Obama sucking up to Fox

He is saying we should not regulate pollution, but give business the chance to do it themselves.  He is talking about merit pay for teachers.
OOPS, he just brought up dkos and how he was attacked there in .....2005?  

Any one watching?  What do you think of what he is saying?

ummm.. he is defending his vote on partial birth abortion on the grounds that the states should control partial birth abortion.  Is that what I heard?  Now are they not going to look at the fact that his votes as a state senator and legitimately question all the Present votes?

Update [2008-4-27 10:17:8 by TeresaInPa]: I have to go. I have a concert in NJ this afternoon. Have a nice day and I hope you will all watch the Fox interview in your area. It was pretty content free as far as policy. What I caught was designed to suck up to conservatives... hitting the typical boogymen of merit pay and business regulation. My analysis is that he has no idea why he is losing the white working class democrats and what to do about it.

Tags: Barack Obama, campaign 2008 (all tags)



Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

If you could post a link to a transcript, then we can check if your characterizations are correct.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 05:33AM | 0 recs
Go listen - isn't that what you always

tell everyone?

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-27 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Go listen - isn't that what you always

I have terrible tv reception.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 07:00AM | 0 recs
OH! Now I know why you're for Obama.

You've never been able to clearly hear what he's been talking about!

That explains everything!

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-27 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: OH! Now I know why you're for Obama.

TV is a pretty crappy source for news. I can watch debates on-line and read papers from across the globe.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 07:28AM | 0 recs
context lol

Politicmatter is gonna whine about context...of course, context to him means that unless we can see inside Obama's skull at what he was thinking we can't judge his words.

it's a nifty little trick, I'll give them that.

by switching sides 2008-04-27 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Why must you attack a fellow Democrat with such intensity?  

by Bobby Obama 2008-04-27 05:35AM | 0 recs
his is sucking up

to Fox news.  I don't like it, but it is reality.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up

Terry MacAuliffe and Ed Rendell's favorite channel?

by Mostly 2008-04-27 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up

silly comment

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up

Silly diary.

by Mostly 2008-04-27 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up


Ed Rendell said Fox News was the most fair and balanced. How many Clinton supporters here have said the same thing?

Teresa, this is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but it is. Your prejudice is obvious- Clinton okay, Obama not, not matter what the issue. Why would this entice me to want to support your candidate?

by ragekage 2008-04-27 06:59AM | 0 recs
Almost as bad as going on Limbaugh...

by heresjohnny 2008-04-27 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Almost as bad as going on Limbaugh...

From what I understand, Clinton gave an interview to someone else on that other person's show. The interview was then replayed when that other person filled in for Limbaugh one day.

So he didn't go on Limbaugh. Please.

by OrangeFur 2008-04-27 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Almost as bad as going on Limbaugh...

The interview was supposed to be played on Limbaugh though right? Limbaugh didn't steal the tape...

by heresjohnny 2008-04-27 07:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Almost as bad as going on Limbaugh...

No, it was on the other guy's radio show. The other guy later had to fill in for Limbaugh and played it again, as far as I know.

by OrangeFur 2008-04-27 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up

Yet Terry MacAuliffe is on a Fox promo and Hillary is meeting with Richard Scaife.

You're a hypocrite.

by chewie5656 2008-04-27 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up

Didn't this diarist praise Scaife's endorsement by Scaife?

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 06:31AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up


by Mostly 2008-04-27 06:31AM | 0 recs
Re: his is sucking up

And I assume one of the Scaifes in there is supposed to be Clinton.

by Mostly 2008-04-27 06:32AM | 0 recs
see if you can get this

she won Scaifes "endorsement" by being a democrat.  She did not go and suck up to them with right wing ideas.  She impressed them even though the disagreed with her.

Obama has no freaking clue what that means.  He needs to study the career of Paul Wellstone rather than Joe Lieberman.  Wellstone got the support and admiration of the right in MN because they believed her was authentic and they could believe he meant what he said.  ..... Obama, in his idiotic praise of Reagan as a "transformational" president totally missed the point that Reagan did not do what he did by kissing up to the left the way Obama has been kissing up to the right, but by following traditional republican thinking and selling it to America.
Obama has no clue.... about anything.  He is an incompetent democrat.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:09PM | 0 recs
honey honey honey

I said he was sucking up, not that he went on Fox.  I don't have a problem with any of the candidates going on FOX.  I do have a problem with them SUCKING UP TO FOX AND CONSERVATIVES WITH RIGHT WING IDEAS/

Get the difference?

