Obama is now gaming our system

Our how ironic.  Look what I just got in my email.  Obama is gaming the system, asking people in Pa to change their party affiliation to game the system in PA.
I plan to spread this all over the PA blogs so that all democrats know how little he values our party and PA's right to hold a closed  primary where democrats get to decide on their own nominee.  

Follow me over the fold to witness for yourself how underhanded the Obama campaign is. Not only is he encouraging republicans to change registration, but he is encouraging out of state students to vote here too.  I wonder how many of them already voted for him in other states?

Dear Teresa,

Register to vote The Pennsylvania primary is only six weeks away, but there's another important deadline coming up even sooner.

Anyone who wants to vote on April 22nd must be registered as a Democrat by March 24th. If you are not currently registered or are registered in another party, you must register as a Democrat in order to vote for Barack.

This race is extremely close, and every vote matters. Make your support count by registering as a Democrat today:

http://pa.barackobama.com/PAvote

If you're certain that you're already a registered Democrat, take a moment to invite five of your friends to register as Democrats so they can join you in voting in the Pennsylvania primary:

http://pa.barackobama.com/PArtv

This campaign has generated unprecedented enthusiasm all across the country. Hundreds of thousands of supporters have attended events, canvassed their neighborhoods, and organized their communities for Barack.

But the Pennsylvania primary is quickly approaching, and now's the time to turn our enthusiasm for Barack into votes.

Whether you are not registered or are registered as a Republican or in another party, make sure your voice is heard. The deadline to register as a Democrat is March 24th, but you can register today:

http://pa.barackobama.com/PAvote

Thank you,

Angela

Angela Botticella
Pennsylvania Deputy Field Director
Obama for America

P.S. -- If you are a student currently living in Pennsylvania, you are eligible to register as a Democrat here and vote in the primary on April 22nd.

Register right now:

http://pa.barackobama.com/PAvote

And if you know that you are a registered Democrat, invite five of your friends to register as Democrats in Pennsylvania and vote on April 22nd:

http://pa.barackobama.com/PArtv

Oh the delicious irony.  Remember the "Democrat for a day campaign?  I thought this type of sleaziness was isolated to Mi and Fl.

BTW, let me be one of the first to say how thrilled I am that the new governor of NY is an important first in that state.  Not only is he the first black governor I believe but he is also the first blind governor anywhere if I am correct.  
I am thrilled for the people of NY, the AA community and the blind community. Congratulations to the new governor, his family and his state.
Go David!

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Re: Obama is now gaming our system
This is hardly worth mentioning. THE PERSON RECEIVING THIS EMAIL IS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER! How dense can you be. The email encourages HIS SUPPORTER to register (if not registered already) or, if they belong to another party, like the GREEN Party or the REPUBLICAN Party, to reregister. Here are some interesting stats on Hillary's supposed Republicans friends in Mississippi:

On several questions a shockingly high percentage of the people who voted for Hillary Clinton indicated they did not like her -- numbers that were not reflected in the views of Obama supporters of their own candidate.

For example, 31% of Hillary Clinton's voters said she was not honest and trustworthy. By comparison, just 4% of Barack Obama's supporters said the same.

24% of Hillary Clinton's had a strongly favorable opinion of John McCain -- compared to 6% of Barack Obama's supporters.

by campaignmonitor 2008-03-12 08:31AM | 0 recs
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This is hardly worth mentioning. THE PERSON RECEIVING THIS EMAIL IS AN OBAMA SUPPORTER! How dense can you be.

 - Maybe you should stop the name calling , its juvenile.

She apparently received the e - mail and if i was to hazard a guess , i would say she wasn't an Obama supporter.

Go Figure.

by lori 2008-03-12 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system
The email is obviously addressed to Obama supporters. My sister got one too. If she's not one then, guess what, she might have been on a list.
by campaignmonitor 2008-03-12 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

struck a nerve here didnt she?

of course they know they cant possibly win with democrats alone, they havent yet...

so as they have from the start, they HAVE TO SCREW WITH OUR PARTY's SYSTEM.

Bringing in "Dems for a day" or they have no chance to win at all.

ITS A  DISGRACE AND IS WHY OBAMA WILL NEVER BE OUR PARTY'S NOMINEE.

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-12 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

So, if a person decides to newly register as a Democrat, he's a "Dem for a day?"  Huh?  Here's a thought: After Obama wins, they'll decide to be Dems for a lifetime.

by Aaron Michael 2008-03-12 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Aaron:  The problem is that this is borderline illegal.  Obama is wrongly encouraging students to register in PA, even if they have already voted in an earlier primary in their home state.  He did something like this in Iowa: http://blogs.britannica.com/blog/main/20 07/12/obama-a-sneaky-stacking-of-the-dec ks-in-iowa/.  

Obama is sneaky.

by findthesource 2008-03-12 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

per cnn exit polls:

Obama won Mississippi Dems by 64% to 36%.

Clinton won the Republicans 76% to 24%

Independants favored Clinton 55% to 40%

by svotaw1992 2008-03-12 11:26AM | 0 recs
As someone's who'se worked

registering democrats for the overseas primary, may I say that voters (especially primary ones) are lazy and distracted and they DO need to be told how and when to vote.

The e-mail is addressed to Obama supporters, many of whom are not yet registered because they don't know how or haven't bothered.  Like, say, 18-year-olds voting for the first time (did you read that part about college students?).  I would hope for the Clinton campaign's sake that they're doing the same thing.  Or is their strategy to whine about people registering at the last minute?  It's amazing the HRC campaign has gone downhill...

It's good politics and good policy to make sure your suppoters can vote.  Gaming the system?  What is wrong with you?  Also, there's evidence that Republicans who are trying to "game" the Democratic primary system aren't voting for Obama.

by corph 2008-03-12 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: As someone's who'se worked

see the amateur politicos "spin".

how fun!

by Thomas J Jefferson 2008-03-12 11:42AM | 0 recs
Great tag line

Are these the only significant states a Democrat needs to win in order to be the nominee?

This means that places like Iowa, Missouri, Virginia, Minnesota, Wisconsin are irrelevant, right?

by MoDem 2008-03-12 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Great tag line

no theyre our "mo" states that will in it all for us.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: As someone's who'se worked

so, if you knew anything about GOTV targeting strategies, you'd know that likely supporters (ie, people who've signed up to receive campaign emails) who are infrequent voters (anyone who is newly registered, who didn't vote in 2006 or 2004, who has only voted in 1 presidential campaign, etc....) are the ones who get sent reminders and have people knock on their doors.

oh, i forgot, this is just more "spin." i fuckin hate it when reality gets in the way though...... this is just plain ol' vanilla GOTV, but you're too dishonest to look to see that and would rather troll around and poke people. have fun with that.

by james c 2008-03-12 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: As someone's who'se worked

i realize that nerves are raw these days, but that was still a very rude and condescending comment.

