MYDD 2.0 is like talking to myself

 I was getting set to write a short diary on the culpability we all have in the oil spill and how this isn't like Obama's Katrina so much is it is like Obama's Iraq.  Then I noticed that of all the diaries listed as "most popular" there are a total of 6, that's right, one, two, three, four, five, six, comments.  Be it far from me to use hipster acronyms, but -- WTF????  Did the switch to MYDD 2.0 spook everyone that much? Has everyone gone back to FireDogLake or DailyKos? Personally, I find much more enjoyment out of trolling  But I miss the MYDD community sometimes.  Not sure what to do about it, but there it is.

Oh, by the way.  Yes, we are all culpable for the BP oil spill in the Gulf.  And, yes, we are all culpable for the deaths of innumerable numbers of civilians in Iraq.  We participate in a Democracy that has achieved both of these things.  Therefore, we are culpable.  Our government is us.  If we don't like it, we need to change it.



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Not Mom's spaghetti.

 I share your sentiments about the new and improved MyDD vs the old MyDD that we all so dearly remember... perhaps there has also been a drop-off in enthusiasm which accentuates the differences, and there have been many drop-outs (voluntary and otherwise) of enthusiastic and exciteable participants wo are sorely missed (if only in retrospect). Whatever combination of events and ingredients which have caused the recipe to change, I personally think the current result is blander, and to my taste, too bland, with a hint of malaise.

by QTG 2010-05-26 08:33AM | 0 recs
searching for a happy medium

I am glad that every diary isn't immediately stuffed with a 100+ comment flamewar, but I agree, it would be nice to see more active commenters.

My advice is to write the diaries you want to write. A thoughtful, substantive diary will attract more commenters than a few sentence long rant.

by desmoinesdem 2010-05-26 10:27AM | 0 recs
RE: dreaming up commenters

You are overly optimistic and the evidence doesn't support your assertion. The front pagers often get zilch responses, and the rest of us almost always get bupkis. There's no evidence that commenters are attracted at all anymore.

by QTG 2010-05-26 02:55PM | 0 recs
RE: dreaming up commenters

It's kind of amazing, isn't it?  Take a look on the right side of the page.  At the time of writing this comment, my diary is the only one with any comments at all.  And I didn't really say anything in this diary.  Before this one, the only one with comments was titled "Evan Bayh should rot in hell".

by the mollusk 2010-05-26 03:26PM | 0 recs
Update not dynamic enough

While I appreciate the new formatting tools, the new MYDD has been inconvenient to use in other respects. THe whole Preview comment thing doesnt work sometimes and my screen gets frozen. Once we encounter a few failed posts, we just give up.  Also on some hot button issues of the day, I find myself loooking for more expertise - such as financial reform and the current oil spill. I can't seem to find much to gain on MYDD on the oil spill issue.

Hate to say it. BUt MYDD seems kind of dead these days. I used to avoid going to DKos back inthe day because of the noise. But, that's where I tend to do go. Also the search functions help navigate for older posts more easily.

by Pravin 2010-05-26 02:39PM | 0 recs
I agree, myDD is kind of dead.

I have thought carefully about this - and imho the reason myDD is taking a hit is more to do with their layout and the look and feel - than anything else.

There is alot to be said for look and feel. There are alot of banner ads on this site, now...




by Trey Rentz 2010-05-26 04:22PM | 0 recs
The fact that this diary is getting alot of comments

shores up the concept that myDD is no longer .. comfortable... we are trying to tell Jerome something, but he's just not listening.

IMHO the way to go with this kind of a site is to stop trying to force as many ads into it as possible and let it regain its status as a kind of Craigslist for policy and political wonks..



by Trey Rentz 2010-05-26 04:24PM | 0 recs

if I didn't talk to myself, no one would listen.

by Charles Lemos 2010-05-26 09:44PM | 2 recs
RE: Well

a new twist on an old classic.  love it.

by the mollusk 2010-05-27 10:47AM | 0 recs
As I stated some time ago, if it works leave it alone.

Nobody comments on most contributor diaries and as there are only five that can be shown at one time, they are off the frontpage in a short time anyway.

I still can't seem to get the HMTL function to work and so photos and videos are no longer an option.

Sadly, I have also noticed a sharp reduction in daily visitor stats.

Leave well enough alone. I left Microsoft for the same reason. Its improvements proved to be a big pain in the ass.


by MainStreet 2010-05-26 11:13PM | 0 recs
RE: As I stated some time ago, if it works leave it alone.

The HTML function never works for you? You have to click over to HTML before you start writing the diary. If you preview and then need to go back and edit, you click over to HTML again before you start editing.

by desmoinesdem 2010-05-27 10:29AM | 0 recs
RE: As I stated some time ago, if it works leave it alone.

Thanks for the tips. I didn't realize that editing required another click on the tab.

by MainStreet 2010-05-27 12:31PM | 0 recs
RE: As I stated some time ago, if it works leave it alone.

But is it really just a technology thing?  It's not like this is the AARP network or something.

by the mollusk 2010-05-27 10:48AM | 0 recs

The blog tends to do that in the off season. I shut it down for 2003, took off from blogging during 2005 until 2006. So 2010 is dead. I don't really care that much about whether its getting traffic or not, comes and goes.... one man gathers what another man spills.

But, the tech still is a bit bulky. The upgrade here is still about a month off. Should bring it around the corner. Content-wise, look, the reality is that the energy of the netroots is either into being a flack like cheerleader for this middle of the road administration, a disgruntled progressive, or a malcontent that wants to piss inside the tent at others that are disgruntled. Whatever to all of the above.