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox
sorry for the title, but promoting merit pay and attacking teachers unions is the PERFECT suck up to Fox news and that is what he was saying when I tuned  in.
Merit pay is a horrible idea.  The problem with education is not teachers, it is society. It is only schools in poor communities that are failing and that is because of societal ills not unprepared teachers.  
What schools need is more money, it is hard to teach children in a building that is falling down around your head literally.  It is also hard to teach children who have grinding poverty and horrible neighborhoods and family problems to deal with.
Poor rural schools are not any better than poor city schools.  
by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

So what educational policies do you think should be pursued?  

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 05:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

How about this for starters:

Teacher testing only for new teachers
No vouchers for public schools
Start teacher corps to recruit young
More federal funding of teacher scholarships
Modernize schools with construction bonds

These are from Clinton's views on education.  What are your views on those policies?

by wasanyonehurt 2008-04-27 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox
Those sound good and they're quite similar to Obama's proposals:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/educat ion/
by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 05:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Merit pay for teachers is a right-wing policy. Giving corporations the right to determine pollution levels is a right-wing policy.

What is wrong with him being on Fox News? Nothing. Except that he's pandering to right-wing policies, just as he did when he touted Reagan as "transformative," just as he did when he said Republicans were the "Party of ideas." Just as he was when he said Social Security is in "crisis."

Barack Obama isn't a progressive candidate at all. His primary advisors are neo-liberals, free-market, privatization advocates, who advocate privatizing Social Security.

Clinton may meet with Scaife. But she isn't advocating free-market, privatization policies; she isn't touting Reagan as "transformative" and she isn't saying Republicans were the "party of ideas."

Honestly, is there a requirement for Obama supporters to check their brains at the door to the rallies or something? It sure looks like it.

by Tennessean 2008-04-27 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

What does BO know about public schools.  I mean he has gone to private school almost his whole life.  He doesnt know anything about what is it like to have to go to public schools.


by giusd 2008-04-27 06:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Yeah, no kidding. Let's ask Clinton instead, she had a rough and tumble childhood. Why, I heard when she was growing up, she worked in a coal mine outside of Scranton for sixteen hours a day just to put food on the table for her family, and didn't sleep in the intervening hours, but went to public school, where she was hall monitor!

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Well i think Bill Clinton may know something about public school.  You remember him the only dem president in the last 25 years who is constantly being smeared by BO and his campaign and his supporters.


by giusd 2008-04-27 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

I don't think Bill is the candidate.

by mady 2008-04-27 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

And HRC has not proposed merit pay for public schools BO has.  So his total lack of experience about public schools and his long record of going to private schools is an issue.  


by giusd 2008-04-27 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Besides, it's not "merit" pay as you mean it there; so you only come off this looking like you don't know what you're talking about, sir, which is evident.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:27AM | 0 recs

by Roberta 2008-04-27 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

As a longtime teacher, forty years to be precise, I can tell you right now..."merit pay" is NOT the answer.

Who determines "merit"?  A principal? A parent?  Students? Scores?  
Research shows over and over "high stakes testing" results in cheating.  What could be more high stakes than your pay.  As well, as a teacher, if I come up with something that really helps poor readers, should I horde the idea in order to benefit myself, or share it with my team, my school, all teachers?
When it is for the common good, for profit SHOULD NOT be a part of the picture.  Obama and his followers should know better.

Commitment pay is one way.  Research has shown that personal relationships in educating a community matter.  My anecdotal experiences agree.  In poor community, teachers must build up a trust with students and parents and that takes time and commitment.  Because of testing and NCLB and the threats to close schools and fire teachers at schools in poor communities, the turnover of teachers is awful.  
So offer commitment pay.  Commit to five years at a low performing school for and when satisfactorily completed then there is extra pay.
Make it a good bonus and thus teachers will compete to get assigned there.

I have yet to see the Obama interview on Fox.  If he continues to promote merit pay and dis teachers' unions, it is a problem.  I have from the beginning supported both Edwards and  Clinton over him because of his lack of strong support for public education and teachers.

by Jjc2008 2008-04-27 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Well, as I said, it all depends on how it's done. But just because it can be done badly doesn't mean it can't be done well.  

And there are plenty of teachers who would like an opportunity to make more money, considering the low pay in the profession and the difficulty  of attracting young people who have many options, most of which pay quite a lot more.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

"It depends on how it's done?"