Everyone here's an amateur.
Everyone here gives their take on the issues.
I'd hope you can manage more of a response than abject scorn.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-12 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: As someone's who'se worked

Some are more amateur than others.  Some are longtime party activists and some are novices.  It's usually easy to know which is which.

by Tolstoy 2008-03-12 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: As someone's who'se worked

It doesn't matter. You don't get more of a say here because you worked on a campaign or whatever.

Attack the candidates, attack the commenter's arguments, but don't attack the commenters.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-12 07:55PM | 0 recs
Obama is Playing by the Rules

This only demonstrates the compentency of Obama's campaign verses the desperate negativity of the incompentently run Clinton Campaign.

If you want to see out Primary system being really gamed, check this out: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/11/2345 27/316

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-12 05:24PM | 0 recs
How do you know that?

How do you know that it isn't a list that they bought to target a certain demographic in Penn., such as a certain age group? How do you know that they're not targeting people who usually vote Republican, as well as young people? Oh, right. I forgot. If it's Republicans crossing over to vote for Obama, it's because they're enthralled and inspired. If they cross over to vote for Clinton, they're racists who are looking to game our system.

by georgiapeach 2008-03-12 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system
An I quote: "Make your support [For Obama] count by registering as a Democrat today"
by campaignmonitor 2008-03-12 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

I think a quick look at my comments will show I am not an Obamafan.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Seriously, some of these folks are just dense.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

But you are on Obama's mailing list. That is for Obama supporters, so emails from the Obama campaign to their list are presumed to be to supporters.

This is a GOTV email, like any campaign sends out, reminding people they must be registered by a certain date to vote. To try to make an issue of it is just kind of odd.

by BriVT 2008-03-12 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

precisely the point. i don't think theresa and friends get that this is a standard GOTV email, and she got it not because she supposedly supports obama (duh, we clearly get the fact that she doesn't) but because she either signed up to receive emails from his website or signed up with another organization (like MoveOn....but there are many others).

it makes them feel better to think he's "gaming the system," and now theresa wants to tell all her friends in PA about it. how quaint. i hope they've got a little more sense than she does though......

by james c 2008-03-12 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

 Yeah but I was getting stuff from Obama's camp here in LA and had never even looked at his website. Same with Richardson. Didn't get anything from Hillary until after I went to her site and signed up.
  I'm an Independent.

 Funny thing though too, both the guys emails would say how things were going and then would of course ask for money. Again, I just found it rather odd.

 namaste.
    ks

by artsyker 2008-03-12 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

candidates can get voter info from any number of places, whether orgs like moveon or dfa, or from voter rolls. if enough planning goes into it, a candidate can  send out wide appeals to people who may not support him or her. it's just advertising; not everyone will be receptive, but some people will.

as far as asking for money.....ya, it's politics. i don't even check my yahoo email account anymore bc i can't stand to wade through all the appeals, not only from all the candidates but from all the past candidates, friends of the candidates, and organizations that are friends of the candidates.

when i give though, i know that my name will be on more lists.

it's all good. just part of the system i guess.

by james c 2008-03-16 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

no you may not be, but people who will register to vote for him are.  Isn't the Democratic Party open to all citizens and if someone who is currently a Republican registers as a Democrat aren't they then a Democrat?  What is wrong w/more registered Democrats.  This is a ridciulous argument from a Democrat that we should not have more registered Democrats.

by daninpa 2008-03-12 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

what is your point? I don't mean to be rude, I really do not know what you are saying here.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

The point is that the Republican Party went all out for Clinton in Mississippi.  You're attacking the wrong candidate.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Excuse me, but did Hillary solicit republicans to vote for her the way Obama is soliciting Republicans to vote for him? That is the crucial question. because you see, Obama is playing on Republicans hatred of all things Clinton to get them to vote for him. Hillary is reaching out to Independents who are by definition not affiliated with one party or the other. That is called playing fair. Obama is gaming the system.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Bill Clinton was on The Rush Limbaugh Show the day of the TX vote. What do you think he was doing there?

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-12 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

False.  Clinton was on a local radio show, and the host later guest-hosted for Limbaugh, and replayed the interview.

by dhonig 2008-03-12 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

yea. funny how that worked out. Rush taking off the one day the Bill came in for an interview. funny.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-12 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

No, you misunderstand. Clinton did the interview on the local station.  The same guy LATER guest-hosted and ran that interview.

by dhonig 2008-03-12 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system
I don't know anything about that radio host...is he known to be a right-winger? I would think that you'd need some solid wingnut credentials to land a spot guest-hosting for Rush.
 
by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-12 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Where in that document do you see Obama "playing on Republicans' hatred of all things Clinton"?  He's asking people to register as Dems.  Surely you've heard of people switching parties, or of growing the Democratic Party's base, right?  And, do you have any evidence that Clinton rejects people who switch parties?  I note that the voter registration sheet on her website asks no questions about previous party affiliation.

This "gaming the system" crap is just a terrible argument, especially when vast numbers of Clinton's supporters in Mississippi were Republicans who don't actually want her to win the presidency.  Are you now going to say that the results of closed primaries are also illegitimate, should Clinton lose (in addition to open primaries and caucuses)?  What method of voting is left?  

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Because I saw the orignial Democrat for a Day campaign ad and it very specifically stated that. Obama is too clever to come right and say it now that he was caught doing it and it didn't go over too well. But everyone knows what he is doing. It's like his bamboozling and hoodwinking comments around large black audiences. You don't have to come right out and say it if everyone already knows what you are talking about. And believe me, we do.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

I'm white, and I feel bamboozled and hoodwinked when I'm told that Obama is not fit to be CiC but that he is fit to be VP.  It's an affront to voters' intelligence when Clinton panders to different sub-groups with diametrically opposed soundbites.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama VP or PRes.

 As I recall on during a debate when Hillary said "I'm ready on day one!" Obama's response was "Yeah but I was right!" I got the impression from his own response that he wasn't ready on day one.

 So maybe he is right-he just was not going to be ready on day one. I do think though that with some mentoring on protocol, some anger management classes etc...yeah he could be ready, eventually.

 So what changed? Why does he suddenly think he'll be ready?

namaste.

by artsyker 2008-03-12 06:32PM | 0 recs
Obama is asking them to support him

both now and after the election.

Bill Clinton went on Limbaugh's show to support the idea of Republicans crossing over just for that election only for the sole purpose (for the crossovers) of prolonging the fight on the Democratic side.

Face it.  Your candidate has no chance to win the popular vote or the majority of states.  She just caused a respected Democrat who was a pioneer for women to humiliate herself for Hillary, only to have Hillary toss her aside when she misjudged the backlash from Ferraro's "only because he's black" comments.  

