Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

While it's understandable that Barack Obama would like to minimize Hillary Clinton's popular vote gain in upcoming primaries, I would assume that he'd do so by advertising and campaigning in the states to turn out his own vote.  And not like this...I truly hope that his campaign has not stooped this low.

I just received this via an e-mail list, and I would like to know from Senator Obama whether it is true:

Could you pass some info on to the rest of the callers that are calling into WV?

I've been talking with some people already on the ground in WV and the Obama camp is calling voters, NOT to get out the vote, but to ask for money - campaign donations. The gist of the call is that its not important that they vote, because the election is over, and then they ask for money to help put this primary campaign to an end and move on to the general election. Basically, they are telling voters its over. Then they ask for $400 donations...

And here is my open message to Barack Obama...

Senator Obama:

What is going on?  Is your campaign instructing staff and volunteers to urge the citizens of West Virginia to stay home, and not to vote?  I hope not, because that would be a serious obstruction of democracy.  As you know, in a democracy citizens should be encouraged to participate in elections.  You yourself have expressed pride in registering new voters and engaging people in the democratic process.

I implore you to immediately issue a cease-and-desist instruction to your campaign staff and volunteers for this kind of activity.  

Concerned Citizen/Voter


UPDATE: Based on comments, I want to explain, for those who are not involved in phone-banking for either candidate, that the calling lists always include supporters or leaners for both candidates and, crucially, undecided voters. Any Obama volunteer who has made more than a few calls would know this.

Cross posted at TexasDarlin

Not affiliated with the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Tags: clinton, nomination, obama, popular vote, superdelegates, suppression, voter, West Virginia (all tags)



Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Please, let the people vote.  Encourage them to vote.  Please.

by TexasDarlin 2008-05-09 04:26PM | 0 recs

What a nightmare for all of us...

by architek 2008-05-09 04:51PM | 0 recs
From the people who brought you this diary


Sen. Obama's Gay Killin Pastor

brought to you by Sisterdo


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Is Obama's church killing gay people?

I heard something from Christopher Hitchens (posted here, b/c I can't take the media anymore, but you great people can and bring me the good stuff).

Hitchens-- you know him, writes for Vanity Fair, English, fat, drunk, mean, hates God, was and still is for Iraq, was a Marxist historian and I don't know what he is now-- but I think he's still a self-described Marxist.

Anyway, he can be wrong, he's always a pain, but he NEVER lies. He's the first real person who I heard say Obama had a racist church. Then I knew it really was separatist and crazy.

Hitchens is a horrible, mean creature but he would never lie about this.

This week, Hitchens as an Oxford trained historian said Farrakhan admitted to having Malcolm X killed. Terrible right? Farrakhan had Malcolm X executed by his church because of an internal fight-- and he said he was "policing his own." As I said, if horrible Hitchens said it, it's evidently true even though I don't like the guy too much.

Well.......DID REVEREND WRIGHT DO A FARRAKHAN on his own gay members? What's going on? I can't keep up.
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Pretty sad isn't it?

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 09:06PM | 0 recs
Reading TM and Hi44 is kind of addictive.

Like watching people descend into madness.

An excerpt:

If this is the New Iron Curtain where our freedoms---make no mistake people, our very freedoms--are all being stolen from us one by've been like the Beatles records.


The Democratic Party is going to need her in times to come. This New World Order is obscene.

by GFORD 2008-05-09 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?


by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 07:24PM | 0 recs
Your comment is out of bounds. You

must know that diaries make the rec list when a given number of people rec them in a given amount of time. So you have just insinuated that every person who rec'd this diary is a:


Please stop it. You go around praising the people who have "made the switch" to the Obama bandwagon in soothing patriotic tones and then come out with this garbage. Believe me, you're not doing Senator Obama any favors...

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-09 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Your comment is out of bounds. You

Don't even try it. This "you're not helping Obama" stuff is pathetic. Trying to hold me hostage with empty threats is sad.

I respect decent and well meaning supporters of Hillary Clinton who work hard for her and spin even harder.  canadian gal made a gem of a diary and I salute her on it. I know to separate the good from the bad.

I stand by my statement and double down. These people are lowlifes who have taken upon themselves to discredit not only Barack Obama but also Hillary Clinton supporters who have the very best intentions at heart. The "spam the Super D's fiasco" was the most pathetic and absurd thing I have seen this primary season.

This diary is a piece of manure and the people who rec it are just as bad as the person who wrote it. Take a stroll in Texas Darlin's blog and have a look at the hate and filth this person waddles in.

When you come back, tell me if you share her views.

I'll await your response.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 08:55PM | 0 recs
What is it about Senator Obama...?

What is it about Senator Obama that inspires and attracts and frees people who choose him to behave with such mean-spirited arrogance and aggression?
If the rules of civility go first and then reasoned discourse and then any notion of equal value and equal voice, then we should be ...what? Enticed to join them? Convinced to trust him to manage the Free World?