Well, here's how it's done: Merit pay pits one teacher against another in a "competitive" environment. Here's what happens. Teachers begin to compete for the top students, the brightest, highest income family students. The students from low-income, low-functioning, low literacy level families get dumped off into classrooms and schools where the teachers are not quite as "competitive." Those teachers, classrooms, schools and students all slide downhill in a spiral of failure because other, more competitive students, classrooms, schools and teachers beat them out for MONEY.

It's a sly way to engage in the PRIVATIZATION of our system of public education, get it?

There isn't a good way to force a public education system to compete against itself--that's why "no child left behind" doesn't work and is dumbing down to the test. Teachers, classrooms, schools, and students are being forced to COMPETE against each other for MONEY.

It's a shameful, corrupt, and completely self-destructive agenda, and it's a RIGHT-WING agenda.

So, now, you tell me. What's the "right way" to enforce a RIGHT WING AGENDA?

by Tennessean 2008-04-27 06:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

You obviously didn't watch the interview.  Obama said he was against pay based on a test.  He advocated "paying for excellence" by rewarding teachers who go to conferences, engage in professionalization, and exhibit a desire to become better teachers.  No tests needed.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-27 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

How about invading Iraq? Or hawkishly speaking of invading other countries? Oh, but when it's Clinton engaging in RIGHT WING AGENDAS (scary!), it's okay, huh?

There's merits and detriments to any policy. I understand you being personally involved and feeling strongly about it, but then just explain it and suggest alternatives, instead of also engaging in this demagoguery, which is really just ridiculous. I can say RIGHT WING AGENDA all day in scary caps, it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

I think merit pay can work- structured correctly. I think it'd be a great way to reward good teachers. You need to take a more reasoned look at this, though, because my first impulse would have been "Aha, he doesn't want to actually have to work or be judged on merit." Only by reading your previous posts, and knowing better from some engagement on these issues previously (I once ran for school board), so I understand your reasoning has merit- but few people here benefit from that experience.

Besides, you took a snippet from a policy discussion on FOX News. Go look up the actual policy he's referring to on his website, it's a big more fleshed out than that.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:08AM | 0 recs
great comment

I agree.  My family is full of teachers and I would hate to see what would happen if merit pay was part of the system.  They are all great teachers, but admin tends to be more conservative and the whole thing would end up being political with teachers who did not tow the party line (either way) ending up punished.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Well, "merit pay" at least how it's currently understood is a horrible idea.

That being said, did you really think Randi Weingarten was going to endorse anyone besides Hillary Clinton?  She had that endorsement before any candidate had announced any programs at all.

by Mostly 2008-04-27 06:15AM | 0 recs
I disagree

Call it "merit pay" if you want, but that's not what he called it.  He said we need to "pay more for excellence."  He does not believe teacher pay should be completely tied to tenure (which it is right now).  He also said that it should not be tied to one standardized test.  He said teachers who are on a path to becoming better teachers, going to conferences, becoming professionalized should be paid more than teachers that don't.  I totally support the idea.  As someone working toward my Ph.D., I know many professors who work their asses off til they get tenure and then stop carrying about anything except collecting their paycheck and doing their own niche research.  Many professors couldn't care less about the teaching aspect.  I have a problem with that.  I think the most important thing we do is teach, not whether we publish really specific esoteric articles in journals that no one reads.  

I believe public school teachers should be paid according to their ability and passion as a teacher.  Obama said the same thing in the interview.

And I also believe that schools need to stop being funded by local property taxes.  That is the single most problematic issue with education, in my opinion.  Ideally, all the property taxes should go into a statewide pool and every state would get money allocated on a per-student basis.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-27 06:03AM | 0 recs
would vote for Patreus

says some fairly safe things about Iraq and Iran and "pokyston".  

Will set the mission as CIC, etc... nothing controversial there.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: would vote for Patreus

Pokyston? You're criticising his accent now?

by grass 2008-04-27 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: would vote for Patreus

I have to agree with grass on this one.

The proper way to pronounce Pakistan is the way Obama pronounces it.  Ask anyone from that part of the world and they say it the same way.  

by wasanyonehurt 2008-04-27 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: would vote for Patreus

It's the new, bush-era presidential litmus test.  Americans expect you to mispronounce anything longer than 2 syllables.

by catalysis 2008-04-27 08:20AM | 0 recs
it's pretentious

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:18PM | 0 recs
You need to get a grip

by grass 2008-04-28 05:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

My parents were teachers and one was an officer in the teachers' union and they both supported merit pay, as long as one could develop a good system to use.