We've gone from "fighting the good fight" to "if I can't have the nomination, I will make damn sure Obama's wounded in the general."  

by bosdcla14 2008-03-12 01:38PM | 0 recs
now that is not a very sensible point

I don't care what the republican party is doing.  If they help nominate Hillary they are going to be sorry about what they wish for.

The point of this diary is that Obama is trying to game the system.  Have you seen a single email or hand out with Clinton doing the same thing? No, you have not.  She is a real democrat with democratic party values and loyalty.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

What he's saying is that Hillary Clinton has received far more votes from crossover Republicans "gaming the system" than Barack Obama has, in most states for which the polling data is available. In MS it was 3-1.

Virtually all of the crossover Republicans who voted for Hillary Clinton stated that they would be dissatisfied if she were to become President and that their choice for President in the GE was John McCain. Virtually all of the crossover Republicans who voted for Obama stated that they would be satisfied if he were to become President and that their choice for President in the GE was Barack Obama.

In other words, the bulk of Republicans voting for Clinton were "gaming the system", while the bulk of the voting for Obama were for Obama.

This is a fairly successful Limbaugh tactic, one apparently endorsed by Bill Clinton at least (he went on Limbaugh's show, though with a guest host at least), asking Limbaugh listeners to vote for Hillary in the primaries. Whether correct or not, it's the perception of most of right-wing talk radio that Hillary would be a much easier candidate to defeat in the General Election.

Asking people to vote for a candidate because they like and support that candidate is not gaming the system. Asking people to vote for a candidate because they don't like or support that candidate, but think they'd be easier to beat in the GE by the candidate they do like and support, is gaming the system.

Obama's not asking anyone to vote for him who doesn't like and support him. And he's not asking anyone to vote for him as a vote against someone else. That's not gaming the system.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-12 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Why this gets TR'd, I have no idea.  I guess the truth hurts.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Good, then Howard Dean should

Jesus Christ.  Many states have same-day registration.  Are they now all illegitimate, too?  How much time is good enough for you?

I'll give you a real-life example.  Up until this year I had voted in Wisconsin.  I now live in New York and wanted to participate in the primary.  I did not realize that I would have to register 25 days before the primary.  Therefore, I did not have the opportunity to vote in the NY primary this year.  Of course, this is far too lax a requirement for you, and so I guess NY's deadline will have to be rolled back as well.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 10:35AM | 0 recs
it is too late to change the law

but not candidate should be trying to game the system the way Obama is.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: it is too late to change the law

What registration requirements would satisfy you?  So far as I can tell, you want:

1) Anyone who has ever registered as a Republican to be banned for life from registering as a Democrat;

2) Some undefined pre-primary deadline for independents (but not Republicans) to register as Democrats.  This deadline apparently would be greater than 60 days, thus requiring that dozens of states change their electoral laws.

Feel the democracy!

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

This is an explanation from my friend who is an 8th generation Mississippian (child of a government teacher/southern history major).  For me, no one knows southern politics better than him

"Many "republicans" in MS were voting against Obama.  Obama's supporters really turned a bunch of people off here.  Also, I know people that voted in the democratic primaries because we had other races going, and they wanted to vote in those races.  Many of these voters also cast a vote for Hillary not because they like her, but because they would not vote for Obama.

We don't register our party in MS.  So the party here is whatever the person said they were that day (a soup de jour effect).  We rarely have people running as republicans on the local level so probably 99.9% of those "republicans" CNN talks about vote in democratic primaries.

Look at the racial division.  70% of White Democrats voted for Clinton.  55% of White Independents voted for Clinton.  76% of All republicans (this is mostly white voters) voted for Clinton.  91% of all Black Democrats voted for Obama.  (black people didn't make up enough of any other category to show up anywhere else such as black independent).  I am so disappointed in my state for spiraling into this, but people voted their race.

CNN also reported that 70% of the votes cast in the democratic primary were by African-Americans.  40% of those voting said race was a major factor in picking their candidate (my guess is 40% is low the others just didn't admit it).  Of that 40%, 90% of those voters voted for Obama.  So breaking that stat down, 3 out of every 10 voters who voted for Obama said the fact he was black was a major contributing factor in their decision.

Look at it another way, 70% of all democratic primary votes were cast by black voters.  9% of black voters voted for Clinton.  The final result 61% Obama and 37% Clinton.  Almost every black voter went Obama and almost every white voter went Clinton.  Race right down the line.

I feel like Dr. King's dream has been kicked in the rear today by MS.  Not only did we vote for the color of someone's skin and not the content of their character, 40% of Mississippians admitted it."
 

by JoeySky18 2008-03-12 11:30AM | 0 recs
don't be too discouraged
at least 40 percent of people are honest.  Racism has never left us, people just lie about it and MS proves that racism goes both ways.
I think Obama would have done better with White people had he not been calling everyone a racist before every primary.   Sure it energized Black voters but it also pissed off and energized white voters.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

This is such a stupid diary.  Those emails are sent to supporters.  Regardless of party affiliation, those people plan on voting for Obama in the primary and in the general election.  He isn't gaming anything here, he's just trying to turn out his support.

by Chili Dogg 2008-03-12 12:06PM | 0 recs
It's not a stupid diary,

but it does have a lot of stupid comments in it.

by georgiapeach 2008-03-12 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Uh, we WANT voters to register as Democrats.  It's a good thing when they do.  A certain percentage of them will vote Dem in the fall, not all, not even most, but some.  It grows the party over time.

So, in MS, it was hurtful to my candidate.  Something like 75% of Republicans voted for Clinton.  15% of those who voted for Clinton would be unhappy if she won!  But it's still a net gain for the Dem. party, as some percentage of those cross-overs will continue to vote Dem in perpetuity.  So I'm not complaining.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-12 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

but only if they support Obama right?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

No!  We want them whether they support Obama or Clinton.  In the long run, it's a win for Dems either way.

Didn't I make that clear in the initial post?

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-12 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

No, not only if they support Obama. Get all the crossover republicans and independents you can to support Clinton! No snark -- please do.

There are issues beyond the two candidates involved here. We want a Democrat to be in the White House in the fall for a host of reasons. I personally think Obama is the better choice to be that person; you think it's Clinton.

Either of them is better than McCain.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-12 10:01AM | 0 recs
The email does not say

register democrat now and then unregister.

It says register democrat. Its reminding Obama supporters to update their registration or to to register democrats. Are you seriously this blind?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Boy you are shortsighted.  Your ignorance of strategy and politics is astounding.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-12 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

but only if they support Obama right?

This is a stupid question.  If they supported Hillary,
that would be one thing.  But the crossover vote for Hillary in places
where that happened big was from opponents of Hillary,
NOT supporters.  It was from right-wing lemmings stampeded by talk radio.
This mailer is not that.

Teresa's attempted moral equivalence between
 this apple and that orange makes it seem that
Hillary is indeed exactly the right candidate for her.

by IvoteMay6th 2008-03-12 02:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Wow, that was a snide and unnecessary remark.

by LandStander 2008-03-12 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

And you really believe that these voters that are Republicans now will stay registered as Democrats if they switch over and vote in our primary?

