Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Today, this eighteenth of September, 2007, my wife and I had the most distinct honor to make the acquaintance of one Billy White of Canton, Texas.  Mr. White is a 73 year old Korean War Veteran.  He is genteel and friendly and outgoing.  His living situation, as described to us, is not worthy of a man who has made the contributions to his country that he has.

When Mr. White started receiving Social Security, his Veteran pension was ended.  I regret to say that I do not know if this is protocol or a mistake, but I can tell you that any country that expects a war hero to survive off of less than a thousand dollars a month in this day and age is not worthy of such war heroes.  In our conversation, he mentioned with great fervor and intensity how Hillary had his vote. This is indeed a great endorsement for her. The kind of people that Mr. White represents are hard working and good hearted and any politician should be honored to have his endorsement. And I believe Hillary is thrilled to have the support, because she has worked for people like Mr. White most of her career.  There are those of you who have noses implanted firmly into the whip cream of their latte who may be about to choke.  "Low information voter" you might say, or, "uninformed".  

One of the things we have noticed in our travels is that wise old men really do live up to their name.  This man is smarter than you may think.  He doesn't have the internet or even cable, but he knows the score.  For those of you who don't, here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:  

Marriage and family, law career and First Lady of Arkansas

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 1992During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.[29] During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.[30][31] Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum,[31] Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.[31] The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.[31] By then, Rodham was viewed as someone with a bright political future; Democratic political organizer and consultant Betsey Wright had moved from Texas to Washington the previous year to help guide her career;[32] Wright thought Rodham had the potential to one day become a Senator or President.[33] However, helped by her having passed the Arkansas but not the District of Columbia bar exam on her first attempt,[34] Rodham said that she chose to follow her heart instead of her head[35] and followed Bill Clinton to Arkansas, rather than staying in Washington where career prospects were best. Clinton was at the time teaching law and running for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in his home state. In August 1974, she moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas and became one of two female faculty members at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law,[36] where Bill Clinton also taught.

In the summer of 1975, the couple bought a house in Fayetteville, and on October 11, 1975, Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton were married in a Methodist ceremony in their living room.[37] She kept her name as Hillary Rodham.[38] Bill Clinton had lost the Congressional race in 1974, but in November 1976 was elected Attorney General of Arkansas. This required the couple to move to the state capital of Little Rock.[39] Rodham joined the venerable Rose Law Firm in late 1976, specializing in intellectual property while working pro bono in child advocacy. In 1978, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana[40]) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation,[41] and she served in that capacity through the end of 1981.[42] For much of that time [43] she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so.[44] During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million,[45] and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.[45]

In January 1979, following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Rodham became First Lady of Arkansas, her title for a total of 12 years (1979-1981, 1983-1992). In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner of Rose Law Firm.[46] During 1978 and 1979, while looking to supplement their income, Rodham made a spectacular profit from trading cattle futures contracts. The couple also began their ill-fated investment in the Whitewater Development Corporation real estate venture with Jim and Susan McDougal at this time.

On February 27, 1980, Rodham gave birth to a daughter, Chelsea, her only child.

In November 1980, Bill Clinton was defeated in his bid for re-election, but returned to office two years later by winning the election of 1982. During her husband's campaign in 1982, Rodham began to use the name Hillary Clinton, or sometimes "Mrs. Bill Clinton", in order to have greater appeal to Arkansas voters.[47]

As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992[48], where she successfully sought to improve testing standards of new teachers.[49] She also chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee starting in 1979[50] and introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy. She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.[51]

Clinton continued to practice law with the Rose Law Firm while she was First Lady of Arkansas. She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.[52] Clinton had co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)[53] and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992).[54][12] In addition to her positions with non-profit organizations, she also held positions on the corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),[55] Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992)[56] and Lafarge (1990-1992).[57]

