"GOP scheme"? EVERY SINGLE FL HOUSE DEMOCRAT voted for their primary date
by The Great Gatsby, Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 01:47:47 AM EDT
Todd had this to say about the decision by Florida's Congressional delegation to not support any kind of re-vote in their own state (emphasis mine):
Senator Clinton wants the delegates seated according to the vote in January; kos thinks it should be a 50-50 split. I'm not a fan of either. Look, it's no accident that Florida and Michigan are the only states in which Republican turnout exceeded Democratic turnout. Those were not real representations of the Democratic primary electorate and for state representatives to keep the will of their own constituents from counting in this historic election when the will of every other state in the country, even Puerto Rico and Guam, will, would be a true shame, especially when the dis-enfranchisement was a result of a scheme perpetrated by the Republican-led state legislature.
Oh, by the way? Almost every single Florida DEMOCRAT voted to move the date forward. Just look at the bill.
My little bit of amateur sleuthing began where all great journeys begin: Wikipedia:
In the spring of 2007, the Florida legislature passed House Bill 537, in response to public support for Florida to return to a "paper trail" for elections, however, during the legislative process, a number of amendments were added, one of which moved the date of their state's primary to January 29th
Hmm...House Bill 537, huh? I bet Google has something to say about that...
GENERAL BILL by Economic Expansion & Infrastructure Council and Rivera and Hukill (CO-SPONSORS) Adams; Allen; Altman; Ambler; Baxley; Brandenburg; Bucher; Culp; Gonzalez; Jordan; Kiar; Kravitz; Murzin; Nehr; Patterson; Porth; Precourt; Roberson; Sands; Schenck; Traviesa; Waldman; Weatherford; Zapata
Elections: Revises fines applicable to violations of requirements relating to third-party voter registrations; revises dates relating to presidential preference primary; authorizes municipalities to move their election date by ordinance to coincide with presidential preference primary; exempts persons seeking federal office from resign-to-run law; requires that all write-in candidates reside within district of office sought at time of qualification, etc.
Effective Date: January 1, 2008, except as otherwise provided.
Last Event: 05/21/07 Approved by Governor; Chapter No. 2007-30 on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:26 AM
Hey, I'm must be in the right place. Moreover, it would be pretty impossible for Republicans have pulled the wool over the eyes of the Democrats on this, considering the primary date change is located in the executive summary of the bill that some idiot with a laptop discovered in about 20 seconds.
But you want to see the most interesting part? (partially edited for space)
Chamber Date Yeas Nays Actions
House 03/21/2007 01:24 PM 115 1 Passage
Senate 04/27/2007 11:49 AM 37 2
House 05/03/2007 11:31 AM 118 0 Passage
But wait! I thought that the Florida election getting moved up was a scheme by those dirty Republicans to disenfranchise Floridian Democrats!
118-0 was the final House vote. Not ONE DEMOCRAT voted against the bill, including its provision to move up the primary. The actual votes of the Senators aren't listed in the FL congressional record, so the two "nays" could easily be Democrats or Republicans - in any case trumped by the 37 "yes" votes.
Oh, and the actual amendment to move the primary got passed out of committee 7-0.
First, we get a week full of coverage (and echo chamber) talking about how Obama is subverting the will of the people by not a) wanting to just give up a substantial chunk of delegates when he NEVER campaigned there and b) wanting to pony up up to $15 million to support a re-vote for a state that broke CLEARLY STATED RULES to his own disadvantage.
And then with a straight face, all the Hillary supporters here talk about how he apparently "doesn't care about the will of the people" or "has a 48-state strategy".
Just like Barack Obama didn't invent the caucus, he didn't make the rules for the DNC. He also didn't vote to move up the Florida primary in the face of those clearly-stated rules - even though 145 of 147 Florida state legislators did.
Ask any Clinton supporter: Do you REALLY, SINCERELY think that Hillary Clinton, in Obama's position would be for a re-vote? Clinging to a substantial but small lead, and armed with a plausible reason for NOT wanting to support a re-vote (they DID knowingly break the rules), you really think Clinton would pay one red cent to cede delegates?
Everyone talks about how they want a "smart candidate" that can stand up to the Republicans, and then they knock Obama for having the GALL to not want to take fifteen million dollars and have a big ol' bonfire with them, and then donate delegates to Clinton "for the sake of democracy". Remember, this is the same Hillary Clinton who who wouldn't renounce Geraldine Ferraro for saying "They're attacking me because I'm white" (something she did in 1988, too), and who said that John McCain "crossed the threshold" for President, while Obama hadn't.
If you tell me you honestly believe that, I'm calling you delusional at best or a liar at worst. Hillary is not the white knight of democracy, and attempts to gussy up her VERY self-motivated reasons for a re-vote as "caring about the voters more" are a joke.
The Florida situation is messy. I really want Floridians to feel like they had a voice in this process. I don't like Clinton's idea of seating delegates as is, because it WASN'T representative of a true campaign (based more off of name recognition at the time). Moreover, turnout was VERY low for the contest because even back in January they said it wasn't going to count. Nobody played up Michigan OR Florida as if their contests were meaningful until Hillary needed the delegates..
And I don't like kos' idea of a 50-50 split with half the power, because it also doesn't reflect the true sentiments of the people (including the 250,000 people that voted for Edwards that would likely change their votes to Clinton or Obama at this point).
But it's important to remember who got us into this clusterfuck in the first place: The collective will of almost every elected official in the state of Florida. And if there isn't a re-vote, it will be Florida elected officials (and NOT Barack Obama) that - again - made that call.
Originally posted at the Great Orange Satan