They may be Republicans but they aren't dumb asses.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

A certain percentage of them will, yes.  Let's say it's just 5-10%.  That's a whole lot of people switching sides!!!

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-12 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

What's wrong with registering new Democrats?  As long as they do it prior to the registration deadline, I don't see a problem.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-12 08:33AM | 0 recs
thanks for trolling, move along.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:42AM | 0 recs
erm, we DO NOT want new democrats???

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

And, if you think there's voter fraud afoot, I suggest you send the evidence to the FEC or Justice Department.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-12 08:35AM | 0 recs
This diary is blind in its utter stupidity.

Getting people to register as Democrats is GOOD.

Only in the fever swamps of Obama-hating blogistan is it a bad thing.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-12 08:39AM | 0 recs
Not Democrat For A Day

Obama wants Independents and disillusioned Republicans to register as Democrats, and to stay that way.

by HatchInBrooklyn 2008-03-12 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Not Democrat For A Day

Sounds to me like he is a Delusional Democrat if he thinks they are going to stay that way.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:19AM | 0 recs
thats so dumbass

so if we do get to register new democrats how do you think we get new democrats?

Wave a magic wand?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Oh my god, now that motherf***er is trying to get people to vote for him???

WILL HE STOP AT NOTHING?????

by Trent 2008-03-12 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

hahaha, the audacity of campaigning!

by Chili Dogg 2008-03-12 12:12PM | 0 recs
this is Obama's "New Politics"

Get republican's to cross over and vote against Hillary.  That is the unspoken message.

Vote Against Hillary.  The entire Obama campaign is a negative, stop Hillary campaign.  Or as they say elsewhere.  ABC.  anyone but Clinton.

Ask almost any Obama supporter why do you support him and the standard answer is, "she voted for the war".  It's not him, it's anti-her.

by NewHampster 2008-03-12 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: this is Obama's "New Politics"
Are you kidding me? this email is targeted at OBAMA SUPPORTERS, and I quote: "Make your support [for Obama] count by registering as a Democrat today"
by campaignmonitor 2008-03-12 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: this is Obama's "New Politics"

You are either a robot or are brainwashed. I refuse to believe you are so dumb as to believe what you are saying here. This email is targeted at anyone their website or it's affiliates have email address access to.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:21AM | 0 recs
so....

do you assume ALL of Hilary supporters are already registered democrats?

Lets say an Independent in PA wants to vote Hilary. Is it wrong for hilary to send him/her an email telling this Independent to register by such and such day, so he/she could vote Hilary?

Are you seriously this dense?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: this is Obama's "New Politics"
but if they are already Obama supporters wouldn't they have already been a dem?  Ahhh, politics as usual. Ahh wait, but didn't he say he was going to do things differently? Change? Oh I see the change he was talking about was in changing one's party. Even for a day...hmm makes me wonder exactly what's up. because if he gets them to change for a day and wins their vote, they will go back and vote for McCain later right?
  So this is seeming more and more like it's a personal vendetta to knock Hillary out and then go into the GE knowing damn well that he'll probably loose anyway?
  I smell a rat...somethin's not right at all...
by artsyker 2008-03-12 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: this is Obama's "New Politics"

There's nothing wrong with being against an establishment, corporatist, DLC, triangulating, divisive candidate.

I AM against her.  But all of my reasons are valid, rational and totally reasonable things to be against.

You can choose not to mind those issues.  Or disagree with them.  And I respect that.

But don't make it seem like anyone who is against Hillary is somehow a Rove operative.

by Trent 2008-03-12 08:57AM | 0 recs
They have been running this democrats

for a day campaign right from the beginning.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:37AM | 0 recs
Really?

Funny... I'm an Obama supporter. I know lots of Obama supporters. Hundreds, at least. I've been to an Obama town hall. Thousands of us there.

I've talked to some of them about why they support Obama.

Not one of them has ever said "she voted for the war". Most of the responses have to do with either policy positions or creating the climate for real change in Washington -- not changing the R on the White House to a D, but blowing up the whole red-state/blue-state, half the country wins and half loses politics of division and at least taking an honest stab at something better.

Yes, the war is important. Yes, Hillary was on the wrong side of it and Obama was on the right side of it. Yes, people know that. But that's a bonus for most people. Most people that I know are much more concerned about the economy and health care and a mess of other issues in the present day, and regardless of how similar or different their policies are, there's a real perception that Obama has a much better chance of actually getting things done, because he's not been a 16-year-participant in the politics of division and hatred, and because he's bringing with him not just some blue-state electoral votes but a very large group of committed grassroots volunteers.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-12 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

Roll a d20, save vs insanity.

by kasjogren 2008-03-12 10:13AM | 0 recs
sugar high? n/t

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Really?

Wow, this place has really gone downhill. There used to be intelligent discourse.  Now we get crap like this.

by Chili Dogg 2008-03-12 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Oh NOEZ!!!!! Obama is trying to get people to register as Democrats.  The horror of it all!!!!

by NJIndependent 2008-03-12 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

These emails only go out to people who sign up on the Obama website as supporters and live in Pennsylvania.

What a silly thing to get worked up about.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-12 08:47AM | 0 recs
I take it that this is a snark diary?

Asking people to register to vote - change their party affiliation - surely Teresa is snarking.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-12 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Thanks for exposing this.  We certainly don't want more new Democrats, right?  Who needs voters!

Honestly.

by Koan 2008-03-12 08:54AM | 0 recs
Obamabots only want new democrats

who vote for Obama.  New Democrats who vote for Clinton must be doing it because Rush said so.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obamabots only want new democrats

"Obamabots only want new democrats who vote for Obama."

Another empirically true statement.  You gotta teach me how to do that.  It's such a refreshing break from the people  around here who just make shit up and ascribe base motives to their opponents.

Ach, what am I even doing responding.  

Tell your campaign bosses that they do better sticking to the issues, not posting crap hit diaries like this one.  No one's convinced who wasn't convinced already: you need to write reasonably, accurately, and in good faith to convince people. (Shouldn't be too hard; there are lots of good reasons to support Clinton over Obama.) This War-Room-style, respond-to-any-charges-by-saying-the-sam e-thing-about-the-other-side, no matter how thin the evidence shit, on the other hand . . . not so much.

Best of luck.

by Koan 2008-03-12 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

lol  op is a retard

by theninjagoddess 2008-03-12 08:57AM | 0 recs
using "retard" as a

pejorative, how very liberal of you...