One of the problems with teaching as a profession is that there aren't many opportunities to gain pay by the dint of one's own efforts.  Once you've earned an advanced degree, you can only get a raise if everyone gets one or if you leave the classroom and go into administration.  This makes it hard to attract and retain talented people in the teaching profession.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 05:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

See my post.  Your parents supported "merit pay"?  I think they supported ways to increase salaries for underpaid teachers.......no union people believe "merit pay" is ever viable.  The term itself is an insult.

by Jjc2008 2008-04-27 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

I love the way you characterize an entire group.

My parents were excellent teachers and they were bugged when they saw colleagues who were lazy and lousy teachers who got the same raises they did.

Every profession has a combination of good and bad performers. To deny that is simply not credible. If one can figure out how to assess teaching in a meaningful way, it's worth doing.  

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 06:00AM | 0 recs
I work in the Government

And we have merit pay.  The way it works is that generally you get it 100 percent of the time unless you have received negatives either on your Individual Development Plan (administered annually) or are in the middle of corrective/adverse action and even then, one's supervisor must deny it specifically.

It is just a tool to keep from giving very marginal employees a raise.  After 22 years in government, I like it.

by Sychotic1 2008-04-27 06:25AM | 0 recs
Everyone understands

that you hate Obama. We didn't need this content-free three-line diary to remind us, thanks.

by MBNYC 2008-04-27 05:39AM | 0 recs
boo hoo

Now, want to discuss his right wing suck up on ideas like Merit pay for teachers and no regulations for industries that pollute our environment?

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: boo hoo

1) Merit pays sounds like a good idea if it can be set up with effective measures. What's the counter argument?

2) Obama supports a cap and trade system for CO2, hardly no regulations.

by grass 2008-04-27 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: boo hoo

Cap and trade is how it's done in Europe and it seems to be working well.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: boo hoo

Ya gotta get your stories straight, Teresa; either, he's too limpwristed of a wishy-washy liberal, or he's a rightwinger. He can't be both at the same time; at least not over here in the real world where it's not all about finding new and creative ways to hate the guy.

Anyway, you've already said you'd vote for McCain. So what do you care?

by MBNYC 2008-04-27 06:24AM | 0 recs
Re: boo hoo

She said she'd vote for McCain?

Why the hell is she here? She's doing a really good job of convincing Obama supporters to support Clinton; and if she wants an echo chamber, why not saunter over to Hillaryis44.org?

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:10AM | 0 recs
"not ducking debate"

Obama dear, the last debate was the highest rated yet.  The people wanted to see you debate.  The number is not important.  There are still states voting and you ARE ducking debates.

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

Of course the number is important.  21 is more then enough.  The issues have been debated ad naseum.  Let them go and connect with the voters one on one.

by Bobby Obama 2008-04-27 05:48AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

I thought they had only 4 one on one debate. Isnt it?

How many Lincoln-Douglas debates were there? 8?

by Sandeep 2008-04-27 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

Only 4 mano a mano debates.

Barack please leave us with a good debate performance, don't let that abysmal performance stick in our crawl.  I'm sure you will perform better the next time.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-04-27 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

Heh. This just sounds desperate from the Clinton campaign and her supporters, you know. "NYAH NYAH, YOU CAN'T BEAT US IN THE DEBATE!"

Because she's broke, and can't afford any other way to get her face out.

Sorry, but Clinton's got a long history of ducking debates; something Clinton supporters here love to ignore, because otherwise, you wouldn't have an argument to make. Tough. You ain't gettin' any more face time for free, deal with it.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

No desperation whatsoever.  Clinton's campaign coffers are filling up nicely and her message is getting out to the people of NC/IN just fine.  

Lesson of PA is $11 million on TV ads is worthless without the "appeal".  Maybe Obama can spend $22 million for May 6 'cause he'll need to to win IN and keep his lead in NC.

Care to back up your claim on her debates.

  1. Lazio was no closer than 12% to Hillary - Regardless he got his debate and Clinton buried him.
  2. Tasini never polled higher than 13% total support but averaged 5%, Donald Duck would have polled better.
  3. Spencer, again 31% of the total vote - Also he got his two debates and got creamed.

