[UPDATED x3] Name one accomplishment by Obama

Yes, I know it's Fox. But those are all Obama supporters that Luntz is polling. And it is a problem with a good many of his supporters.  

Update [2008-2-5 11:43:7 by susanhu]: A thought: This is quite typical of Obama supporters I encounter, even on many blogs. They haven't anything thoughtful or substantive to say. They just like his oratory. That's scary to me. But something happens: Once they are enchanted by the oratory, they don't think, especially critically. That's very worrisome. (Sen. Obama does have a few accomplishments, but frankly they pale in comparison to the 35 years of achievement by Sen. Clinton. He needs more time to work on more substantive legislation.) / END UPDATE THOUGHT /

Even giving a speech against a war in 2002 is not a real accomplishment, especially when you do it in a liberal urban district of Chicago, and your own neck isn't on the chopping block if you take the wrong vote. (Then, since you've joined the U.S. Senate, you've gone along with everybody else, and even refused to assist with Senate efforts to end the war.  Your voting record is identical to Sen. Clinton's except that she had the guts to vote against the confirmation of Gen. George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army because, Sen. Clinton discovered, he wasn't taking care of the troops.  But that didn't bother Sen. Obama, who voted for Casey.)

Then there was that appearance on Meet The Press:

In July of `04, Barack Obama, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know," in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: "There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage." That was July of `04. And this: "I think" there's "some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war." It doesn't seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it. ("Meet the Press," 2004, via MyDD, Nov. 11, 2007)

Update [2008-2-5 13:34:42 by susanhu]: [Ed] [REST OF THE PIECE EXCISED. The first part stands on its own. But I am adding this from CNN this morning:]

Update [2008-2-5 13:34:42 by susanhu]:Obama Mocks Universal Health Care, Compares It To Solving Homelessness by 'Mandating That Everybody Buys A House'

This morning on CNN, Sen. Obama mocked universal health care, comparing it to solving homelessness by 'mandating everybody buys a house':

ROBERTS: Senator, she suggests that you're falling short here by mandating coverage for children but not mandating it for their parents. What do you say?

BHO: …[I] mean, if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everybody buy a house. the reason they don't have a house is they don't have the money.

This is a completely false analogy. Hillary's plan provides more generous subsidies so that everyone can afford coverage. Paul Krugman noted yesterday that Hillary's plan is "more explicit about affordability, promising to limit insurance costs as a percentage of family income. And it also seems to include more funds for subsidies." Details here.

By allowing healthy people to opt-out of health care until they get sick, Obama's plan drives up costs for everyone.

What kind of analytical thinking IS THAT anyway? Yikes. Jeffrey Toobin keeps talking about putting him on the Supreme Court. I don't know.

Tags: Barack Obama, Gen. George Casey, Hillary Clinton, Iraq (all tags)

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82 Comments

He was born

Your reaching - you've descended into the ridiculous.

by Moonwood 2008-02-05 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: He was born

Far beyond the rediculous, I'd say.

One achievement by Obama: he is doing his best right now to stop another era of Clintonism, Republican Lite and appropriation of the Republican agenda, triangulation, walking away from minorities and the poor, Corporatism, and further breakdown of our economy, especially the jobs Americans depend on.

That is enough by Democratic standards.

by shergald 2008-02-05 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: He was born

One accomplishment is that he has Hillary and company running scared. They will stoop to anything in order to besmurch him.

by waldo 2008-02-05 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: He was born

Huh? Yeah, the years were awful under Clinton.
Neither Hillary or Obama would be a Republican Lite.  I believe Obama is the one going on the 'I beleive in Jesus' tour.  That's about as Republican as one can get.
Triangulation? - like Obama winking to some crowds he's against gays, then to others he's fine with them.
Perhaps you've forgotten but minorities and poor people did better under the Clinton years than  the halo above your name (the Carter years).  Blacks and Hispanics love Clinton for a reason, not because they are stupid.
Corporatism - Did i miss something, did Obama say he was ending Corporations?  Hmmm, interesting, I didn't know that.  
Jobs have gone overseas, and if a Dem was in the Whitehouse the last 8 years something would have been done about it.  Both O and C will respond to this issue.

