Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

Update at the top of the diary I'm not being presumptious, I'm saying with the current trajectory of the campaign unless Edwards does something bold and unconventional he will not get the media attention to win. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd like to see Edwards pick a VP this summer who reflects unconventionality to get media attention going forward. There's nothing I know of that says one can't pick a ticket before they get the nomination.

Following up a diary that had a thought suggesting Edwards should pick a VP early - I don't necessarily disagree.  Edwards needs to do something to shake up this ridiculously front loaded disaster we're heading toward.

 Here's one who sounds impressive.

Kathleen Sebelius -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Se belius

Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius (born May 15, 1948 in Cincinnati, Ohio) is an American Democratic politician who currently serves as the 44th Governor of Kansas.[1] She is the second female governor from the state of Kansas. She is currently chairwoman of the Democratic Governors Association...
Sebelius is the daughter of former Ohio governor John J. Gilligan, and thus they became the first father/daughter governor pair in the United States after her election.[2] Her husband Gary Sebelius is a federal magistrate judge and the son of former U.S. Representative Keith Sebelius.....

She was first elected to the Kansas House of Representatives in 1986. In 1994, she "left the House to run for state insurance commissioner and stunned political forecasters by winning -- the first time a Democrat had won in more than 100 years. She is credited with bringing the agency out from under the influence of the insurance industry. She refused to take campaign contributions from insurers and blocked the proposed merger of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas, the state's largest health insurer, with an Indiana-based company. The decision by Sebelius marked the first time the corporation had been rebuffed in its acquisition attempts."[3]....
Sebelius defeated Republican Tim Shallenburger in the 2002 election by a vote of 53%-45%.[4] Her victory was partially the result of a bitter divide between conservatives and moderates within the Kansas Republican Party. This divide is touched upon in Thomas Frank's bestseller What's the Matter with Kansas?. Since winning election, Sebelius has successfully built upon her popularity and as of January 2006 was one of the most popular governors in the country.[5]...
Sebelius did not support the April 2005 amendment that made gay marriage in Kansas unconstitutional. Sebelius said she supported the existing state law and viewed it as sufficient,[9] and therefore opposed any such amendment. The amendment later passed with 70% voter approval.
Sebelius is "pro-choice" and does not support capital punishment. During her term as governor, the Kansas capital punishment laws were declared unconstitutional by the Kansas Supreme Court. However, on appeal by Attorney General Phill Kline, the ruling was again overturned and the current law reinstated by the United States Supreme Court....
In November 2005, Time named Sebelius as one of the five best governors in America, praising her for eliminating a $1.1 billion debt she inherited, ferreting out waste in state government, and strongly supporting public education -- all without raising taxes. Also praised was her bipartisan approach to governing.[20]
In February 2006, the White House Project named Sebelius one of its "8 in '08", a group of eight female politicians who could possibly run and/or be elected president in 2008.[21]

http://www.thewhitehouseproject.org/v2/8 for08/pollbios.html#sebelius

Who are your - sleeper minority or female candidates you think could help Edwards if he announced early...  (my dream ticket of Edwards/Obama or Obama/Edwards excluded)..

Tags: John Edwards (all tags)



Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08;

Edwards and Evan Bayh would be a more balanced ticket. You need someone like an Evan Bayh to not scare off conservative independents in Southern OH in reference to the war in Iraq. Bayh is a Scoop Jackson and is conservative in his support of the war and that can bring those independents in Clark County OH home, especially if Giuliani is the nominee. A woman, I am afraid will scare off those conserv independents.

by olawakandi 2007-03-19 09:30AM | 0 recs
read the poster below this one

I agree with what s/he says.

can't be another white male.

IF Edwards did decide to go unconventional and pick a VP early - presumably to get media attention it would have to be someone other than another white male.

the general electorate sees Edwards as more conservative than he is because he's a white male with a southern accent.

by TarHeel 2007-03-19 10:00AM | 0 recs
Bayh is a great friend of Edwards

but its probably true that this is time time for some diversity on the ticket. The only exception to that I'd see is if Wesley Clark were the guy, as he'd bring serious credibility in foreign policy and military matters. Otherwise, look for someone disparate in some way to Edwards.

