Unsubscribe from Whitehouse.gov to Protest your feelings on Public Option

I'm through with this B.S..
Single payer advocates were completely left out of the senate hearings.  Baucus refused to let them testify before the senate finance committee.

Even if single payer were not feasible, from a purely strategic negotiating standpoint it was a huge bungle not to start asking for the best so the compromise would be reasonable.

How in the world are dems going to look in the mirror much less hope to hold seats in 2010 if they mandate people buy a product from the very vultures who created this mess?  What person who is healthy and between 20-64 years old is going to thank democrats for making them spend 3-4,000$ out of pocket on insurance in future elections?

Baucus and kent conrad are working their hardest to lower the subsidies both in amount and percent above poverty.  Mark my words the cost of the final bill will be far greater than that which was scored by the CBO out of house committees.

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Re: Unsubscribe from Whitehouse.gov to Protest you

Hmmm, do you think the American public understands that they are about to get hit with an individual mandate to buy health insurance, without adequate subsidies, or a public option to run to when the health insurance companies price gouge them? I wonder how that is going to go down.

Tell me how much they are going to love this health care reform.

I can hear it all now - conservatives shrieking, "Big government doesn't work! Look what happens when the government intrudes on the markets!

And how about when the fabulously wealthy insurance and drug companies have a captive market (since Obama has bargained away the ability of Americans to purchase their medications from Canada or other world markets) and with their new found largesse decide it's time to back the Republicans to overturn all the nice regulations (guaranteed issue, community rating, no pre existing condition exclusions, etc) that are passed right now? They will be in an ever more powerful, entrenched position to reverse consumer protections as well as being "too big to fail", and it will be much in their self interest to do so.

Obama has caved so easily, as I knew he would.

I'm for single payer Medicare for all, and supporting Congressman Anthony Weiner's amendment to allow states to waive ERISA and enact a state level single payer program to cover to serve as a model. That is the last little thing we might possibly win out of this debacle.

Weiner is having a Town Hall on health care in his district in Queens, NY tonight, and we single payer supporters will be there to support him. If anyone is interested, I can update you afterward.

by 07rescue 2009-08-17 04:34AM | 0 recs

Single payer is even more of a dead fish after Obama screwed this up.

Wyden Amendment has a favorable prelim CBO score, bipartisan support and allows portability and covers everyone.

by TxDem08 2009-08-17 04:53AM | 0 recs
insanely stupid

it really is creating an entitlement for the insurance companies.  At least medicare creates  an entitlement for the American people.

it's also insanely stupid politically.  When our premiums don't drop and people are forced to fork out money the Dems will be crushed...

why not just try some insurance reform (without spending money or covering more people) rather than insurance entitlement?

I can't believe Democrats are politically this stupid.  I can only  hope this is part of a path to expose republicans as not willing to even try to compromise and then just write a Democratic bill.  As cokie roberts said on NPR the GOP is just looking for something to oppose.

by TarHeel 2009-08-17 04:54AM | 0 recs
Re: insanely stupid

 Cokie Roberts? Sweet Jesus, never ever bring Cokie Roberts up as a support for anything but the worst Republican storyline. If you ever agree with Cokie, you have serious issues.

by QTG 2009-08-17 03:54PM | 0 recs
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Do you mean the Wyden-Bennett plan? It completely destroys the employer based health insurance system, and places everyone in the position of having to buy private health insurance. So it is a nonstarter with unions. It prescribes complete privatization of the system.

Politically, it has the effect of destroying all political will on the health care issue, because everyone would have a private contract with a health care insurer, and the battle would be between the consumer and the insurer. Considering the wealth and legal clout of a huge corporation against a sick, perhaps incapacitated patient to fight for coverage it would turn us all into sitting ducks.

With government programs at least there is accountability and a target for political action, and a clearly identified group of people to organize with.

The innate problem with health care as an issue is that at any given time, only 20% of the population is sick and interacting with the health care industry, the others are busy with life and couldn't care less until they get sick and need those services and realize they may be denied what they need, or have to fight like hell to get it while they are also undergoing the trauma of illness.

I am a health care provider, and have seen too many people die going through that process. This is not a mere political effort for me. Lives are on the line.

I don't support the Wyden-Bennett bill at all.

Right now, I don't support the Democratic bill in the Senate Finance Committee, I believe it will be worse than what we have now, and will vastly increase the already overpowering force of the insurance companies, making further reform even more difficult. I am sure they believe that they can overturn the consumer protection regulations we might gain now in the near future. But they won't overturn the individual mandate that everyone must have insurance.