Judging from the way he treats Hillary , the primary proccess and voters and looking at the actions of so many of his supporters, you couldn't safely put Senator Obama in charge of a schoolyard at recess.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-09 11:21PM | 0 recs
Re: What is it about Senator Obama...?

The primary process? You're gonna seriously discuss who treated the "primary process" with greater respect? Or the voters?

You're gonna seriously argue that Hillary Clinton respected all that, and Obama didn't?

Hillary Clinton, the person whose campaign has so far dismissed:

  • young people as Kool-Aid drinkers
  • liberals as latte-sippers
  • African-Americans as uninteresting bloc-voters
  • caucus-goers as undemocratic
  • red-staters as irrelevant?

And Hillary Clinton so respects the process:

  • she counts the SDs... except when she starts losing them at which point they should only be counted in Denver, not before
  • she agrees not to participate in Michigan and then she goes to participate. She said that the votes won't count there, and then argues that they do.
  • she says that the process would be over by February, but now it's the height of arrogance from Obama supporters to declare it over in May.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-10 06:04AM | 0 recs
Yes to your 4th question and to any actual fact.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-16 01:11AM | 0 recs
No, he's right.

This diary is baseless propaganda.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-05-09 10:04PM | 0 recs
I can tell you why.

Her friends over at Hillaryis44 have come over and recc'ed it up.  That's what they do.

1950democrat Says:

May 9th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
neetabug Says:
May 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
mj Says:
May 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
A friend of mine emailed me and said Camp BO is calling voters in WV, not to get out the vote but for donations. Saying the election is essentially over so it doesn't matter who they vote for they just want a donation for the GE. This is all shameless voter suppression.

That would be quite a sign of desperation! First, that they need to press their small donors -- maybe their big money donors have pulled back.

Second, that they would tell their own supporters no need to get out and vote. Unless they are really only phoning Hill supporters and the whole donation thing is just a ploy to suppress our vote ... is that what you mean?

by GFORD 2008-05-09 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: I can tell you why.

Not only Hillaryis44.

Taylor Marsh too.

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BO is calling WV voters telling them he has already won and asking for donations(heard this from a friend).

NOW this is ILLEGAL. Can someone in WV get a recording of one of these phone calls?????

I'm reposting this from above.

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by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 09:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I can tell you why.

What's hysterical is the claim that it's illegal to call people to raise money.  And also that someone who devoted his life to getting people registered to vote and has started a national voter registration project would tell people not to vote.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-10 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Why?  You need to ask?  Have you learned nothing yet about this website?  Well, let me answer your question with another question: WWHD -- What would Hillary do?    

by froggyman 2008-05-09 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

What a nasty rumor.   I'm glad we have the wisdom to treat it as such until such a time as hard evidence is produced to verify it.

by Virginia Liberal 2008-05-09 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

This evening's Troll Rater:  the distillery

by TexasDarlin 2008-05-09 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Is that just because it was done to you? Ahh, they only TR abuse when they do it to Clinton supporters. Right? ;)

by ragekage 2008-05-09 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Stupid.  Voter Suppression?!?  Really??  You would be properly marked as a troll on ANY OTHER Democratic blog.

by rf7777 2008-05-10 05:21AM | 0 recs
I just received THIS via e-mail

Hillary says aliens landed in Roswell N.M in 1947.

I'd like to know if this is true, Hillary!!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-09 04:28PM | 0 recs
It's true. They then became citizens, and

their votes put her over the top in that state.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-09 04:42PM | 0 recs
Only cuz they're republicans and want Hillary

...want to face Hillary in November

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-09 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I just received THIS via e-mail

so, you think this is made up? I sure hope so, but on the off chance that it isn't, he'd be guilty of voter suppression and someone should warn him, in case he doesn't know and in case it's true. but sure hope it was a virus email.  I know it's out there, I saw it too.  

by anna shane 2008-05-09 05:28PM | 0 recs
Yes. It's a fake story.

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-05-09 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Thank you for this diary. Every vote COUNTS!

by KnowVox 2008-05-09 04:28PM | 0 recs

You received an email that fits perfectly with the narrative of voter suppression you floated in comments earlier today?  Really?

by map 2008-05-09 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

I almost referenced that diary in this one, and decided to not.    This email came later in the day.  Are you calling me a liar?

If this is true or false, it should be easy to document either way, sooner or later.

by TexasDarlin 2008-05-09 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

If this is true or false, it should be easy to document either way, sooner or later.

Exactly!  You hit the nail right on the head.  

If it is true it should be easy to document.  