It would seem to me that the best VP candidate anyone could hope for is Bill Richardson.

by mihan 2007-03-19 12:22PM | 0 recs
Should Edwards win

Should Edwards win the most diverse presidential primary the Democratic party has ever seen, I see no way for the usual two white males ticket. Therefore, should Edwards beat the female, the African-American and the Hispanic candidate, he just could not chose another white man for his ticket. I don't think that would play well with the voters or the media, and rightly so, in my opinion.

If people like Bayh, Warner et al wanna get the VP nod they should better root for someone other than Edwards, and as far as I can see Bayh seems to be going with Hillary (remember their trip to Iraq a couple of months ago?).

As for a possible VP for Edwards. He has two choices. Choose someone from the primary field. Most likely Obama or Richardson. Or choose someone else entirely. In that case I think that you're right about Sebelius. She would be the best choice, as she's a governor of a red state, yet pro choice, managed to get a lot of Republicans in Kansas to switch parties and of course would be the first female VP.

by jedinecny 2007-03-19 09:44AM | 0 recs
Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Sebelius would be great.

I'm not convinced that Edwards couldn't pick Webb, but the argument for diversity is a good one.

by MeanBoneII 2007-03-19 10:55AM | 0 recs

Also, Edwards/Moyers, Edwards/Webb, Edwards/Schweitzer all sound good.

by craverguy 2007-03-19 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

as much as I would love to see a woman or a minority candidate I would find a Edwards /Webb ticket so solid.The best of both worlds indeed.Webb is a gem and I think his strengths covers any claims of potential weakness in Edwards resume.Good Call !

by kittycago 2007-03-19 11:52AM | 0 recs
Sebelius is great right where she is

She's rebuilding the Democratic Party in Kansas and probably should stay where she is for another four years. I think she's great, personally, but not yet. If 2008 doesn't work out for us, I'd like to see her as part of a Schweitzer/Sebelius or Warner/Sebelius ticket.

Edwards, should he get the nomination, should probably look for massive foreign policy cred in a running mate...either Richardson or Clark.

by mihan 2007-03-19 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

I don't think he would be very smart to talk at all about a vp until he is actually the nominee. Its rather presumptious and I don't think it would come off well.

A vp search is a very extensive process. Id rather see the campaign worried and focused more on the campaign and winning first.

That said, I don't think diversity is the primary consideration. He needs someone he can work well with, someone that is either from the south or midwest preferably, that has some name recognition and some gravitas. I think someone like Obama would be a great choice if he would accept. If Obama didn't win the nomination, I think there is a good chance he would take the vp spot - the two of them would work well together.

by okamichan13 2007-03-19 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

"I don't think he would be very smart to talk at all about a vp until he is actually the nominee"

I agree.  The other diary on that seemed silly to me.  This is kind of silly too, but its not based on the weird idea that he has to choose now.

by jallen 2007-03-19 12:36PM | 0 recs
You miss the point of this diary

I'll update above.

by TarHeel 2007-03-19 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

If Edwards wins the nomination, he has to pick a minority or a woman for the VP, and he will. It will be either Obama, Richardson, Sebelius, Clinton, or some wild card like Madeline Albright (foreign policy creds).

Here's an interesting name for either Clinton or Obama: Sam Nunn. Moderate, conservative, with about as much defense policy cred as any Democrat in the country. Also, Webb is a pretty obvious choice, too.

by bluenc 2007-03-19 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

Webb was just elected to the Senate.  He should stay there.

Barack Obama is my #1 choice for Edwards VP.  CW problem: both seem young, inexperienced, and hopeful.  VP is usually used to balance a ticket.  I think, though, that Barack would add a hell of a lot of excitement and enthusiasm, even as just a VP nominee.

Russ Feingold #2.  CW problem: the ticket would be too far to the left, unbalanced.  Russ is really the only person in the Senate that I trusted until last years election.

Jennifer Granholm #3.  Problem: she was born in Canada, and had a hard time in her own state (although she won it comfortably in the end).