First Lady of the United States

A new kind of First Lady
After her husband became a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination of 1992, Hillary Clinton received national attention for the first time. Before the New Hampshire primary, tabloid publications printed claims that Bill Clinton had had an extramarital affair with Gennifer Flowers, an Arkansas lounge singer.[58] In response, the Clintons appeared together on 60 Minutes, during which Bill Clinton denied the affair but acknowledged he had caused "pain" in their marriage.[59] (Years later, he would admit that the Flowers affair had happened.[60]) Hillary Clinton made culturally dismissive remarks about Tammy Wynette[61] and baking cookies[62] during the campaign that were ill-considered by her own admission. Bill Clinton said that electing him would get "two for the price of one", referring to the prominent role his wife would assume.[63]

The Clinton family arrives at the White House courtesy of Marine One, 1993When Bill Clinton took office as president in January 1993, Hillary Rodham Clinton became the First Lady of the United States, and announced that she would be using that form of her name.[64] She was the first First Lady to hold a post-graduate degree[65] and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House.[66] She was also the first First Lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House,[27] First Ladies usually staying in the East Wing. She is regarded as the most openly empowered presidential wife in American history, save for Eleanor Roosevelt.[67]

Some critics called it inappropriate for the First Lady to play a central role in matters of public policy. Supporters pointed out that Clinton's role in policy was no different from that of other White House advisors and that voters were well aware that she would play an active role in her husband's Presidency.[68] Bill Clinton's campaign promise of "two for the price of one" led opponents to refer derisively to the Clintons as "co-presidents",[69] or sometimes "Billary".[70] The pressures of conflicting ideas about the role of a First Lady were enough to send Clinton into "imaginary discussions" with the also-politically-active Eleanor Roosevelt.[71] Other segments of the public focused on her appearance, which had evolved over time from inattention to fashion during her days in Arkansas,[72] to a popular site in the early days of the World Wide Web devoted to showing her many different hairstyles as First Lady,[73] to an appearance on the cover of Vogue magazine in 1998.[74]

Health care and other policy initiatives
In 1993, the president appointed his wife to head and be the chairwoman of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. The recommendation of the task force became known as the Clinton health care plan, a complex proposal that would mandate employers to provide health coverage to their employees through individual health maintenance organizations. The plan was quickly derided as "Hillarycare" by its opponents, and did not receive enough support for a floor vote in either the House or the Senate, although both chambers were controlled by Democrats. The proposal was abandoned in September of 1994. Clinton later acknowledged in her book, Living History, that her political inexperience partly contributed to the defeat, but mentioned that many other factors were also responsible. Republicans made the Clinton health care plan a major campaign issue of the 1994 midterm elections,[75] which saw a net Republican gain of 53 seats in the House election and 7 in the Senate election, winning control of both.[76] Opponents of universal health care would continue to use "Hillarycare" as a pejorative label for similar plans by others.[77]

First Ladies (left to right) Nancy Reagan, Lady Bird Johnson, Clinton (then the current First Lady), Rosalynn Carter, Betty Ford, and Barbara Bush on May 11, 1994 at the National Garden Gala: A Tribute to America's First LadiesAs First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997)[78], Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997)[79], and Children and Adolescents (2000)[80], and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)[81] and Philanthropy (1999)[82]. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.[83] She initiated the Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.[27] The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.[27] In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.[27]

In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.[84] Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.

This does not even take into account her record as Senator, a record which, contrary to popular opinion here, is more progressive than either Edwards or Obama.  This woman that so many of you decry has been involved in everything from assisting in the impeachment of President Nixon to helping to implement, in response to a torrent of criticism mind you, a nationwide insurance program that 6 million children benefit from.  Yet there are those of you who still question whether she is a progressive.

Now there are those of you who are really too young to understand what the Clintons meant to this country.  Maybe in the midst of all this despair some of you forgot what it was like to feel hope and still others of you, and these are the ones I'm coming after politically, are just a bunch of over-educated know-it-all's who to be honest, lack enough common sense to pour the liquid in a boot onto the ground instead of drink it.  You are the first to talk and the last to act.  You take shots at a woman who has done nothing but try to improve this country and offer up as alternatives a talented but inexperienced young man, and proving my belief of your lack of common sense, a fake progressive from North Carolina.

