had sex with Angelina Jolie. Guess what? I didn't believe him. Maybe you should learn to be a little less gullible.
And, on that basis, you're ready to desert the party. Some Democrat you are. Couldn't it just be that more Democratic primary voters want Hillary than Obama. Why is that so hard to believe? Instead, you take the word of a fictitous, "well placed" nobody as Gospel. Yeah, Bill Clinton dreamed up the "Obama is a Muslim" email. Right. Except that your "source" forgot to mention that it was suggested to Bill by space aliens working for the Freemasons, the Vatican, the Trilateral commission, the Kennedy assassins, and George Soros.
Get a grip, man, before your head explodes.
For all the hoopla surrounding it, I personally have never even got an email about him being Muslim. And many critics thought she won the debate, why is it people always want to give credit to something else about her status in the polls other than people might like her- it always has to be "negative," as if she could not possibly do it on her own. I think Obama has even has gotten some sympathy votes for whining over and over again he is the "victim" of people saying he is Muslim- he certainly on occasion plays it to the "hilt."
that's because you don't have republicans who send you their "latest".
I got an email that said I won 1.5 million euros. Get a grip slick. Would you believe that too!
This comes on the heels of my lunch in Little Rock with a very well placed Wes Clark/Clinton surrogate we will call Patty who said that Hillary will be fine once those e-mails get sent out later on. I asked what she was talking about and she said "The Muslim ones". She said that was Bill's idea all along and the Clinton's "ace in the hole". No I do not want tactics like this in my President's administration.
Todd, I don't think you will ever have credibility with me again after this preposterous story.
I have gotten this e-mail forwarded to me numerous times, along with the Nigerian $$ scam, Publishers Clearing House e-mails telling me I will win $5,000 a week (I'll get back to you on Feb 29 on that one), and of course - how to enlarge certain parts of my anatomy. That's what the delete button is for.
Todd baby we know you're a recent convert to the Obama cause but this tastes just a little of trying to out-Herod Herod. Remember, kill all newborn babies, No let's kill all babies.
Hearsay about hearsay. Why on earth would anyone post something like this. It's chateau bottled Drudge.
Do not delete this or you risk losing money!
I have a good friend who works for a law firm and heard from her boss that this is true. Bill Gates is giving away free money.
If you paid taxes and use any form of Microsoft, you are eligible - but you must pass this on to five people and your check for five hundred dollars will be coming.
patty c. wouldnt say boo to a fool like you.
The whole "muslim=shame" tone of this diary is a tortured and botched hit job to try and smear Clinton yet again. The whole muslim=shame smear effort is transparently tedious and a form of reverse racism, religious intolerance and baiting on the part of the diarist. Frankly I don't understand why Obama is so ashamed of the muslim heritage of his father and extended Kenyan family. Heck we even have a few Arab countries right now investing money to save American banks from sliding under this subprime mess. Anyone who can't honor their family heritage even if it includes "gasp" muslims is not worth voting for. If Obama can't or won't risk standing up for his heritage for fear of losing a vote or two what's the betting he won't be fighting too hard for the agenda of the likes of you and me if it looks too risky for his reputation?
This is silly. Even if the e-mails went out yesterday or the day before they wouldn't show up in polls today. Surely you know that?
What all did you drink in the bar? That might have something to do with your reasoning ability being less than usual. Blaming this one day wiggle on that is really unprofessional.
If there are a lot of e-mails going out, who is to say it isn't someone looking to blame the Clintons and make them look bad when they actually had nothing to with it? That is a definite possibility.
I live in Little Rock and I know the Clark surrogates. Catherine G. and Mary Lee are the two that you might have talked to. Or Mary Steenbergen if she happens to be in town. I'm guessing it was Catherine if you had lunch with one of them. And she wouldn't have said that.
Were you at Juanita's? That's where the politicos most like to go.
Obama said in his press conference yesterday that he is best qualified to run US foreign policy because, when he meets with Muslim leaders, they will know that he grew up in a Muslim country and, therefore, can speak from their viewpoint.
I suspect most Americans want a President conducting foreign policy who speaks from a United States viewpoint.