Real possibilities, though not my own picks:

Bill Richardson would mix it up with hispanics, and balance the ticket with his DLCish economic views and foreign policy cred.

Janet Napolitano is a woman, and like Bill Richardson, another SW governor and fairly conservative Democrat.

by jallen 2007-03-19 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

The 12th Amendment provides:

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

That's a pretty insurmountable problem for Granholm.  

by Steve M 2007-03-19 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

Yeah, I said as much in my comment.

by jallen 2007-03-19 02:03PM | 0 recs
Love Sebelius

I'm leaning towards Obama right now. Nonetheless, Edwards is my strong second choice. Either way, I want Sebelius as our VP nominee. We need more women in office for one, and two, we need strong leaders like her who have built the Democratic brand.

by gatordemocrat 2007-03-19 01:05PM | 0 recs
Of course,

I forgot to mention, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Obama as the VP too. That would be equally fantastic!

by gatordemocrat 2007-03-19 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course,

I like Edwards and Obama a lot (Obama a bit more), but I think they'd be a terrible match on a ticket together. Both are young, charismatic, one-term senators who are running as strong progressives. Adding one of them to a ticket topped by the other doesn't really bring another dimension to the campaign.

In addition, we ought to remember that Edwards as VP did nothing to help Kerry in 04 - not because Edwards himself didn't have great candidate qualities, but because what voters look for in a VP (experience, ticket balance) is probably a little different from what they look for in a President (leadership above all else, I'd guess).
Obama or Edwards as VP in 08 would be just as useless.

by James Gatz 2007-03-19 01:26PM | 0 recs
I'm thinking

only of having Obama as a VP to Edwards (though I certainly see your point, it could certainly be too much of one thing.) I wouldn't agree with having Edwards as VP again - I don't even think Edwards would agree to it even if it was offered.

by gatordemocrat 2007-03-19 04:11PM | 0 recs
Obama / Napolitano

Personally, I'd like to win this year.

The first non-white President and the first female VP would be one hell of a ticket, able to marginalize the all-white-male GOP like they ought to be.

A ticket representing the only two legitimately swing-y regions in the nation (the midwest and southwest) would be helpful.

A protestant and a catholic, a man and a woman, senator and governor, black and white - nice balance all around.

And we could stamp a Democratic imprint on an entire generation of voters (just like Reagan did for the GOP in '80).

I don't mean this to be a knock on Edwards, who I also think would make a terrific president and is a close #2 for me in the primaries, by the way. I just figure that if we're throwing out dream tickets I ought to include what I think is the potentially most groundbreaking, Republican-shattering ticket of them all (oh, and I suppose Obama/Clark would be pretty damn good too, especially if the GOP nominates McCain and we actually have to match them on experience).

by James Gatz 2007-03-19 01:21PM | 0 recs
I suggest...

Clark/Edwards.   :)

by kevin22262 2007-03-19 02:56PM | 0 recs
or who do you recommend?

I would love to see Edwards-Obama but if he had to choose during the season, I think Janet Napolitano, the governor of Arizona, would be a good choice.

The only real problem with her is that she is unmarried and there is speculation that she is a lesbian, which unfortunately would take her out of contention if proven true.

Clark would make a fantastic choice too, because he is someone who can bring more foreign policy creds to the table.  

by Vox Populi 2007-03-19 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: or who do you recommend?

I think Clark would be a good choice as well. He adds a lot and might help Edwards some in swing states as well. His experience shows he knows how to work as a team as well.

Only real problem with Clark is that he doesnt seem to such a good campaigner. Just worry that he might say or do something at the wrong time/place.

I don't really buy into the idea that Edwards must choose a woman or a minority. He should seriously consider all candidates, look at all factors, and make the best most qualified choice.

by okamichan13 2007-03-19 03:52PM | 0 recs
I love Napolitano too, but...

keep in mind, in Arizona, state-level candidates are elected through public funds - so the fundraising potential of Napolitano is slim to none. However (and more importantly) such a system gives Napolitano an edge in the swing state of Arizona, because such a campaign finance system forces any candidate to have a good ground game. Not to mention the fact she won reelection handily there.