Your use of taglines/phrases to trigger nods of good vs. evil reminds me of my college days.  Hillary is not evil and Obama is not Christ.  Idol worship is a dangerous thing.

by oc 2008-02-05 10:07AM | 0 recs
You haven't been listening

Both Edwards and Obama have made ending the corporate control of congress with donations and gifts central to their campaigns.  Hillary has embraced corporate money - having a fund raiser at Monsanto HQ.  

by Moonwood 2008-02-08 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: He was born
He stops republican lite by negotiating with the
criminals
by marketingman 2008-02-05 12:28PM | 0 recs
then take the challenge

name one, and it doesn't count if it's a bill he supported but it didn't pass.  go for it take all the time you need

by anna shane 2008-02-05 11:05AM | 0 recs
Response

Obama passed the Congo relief bill, was a lead on Obama-Coburn ethics reform bill, both in the US Senate. He championed death penalty reform in the IL senate and got it down against significant odds he faced.

That Congo bill is a meaningful bill that's passed under his name in 3 years so far in the US Senate.

Hillary has only two bills under her name passed into law in 7 years in the senate. But, both of them were both ceremonial. He productivity on that metric is very bad for someone trying to sell the meme that she has "experience" thousands of time every day.

Hillary also had a monumental failure with her healthcare project in 1993 and 1994.

Then her monumental blunder (a calculation gone wrong) of voting for the war.

Her net credit on experiene is highly negative (because of the war).

And she continues to make inane excuses for her war votes, in the process showing her neocon-style unilateral foreign policy orientation.

She also likes lobbyists (her propping up lobbyists at Yearly Kos) and raised the most from lobbyists of all major pres. candidates (Dem and Rep).

HRC isn't "Ready on Day One". She's "Wrong on Day One".

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-06 01:36AM | 0 recs
'..got it done against..'

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-06 02:05AM | 0 recs
Re: He was born

I have to agree with you.

This diarist is clearly drinking heavy doses of Hillary-aide, seemingly OK with complete distortions of Obama's record, statements, and policy plans as outlined.

That's OK, I don't know too many Democratic voters who actually know what myDD is, let alone care over whom diarists there blowhard.

by Doug in Virginia 2008-02-05 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

I don't think arguing in favor of the Iraq war is going to win you many votes in the Democratic Party or the country as a whole...

by WellstoneDem 2008-02-05 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Uh, I didn't do that anywhere in the piece.  In full disclosure, I was opposed to the Iraq War in 2002 -- vehemently so -- but i also saw that Bush was hellbent on the war, and that there was nothing on the face of the earth that would stop him from having his war.

My points are that Obama has vacillated since his 2002 speech and, in the U.S. Senate, he's voted along with everybody else. He hasn't taken a SINGLE courageous stand on the war in Iraq in the U.S. Senate.

by susanhu 2008-02-05 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: You quote this

"framing victory in the language of defeat BEFORE THE WAR BEGAN, Obama was setting himself up to run for Commander in Chief on the pre-ordained failure of the very troops he wants to command."

This basically calls Obama a traitor for opposing the war.

"He was wrong about our ability to contain that threat. But even if you put THAT aside, Obama is saying that America should not neutralize threats to our national security if it's going to take a while, cost a lot and involve a lot of risk. A President Obama would have responded to Pearl Harbor by saying "Screw it, let the Japanese have their fun". After all, four years of combat? Billions spent? Lots of Dead Americans? Hell, Obama would have responded to 9/11 by doing...nothing. Afghanistan was no threat to us, and of course, 6 years later, we're still there, for an undetermined future, at an undetermined cost, at an undetermined risk..."

This basically conflates the threat of Iraq with that of Al Qaida (and the Japanese in WWII???)

by WellstoneDem 2008-02-05 06:41AM | 0 recs
an opinion

is not an accomplishment, what did his opinion accomplish? And, by the by, reading a speech really well isn't an accomplishment either, although it may be his closest shot.  

by anna shane 2008-02-05 11:07AM | 0 recs
One of my favorites

is the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 -- which was a pretty big deal at the time of its passage, as it was a bill sponsored and championed by Obama on the Democratic side of the aisle that shined very much needed light on the federal earmark and pork-barrel process.

I've got several more -- both from his federal career, short as it is, and from his state legislature days.

...so just let me know if you want two... or three.... or however many.

But it's your turn now, Camp Clinton... gimme an important accomplishment by Clinton... and the AUMF doesn't count :-)

by zonk 2008-02-05 06:29AM | 0 recs
clearly, you have done your research

but I have talked with scores of people who caucused for Obama, and I'd wager that a large number of them could not name a single of his accomplishments either.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-05 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: clearly, you have done your research

How many Edwards supporters can name one of his accomplishments, do you reckon? :)

by Steve M 2008-02-05 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

I've never been impressed by his opposition to the war in 2002.  

I saw all kinds of people on LINK TV and Free Speech TV saying the same thing.  

:::::

The other thing that got to me this morning was seeing an actor, Andrew Shue, on MSNBC.