The problem is, that it's even easier to post an unsubstantiated allegation without bothering to find out if it's true or false.  And then, if it does prove to be false, to vanish without acknowledging it, and then move on to the next unsubstantiated allegation.

by map 2008-05-09 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

That's the mydd way.  This one is a weaker effort than usual though, apparently the diarist doesn't know the definition of voter suppression.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

it's reported as a rumor, and there is no other way to check it out. He's not being condemned, my goodness what a double standard, even here Hillary rumors are reported. Over at kos they're front paged for days. I remember one at the Iowa caucus about someone seeing someone who had Clinton posters taking down Obama posters. That was such a big deal at kos that the outrage against Hillary topped like five hundred comments, and I was trolled for suggesting people not be so quick to believe it, lost my ratings for a few days cause someone thought i'd called the diarist a liar.  Funny, eh?  But if this is true, Obama's camp needs to be warned that it's highly unethical and could cost him big.  

by anna shane 2008-05-09 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

You recieved a mysterious email from people who heard from other people that some other people are calling these people to donate money instead of voting and you make a diary to call Barack Obama out on baseless allegations?

It would be really sad to see this piece of shit get on the Rec. List.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

At worst she knocks herself off the last place.  Let the hillaryis44 crowd do that if they want, this is an embarrassing effort, even by TD's standards.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

I knew someone who shook the hand of the person who shook the hand of the person who actually shook the hand of Andy Griffith  LOL

by Spanky 2008-05-09 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

how else to get Obama's attention, if he's knowledgeable about this, and he sometimes lets his campaign do their thang, he needs to put his lawyer hat on and put an end to it.  

by anna shane 2008-05-09 05:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

You want to get the Obama campaign's attention? Why not e-mail them?  Go to "contact us" on their web site and send them an e-mail. Or you can get their campaign headquarters phone number and you can call them.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

You certainly aren't intellectually honest; why should anyone expect you to be honest of any sort?

by Lawyerish 2008-05-09 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

Inappropriate use of the TR, TD; are you looking to get banned again?

It would probably be doing you a favor, really.

by Lawyerish 2008-05-09 05:12PM | 0 recs
A friend of mine received a diary

that said Obama is the Antichrist and wants to hand over U.S. sovereignty to the United Nations.  What I want to hear from the Obama campaign is whether this is true or not.  Why can't he tell me he's not the Antichrist?  What is he trying to cover up?  

by kellogg 2008-05-10 05:14AM | 0 recs
Correction: received an email

But, you know, it doesn't matter.  Because that, like this diary, is baseless rumor-mongering.

by kellogg 2008-05-10 05:14AM | 0 recs
The great potato conspiracy

Oh yeah, I heard that the Clinton campaign is planning to put potatoes in the tailpipes of all WV Obama voters on primary night, thus assuring her blowout win.  I know its true because I read it in a blind-carbon-copied-multiple-forward email message that someone cut-n-paste from a blog on the interweb.

Such abuse of democracy and spuds can not be tolerated!


by protothad 2008-05-10 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

I received an e-mail today that Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster and is a lesbian.  Maybe I should post a diary about it and write an open letter to her asking if it's true.

by mefck 2008-05-10 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

What, Obama is asking for donations instead of asking people to get out the vote in this one particular email?  Obviously that means he is trying to SUPPRESS THE VOTE!

Get back to me with evidence of real voter suppression, like telling people the wrong day to vote, or giving them the wrong voting location, turning away voters with BS reasons, etc.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

we don't need evidence, we need to warn him, if he's doing it he needs to stop.  You're so silly, you want him making such a  voter suppression mistake at a time like this, in case he is?  

by anna shane 2008-05-09 05:35PM | 0 recs
by Skaje 2008-05-09 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Don't give me his crappy website. Everyone knows they lie.

by indydem99 2008-05-10 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

"If he's doing it he needs to stop"?

Well then, if Hillary is dropping puppies out of planes she needs to stop.

Passing along rumors as though they were truths doesn't help anyone.  It lets people make baseless accusations and then deny that's what they were doing.

by TL 2008-05-10 05:06AM | 0 recs
The Obama has a problem with

people voting.

Some of them vote for Her.

by NewHampster 2008-05-09 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: The Obama has a problem with

Note nearly enough

by venician 2008-05-09 04:32PM | 0 recs
"The Obama"? WTF

With apologies to the late Allen Ginsberg:

The Obama wants to eat us alive. The Obama's power mad. He wants to take
our cars from out our garages.
He wants to grab Chicago. He needs a Red Reader's Digest. He wants our auto plants in Siberia. Him big bureaucracy running our fillingstations.

by kellogg 2008-05-10 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Didn't we just dismiss these allegations when they targeted black voters in NC?

But an Obama fundraising call...that's the REAL culprit!

by freedom78 2008-05-09 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

you have to understand the diarist to know why she post this kind of shit. Just go to her discusting hate filled web site.

by venician 2008-05-09 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Believe me, I've seen plenty of these diaries wherein the diaries have selective memory.

by freedom78 2008-05-09 04:39PM | 0 recs
Interesting how all the diaries and diarists you


support Hillary..

by architek 2008-05-09 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Interesting how all the diaries and diarists y

Not true at all.  I defend my chosen candidate against what I see as unfounded or hypocritical attacks.

