Post debate thoughts.

Just some thoughts about the debate tonight, nothing major.

I thought that this debate should be uplifting for supporters from all of the camps. Clinton was steady and eloquent, Obama was initially fumbling but then exploded. What few shots and swipes they gave seemed to be more intent on focusing on substantive policy differences as opposed to the "scandals" that plague the news sites and the liberal blogs.

Overall, I thought both did a wonderful job and their respective supporters should all be proud.

As for who I personally thought was the winner:

I think it was a tie.

Honestly.

Initially, I felt Clinton was winning. She was poised and polished, her answers were substantive for the most part (some glossing, but that's to be expected and didn't detract from her overall point), and she gave GOOD answers, answers I could agree with.

Then, the Kyl-Lieberman and Iraq War vote questions threw a wrench into her debate performance. She stumbled, seemed to meander a little too far off the path. I can understand why, as only the most ardent of Clinton supporters can completely forgive her votes on both those issues, extenuating circumstances granted.

In this instance, her refusal to admit she was wrong or to apologize is a weakness, not a strength. It leaves a vulnerable spot in her campaign, a spot that, as I said, only the most devoted of Clinton supporters will allow to exist without poking it. Unfortunately, admitting a mistake now or apologizing now are not options. They'll be seen as pandering. Like it or not, Clinton is stuck with the perception that she supported the war and that amendment, whatever equivocations (valid or invalid) she chooses to give.

As for Obama, he started off weak. He fumbled, messed up a couple  of his figures and lines, and generally seemed very rookie-ish to me. At first.

Then, he seized upon Clinton's fumbling with the Iraq war and Kyl-Lieberman amendment and just erupted. He kicked some major ass, over and over. Clinton steadied herself and got back into the swing, but Obama continued to give amazing answers to all his questions.

Obama's eruption granted, he was still not DOMINATING the debate. After the Iraq War answer she gave, Clinton steadied and was giving excellent answers. I liked more of Obama's answers towards the end, but I don't feel it was enough to give him an edge over Clinton.

I call it a tie, and the only real clear winner is the Democratic party, because we've got two kick ass candidates.

Tags: Barack Obama, Democratic debate, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

12 Comments

Re: Post debate thoughts.

What did everyone else think?

by theblaz 2008-01-31 05:35PM | 0 recs
Bah.

There will be no President McCain.

Of the top three, I would have preferred Edwards though I wasn't really a supporter.

All three of them would be excellent Presidents.

I look forward to President Clinton or Obama.

by theblaz 2008-01-31 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

Two things, for Obama to go toe-to-toe with Hillary after his lacklustre debate performances in the past is a victory in itself, for him to have left us contemplating leadership rather than policy, with his clearly distinguished, at the end was a brilliant piece of good luck or stagecraft.

On that basis I give him the debate.  Policy, shmolicy, this is about leadership.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-31 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

I didn't see the debate .

Sorry , lol.

by lori 2008-01-31 05:51PM | 0 recs
Haha.

You missed a good one.

by theblaz 2008-01-31 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Haha.

Hey you should come aboard the Hillary Express , its first class here . lol

I had to watch " lost " besides I have since stopped watching debates , its too nerve wrecking for me .

by lori 2008-01-31 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Haha.

I missed Lost. I'll get it online.

I'm so mad there is only 8 episodes. Writers better get their act together.

by RJEvans 2008-01-31 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

What the hell- usually we get a few hours of CNN commentary- what do you want to bet they all hurried out to go to Hollywood parties?

I did see this which made me happy:

Senator Hillary Clinton’s responses caressed the CNN real-time reaction meter with consistently higher ratings than Senator Barack Obama all night long.

http://themoderatevoice.com/media/tv-new s/cnn/17477/dem-debate-making-love-to-th e-real-time-reaction-meter/

But it seems like they tied to me.  Since they say this will drag on after Super Tuesday- this won't be the last one, anyway, it looks like.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-31 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

I ignored the reaction meter. While it was interesting to see the mood of the audience, I don't think it was much more than just that: the mood of the audience.

I've heard this site is massively pro-Hillary, is that an accurate portrayal? I post mostly on DailyKos. Don't have a candidate I support yet, just planning on voting for whoever the nominee is.

by theblaz 2008-01-31 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

Actually, it's been almost 95 percent pro-Obama but for some reason in the last week, Hillary has won over almost everyone with her speeches and platform.

Just kidding- with two candidates left, it's about fifty-fifty, really, but anti-Hillary forces think anything over 20 percent is massively pro-Hillary.  I like this site better than KOS, it's more user-friendly and people are more civilized.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-31 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

I'd hate to make enemies my first day of posting here, but I recognize several prominent names of posters here who are anything BUT civilized on DK.

Several of whom often occupy the Recommended List.

Not that it matters, assholes rarely bother me. And like I said, not to pick fights.

I know some of the people to ignore on this site, and I'll learn the others.

by theblaz 2008-01-31 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Post debate thoughts.

It's a good site you just need a tough skin sometimes.  There are some pretty cool Hillary supporters here, too.  You get used to the off-the-wall Obama attack diaries after awhile.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-31 08:09PM | 0 recs

Diaries

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