Had you done your homework, you would know that Edwards is a fake progressive.  This is not to say he is not a Democrat or loyal to the party.  I believe fully he holds Democratic values dear to his heart.  I also believe he is more of a yellow dog and his voting record shows that.  Barack would be a great President, and should he succeed in his bid, I would be thrilled.  However, neither of these two men to this point have offered any reason for me not to go with my instinct and support Hillary, which brings me back to Mr. White.  Our party is one about rising from the ashes, about believing in a country that evolves, that grows, that learns, and ultimately prospers.

The Democratic Party of 2007 still needs a few of those old country boys to succeed.  Mr. White is a good old boy. He is a good old boy who worked for 50 years polishing metal.  He is a man who served his country during the Korean War and I have found that such honorable good old boys tend to know the difference between real and fake.  They know fool's gold when they see it.  David Mizner proposes that Hillary is taking money from people Democrats shouldn't take money from.  Well, Barack Obama not two weeks ago took a lot of money thanks to a fundraiser held by Oprah Winfrey, who if you would recall, was one of Arnold's biggest supporters in his rise to the California Governership.  So is Barack wrong for doing that?

You anti-Hillary people long ago crossed a line of decency with your ignorant, second hand, recycled recitations of GOP talk points.  In doing so you have declared a form of political war on her and her supporters.  You have declared war on me, and I am here to formally tell you on behalf of myself, the honorable Billy White of Canton, Texas, and millions of her supporters that your declaration of political war has been acknowledged and reciprocated and you have bought a fight you were not prepared for.

I understand fully that there are many good Edwards and Obama supporters out there.  I respect you and your efforts and the above statement is not directed at you.  It is directed at those Democrats or Naderites who too often have promised political cover fire for braver men and women than they and then cower at the sight of enemies leaving those brave men and women to fend for themselves.  I am not concerned about defeating you as I know your type.  The type that said Al Gore was better off without Bill Clinton.  The type that said John Kerry should take the "high road" against the swift boaters.  You have neither the courage nor when it comes down to it, the will that it would take to defeat Hillary.  I am no longer interested in debating you, and I am no longer interested in listening to you.  The only thing I really have to say to you, is see you in Iowa.

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64 Comments

no one seems interested in taking the high road

in these primaries, except Hillary.

She only beats up on Republicans bullies.

Its been amazingly bad behavior by Gibbs and Trippi.

Two media hired guns who are only progressives when they are paid to be.

Two big damn phonies.

by holden caulfield 2007-09-18 05:54PM | 0 recs
Hillaries don't seem interested....

Hsu didn't accompany Edwards to a debate - but Hsu was there with Hillary.

And Elizabeth Edwards didn't host a gala this summer with the murderous thug Uribe!
And the Edwardses aren't involved in Clintonista Centrist think tanks - being paid by the Colombian government to lobby for U.S. free trade agreements - while Hillary woos the union vote.
http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/05 /ap_clinton_aides_being_paid_by.html

by annefrank 2007-09-18 09:55PM | 0 recs
and she eats babies at midnight

by holden caulfield 2007-09-27 10:47AM | 0 recs
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thanks!!

by areyouready 2007-09-18 05:58PM | 0 recs
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recommended.

by areyouready 2007-09-18 05:58PM | 0 recs
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More evidence of a phoney Edwards.

An expense for Edwards
From politico:


Somebody pointed out to me over the weekend that the ethics bill passed by Congress, if President Bush signs it into law, will deliver a bit of a financial blow to John Edwards, as well as to various Republican candidates.

Edwards travels largely on a private plane owned by Fred Baron, a prominent trial lawyer who supports him. Under current law, he pays the price of a first-class ticket for each flight -- a pretty good deal, to say the least. And, because he doesn't have a day job, he travels the most of the Democrats. Clinton and Obama fly charter, which is much more expensive.

The new ethics bill would force candidates to pay charter rates for private plane rides -- a shift that could cost Edwards hundreds of thousands of dollars.

hwc:


Not just any wealthy donor with a jet. Famed ambulance chasing asbestos lawyer Fred Baron. Who just happens to be the former head of the trial lawyers lobbyist group. And, whose law firm has come under attack for a memo that many view as coaching clients to lie under oath to bolster their asbestos claims.