He said he was for Obama because he was tired of the "competitive nature" of our country."

He said he can see that competitive nature in the workplace and on Little League fields.

He wants that competititve nature to go away, and for us all to get along.

For the love of god.  That is NOT a reason to elect someone president.

And it is most certainly not reflective of a rational view of the nature of man.

by susanhu 2008-02-05 06:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

I've never been impressed by his opposition to the war in 2002.  

I saw all kinds of people on LINK TV and Free Speech TV saying the same thing.  

:::::

The other thing that got to me this morning was seeing an actor, Andrew Shue, on MSNBC.

He said he was for Obama because he was tired of the "competitive nature" of our country."

He said he can see that competitive nature in the workplace and on Little League fields.

He wants that competititve nature to go away, and for us all to get along.

For the love of god.  That is NOT a reason to elect someone president.

And it is most certainly not reflective of a rational view of the nature of man.

by susanhu 2008-02-05 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Well put.

What a moron.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-05 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

"ThinkingDem" was kind of fond of writing diaries about how great the war was and how opposing it basically makes you a traitor.  I'm not sure he's my go-to guy for brilliant analysis.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 06:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Huh.  I just read that one diary by him, and it certainly didn't strike me like that.  Oh well.  He makes some worthwhile points.

Take that out of the piece, and there's still Obama's utter lack of ANY courageous action on Iraq since he joined the U.S. Senate.

by susanhu 2008-02-05 06:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

The very bit you quoted is calling war opponents defeatists (and effectively traitors). How can you possibly complain about any "right-wing framing" from Obama after that?

by KCinDC 2008-02-05 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Oblahma used rightwing lingo to justify his many votes supporting a war he "opposed."
And asking Obamabots to explain why Obama stopped "supporting the troops" in 2007 - is futile.

Listening to C-Span callers explain why they're voting for Obama - because "he's different" -"he's exciting" -
The Britney/Paris crowd are duped by Obama's biggest supporters -  
the Corporate Owned Media sponsored by corporatists.

by annefrank 2008-02-05 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

ADD to that that I've only been able to hang out here at MyDD since my surgery and being able to sit up for more than a few minutes -- which began around November -- so I don't have all the history on all of these people!

Have gotten to know YOUR writings, Steve, and I enjoy them.

by susanhu 2008-02-05 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Thanks for the compliment, Susan.  The guy did make some interesting points, but he was pretty over the top most of the time, and I can't say as I've missed him lately.  Stuff like how because Obama thought the war would be a mess, he was "rooting for failure," and similar arguments we normally hear only from that party that Obama wants to get along with.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

I'll just take it out.  

by susanhu 2008-02-05 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

I love buffets!

(As Charlie Gibbs kept pointing out to Obama -- that it'd be so EASY to get around his little rules.)

by susanhu 2008-02-05 06:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama
Washington lobbyists are STILL doing quite well.
And Oblahma's "lobbying reform bill" proves lobbyists can eat as much sitting down as they can standing up.
by annefrank 2008-02-05 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

There is also Lugar-Obama that secures loose arms

Several state level accomplishments as well:

Required video taping of interrogations

Expanded Childrens health care

Ethics Reform

by WellstoneDem 2008-02-05 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Since Susan only responds to her high-fivers, I'll respond for her:

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA

by zonk 2008-02-05 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Hilzoy has a good rundown of some of Obama's accomplishments and substance.

I'm wondering what accomplishments the average Hillary supporter on the street would respond with if you asked them.

by KCinDC 2008-02-05 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

I don't think that Susan's point is that Obama does not have any significant accomplishments, but rather that many of his supporters can't name any.

It's a big difference.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-05 09:44AM | 0 recs
Wow

So now we're playing the whole "Who did Ted Bundy vote for" game?

By this logic, I should burn all my Springsteen records because half of America missed the entire point of 'Born in the USA'.

If that's going to be our attack criteria, man... might as well call of the election because NO ONE deserves to be elected....

...or perhaps we should have literacy tests at the polling place?

by zonk 2008-02-05 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow

Please look beyond your own hyperbole and faulty reasoning, it's clear that nobody is playing games.

This is saying that half of America should educate him/herself about the actual text of Born in the USA  before they put themselves up as experts on the meaning of the song was.

It's O.k. to like Obama, it's O.k. to vote for him, but if a supporter want to argue to other people that Obama is better then the other candidate, then it would be nice if (s)he would know what Obama has actually done

Would you take an Hillary supporter serious if they wouldn't have a clue about her history and accomplishments?