What a gift Obama has given the insurance and drug companies. It will be the gift that keeps right on giving.

by 07rescue 2009-08-17 05:13AM | 0 recs
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You are simply wrong.  Does it destroy the employer based system?  Partially.  Does everyone have to get insurance?  Yes, same as would be proposed in the House and Senate amendment.  Or do you think those programs will be free to everyone?

Employers can continue to provide exclusive health insurance to their employees and employees who are happy with their current health benefits can keep them. What's new is that Americans will have options. They will also have guaranteed, portable health insurance they can keep as they move from job to job. Under the Healthy Americans Act, even if an individual is laid off, leaves their job voluntarily, or develops a serious illness, he or she would continue have affordable, high quality health insurance just as good as what members of Congress have.

In the Wyden amendment there is state level government accountability.

Under the Healthy Americans Act, insurance companies will have to enroll every individual who signs up and insurers will be prohibited from raising prices or denying coverage if individuals are sick or are at risk of becoming sick. Previous and existing health problems, occupation, genetic information, gender and age could no longer be used to determine eligibility or the price paid for insurance. Insurance companies will be forced to compete to keep their subscribers healthy.
Individuals will choose from a variety of private plans offered in their state, including any employer-based option that may be available to them. Sign-up will be as simple as checking a box on a tax form. Consumers will get help and advice on choosing the best coverage for them from state-based Health Help Agencies (HHAs) and Human Resource departments. They will provide consumers with unbiased information about competing private health plans and determine premium subsidies that will ensure every American can afford their health plan.

I'm glad that as a health-care provider your involved in this issue, but you should also know as I'm sure you do, that preventative care is paramount.

Unlike under the current system where doctors only get paid for treating patients when they are sick, primary care doctors will be reimbursed under the Healthy Americans Act for investing time in chronic disease management and prevention. And with HHAs publishing consumer-oriented information on every plan's success in prevention and disease management, insurance companies would ultimately be competing to keep Americans healthy. Because of strong Federal market reforms, insurance company profits would come from keeping their customers healthy-- instead of making profits by denying claims or limiting coverage only to the healthiest people.

And even more, it's been score budget neutral by the CBO already in a brief review.  As a health-care provider, you should be for a bill that has at least a good chance of passing and already has bi-partisan support.

The bill's as they are now are dead meat.  Trying to convince Obama & the Administration after their amateur hour as someone else said is futile.

by TxDem08 2009-08-17 06:57AM | 0 recs
Told you progressives didn't support

Wyden's bill.

by DTOzone 2009-08-17 12:45PM | 0 recs
Something has to be done

I am not going to cut my message feed from the whitehouse, however, since their messages are not only domestic but international -

Something. Absolutely. Has to be done. This is not it, tarheel. but If we don't do anything. It all goes up in smoke.

This is a shocking turn of events for me and a lousy way to start off my monday , the whole leash-pull on Baucus did NOT work.

the lobbyists, according to opensecrets.org, are blowing through amazing amounts of cash to make this happen and its all coming down - I bet = in the democratic party (so they can point their finger across the aisle and do stuff like this)


by Trey Rentz 2009-08-17 05:19AM | 0 recs
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Wyden-Bennett is conservative crap, and you are simply wrong about the effects it would have on America. It calls for employers to voluntarily provide the money they now use to pay for employees benefits for employees to use to buy their own on the private market, so after inflation the workers take a huge hit. How do you think a single worker will fare trying to negotiate a contract with the insurance companies? When even moderate sized businesses don't have enough clout to get affordable policies for their groups of workers?

The bill is a complete givaway to big business, at a heavy cost to people, and makes no sense other than it being a sellout to the insurance companies, which is not my goal as a progressive. That's a Republican goal, so perhaps you could post your recommendations at Redstate.

And as a health care provider, I can tell you that preventive medicine costs doesn't save any money, we do it because it improves people's lives. Prevention will not be a panacea for continuing a grotesquely wasteful system of medical profiteering. In most areas of medicine preventive efforts cost more, so they are not budget neutral from an economic standpoint. A few interventions such as childhood vaccinations actually save money, but those savings are already being realized now.

Preventive medicine is not an excuse not to revamp our system to eliminate profiteering, which has no place in health care.

by 07rescue 2009-08-17 11:07AM | 0 recs

Just subscribed.

by QTG 2009-08-17 03:39PM | 0 recs


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