But I also tell people who criticize Hillary in a disgusting fashion that I feel they have no place here.  I did so in the recent diary that showed video from some Hitler movie, and had subtitles so that Hitler said things Hillary might have said about the current election.  It was completely inappropriate, and I said so.  That's one example.  There are others.  

I don't always comment, if I feel others have done so to the point that the general disgust of the community is demonstrated.  I see a lot of Obama supporters self-policing when others of us (or trolls/Freepers posing as Obama supporters) get out of line.

So, I'm not sure what you want of me.  I'm a passionate defender of Obama's policies, so far as I agree with them.  But I've defended the Clintons on here, as well, particularly on the racism issue.  So, there you have it.  Feel free to confirm that by poring over my comments, if you wish.

by freedom78 2008-05-09 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

A great new diary by ragecage points out that Obama has gained another 26k votes in PA, on the provisional ballots. If Hillary wins by 20 per cent in Kentucky, this is probably around the same 20-30k value. 4/9806

I'm not buying the voter suppression argument, and everyone ought to be aware that the Kentucky vote, even if it's a landslide, will barely change the updated popular vote.

by duende 2008-05-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

That's not true, what you say about Kentucky.  A landslide in Kentucky with even modest turnout will give Hillary a lot of votes.  She's not predicted to win by 20%, she's predicted to win by over 30%.  The state has over 4 million people.  The electorate is split on race/class and there's not much anyone can do to stop Kentucky voting in patterns congruent with the Western Pennsylvania, Eastern Virginia and Southern Ohio counties that reflect Kentucky's demogaphy.  

Obama lost 15,000 votes in North Carolina today due to a double-count in its two most populous counties.  

With media perceptions and the like, none of this may matter, but you should be able to make your case without distorting facts.  

by BPK80 2008-05-09 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

How many Democrats are there in the state? What do you think turnout will be?  Until you answer these questions, you can't calculate the likely margin.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:51PM | 0 recs
How Many Registered Dems in KY?

As a resident of an adjoining state, I'm aware that KY has for many decades has more registered Dems. than Repubs, even though their two Senators and most of their Reps. are Republican.  They had a Repub. governor until the last election, when the sitting  Repub. Gov. was corrupt.

I'm sure the exact figures as easily obtainable.

by susie 2008-05-09 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: How Many Registered Dems in KY?

So obtain it and make a prediction.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-10 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: How Many Registered Dems in KY?
I'm on vacation.  No extra work.
I'll let the pros make the predictions.  Amateur predictions aren't worth much, as we've seen so often here.
by susie 2008-05-16 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

LoL most of them are Republican's....small Democrat population..however, maybe Rush will come through for you.

by netgui68 2008-05-09 08:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

That's not true.

KY is filled with disaffected registered Dems who vote for Republicans in national elections.  


The influx brings the party totals to:

* 1,629,845 Democrats

* 1,040,438 Republicans

* 186,948 other voters

The 2,857,231 total voters is a Kentucky record.

by BPK80 2008-05-10 12:49AM | 0 recs
I have been around for awhile

And I can't remember a Democrat coming close in these states...they are blood red just like my state...but if you want to believe differently...feel free to deceive yourself.

by netgui68 2008-05-10 03:45PM | 0 recs
Are you counting the double count in NC?

Are yuou accounting for the early voting being counted double for Obama in Mecklenburg and Wake counties, so far?  That amounted to over 50,000 votes he didn't get and they are checking other counties.  They added the early votes in with the precincts and then added them again on top of the county totals in urbam counties where Obama won.

by itsadryheat 2008-05-09 11:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Look, if this is true, it's probably the work of scam artists.

Or, wearing my tinfoil hat for a second: Perhaps they are McCain supporters looking for a new way to collect "donations" to the McCain campaign /snark

by poserM 2008-05-09 04:36PM | 0 recs
OMG! Our nominee is raising money!

Teh horror!

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-09 04:39PM | 0 recs
I wonder why

the antagonist in this story settled on $400? There must be some symbolism in that number. I love narratives that make you think.

by bookish 2008-05-09 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

I have read many a retarded post on this website. However, this one may take the cake. It even tops alegre for sheer obfuscation. Here is the text of an e-mail I got today from the Obama campaign:

"The West Virginia primary is coming up on Tuesday, May 13th, and we have an opportunity to secure some of the final available delegates and move a big step closer to the nomination.

We can't do this without your help -- and you can make a difference right from your home.

Our team has put together a list of the potential supporters here in West Virginia whom we most need to reach by Tuesday. Your voice could persuade them to cast their votes for Barack -- but only if you use our simple online tool right now and give them a call. "

Yeah, can't you just smell the voter suppression?

by jadegirl 2008-05-09 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

It's part of the new toilet sink strategy. I guess if she can't rule the village, might as well burn it down.

by venician 2008-05-09 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

And another thing, voter suppression is when you try to bring down the opposition's vote totals.  Where in that email does it even HINT at targeting Clinton voters?  At worst, Obama isn't focusing on bringing out his own voters, but that hardly helps him, does it?