This blog has always been about Presidential politics, especially primaries, so I wouldn't be surprised if I don't think too much about blogging as a regular addiction for another couple of years; if I don't abandon it all to go live on an island before.

by Jerome Armstrong 2010-05-27 02:35PM | 0 recs
RE: haitus

Thanks.  You speak with the wisdom of experience.  I don't do very much of the online community thing, but I've always found the MYDD crowd to be to my liking.  Personally, I don't think it all comes down to the technical changes to the blog.  They may have hastened the exit of a few folks, but I think you're correct that as primaries and national-scale races heat up, we'll see more energy on the blog.

by the mollusk 2010-05-27 03:47PM | 0 recs
RE: haitus

get a room.

by QTG 2010-05-27 04:34PM | 0 recs
RE: haitus

I would add to that, take a look at sitemeter - everyone's down. Open Left is down, Daily Kos is down, etc. The MyDD traffic drop is a little more severe, but political events are as much a factor as is the technology.

by Nathan Empsall 2010-06-01 09:54PM | 0 recs

The irony of this being the most commented diary is rich.

The new format feels like it's still in beta, and maybe it is.  I agree that it plays a role.

I fear we shall never return to the good old days when every diary featured 200 comments arguing over whether Hillary is a racist.

by Steve M 2010-05-28 01:20AM | 1 recs
Of course it is

that's what happens when Jerome bans everyone who hurt his feelings. 

by DTOzone 2010-05-28 09:38AM | 0 recs
The diaries seem far

less visable than the once did.  The elimination of a reclist for the diaries has significantly reduced the traffic they are getting.



by fladem 2010-05-28 10:37AM | 1 recs
RE: The diaries seem far

I agree with that. I would like to go back to having the 25 or 50 most recent user diaries visible on the front page, and the traditional rec list.

by desmoinesdem 2010-05-30 06:55PM | 0 recs

has never developed a user diary community, in part because they are hard to find.

The same thing is happening here.

User diaries are the lifeblood of blogs: they give people a sense of ownership.

by fladem 2010-05-30 10:51PM | 0 recs
RE: Openleft

Again, I agree.

by desmoinesdem 2010-05-31 11:14AM | 0 recs
RE: Openleft

I would add that way back in 2006 and early 2007, I started writing more diaries here because they would stay visible for a while, and I had a decent chance at making the recommended list. At Daily Kos almost all my diaries scrolled down so fast, with very few comments. It felt like it wasn't worth making the effort to write a substantive diary. If not for MyDD I might never have started writing diaries regularly (this was before I got sucked into being a state blogger at Bleeding Heartland).

by desmoinesdem 2010-05-31 11:17AM | 0 recs
Specific Technical Issues

Reply to this comment with specific technical issues with the site that I can address.  There is a big upgrade coming that will improve the platform MyDD runs on about a month from now.

by Kyle Shank 2010-05-30 12:05PM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

Thanks. The biggest problem I have been having is with the comment function. It often doesn't work, and most people aren't going to keep trying three, four or five times to post a comment.

by desmoinesdem 2010-05-30 06:55PM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

What browser and version are you using?

I haven't been able to reproduce the issue with comments.

by Kyle Shank 2010-06-01 08:36AM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

I've experienced the problem (composing a reply, clicking preview, getting endless rotating 'loading' icon, never getting the post button) most often when I begin with 'log in to reply'. Less often, but sometimes, when I'm already logged in.

In fact, it just happened to me exactly that way on this reply. I had to click 'back to post' and do it all over again.

by QTG 2010-06-01 08:59AM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

Firefox in this case. Also has happened in Chrome and IE8.

by QTG 2010-06-01 09:01AM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

Same experience.  "Login to reply" (which ends up opening the reply box on its own page) tends to hang forever.  I'm on Firefox 3.6.3.  Using the regular reply function, which just opens a box below the comment you're responding to, works fine for me.

by Steve M 2010-06-01 02:57PM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

I have had the same posting problem in both Firefox and IE.

by Pravin 2010-06-01 09:05PM | 0 recs
RE: Specific Technical Issues

This is a repeat with some edits of a comment I wrote on this topic some months ago...

Biggest concern: 

MyDD currently doesn't work well (or even at all) in older versions of some browsers, for example in IE version 6, the text in the main (center) column is chopped off by the left column.  Websites can't expect users to all have the newest version of browsers; and if they do expect that - putting the burden on the users rather than the programmers - then site traffic will definitely suffer for it. It's not a coincidence that the most popular websites work well across a broad range of older and newer browsers.  [Adding: to test this, I just now visited a random sample of websites, using version 6 of IE, and they all worked fine: DailyKos, Firedoglake, Huffington Post, OpenLeft, Eschaton.  MyDD fails this test.]

Smaller concerns:

- The center column is wider than it needs to be. Currently users have to expand the browser to full screen in order to read all the text in MyDD's right column.   Many users (including me!) like to use apps in windows that don't take up quite the whole screen.  Take a look at DailyKos for example - you can still view all the text even if you don't expand the browser to the whole screen. 

[Adding: I'm using the browser's (Firefox or IE) default zoom level; it's certainly possible to fix things by zooming out, but that's an additional step. I prefer websites that have a narrower footprint to begin with, so I don't have to zoom out.]

- Last time I tried to write a diary with images, I gave up; never could get them to work.  Maybe that feature is fixed now, or there is some non-obvious trick to get it to work; I haven't tried it since a couple weeks ago.  [Now it is months since I've tried it; is it working yet?]

by Rob in Vermont 2010-06-01 03:47PM | 0 recs


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