Fred Baron is a living, breathing symbol of the corruption in Washington. And, ever jet ride he gives Edwards is a campaign contribution of tens of thousands of dollars, far in excess of the $2300 limit for campaign contributions from normal citizens or Washington lobbyists.

To fly a private jet from coast-to-coast at a price of $850?

by areyouready 2007-09-18 06:01PM | 0 recs
See You In Iowa Indeed

Yeah, we'll see you in Iowa, where no one really knows who's going to win and Clinton could actually come in third place when all is said and done. This diary is trash. No content, just a long Wikipedia excerpt, some insults thrown at supporters of other candidates, and the name of a 73 year old-veteran who's voting for Hillary. I'm sure each of the leading campaigns could find one 73 year-old veteran in Iowa who supports them.

by HatchInBrooklyn 2007-09-18 06:16PM | 0 recs
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That veteran is suffering, yet he has hope in Hillary.  Could you help that Veteran, maybe?  No.  Trash like you do not know what benevolence is.  This man needs heart treatment but is not able to go into the VA in Dallas because he has to wait until the third to get his Buick fixed.  But do you care, you fucking insulting PINO?

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 06:21PM | 0 recs
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a one yes for the insult, but not a 0 vox, come on dont abuse your 0

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-18 07:12PM | 0 recs
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From the terms of use:

Zero is for comments that are offensive, script-generated, or otherwise content-free and intended solely to abuse other readers.

His comment was offensive and intended to abuse the reader he addressed.

by Vox Populi 2007-09-18 07:39PM | 0 recs
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This from the man that references a Clinton infestation here.  Hypocrite.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:16PM | 0 recs
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They are just a bunch of PINOs.

by areyouready 2007-09-18 08:18PM | 0 recs
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It doesn't matter what he thinks or believes in.

Those are the rules I have to follow and your post offended me.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 08:21PM | 0 recs
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Todd has good posts, but here I agree with vox that that particular post made a 0 justifiable, at least in my opinion.  Anytime the F-word is used in that manner a 0 is justifiable and probably won't be red-flagged by admin.

Sorry Todd, but we have to keep comments on the up and up here.  

by georgep 2007-09-18 07:45PM | 0 recs
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No problem with the zero.  I expected it.  I just do not appreciate the diary being referred to as trash and the flippance towards Billy.  He is important.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:17PM | 0 recs
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No one said he isn't important, just that he's the 'average man' and typically an endorsement diary is from someone more in the public spotlight.

I respect Mr. White and respect his endorsement, but the comments that other campaigns can and have found people with similar backgrounds before is still valid.

Mr. White deserves health insurance and deserves a candidate able to help him.

He is important, but so is the comment of the guy you said was a PINO.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 08:27PM | 0 recs
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Gett off your high horse.  How about this for offensive?  Ben Smith is a Jackass (2.00 / 1)


Don't pick on Obama too much.  I think if he got rid of his top advisors he'd be running a better campaign.

Hillary Clinton is the enemy of the party.  She will drag us back to the 1990's.  Divisive politics, "new" Democrats, and triangulation.

Lobbyists of the World Unite! Vote for Hillary/Murdoch in 2008
by Vox Populi on Tue Sep 18, 2007 at 02:58:38 PM EST

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:35PM | 0 recs
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Yes, neither your comment or Vox's comment that you quoted was proper, in fact the diary itself breaks the rules of the site.

Just because he did something wrong doesn't mean that what you posted wasn't offensive either.

As i have been saying, both of the attacking sides are wrong and need to stop their attacks.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 08:38PM | 0 recs
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You know what?  Weakness should be against the rules of this site.  I am so tired of this garbage.  Why does my diary violate the rules?  

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:40PM | 0 recs
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Not your diary, the diary 'Ben Smith is a Jackass' --
"Titles of diaries should not be inflammatory, and will be deleted if not edited out."

And what about my post was particularly weak?