Delete this diary.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

I will update the diary to explain that these phone lists include voters who support both candidates.  If you're involved in phone banking for Sen. Obama, you'd know this.

by TexasDarlin 2008-05-09 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

From a post upthread, an email that someone else got:

"The West Virginia primary is coming up on Tuesday, May 13th, and we have an opportunity to secure some of the final available delegates and move a big step closer to the nomination.

We can't do this without your help -- and you can make a difference right from your home.

Our team has put together a list of the potential supporters here in West Virginia whom we most need to reach by Tuesday. Your voice could persuade them to cast their votes for Barack -- but only if you use our simple online tool right now and give them a call. "

Yeah there's no proof, but you don't have any either.

And you don't know what real voter suppression is.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 05:04PM | 0 recs
How about updating the diary

to point out that it's baseless, paranoid rumor-mongering?

by kellogg 2008-05-10 06:10AM | 0 recs

if this rumor is true, Obama is calling Clinton voters and leaners.  These people have been ID'd for  weeks.

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-09 06:36PM | 0 recs

You see, that's all this is is a RUMOR. So why are you spreading RUMORS. Please go back to those hate filled sites you so love.

by venician 2008-05-09 06:39PM | 0 recs
Assuming this isn't just

a giant desperate fabrication, do you think that maybe, just maybe, he has Democratic voter lists? And I feel like I'm really stretching to offer the benefit of the doubt on the fabrication point.

by bookish 2008-05-09 07:49PM | 0 recs
A short serious question for Hillary Supporters

Please only answer if you're a genuine, passionate Hillary supporter.

If Obama wins the nomination, are you for or against an Obama/Hillary ticket, and why?

This is not trolling. I really want to know the answer.

by obsessed 2008-05-09 04:42PM | 0 recs
0ff topic

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-09 06:41PM | 0 recs
Not even worth a TR. n/t

by bookish 2008-05-09 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: 0ff topic

Sorry for being off-topic, but now that the original discussion has died down - what is the prevailing attitude among the Hillary faithful? I've seen very little discussion of the idea of HRC as VP here.

by obsessed 2008-05-10 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Another diary full of


by obamaovermccain 2008-05-09 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Always been a fan of this one, the expression on his face is perfect.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?


by bookish 2008-05-09 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

I'm impressed! Usually, the primary actually has to take place before the vote suppression/fraud/stealing charges can fly. It's nice to see Clinton supporters getting a jump on things!


by motbob 2008-05-09 04:52PM | 0 recs
what gall

the "voter supression piece" is the insisting the "race is over" when its not.  This is unfortunately a common Obama campaign tactic.

And the nerve of asking people for money when he is not in the state campaiging, when he knows he will lose by 30 points or more.

I hope this backfires on him, and certainly this kind of stuff, and the more egregious examples of intimidation and misinformation, can be presented to the supers as they weigh their choices.

by 4justice 2008-05-09 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: what gall

Obama specifically said today that the race is not over.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: what gall

And your common practice is to TR any comment you don't like.

But please do show us the proof that this is happening, otherwise you're just spreading rumors.

by venician 2008-05-09 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: what gall

Honestly, we have read in thread after thread after thread how much you hate Obama and how you can't bring yourself to vote for him.  We know.  Why don't you start commenting on something more positive or look into helping down ticket candidates.  Because pushing vitriol towards our presumptive nominee does not help the democratic party, and if you believe the things most democrats believe, does not help the country.

by shalca 2008-05-09 06:40PM | 0 recs
I have a great idea.

Why don't you email this to all the superdelegates and the media and Donna Brazille?
I know they all love hearing from you and your friends 20 or 30 times a day.

Keep it up!  You are really helping your girl win over the supers!  No, really!  They love you guys!

by GFORD 2008-05-09 08:57PM | 0 recs
I Don't Understand

Seems to me with all this "Obama has won the nomination" press, and Rasmussen not even caring to poll the Democratic race anymore, why do all the Obama supporters have their shorts riding up their asses?  There are a LOT of pissed off people here, hurling insults at everybody and everything.  The last time I checked Hillary Clinton was still running for President, and until she says anything different, her supporters are sticking with her.  Please deal with that.

by izarradar 2008-05-09 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I Don't Understand

Bill said it best on the campaign trail:

If people are telling you to drop out, it's because they're afraid you won't.

If people are telling you you can't win, it's because they're afraid you will.


by adrienne4dean 2008-05-09 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I Don't Understand

Bill really, really doesn't want to leave the campaign trail. And people do want to see him when he comes to their small towns.  But it didn't help Hillary that much in NC, no?

And here's some reports from West Virginia;

While the crowd gave Clinton an extremely warm welcome, many in the crowd seemed to lose interest as he began his speech -- even during his appeal for a high voter turnout.