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:39AM | 0 recs
and two Obama supporters

interestedbystander  
FlashStash

aprove of using "retard" as a pejorative. Nice

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: and two Obama supporters

If the cap fits

by interestedbystander 2008-03-12 12:32PM | 0 recs
that sound you heard

was the point whooshing past your head.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: that sound you heard

Amusing.  Yet somehow cut and paste wisecracks from the author of the most ridiculous diary in the history of blogging leave me strangely unmoved.

by interestedbystander 2008-03-12 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

How dare Obama try to switch people from being a republican to being a democrat! The shame!

by mecarr 2008-03-12 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

The shame is that people like you either believe this crap or think you can convince the rest of us that it is true.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

The shame is that you don't. I've seen it personally, at the ground level. We had quite a few Obama campaign workers who still identify as Republican or Independent. They don't like McCain and they do like Obama.

Yes, it's possible that they're double agents, giving their time, money and effort, canvassing and phonebanking for Obama just so they can cruelly turn and vote for McCain in the General. It's possible.

But it sure doesn't look like it.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-12 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: thank you

I remember a similar email put out in Texas by Republicans for Obama.

Does anyone know of letters put out by the Clinton campaign encouraging Repubs to crossover for Dem primaries?

Here's excerpt from the Texas one to refresh everyone's memory.
E-mail to send to Texas Republicans
Sat, 02/16/2008 --
Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!  
On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton's  presidential ambitions once and for all!  Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot.  They should then vote for Barack Obama.  

VOTING DEMOCRATIC THIS ONE TIME WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON YOUR ABILITY TO VOTE REPUBLICAN IN THE NEXT PRIMARY OR OBVIOUSLY ON YOUR VOTE IN NOVEMBER.  SINCE JOHN MCCAIN HAS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION LOCKED UP, VOTING FOR MCCAIN OR HUCKABEE AT THIS POINT WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE OUTCOME ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama.  Please forward this e-mail to all your Texas Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure Clinton's defeat on March 4th!!!

[found on the RFO website.  (republicansforobama.com)]  

by moevaughn 2008-03-12 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: thank you

This is somewhat different than what is being described above.  Changing party resgistration is more difficult (not by much) than just showing up to vote.  You'd have to take the time to change back afterwards.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-12 09:06AM | 0 recs
Now that is an attempt

to game the system.  Those are republicans trying to muck up our primary just like Rush Limbaugh is trying to the other way.

Hopefully, the two slimy republicans groups cancel each other out and we can get back to electing our nominee.

by GFORD 2008-03-12 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Now that is an attempt


yep.

and after this election, I hope there is a movement to do away with Open (Season) Primaries.
I'm going to be pushing for that here in New Hampshire.

by moevaughn 2008-03-12 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Now that is an attempt

I'm with you on that one.  If a voter isn't willing to support the party, then they shouldn't have a say in the party's nominee.

by GFORD 2008-03-12 05:52PM | 0 recs
No, I have no knowledge of any flier or

email sent out by Clinton to get republicans to game the system.  Gaming the system is an Obama thing.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: No, I have no knowledge of any flier or

How is reminding you of the registration deadline or that you need to make sure you are a registered dem to vote gaming the system?

You obviously gave the campaign your email address and that is why you were contacted.

I mean, geez, get your climbing gear together, we have a molehill to conquer.

by kasjogren 2008-03-12 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: No, I have no knowledge of any flier or

There is no email or other outreach to Republicans by the Clinton team. They are reaching out to Independents. Otherwise I wouldn't help her.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: No, I have no knowledge of any flier or

Would you mind telling other Clinton supporters that?  You know, the ones who say they'll vote for McCain over Obama?

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-12 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: No, I won't vote

for McCain, but would write her name in in good conscience because I can not in good conscience vote for Obama.

namaste

by artsyker 2008-03-12 06:53PM | 0 recs
When did MyDD become The Onion?

by interestedbystander 2008-03-12 09:08AM | 0 recs
Oh, the horror Obama is asking
Republicans to become, what?, Democrats... How can the democratic party stand for this. Your a fool
by CardBoard 2008-03-12 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

sorry folks, my computer just got hung up and I could not comment.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

This strategy will hurt Democrat chance of winning in GE.  

by JoeySky18 2008-03-12 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Yeah I know, trying to get people to become democrats and vote democratic will surely lose us elections for the next 100 years too.

Are you living in bizzaro world?

by kasjogren 2008-03-12 10:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Oh. My. GOD!

He actually wants people to vote for him!

And register as Democrats.

Oh the horror!

If this isn't stopped... why... why... these people might actually put pressure on Washington to get things done!

Voting BAD. Signing up voters BAD. Appealing to anyone who's not a lifelong committed Democrat very very BAD.

Bad Obama. Bad, bad, bad. Asking people to vote for you. The shame of it all! Hillary Clinton would NEVER ask anyone to register to vote or to vote for her.

</massive snark>

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-12 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

No offense, but this diary is really misguided.  The message is asking people to register and reminding people of the registration deadline.  Every campaign has registration drives - go check out any college campus around election time.  As for asking that people switch their party affiliation, what exactly is the problem?  Are you saying that the Democratic Party is completely closed off to new members?  Do people now have to be born into it?  My God, this is so nonsensical.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

This diary should be deleted. Obama encouraging people to register as Democrats isn't gaming the system. He doesn't exhort people to vote for him to "stop hillary" or such. He says: if you want your vote to count, you have to be a Dem. Expect this message to get a lot of air in the next 12 days. A LOT.

The one benefiting from the gaming of the system is Hillary, as exit polls in Missouri show. A full fourth of her votes came from Republicans obeying Rush Limbaugh.

by mattw 2008-03-12 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Mississippi, but yes.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

I was going to post about how foolish this diary was, but it looks like a whole bunch of people got there before me to deliver the smackdown.

Wow, Obama is asking people to register as Democrats.  The horror!

by chinapaulo 2008-03-12 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

So encouraging people to register as Democrats is now "gaming the system"?

Wow. And here I thought we were TRYING to accomplish this.

by not Brit 2008-03-12 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

They need to create some pre-packaged excuse in the event that Clinton loses a closed primary, thereby puncturing yet another of the myths they've built up for themselves.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Is this diary a joke?

by shalca 2008-03-12 10:28AM | 0 recs
no

I am dead serious.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 10:54AM | 0 recs
Do you really not want new Democrats?

I have no idea if you want to have the Democratic party shrink as people die off but if you don't, you have to get new voters to register as a Democrat. To do that, you either get people that have never registered to vote to do so or you get people that haven't selected a party affiliation (or even, God forbid were registered as a Republican) to change. Those are your only two options.

There are a lot of people in PA that don't realize that you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in the primary. And I bet most of them don't know you have to be registered as a Democrat 30 days before the election. It's a real hassle to do so. (Even if you do it online, you have to send the paperwork with a signature into the local election board.) This isn't something most people will be doing and then going back to where they were. (You have to repeat the process all over again.)

We want more Democrats!

by kjblair2 2008-03-12 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

struck a nerve here didnt ya?

of course they know they cant possibly win with democrats alone, they havent yet...

so as they have from the start, they HAVE TO SCREW WITH OUR PARTY's SYSTEM.