Usually, the front runner wants to a good debate performance under his/her belt before dodging.  Instead Obama wished to dodge after his WORST performance.  Ever the contrarian politician.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-04-27 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

For anyone who watched Clinton in the race with Lazio or her remarks after NH, it's clear that the proposed format is a big set-up -- so that she can make a gendered pitch about how mean the guy was to her.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 05:55AM | 0 recs
She Can Yell "Farakhan" All She Wants

No debate necessary. She'll just look extra crazy.

by bernardpliers 2008-04-27 06:00AM | 0 recs
You have already made up your mind

All a debate would do is give you something else to whinge about and tear down.  Debates are generally for persuading undecided...so I find arguments here among the decided to be...suspect.

by Sychotic1 2008-04-27 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: "not ducking debate"

Most important debate, eh?

Then, no problem. Let's debate. We can ask Hillary why she lied about Tuzla, FMLA, SCHIP, the pregnant lady in Ohio, supporting NAFTA, Bill's escapade with Monica, Watergate, being on Wal-Mart's board of executives, defending a rapist in Arkansas.

All legitimate things the American public is concerned about knowing, right?

At least she wears a flag lapel pin.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:12AM | 0 recs
agains claiming his money is from the
people.  Now everyone will be looking at exactly where his money is coming from.
Will pursue public financing....?
by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: agains claiming his money is from the

People have already looked at where it's come from and it's the largest base of voters ever.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-27 06:33AM | 0 recs
Re: agains claiming his money is from the

Uhh, we already know where his money came from, just like we know where Clinton's came from. FEC.gov has all the information.

Research, Teresa. It's a wonderful thing.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: agains claiming his money is from the

yet we don't know who funded the Clinton library

"I think Barack Obama has a much stronger chance of beating John McCain in the general election. I think Hillary is flawed in many ways, and particularly if you look at her husband's unwillingness to release the names of the people who contributed to his presidential library.
And the reason that is important -- you know, are there favors attached to $500,000 or $1 million contributions? And what do I mean by favors? I mean, pardons that are granted; investigations that are squelched; contracts that are awarded; regulations that are delayed.

These are important questions. The people deserve to know. And we deserve, as Democrats, to know before a nominee is selected, because we don't want things to explode in a general election against John McCain."-- Bill Bradley

by wrb 2008-04-27 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

obama sucks.

by zane 2008-04-27 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

Well THAT really furthers the discussion

by feliks 2008-04-27 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: merit pay for teachers sucks


by jentwisl 2008-04-27 05:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

It's clear.  He hates those dirty hippies at dkos and their financial contributions.

by Caldonia 2008-04-27 05:52AM | 0 recs

Don't worry, they're still showing lots of love for Hillary

by bernardpliers 2008-04-27 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Jealous?

no, I think his sucking up to right wing ideas suck.  I thought that was pretty clear.  Now what do you have to say about merit pay?

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:10AM | 0 recs
Bill Kristol - "I'm On Hillary's Side"

He just said that on Fox. Now there's an endorsement from the heart of the Neocon cabal and one o the main instigators of Iraq.

by bernardpliers 2008-04-27 05:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Kristol

Kristol also said "Hillary is a better candidate but Obama has run a better campaign."  I don't know how those two assessments can be separated, since the primary role of a candidate is to campaign.

Regardless, Kristol also said that Hillary wasn't being given enough credit.  First he said "it's sexism" and then all the rightwingers moaned and groaned and he said "Well, I don't know if it's sexism."

I am sure there is an element of sexism in the way things have played out, just as 12% of white Pennsylvanians said race was a factor.  Kristol should have the guts to say it if he believes it.  Instead, I think it was just a faux outraged talking point.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-27 06:09AM | 0 recs
stop crying

and tell us what you think of Obama's ideas as stated on Fox.  Did you watch?

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: stop crying

Yes, it wasn't bad.

Hillary chose to go offensive, vacuous, and depressingly stupid in the last debate. She's stuck with that.

by bernardpliers 2008-04-27 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

wake me when there is a transcript.

Stuff like "He just said"...means..ah nothing.
..hearsay evidence is NOT admissible.
I don't ever watch FOX...for any reason.
I worry about those  that that do.
I get all my FOX stuff via Newshounds..("We watch FOX so you don't have to")

by nogo war 2008-04-27 06:07AM | 0 recs

way to get mojo on a democratic blog!

by TeresaInPa 2008-04-27 06:09AM | 0 recs
This is the run to the center

before he has sewn up the nomination, having never really moved left.