During the course of Clinton's hour long speech, many people wandered out but those that did stay listened intently to Clinton discuss his wife's energy and education plans for America. 2008/05/bill-clinton-we.html

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I Don't Understand

He also said:

"One of Clinton's laws of politics is this: If one candidate's trying to scare you, and the other one's trying to get you to think; if one candidate's appealing to your fears, and the other one's appealing to your hopes; you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope".  Bill Clinton

by venician 2008-05-09 06:23PM | 0 recs
Think and hope?

That sums up Hillary in my book.  Ya know, Obama didn't invent that word.  

by izarradar 2008-05-09 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Think and hope?
He didn't invent it, he just seems to exemplify it better.
by Jay R 2008-05-09 09:34PM | 0 recs
I disagree

But we could debate that til the end of time, and I'm sure you wouldn't sway from your belief, nor would I change mine.

by izarradar 2008-05-09 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Think and hope?

Which emotion did the 3AM ad appeal to, hope or fear?

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-10 06:12AM | 0 recs
I'm not afraid

to say that the 3 a.m. ad appealed to me as a Mom.  I know that in our household I've always been the person up late at night checking on our kids.  I'm willing to bet that most Moms are the ones up at 3 a.m. whether they're sewing costumes for a school play, taking care of feverish kids, or having menopausal hot flashes.  I am still unsure why the 3 a.m. cuased such an uproar.  I'd would love to have a dialogue (reasonable, and not angry) about how men perceived that ad, and why some people were really angered by it.

by izarradar 2008-05-10 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

First Obama never asks for more than $100. I have been an Obama supporter for a long time and I have never gotten a call for a donation. My sense this is a third party scam for money.

And rather than telling us about contact your secretary of state a inform them.

I  am also highly suspect of third hand info off of email list around election time.

But again have your friends contact the secretary of state it should be investigated

by jsfox 2008-05-09 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Who would ask for $400.  That makes no sense.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:25PM | 0 recs
In case you come across my later comment

You get props for making this observation first.

I wonder if TxD wasn't mistaken. I'm pretty sure Obama always asks for $49.95.

by bookish 2008-05-09 08:00PM | 0 recs
Only one thing it can be for...

Sen. Obama needs a haircut and has decided to use Sen. Edwards barber.

by tonedevil 2008-05-10 12:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Not true, I got a call asking for $300 here in VT.

by anya109 2008-05-09 06:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Sure you did.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Wow.  So much for hope & change.

by alegre 2008-05-09 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Don't tell me even you are buying this.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Some will buy anything that fits into the already accepted narrative....

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-09 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

alegre at least has the history to back up her being a committed Democratic activist, though I may disagree with her posts.  However, hanging out here with so many obvious Republican trolls has led to an atmosphere where Clinton supporters will believe just about anything about Obama.  It's not healthy.

And while I cannot say openly who I feel is a Repblican plant because it would be taken as an attack on another user, I can merely point you in the right direction, and let you make up your own mind whether that person is a real Democrat.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

Oh, believe me, I almost give myself whiplash shaking my head at about 90% of that diarists posts....

But I agree with your assessment... as long as the goal is to smack Obama around, some people will buy an argument no matter how flimsy or non-existent the evidence....

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-09 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia?

She gives Hillary Clinton supporters and this blog a bad name.

Just check out her website.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 07:28PM | 0 recs
An anti-Obama

blog.  I say whoever wrote that blog is not a Democrat.  I say whoever wrote that blog is in fact anti-Democrat.  Gee, I wonder who it was?

by GFORD 2008-05-09 09:18PM | 0 recs
by Newcomer 2008-05-09 05:11PM | 0 recs
twisted logic
and probably fake (or at vastly different from the campaign phone-banking script).
Did you believe the Muslim e-mail too?
by SunWolf78 2008-05-09 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: twisted logic

The diarist does, which is why I can't take anything written by her seriously.

by Skaje 2008-05-09 05:30PM | 0 recs
Wow thanks for pointing this out

I thought s/he was just a well-meaning but hard-core Hillary supporter.  Now I know s/he's just a scumbag.

by JJE 2008-05-09 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow thanks for pointing this out

And who could forget Obama's scratching his face so that means he's giving Clinton the finger - when she isn't anywhere near by! 18/grown-ups-only-for-president-please

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: twisted logic

That is filthy.

Texas Darlin do you really think Obama is a terrorist?

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

Shame on you Barack Obama! Shame on you!! Meet me in West Virginia!  

If you were an honest man, you'd supress the voted in Oregon or Puerto Rico where the popular vote is higher! Not WV!  Shame on you Barack Obama! lol

by ETHIOLIB 2008-05-09 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

Earlier today when, in TD's earlier W. Virginia diary, I asked a perfectly normal question one asks about elections -- what do people think the turnout might be -- TD accused me of supporting voter suppression.  So that is the kind of intellectual honesty we are dealing with here.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:17PM | 0 recs
I think it's completely antithetical

to even utter "intellectual honesty" in this forum.