Bringing in "Dems for a day" or they have no chance to win at all.

ITS A  DISGRACE AND IS WHY OBAMA WILL NEVER BE OUR PARTY'S NOMINEE.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

No one can win the General with Democrats alone (nor can the Republicans win with Republicans alone).

The country splits roughly 1/3 Republican, 1/3 Independent, 1/3 Democrat. There are not enough hardcore Republican or Democratic states to constitute an Electoral College majority. There are not enough Republicans or Democrats to win any of the swing states. That's the entire point of swing states.

If you want to have a chance in the General Election you must run a candidate that appeals to Independents and, if possible, crossovers from the other party. Otherwise you will lose. Reagan didn't win 49-1 over Mondale because the country was heavily Republican, he won because he got most of the Independents and a chunk of Democrats. Bill Clinton didn't win either election on the backs of Democrats; he won with Independents. Al Gore and John Kerry didn't lose the hardcore Democratic constituency, they lost because they couldn't attract enough Independents (and, in Gore's case, because one Democratic country official in Florida designed a truly boneheaded ballot, and because he couldn't carry his home state, and following those chances to win).

This is why the Democratic party has open primaries and caucuses -- because we need Independents and crossover Republicans involved. Otherwise we'll nominate wonderful core-Democratic candidates who will go out there and lose.

Involving people outside the party base is a good thing.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-12 10:42AM | 0 recs
yup
Clinton is and always has been the favorite of democrats.  Obama is and always has been the candidate for republicans who want to vote McCain in the fall.
Those MS voters for Clinton are responding to her populist message and I am glad she is putting it forth more strongly and attracting new voters who will really stick with us.
You don't get good loyal voters by encouraging them to be democrats for a day.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 10:57AM | 0 recs
Same spam reply

as Thomas Jefferson (heh) upthread.  Did you copy-and-paste or are you sockpuppeting?

And may I suggest writing a better comment next time you want to spam it.  With or without ALL CAPS.

by corph 2008-03-12 11:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Same spam reply

oh puleeze let me learn from you, oh smug dim one...

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 02:01PM | 0 recs
On many sites

people get banned for plagiarizing or sockpuppeting.  Dunno about MyDD.  Most of them aren't stupid enough to post the same comment under two different names in the same thread, though.

by corph 2008-03-13 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Teresa, you miss one point, if the GOPers vote for Obama, then it is a vote for Obama, if they vote for Clinton, it's a vote against the democratic party.

by devil 2008-03-12 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

that is what the Obama supporters keep telling me.  They know because they read it in the eightball.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 10:58AM | 0 recs
complete BS.

So according to you a Republican can never re-register to be a Democrat?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:53AM | 0 recs
what don't you get?

According to Obama supporters if a republican votes for Hillary it is a national crisis for the democratic party.  So why is Obama inviting republicans to be democrats for a day?  Why is it okay for Obama?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: what don't you get?

Uh, no.  It's not a national crisis.  Clinton supporters such as yourself were pretending it was a national crisis whenever Obama received support from independents or Republicans.  We're just highlighting your hypocrisy now that Clinton has received the Rush treatment.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 02:05PM | 0 recs
you wanna tell me this email is a

"republican for a day" type?

That "Republican for a day" was an idea of one precinct captain that got nixed by Obama campaign teh second they found out. So please keep your red herring in your pickle jar.

This email does oen thing and oen thing only:

Remind Obama supporters to register if they need to.

Have you see response to your diary?

It really just you who see this as some evil plot.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:39PM | 0 recs
Crybabies

You all DESERVE the delegate count whipping your getting.

by zonk 2008-03-12 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Crybabies

lol, yeah... meet me in PA on primary day.  I expect to be at the Radisson celebrating the delegate and popular vote whooping Obama will get that day and in the future.  

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 11:10AM | 0 recs
even after PA

Obama will have delegate and probably popular vote count.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:54AM | 0 recs
Currently Obama's popular

vote stands above Clinton by anywhere from ~700,000 to a 1,000,000 (depending on how you count)

You really think 700,000 voter swing in PA is possible?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Crybabies

Heh...

Too bad this primary cycle is ummmm... cumulative, not 'tournament style'.

All the other states - even the one Mark Penn likes to pretend DON'T count - still count.

by zonk 2008-03-12 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Crybabies

Theresa, I DO hope you enjoy the win in PA.  She deserves a little celebration  - 30/13 state disadvantage, down 700k votes and 135 pledged delegates can be trying any campaign.  I do hope you reconsider your Clinton support once Obama beats her by 10+ in NC two weeks later ....

by stryan 2008-03-12 12:38PM | 0 recs
Clinton will be the nominee

Obama's caucus wins are next to meaningless. And no I will not vote for him.  I don't don't vote for racists.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton will be the nominee

Funny - the caucus system was fine and dandy when Hillary was the presumptive nominee, now it is undemocratic.  Just like MI/FL should be seated though they broke the rules 48 other states - and most campaigns- followed.  
Why I have such a low tolerance for Clinton supporters, Teresa - facts are facts, and just like Bill in 92-00, rules work  only when they benefit the Clintons.  
I hope your racist bomb is heat of the moment rhetoric.  I hope you would agree nothing in his past represents racism.  He has tried to transcend race, but when Sheehan brings up drug dealing, or her IA caucus team sends out MOOS-LIM blasts to the ignorant masses, HE IS ACCUSED OF RACISM?!?   Some chutzpah.
Triangulate or bust, per Mssrs. Clinton.  I wont buy.  
by stryan 2008-03-12 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton will be the nominee

Let's try to understand your logic here.

1) The Obama campaign is trying to game the system by encouraging independents and republicans to register as democrats and vote for obama, and reminding them that they can switch back at a later date.

3) This is gaming the system, because some of these voters will vote for obama in the primary, but not in the general.

3) And yet, if Obama wins the nomination you won't vote for him in the general.

So my question is, by your logic, how does your voting in the primary not constitute gaming the system?

by FishinginCrisis 2008-03-12 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton will be the nominee

Yeah next to meaningless.

Apparently you aren't old enough to remember how Bill Clinton won the nomination in 1992 (hint - without caucuses, he doesn't).

Fortunately for Obama, your judgement of the worth of caucuses doesn't mean shit.

The DNC's judgement on their worth, however, DOES mean something.

So far as I know - the DNC rules still call for caucus chosen delegates to be seated.

by zonk 2008-03-12 03:16PM | 0 recs
This is an OUTRAGE

The LAST thing we want to do is get people to register with the democratic party.

by grover738 2008-03-12 11:03AM | 0 recs
So what happens if you get 5 other people?

Does the Obama campaign give you some sort of prize, like a free blade of grass walked on by "The One," himself?

I'd better stop myself...could easily make crude jokes here.