Because I was offended by your cursing? Yeah I've seen curse words before, it just wasn't needed, thats the point of having these rules (I would imagine), its to stop discussions from breaking down into pure fluff, negativity and purposeless attacking.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 08:45PM | 0 recs
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You should stay out of it.  Vox and I are going at it and that is just the way it is.  You come off as a fake peacemaker.  I am tired of the Edwards folk taking control of this site as if they have conquered land.  

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:49PM | 0 recs
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And, again, how can he be helped?

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:50PM | 0 recs
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I actually don't support any specific candidate at the moment.

I've been reviewing each of the candidates at the debates, but im not really convinced in either direction.

I WANT to be a peacemaker, the comments as of late are getting worse and worse. Compared to the comment we are discussing its barely a blip -- I WANT to start a real discussion instead of slander and bickering.

It's what the site needs.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 08:59PM | 0 recs
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Fine, but how is this Veteran able to be helped?  He needs treatment.  And you should look up some of mine or bookgrl or georgep's stuff and see some facts.  Lots of links and content.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:02PM | 0 recs
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To be honest with you, I would rather the flame war continue so we could get it all on the table.  We do not need anything pent-up to come out later.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:06PM | 0 recs
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But it's been happening for weeks and reputable members of the community are/have been leaving because of the uncivil attitudes of some members!

The attacks are certainly not being pent up, they are being recommended and the slander isn't helping anyone or any candidate -- how am i supposed to be informed about a candidate if all were talking about is how so and so is corrupt or has bad political advisors or whatever!

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 09:13PM | 0 recs
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I had to show Edwards for what he is.  Check this out:  http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/1/2472/ 63781#readmore

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:19PM | 0 recs
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Alright I've read it... but it has nothing to do with my point.

"The attacks are certainly not being pent up, they are being recommended and the slander isn't helping anyone or any candidate -- how am i supposed to be informed about a candidate if all were talking about is how so and so is corrupt or has bad political advisors or whatever!"

Please... together, can we stop this behavior?

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 09:26PM | 0 recs
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Let me show you a brand new example:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/9/17/2 02539/442/142#142

Can we stop this type of attack comment together?

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 09:29PM | 0 recs
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I can give better than I get.  I try not to browbeat folks, though.  Still, this is a tough business.  Feelings get hurt.  Part of the game.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:39PM | 0 recs
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But this isn't only happening to me! It's a much wider problem.

We all can point out blatant attacks, but this is happening real time to everyone by many many people.

Enforce the damned rules! This shit can be stopped!

And I expect to be troll rated for using a curse word!

Please, its not just one guy or one post, people are abusing the system and breaking rules.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 09:43PM | 0 recs
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I will and im pretty sure I have seen some content already.

Again, my major point is that we need to return to civil and less hot  headed attitudes.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 09:08PM | 0 recs
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We would like to have you as a Hillary supporter, so tell me what information you need.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:11PM | 0 recs
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Look, he deserves treatment, he deserves respect but you are going too far, there is no reason for insults.

He deserves a candidate that will help him and his situation, just like the rest of hard working america.

If he has found Hillary as the answer -- thats fine, just don't attack people. Don't stoop to this level.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 07:18PM | 0 recs
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Ask how he could be helped.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 08:36PM | 0 recs
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your comment is insensit=ve, I see how you edwards people try to show how hill is evil and stuff -- your just wrong

by ILOVEHILL 2007-09-18 09:03PM | 0 recs
WHAT?

1) 'It is directed at those Democrats or Naderites' --
Really?

2) 'Barack would be a great President, and should he succeed in his bid, I would be thrilled.' --
So why aren't you supporting him... uhhh

'However, neither of these two men to this point have offered any reason for me not to go with my instinct and support Hillary, which brings me back to Mr. White.'
Thats what you got? Why didn't you research candidates?
I mean i suppose you did, but its not what you said...