How dare you sully the phrase by using it here.

by bookish 2008-05-09 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

Probably the most bizarre part of this e-mail is the idea that Obama voters would tell people they didn't need to vote.  This is the campaign that has been brilliant at organizing voters and getting them to vote. Obama got his start in politics doing a voter registration project. So now they would just give that up?  

BTW, in my little swing state, tomorrow -- almost six months before the election -- two paid Obama staff will be initiating a voter registration drive in the area.  

Yep, these folks fit the profile of those who don't want people to vote.  

And what's with the ask of $400 freakin' bucks?  Who gives $400? (Not me. I don't own a silver BMW nor have a $350/hour accountant like a certain someone.)

by politicsmatters 2008-05-09 05:24PM | 0 recs
Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

A $400 donation?  That doesn't sound like an Obama call and of all places to do this, WV?  I doubt it.  He'll take any and all donations, he's not like the Fraternal Order of Police, where you can only donate certain amounts.

by venavena 2008-05-09 07:05PM | 0 recs
Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

A $400 donation?  That doesn't sound like an Obama call and of all places to do this, WV?  I doubt it.  He'll take any and all donations, he's not like the Fraternal Order of Police, where you can only donate certain amounts.

by venavena 2008-05-09 07:06PM | 0 recs
How is this diary on the Rec List?

There is no concrete evidence (link, transcript, recorded message, verifiable sources) to make your point.  More of an assertion then fact at the moment.    

by optimusprime 2008-05-09 07:07PM | 0 recs
TD's on the all her diaries get rec'd list.

You must be new.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-09 07:14PM | 0 recs
OK. TD. Let's check it out.

Let's start with what email list you got this from?

Could we also have a copy of the entire email including the header info? You can delete out your personal information.

Then I'll be happy both to investigate as much as I can and also forward this to the Obama campaign for investigation.

I'll check back in the morning to get your response.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-09 07:09PM | 0 recs
Ha. Ha. I get troll rated for trying to verify

I love it. I get so much amusement here. The offer still stands. Give me the email, and the list it came from, and I'll try to get to the bottom of it. Really. I'm pretty good at this.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-09 08:08PM | 0 recs
You got got troll rated... by accident.

Sorry - didn't pull the pull down menu right.   Have fixed.  

by Virginia Liberal 2008-05-09 09:09PM | 0 recs
Thanks Virginia for fixing. Appreciate it.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-10 08:41AM | 0 recs
I thought as much. Unsubstantiated rumor is

more the style.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-10 08:44AM | 0 recs
Jesus F'ing Christ

I mean, c'mon people!  Are some of you this naive as to believe this is true?  Because if so, I have some bridges for sale!

texasdarlin, you are the kind of person who (1) actually believed Obama gave Clinton the finger, (2) engages in a bigoted whisper campaign about Obama's scary Muslim past and (3) calls the black candidate "uppity."  I leave it at that.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-09 07:09PM | 0 recs
This is utter bull shit.

I am someone who calls West Virginia voters.  We have a script.  We don't ever ask for money.  We ask who they are supporting, give them information on our candidate, and direct them to how to find their polling place.

If you want to see the script, you can develop a profile on my barack obama, and then choose make calls.  You'll see the script.

You are full of crap.

by The Distillery 2008-05-09 07:17PM | 0 recs

TexasDarlin wants to hide your comment. So cute.

by kyle in philly 2008-05-10 09:08AM | 0 recs
How to deal with a cornered, injured animal

Walk away.

This crew is beginning to make Alex Jones look like the voice of reason. Perhaps they can team up with Ron Paul and run on the Tin Foil Hat ticket.

Silly begets silly begets silly begets....

by bookish 2008-05-09 07:17PM | 0 recs
Paul's a goof

but honest.

by benmasel 2008-05-09 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Paul's a goof
You buy the story about him knowing nothing about the Ron Paul Report?
by Jay R 2008-05-09 09:36PM | 0 recs
My grandparents lived in his district

He's honest about the stuff that doesn't make him look like a wacko libertarian; the other stuff he's keeping close to the vest now that he's in the public eye. He has a UFO fetish real similar (moreso) to Kucinich's (maybe that's why they were throwing kudos at each other a couple of months back).

He's been right on the war, but he's a consummate politician on the issues that could really destroy his image with otherwise rational people.

by bookish 2008-05-09 10:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

I have big connections in the BO campaign thanks to my work for him, and a relation built out of his calling my sick brother.  

I read this story and contacted my friend who travels with the campaign, and is IN FACT in WV putting boots on the ground, etc.

This story, if true at all, has NOTHING to do with Obama.  His campaign has moved into an entirely new direction. While they are trying to put enough resources in the state to demonstrate intrest and assure that his people go to the polls, NO ONE has spent the sort of resources there to do what TDs sources indicate.  