Thanks Teresa for getting the word out on this latest FACTUAL bit of garbage.

John

by SluggoJD 2008-03-12 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: So what happens if you get 5 other people?

Why is this garbage? A prominent Democrat is running for president and, in the process, is attempting to register more people as Democrats. Awesome. They both should be constantly trying to register as many new voters as possible. Just like every Democrat should be doing in EVERY election.

by LandStander 2008-03-12 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

OH MY GOD!

He's trying to register more people as Democrats!

Seriously, I've had about enough of you people who clearly have no clue what it means to be at a severe disadvantage of registered Democrats.

No person is going to register as a Democrat to vote for Barack Obama unless they really believe in him.

And, oh, by the way, the Republicans who are trying to game the system? They're voting for Hillary.

by Dave Sund 2008-03-12 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Agreed, so goofy.  As Democrats, dont we want to open our arms to any/all comers?  This has nothing to do with 'gaming' the system, but bringing more folks to the table, enlarging his pool of potential voters.   Hillary should win PA by 15, the only way he gets within single digits is more voters who haven't voted before.  

by stryan 2008-03-12 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

If reminding people to make sure they are registered, and encouraging non-registered and non-democrats to register and support the party is gaming the system...Game on!

What a joke this is, the audacity of trying to increase the number of registered democrats in PA! How DARE he?!?

by Demeric 2008-03-12 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system
Oh...yes...he is a gamer...words and games. I'll take substance and grit and experience any day!!!
Hillary's that change we really need.
by susanclare 2008-03-12 12:51PM | 0 recs
ANOTHER

example of the Obama campaigns stratgy of being a "Democrat for a day".

But some here don't believe that ever happened. Google it.

by kevin22262 2008-03-12 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: ANOTHER

Even if we conceded that very tenuous point based on  low-level campaign staffers and volunteers... (So, you're saying that it's Hillary's strategy to deliberately spread Muslim smears about Obama, since a couple of campaign staffers in Iowa were caught spreading that lie?)

This diary has absolutely no evidence of such a strategy.

In fact, I would be shocked if Hillary was not telling her supporters to make sure that they were registered as Democrats in order to vote in the primary.

You are grasping at straws.

by Dave Sund 2008-03-12 01:00PM | 0 recs
HUH?

First off, how is this and all the racist BS related?

Second, get off of the racist and sexist BS once and for all.

Third. Just go and Google "Democrat for a day" or "be a Democrat for a day" and see what you get.

OK?

by kevin22262 2008-03-12 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: HUH?

How do you expect to grow the Democratic Party? You have to register people that either haven't registered to vote or aren't registered as Democrats. The just don't magically appear! And if you don't register new Democrats, the party will ultimately whither and die.

There's nothing in the email that says to register as a Democrat and then switch back. In a primary campaign, it's to the campaign's benefit that you identify those voters that are most likely to vote for you in the primary and get them so they can vote. (Same thing in the GE, there will be activites by both candidates and parties to get new voters registered. Will you frown upon that as well, because some of those voters may not be registered Democrats?)

At first it was caucus states that don't count. Then it was states that had open primaries. Then it was states that had same day registration. Now it's states that require you to be registered 30 days in advance. At this rate, none of the states will count, even the ones Clinton won.

In your world, how do you propose to identify those "true" Democrats that are allowed to vote ?

by kjblair2 2008-03-12 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: HUH?

that poster already knows you are right.  Look at the thread, it is full of Obama staffers with their blackberry's all making the same response.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: HUH?

They're all making the same response because you're factually wrong.  Honestly, make a hit diary with an ounce of common sense next time.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: HUH?

Accusing people of being paid shills is something that most people refrain from doing on blogs. Why do they refrain from doing this? Because they have no evidence.

by LandStander 2008-03-12 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: HUH?

lol!  Obama staffers?

Don't flatter yourself.

by chinapaulo 2008-03-12 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: HUH?

Democrat for a Day was a great idea. I have a very good friend in Nevada who wanted to caucus for Obama. However, he was registered as Decline to State (or Nevada's equivalent). He generally dislikes the two-party system, which is why he had never registered Democrat, but he does like Obama. I told him he could change his registration at the caucus site, caucus for Obama, and then re-register whenever he had the chance. Sounds like a good solution that allows him to support the candidate he hopes to vote for in November. And, as a bonus, there is always a chance he won't re-register. Sounds like a good first step to becoming a Democrat.

Now please, explain to me why there is anything wrong with this.

by LandStander 2008-03-12 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Yes. How absolutely AWFUL it is to actually build and grow the Democratic Party. We should ALL be like Hillary Clinton and instead seek to disenfranchise and disregard more than half of the Democratic Party and the 45 or so states that now apparently "don't count".

This isn't "gaming the system". This is growing the party. Honestly, this is idiotic.

by Elise 2008-03-12 01:07PM | 0 recs
RE: out of state students...

I hardly think I need to remind ANYONE that during 2004 John Kerry and the Democratic Party were encouraging students in PA and other swing states to register there - since they LIVE there and are residents of the state more than half of the year.

When we're voting in NOV. I'll fully expect you to be out there yelling that Democratic voters who are students should vote in their non-swing state location instead. Right?

Idiocy...seriously.

by Elise 2008-03-12 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Tired of David Axelrod's scuzzball tactics.  Sad that his client can't seem to win unless it's a caucus that they "game" or trying to get people to vote for Obama then switch back, just to punish Hillary.  The good news is that he's losing ground on this, and people are tiring of it.  

Oh and in advance of all his supporters denying that he's "gaming the system", there are documented comments all over the internet, by his supporters, saying: "Obama is legally gaming the system, so what?"   The thing that they fail to see is what good is it? You're all being played by David Axelrod. He gets a big fat bonus if Obama wins the nod. Now, I do understand that he wont' get Karl Rove's old office if Obama doesn't win, but he'll get plenty if Obama just gets into the GE.  So, instead of playing up Obama's strengths, Axelrod is playing games with registration, strong-arm tactics, media pity parties, and tainted caucuses.  

I mean how preposterous is it to see the MSM writing headline after headline about Obama's BIG Wyoming victory.. when you realize that only 9,000 people voted, and he only got 5,000 of those. Obama can't win the big states without "gaming the system", and even then he can't win the big states when they have normal, untampered, voting.

by Catriley sez 2008-03-12 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Obama leads Hilary in primary states won (not including caucus states).  He also leads her in popular vote even without caucuses as well as delegate count even without caucus votes.  Your statement is just not valid.

My 3 year old son tries to change the rules to Chutes and Ladders as soon as he starts to lose.  Funny, he knows the rules before we start and yet he doesn't raise any objection until he starts to lose.  Fascinating, really.

by lockewasright 2008-03-12 01:53PM | 0 recs
Here is a question

why can not Hilary win the damn caucus. Hell she claims she wins a primaries. Why can not she get couple more thousands to come out.