However, should McCain (however unlikely right now) be the GOP nominee, Napolitano's influence in Arizona would be marginalized. It could be a replay of '88, where Lloyd Benson as the VP nominee did nothing to put Texas into the GOP column because the GOP presidential nominee was, of course, Bush I.

Despite all of this, Napolitano would be a close third for me behind Obama and Sebelius.

by gatordemocrat 2007-03-19 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

This goes for all the candidates, but whoever it is ought to either be young enough to run in 2016 or willing to bow out of the 2012 ticket.

Also, the notion of ticket balancing is a little outdated I think.  Clinton/Gore was very effective largely because it was not balanced: keeps the message simpler.  And Edwards/Obama ticket would reinforce the message of youth, vitality, and change.

by LPMandrake 2007-03-19 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

Edwards/Richardson is a fab ticket!

by puresmoke 2007-03-19 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

If Edwards were to indeed try to "shake things up" and announce a VP candidacy in the summer it would come across as totally desperate, and rightfully so.   Then again, maybe that is where some Edwards supporters see this thing already?  

by georgep 2007-03-19 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

I agree with the first point.  Not the second.  If I did, I'd be in the Obama camp, adding to his already swelling numbers.

by jallen 2007-03-19 06:26PM | 0 recs
My picks

In order:  Obama/Sebelius, Obama/Richardson, Obama/Napolitano.

by Terryus 2007-03-19 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards/Sebelius '08; or who do you recommend?

If Edwards gets the nomination these tickets would do good...


by Socks The Cat 2007-03-19 07:21PM | 0 recs
Vice Presidential Candidates

Announcing a VP choice BEFORE you get the nomination is not a good idea...for all of the reasons mentioned above.  

Of course, if you think there is some advantage in stirring up VP speculation, there are many ways to do that far short of making a binding announcement.  You can make one or two joint appearances on the campaign trail with a potential VP choice, as Hillary Clinton did with Evan Bayh.  Or post a few diaries on it.  :)

In general, the first rule of VP choices is that the VP have absolutely no scandals in the closet that could hurt the top of the ticket in the remaining months of the campaign.  As such, VP choices are vetted very thoroughly.  (That vetting often turns up things that the general public is unaware of about particular candidates.)  

Ideally, a vice presidential choice should also be a steady campaigner, exhibiting little or no gaffe potential.  One of the curious things about Richardson being on VP lists, is that so far, he has already shown fatigue and a penchance for gaffing on the campaign trail.  Admittedly, there is a certain puckish charm in his fatigue and gaffes, but if Richardson wants to have a shot at being a VP candidate, I think he is going to have to demonstrate much more discipline on the campaign trail than he has shown thus far.  

As far as who Edwards might choose for VP if he gets the nomination, that will depend upon the state of the campaign at the time of the choice.  Undoubtedly, it will be influenced by how Edwards won the nomination, which issues carried him, and which issues caused voters to vote for others, or not vote at all.  It would also be influenced by who the Republicans nominate to be their candidate.  Thus, obviously, VP choices are appropriately viewed as grounded in a particular moment in time.  The complexion of the campaign at THAT TIME is decisive, not the complexion of the campaign a year and a half out (which helps to explain why an early choice is truly foolish).  

As for an Edwards/Obama ticket, that will depend almost completely upon how Obama does in the primaries, and how his campaign actually unfolds.  Will it unfold nicely?  Let's hope so.  Obama could very easily earn, and with his delegate count demand, the VP slot.  In particular, if, after all the voting, the delegate count is split between Edwards, Obama and Clinton with none of them having enough delegates to win the nomination, then a VP slot demand is a possibility for the surrendering candidate.

If I had to bet...today...who Edwards' choice for VP would be...looking into the crystal ball... I would guess Clark.  My sense is that he is scandal free, a steady campaigner, and with his national security credentials, a good balance for Edwards.  

by Demo37 2007-03-19 09:00PM | 0 recs


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