The long and short is that Obama has moved to the GE, and his inner circle is ceding WV and KY, focusing on OR to put the nomination to rest.

Whoever is selling you this koolaid TD, is doing so BADLY.  I would be careful not to sully yourself by repeating spurrious poo.

by a gunslinger 2008-05-09 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

It's a good sign that this is the only insanity/unsubstantiated-rumor/innuendo/ fact-challenged/obama-hit-piece diary on the rec list right now, but that's still one too many.

It's time to bring back MyDD from the brink and STOP rec'ing this crap.

by chinapaulo 2008-05-09 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

The Hillaryis44/TaylorMarsh trolls do all the rec'ing.

It would be easy to weed out this scum by following the trail.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-09 07:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

I thought this diary was so funny, I rec'd it. I don't regret it.

by motbob 2008-05-09 08:03PM | 0 recs
I love the transformative power

of humor. Or desperation. It can turn a seemingly serious political site into a parody of itself.

by bookish 2008-05-09 08:09PM | 0 recs
Funny how only the Clinton

supporters have heard of this.  Why wouldn't the Obama campaign be contacting his own supporters?

I for one am not stupid enough to believe this nonsense.

by GFORD 2008-05-09 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

This hit piece is a joke.  Kindly accept my middle finger as a sign of disapproval.  What do you have lined up for tomorrow texasdarlin?  Is Obama going to buy a weird vegetable at the supermarket? Are you going to get a mysterious email that asks if Obama is eating babies? Is Hillary going to inherit the power of a god and alter space and time to get enough delegates to win the election?  Is Hillary going to 'righteously' fight to kneecap Senator Obama and so she can run again in 2012?  

Seriously, this is the kind of crap I expect to hear out of jerks like Sean Hannity.  When did MyDD become the Faux News of the Clinton Camp and when did Texasdarlin become bizzaro Limbaugh?

by brathor 2008-05-10 12:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

TexasDarlin please write better diaries come on you are better then this. Many Clinton supporters broke nails trying to get you back from being banned please do not make us go through that again. We need you, but come on you are better then this. I do not want to lose you! I need your diaries! It would take a starve in next time to get you back and I do not know if I can resist that bowl of ice cream for that long.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-05-10 12:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

Can this be deleted, this lies are just wrong.

by Bobby Obama 2008-05-10 05:02AM | 0 recs
"Heard from a friend of a friend"

This diary is pretty much the definition of urban legend.  

It's also paranoid and unintentionally hilarious (in which fundraising becomes voter suppression).

by kellogg 2008-05-10 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

If this is true and I am not saying it is it shows a lack of understanding of the demographics of the state. WV is one of the poorest in the union. I can't believe they have the nerve to ask someone for $400. I guess when you drive a hybrid and can afford to pay $5 for a cup of coffee $400 is not that much.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-05-10 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

Of course they wouldn't ask for $400. That by itself shows show absurd the story is.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-10 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

I wander into Democratic blogs and websites periodically, and just came back to MyDD after several months and I'm finding it really fascinating.  Over the last week I've been obsessively reading diaries and comment threads, and it seriously seems like a different universe in here.  I live in a blue state, have many friends and colleagues supporting both Obama and Clinton (I myself started with Edwards, now Obama) and never have I encountered the level of vitriol, shameless rumor-mongering and childishness that appears to be standard operating procedure here.  Really, it seems like a totally different blog than I remember it being.  And a lot of the nastiness is from both sides.

I think the echo chamber effect here is worthy of a PhD thesis.  This diary is laughable, as many have said.  Seriously, could any rational person envision such a competently run, effective campaign as Obama's asking for $400 over the phone from random people in one of the poorest states in the country?  Seriously?  Maybe I'm just incapable of understanding the true venality and idiocy and incompetence and arrogance of the Obama campaign because I'm a college-educated person from a caucus state who has betrayed my gender and race by voting for Obama.

by travelerkaty 2008-05-10 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

This diarist is very very bias in their postings so much credibility is lost.

Stop spreading rumors, please, for the party's sake.

If you can't post a diary to unify the party, please don't post it here.  

Clinton already has toned down her rhetoric, so please take a cue from the person you allegedly support.  

I use the word allegedly because I'm beginning to think you are a republican troll.  If you truly are a Democrat, can you post something positive that will unify rather than divide the two camps?  This is my challenge to you Texasdarlin.  Prove yourself a true Democrat and take my challenge.

by hienmango 2008-05-10 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Voter Suppression in W. Virginia? [Updated]

Look, there have documented, questionable practices during this primary (and I think you know what I am referring to) The fact that Texas put this out there makes sense to me. If it inspires people to look for evidence or lack of evidence, so be it. I fear too much went on with no questioning and no scrutiny. And about those things people are starting to wish they had spoken up sooner. Texas, you do a great job...this issue demands some thought and investigation.

by susanclare 2008-05-10 10:37AM | 0 recs


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