3) 'You anti-Hillary people long ago crossed a line of decency with your ignorant, second hand, recycled recitations of GOP talk points. ' --
How do you ignore the attacks from the other side then? Both sides are wrong and it need to STOP. It needs to stop NOW.
You can do something -- tell people that they need to stop the bashing, NOW, or their banned.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 06:22PM | 0 recs
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Thanks for this and thanks to good people like Billy White.  The last hurdle, the healthcare plan, has been cleared by a bulldozer of great reviews.  Grab your shield and your sword, it's onward to victory with Hillary!

by reasonwarrior 2007-09-18 06:49PM | 0 recs
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i always find your comments so insightful /snark

by sepulvedaj3 2007-09-18 07:11PM | 0 recs
great diary

Thanks, Todd, for telling it like it is!  Recommended.

by markjay 2007-09-18 07:26PM | 0 recs
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I'm sorry.  If we had a diary for everyone who endorses someone, that'd be a majority of diaries.  Georgep even complained when a diary was made about a former congressman.  So I'm sure as this diary is here, that Georgep will be here to complain about your waste of a diary any second.  That, or he's a two-faced shmuck.  I suppose time will tell though.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 07:26PM | 0 recs
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Let's not jump down anyone's throat just yet...

I'm sure he will not support this diary.

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 07:37PM | 0 recs
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I was about to troll rate you for the disingenious "choice" you gave here, which is clearly an attempt at starting a flame war, but decided not to.  I won't get sucked into it, but I think you do your share to bring discourse down here all by yourself with stuff like this.

by georgep 2007-09-18 07:51PM | 0 recs
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I'm confused.  So it is wrong to make a diary about a former congressman endorsement, but Korea veterans are fair game?  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 08:07PM | 0 recs
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In case you didn't know, I'm waiting for you to write a statement of complaint to the diarist, or explain your position on endorsement diaries (which I think essentially would require you to appologize to someone for meaningless criticism that you no longer believe in).  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 08:13PM | 0 recs
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What a load.

The moment I see you actually do as I do upthread (I sided with vox in a zero rate of the diarist) with ANY poster who is "on your side"  I will consider you not a flamer who is here to just bring discourse down.  Hell probably freezes over before I see an action like that from you, which tells me all I need to know here about "two-facedness."  

by georgep 2007-09-18 08:23PM | 0 recs
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And, btw. I posted to you in that whiny "Admins, please help clarify the rules" diary that you are nowhere to be found when it comes to criticize major transgressions from "your side."  It is like you are "doing your hair" or something when those transgressions occur.  Strange that I never got a response from you on that criticism of your obvious double-standard there.

by georgep 2007-09-18 08:28PM | 0 recs
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I don't read a ton of diaries, just so you know.  I mostly follow the headlines and look into anything that seems interesting.  

Obviously you missed one diary that had a jab at a certain group of people.  It was a few days ago but I'll try to look it up.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 08:38PM | 0 recs
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Iam talking about YOUR OWN diary about "rules."  I pointed the blatant hypocrisy out, and you never responded, even though I showed one example after another.   Here you write stuff that is really nothing but a cheap attempt at starting a flame war, which easily deserved a troll rating.  I just don't get that type of posting.

As a sidenote:  Why is it the biggest complainers never write interesting diaries (about the candidates, GOP politicians, political issues important to progressives, etc.,) you know, stuff that moves the discussion forward with something interesting to discuss?  Those who do write worthwhile diaries get interesting discussion going, and the participants are usually from all stripes (across candidate divides.)  I disagree with desmoinesdem candidate-wise, but I appreciate her diaries, they move us forward.  Why can't the complainers try something like that?  Who knows, it may just get a decent discussion started with, gasp, maybe even participation from Hillary supporters.  Sure would beat the incessant whining that has been going on.

by georgep 2007-09-18 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

There were about 10-20 unreads from that diary for me still.  It got bumped out of the latest diaries before I checked it I suppose.  I've never seen any of those thunderhawks comments.  Maybe once, but the name doesn't ring any firmiliarity at all.  

Candidate diaries.  Not too many candidates come through Wisconsin.  DesmoinesDem has the luxury of being in a state the candidates practically crawl through.  Obviously Desmoinesdem can give a lot of insight as to what is going on and around in Iowa.  What's going down in Iowa is usually taken with more of an impact than Wisconsin.  Especially considering I lived in midwestern Wisconsin.  The closest political rally was an hour and a half away, when I'm working 8 hours a day over the summer.  Now I'm stranded with no car in northeastern Wisconsin.  So really, now I'm 3 hours away from the nearest political rally.  Again, lowering my capabilities to post about some exciting visits from candidates.  