I have yet to get an answer on this from an HRC supporter.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-12 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system
Oh and in advance of all his supporters denying that he's "gaming the system", there are documented comments all over the internet, by his supporters, saying: "Obama is legally gaming the system, so what?"

All over the internet? Which one? I frequent the internet and have never seen any such claim by a Obama supporter.
by LandStander 2008-03-12 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

I followed Obama's advise. I actually call to 3 friends in PA, all independents and convince them to register, including their spouses, kids, in-laws and some other relatives (total new 22 voters for Democratic party, they probably will unregister after primaries back to independence). This was HARD part.
Almost forgot to mentioned EASY part (I even did not ask them, they said themselves they all 22 will do that): ALL 22 WILL VOTE FOR HILLARY.

I think Hillary can do better than 66% in PA, but it will be a hard work.

by engels 2008-03-12 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

What's so wrong about a cross over voter who wants Obama to be the next president switching parties?!  Maybe some Reagan democrats are coming back to the party.  This article is silly and shrill, not to mention it is analysis that is without a foundation in reality.

by lockewasright 2008-03-12 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

I just don't get why growing the party is so unacceptable.  New Democratic registrations are good for the party and the progressive cause, regardless of who they vote for in the primary.

by dmfox 2008-03-12 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

How is this gaming the system?  It is a campaign trying to get its supporters eligibile to vote while also building up the Dem. Party rolls.  And it is a good thing.

For instance, my wife was until last week a registered independent/unaffiliated in Pa-14.  We both share similiar liberal political views, but I am a registered Democrat so I was eligible to vote in April.  She has been very excited to vote for Hillary Clinton and once she was told that she needs to be a registered Democrat, she changed her affiliation.  So she'll cancel my vote for Obama in a district where he needs to win big to get a 5:2 split.  

And in the future, my liberal wife will be voting in Democratic primaries for local and state-wide races, and most likely getting more involved too.  This is a good thing for both campaigns to be running.

by fester 2008-03-12 02:02PM | 0 recs
Whose system?

I love how it "OUR sysytem" that Obama is gaming like Obama isnt part of---Oh wait what isnt Obama a member of?

This is a paltry ugly diary.

Obama is castigated for encouraging voters to register to vote, and HRC is a 'fighter' because she wont give up trying to, and harming the party with, seat pseudo-dlegates from Michigan, where she repeatedly defied the parties demand that she remove her name from the unsanctioned pretend primary. Wow what a fighter, back-alley, low blow behind the back, and defeated, but a fighter.

Ferraro's crypto-racism was the point at which I stopped caring enough to be polite about this candidate anymore.

by inexile 2008-03-12 02:02PM | 0 recs
I thank the diarist for posting the mailer

There is nothing whatsoever underhanded in this mailer.
This is not asking people who are Republicans to
falsely claim to be Democrats for a day.
This is asking people who support Obama to
get their house in order so they can participate
honestly and constructively .

The "Democrat for a day" tactics were the opposite of that --
inviting people who hated Hillary to vote for
her, and then go back to being Republicans.
That is not what is happening here.

The fact that the diarist thinks they can be equated,
and people will fall for it, proves that the diarist
has chosen the precisely correct candidate in Hillary.

by IvoteMay6th 2008-03-12 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I thank the diarist for posting the mailer

Yes, reading is fundamental.

by rfahey22 2008-03-12 02:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

Nowhere in that letter is there anything untoward. Nowhere in that letter is there anything untrue.

I can't believe how upset people are that Obama is playing to win? We have lost so many elections with candidates who were unwilling to do that. Yet now, here we are, slamming a candidate for gasp trying to turn how his supporters in a very competitive primary season.

This is getting ridiculous.

by JDF 2008-03-12 02:28PM | 0 recs
Exit polls are not &quot;Obama's camp&quot;

by faithfull 2008-03-12 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

This is ridiculous. On the main page there's an article saying how great it is that the number of registered Democrats is increasing. But according to this diary, at the same time we're supposed to be upset because Obama is distributing information on how to register as a Democrat in Pennsylvania?

Please, find something worthy of being upset over before you post a diary filled with such misdirected righteous indignation. And try backing up your opinion with something other than your personal bias.

by upstate girl 2008-03-12 02:38PM | 0 recs
This is insane.

This is insane. Obama is trying to get MORE people to register as Democrats and you are criticizing him for this? ALL Democrats should be constantly trying to convince more people to join the party. This is not some exclusive club. I was registered as an independent prior to 2004. Should I have been excluded from voting for John Kerry because I failed to change my registration a year in advance? Exactly how far in advance does one need to change their registration to be able to vote for a Democrat without you accusing them of "gaming" the system?

by LandStander 2008-03-12 03:39PM | 0 recs
The Pennsylvania System works

I am an Independent PA voter (actually the official PA term is 'non-affiliated).

The Pennsylvania system is not perfect but the fact is it is designed to allow just this sort of reaffiliation 30 days out.  THAT'S HOW ITS SUPPOSE TO WORK.

It allows engaged voters to make the considered decision to reaffiliate , but prevents the election day hooliganism we've been seeing in the open primaries.

On Monday i sent in my reaffiliation form to my County election board.  I'm temporarily switching to the Democratic party in order to vote for Obama in the primary.

After I cast my vote for Obama on April 24, on my way out of the polling place, I will ask one of the poll workers for a voter registration form so that I can THE NEXT DAY re-establish my affiliation as 'Non-Affilited'.  They'll have these forms on hand FOR JUST THIS PURPOSE because it is THE WAY THE PA SYSTEM WORKS.  Welcome to Pennsylvania, where they WANT YOU TO VOTE.

In November, even though I'm not in your sill donkey club, I will vote for Obama again if he is the Dem nominee.  Beyond that i cannot say.

by cargocult 2008-03-12 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

I just clicked this thread for the first time, so I apologize if this has been said a hundred times, but...

Exactly how is this a bad thing?  We... register more democrats?  This is bad??

And make no mistake... Clinton is doing the same thing... Both want to register new voters for their cause, as they should.

by leshrac55 2008-03-12 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is now gaming our system

The only way Obama can win anything is by fraudulent ways. No wonder he wants to disenfranshise voters in Mi and Fl.

by RC01 2008-03-12 06:54PM | 0 recs
Word!

There are enough people registered to vote already, Obama should not shamefully game the system by encouraging more people to register to vote (as Democrats no less!).

There are too many registered Democrats already, anything other than encouraging people who have been registered Democrats since at least 1968 to vote is just plain cheating! The next thing you know this Obama fellow will come out against the poll tax!

I am so glad there are scrupulous politicians like the Clintons out there who would never do anything so shameful and disrespectful as to say, appear on Rush Limbaugh's radio program on the day of the TX primary in order to encourage Republicans to vote in a Democratic primary.

by rebop 2008-03-13 12:33PM | 0 recs

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