Overall in pretty poor taste. He won't debate Clinton (becasue he assumes he doesn't have to); he won't answer American's questions, but he will talk with Fix News..throwing one democratic position after another under the bus.

No sale, Obama.

by 4justice 2008-04-27 06:49AM | 0 recs

He won't debate Clinton because he doesn't have to.

They've had 21 debates and he has an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates.  Even if you argue he is not winning popular vote, SDs are not swayed by that argument.  More are trickling toward him every day.  He doesn't need to debate her any more.  He is the presumptive nominee.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-04-27 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: This is the run to the center

At this point a debate with Clinton is would just be a distraction from McCain, where the attention should be.

I want Clinton to keep campaigning, but I don't want to have to listen to her & I don't want Barack wasting his time on her.

by wrb 2008-04-27 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox


When Clinton and company does it, however... wow. The hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is stunning.

by ragekage 2008-04-27 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

There is altogether too much personal animosity towards each other on display in this thread...

by OrangeFur 2008-04-27 07:10AM | 0 recs

There were a few things I found objectionable -- the shout outs to "merit" pay, though qualified, and charter schools among them -- but my overriding impression was blah.  It was perhaps a reasonable tactical appearance designed to make Sen. Obama more appealing as a measured, contemplative figure.  I agree with Rosenberg over at Open Left that this was a great opportunity for Obama to tee off on the bias of Fox, prepare toward the GE by focusing a lot of fire on McCain, and by that metric I think he blew it.  I know I am not the whole nation but that blowhard Wallace kept spewing talking points from the GOPer playbook, and time and again Obama would come back with "That's fair.  Let me explain my thinking on this".  What I wanted was more along the lines of:

"You guys on Fox News sure have your Republican points down pat.  Look, my position is clear.  One, average Americans pay too much in taxes to support wasteful wars, giveaways to oil companies, and tax breaks for multimillionaires.  I don't support that and the American people are tired after nearly 40 years of efforts by extreme Republicans of paying for all this.  People are ready for a major change.  Two, John McCain is just more of the same.  In 2000 he said he was against huge tax breaks for the fat cats because it was unfair.  Now he has flip-flopped and says he wants to make these tax giveaways to the richest Americans permanent, even though this is busting the budget, giving the Chinese power over our economic future, and shifts the load onto average Americans and our future generations.  It seems McCain is not the independent thinker you guys say he is. People are ready for a major change.  Third, I want to get more benefit for average Americans out of the government spending we do have.  John McCain used to have some sense sometimes but I think the Straight Talk Express has gone off the tracks.  Now it seems he agrees with Cheney that the purpose of government to is to take average people's money and give it to huge corporations and the wealthiest Americans.  We Democrats stand for a major change.  I want us to invest wisely in our future by expanding education, by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, by truly tackling poverty rather than always and only blaming the poor like they do.  What is the essence of the extreme Republican agenda?  Katrina and an abandoned great city is the essence of that agenda.  People are ready for a major change and McCain is just more of the same."

There is a class war underway in the United States.  The sides are drawn.  The mainstream GOPer agenda, materially abetted by Roger Ailes' Fox News, is crushing the future for much of America and most of the word.  And Obama comes for tea and crumpets.

Usually I try myself to be open to the virtues of both of our candidates, either of whom I do believe will be a decent to good president.  Taking on Fox would have signaled Obama understands the current opportunities for ideological realignment, not merely greater political power, but seismic and durable shifts in core public beliefs, pace Rosenberg.

He did not.  I am disappointed.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-04-27 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama sucking up to Fox

My TV doesn't get Faux News.
Somehow it automatically skips that channel.

;-)  ;-)

by johnnygunn 2008-04-27 07:26AM | 0 recs

analysis. T. in Pa.

Obviously Obama is evil!

by missliberties 2008-04-27 07:47AM | 0 recs
sucking up to Fox???

Thank you, Karl!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTGbI8pzv qk

Terry McAuliffe: "Let me say, Congratulations, fox news... Fair and balanced!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ2nVor0b SI

Brit Hume: "It sure is nice to hear Terry McAuliffe say, as other Clinton operatives have, that Fox is fair and balanced... we'll take that and be proud of it"

Who, exactly, is sucking up to Fox?

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-27 08:14PM | 0 recs


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