Yes.  My diaries are more focused on the developments of the house and senate elections in 2008.  You'll have to excuse me for that, I suppose it's a lot easier to blog when you don't have the endless hassling from candidate partisans.  

I think I've had my share of diaries related to the presidential elections.  Whether it was about fundraising, national events, etc.  

There are enough Obama partisans to where my stuff is just being repeated.  And I think we have differing views as to what constitutes as "Furthering the discussion"

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Re: Furthering discussion

Do you honestly think that your first comment in this diary does that?  While I was busy siding with vox on an actual 0-rate against a Hillary supporter, you attack me with no cause, no reason?  I guess I should be flattered, but I certainly don't throw that type of hyper-aggression your way.  It absolutely diminishes your credibility to "talk for" members of this site when you start troll-ratings-worthy flame wars.  

by georgep 2007-09-18 09:49PM | 0 recs
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I was addressing the counter productive tone of this diary by pointing out the fact that there are Clinton supporters who are against the diary in spirit  based on the fact that it addresses a insignificant endorsement, by your standard.  

So my point is that this diary doesn't further discussion on any central grounds of furthering discussion, and therefore should be deleted on the basis that it is wasting space.  A standard multiple persons seek to uphold.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-19 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Here's one I did read.  Fan through the comments.  You've got something there from me in there.  

http://jeremiahthemessiah.mydd.com/story /2007/9/13/12280/1494

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Hopefully that link works for you.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-18 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

who the hell is billy white?

by JaeHood 2007-09-18 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

"Mr. White is a 73 year old Korean War Veteran.  He is genteel and friendly and outgoing.  "

He's your 'average' hardworking citizen...

The rest of the diary seems unnecessary however, the part about Edwards not being progressive, etc

by MrMacMan 2007-09-18 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Damn Hillary spammers.

by mbcarl 2007-09-18 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Hilliary is what this country Needs!

by ILOVEHILL 2007-09-18 09:00PM | 0 recs
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Welcome!

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:13PM | 0 recs
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thanks!

I've been... whats the word, lerking for a while, thanks for the great diary!!

by ILOVEHILL 2007-09-18 09:21PM | 0 recs
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My pleasure.

by Todd Bennett 2007-09-18 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

Yes, but will she get the all important Barry White endorsement? ;-}

by DoIT 2007-09-18 10:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton


You have declared war on me, and I am here to formally tell you on behalf of myself, the honorable Billy White of Canton, Texas, and millions of her supporters that your declaration of political war has been acknowledged and reciprocated and you have bought a fight you were not prepared for.

Just what kind of war do you have in mind?  Flame war, turf war, the popular hobby of Civil War re-enactment?  War on Drugs?  Against reason?  Who are your enemies, people who claim Hillary isn't a progessive?  Naderites and PINO's?  That denigrating epithet has been applied to just about everybody on this site who isn't a Hillary supporter.  Let me know if I am on your enemies list would you, just so I know.

Just a question for you, if Hillary represents the progressive wing who the hell are the moderates in the party?  The Blue Dogs?  Senator Byrd?  And what about Kuchinich, what does that make him?  A Trotskyite?  Being a moderate isn't a badge of dishonour, you know.  At least they win the occasional election.  

by Shaun Appleby 2007-09-18 11:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Billy White Endorses Hillary Clinton

I enjoyed reading about Mr. White but I didn't enjoy the multiple cheap shots in this diary.

If Edwards were a "fake progressive" I doubt he would have run a progressive, populist campaign in a red state in 1998.

I think people who write candidate diaries should think to themselves before posting, "Hey, if my candidate were to see this diary, would they thank me for posting it?"

I think Hillary would gently suggest to the diarist that this could have been far more effective if it had stayed positive.

by Steve M 2007-09-19 06:59AM | 0 recs

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