So how is that controversial? How is that the "Who did Ted Bundy vote for" game? or declaring that people aren't allowed to vote?

by Ernst 2008-02-05 12:47PM | 0 recs
I haven't heard

specifics from Clinton or her surrogates, either... I always hear "35 years"... I hear "she knows the issues"... but I hear just as much broad whitewash from Camp Clinton.

Frankly - check this diarists history... just as an example... there sure ain't much in the way of "Hillary Clinton because of X, Y, and Z".  It's a lot more "NOT Barack Obama because of X, Y, and Z."

The irony... it burns.

by zonk 2008-02-05 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

well im not voting for his supporters for president.

by omar little 2008-02-05 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Beating HRC so far.

by ChrisR 2008-02-05 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

No, more people in this country so far have voted for Hillary.  Whether there will be delegates is another matter, but she has more votes.

by WMCB 2008-02-05 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

At the moment that would be more of an ongoing project then an accomplishment wouldn't you think?

Or I must have missed her dropping out...

by Ernst 2008-02-05 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED]

I hear Obama wrote a bill with lobbyists from the nuclear power industry.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-05 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

Even with the things he has done, it's kind of disappointing that his supporters can't come up with any.  That won't bode well against McCain.

by ejintx 2008-02-05 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Name one accomplishment by Obama

oh really...

why?

by omar little 2008-02-05 03:39PM | 0 recs
Name one accomplishment by Hillary

Marrying Bill.

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-05 06:49AM | 0 recs
Pat Leahy is a classic example

Leahy endorses Obama, standing there he says Obama can reach out to people and bring all different typed of people together.  A reporters asks, what has Obama done in the Senate to show that he can do that.

Leahy choked and stuttered and sputtered and looked like an old man lost in the aisles of a WalMart and them mumbled something about some legislation Obama worked on regarding the Congo.

Hilarious!

Obama is all talk no record.

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-05 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Pat Leahy is a classic example

What is this amazing record that Hillary supporters apparently believe she has? She's been in the Senate longer than Obama and has accomplished less. I'm tired of hearing about "35 years of experience" when most of it is irrelevant.

Clinton may be a good candidate, but "experience" is hardly her strongest point. She's not some elder stateswoman. If you were looking for experience you should have gone with someone like Biden or Richardson.

by KCinDC 2008-02-05 07:03AM | 0 recs
I think she will work harder than Obama

I think she understand what government can and can't do better than Obama.  I think she is tougher than Obama.  

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-05 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I think she will work harder than Obama

Is that an accomplishment? Is that experience? I get that you feel that way, but it doesn't relate to my question or the subject of this diary.

by KCinDC 2008-02-05 09:01AM | 0 recs
I think she has more experience ...

She has a slight edge in the Senate and  I do beleive that her 8 years of experience as First Lady trumps Obama's 12 years of state level experience.   I believe veterns health care issues, which she teamed up with Lindsey Graham, and S-Chip are to major accomplishments on her part.

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-05 09:41AM | 0 recs
by Adam B 2008-02-05 07:25AM | 0 recs
as I said upthread to zonk

you have clearly researched the issues thoroughly.

But I would wager that the majority of Obama supporters out there are more like the people in this focus group, who are attracted to the image of Obama, the idea of Obama, or the speaking skills of Obama, having no idea of a single thing he has done.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-05 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: as I said upthread to zonk

Why is that a bad thing?  Voters aren't always going to decide on the metrics that you'd prefer they do.

by Adam B 2008-02-05 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: as I said upthread to zonk

It's inevitable that quite a lot of supporters don't know much about their preferred candidates.

But I must say that after hearing hundreds of times that I was an easily duped low information voter from Obama supporters back when I was still supporting Clinton, I'm having a bit of perverse pleasure seeing their own somewhat insulting premise bite them this time. I know I shouldn't as it's a dangerous meme to have out there about a democratic candidate supporters that could hurt us in the long run, but I'm only human.

Obama really should kill this in the bud and get out some talking points about his accomplishments for his supporters quickly. If the media get any traction with this it could get ugly in the general. His supports should know one or two catchphrases that sound good. McCain got plenty of "accomplishments" catchphrases that his supporters could use without actually knowing what was actually accomplished. Obama shouldn't neglect that weak spot. (Hillary has a weak point there as well, so same for her.)

by Ernst 2008-02-05 01:08PM | 0 recs
so hillary is absolved

because it was a politically thorny issue?  

by highgrade 2008-02-05 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Name one accomplishment by Obama

Still waiting for the ONE accomplishment by HRC while in elected office..

I know she sponsored the flag-burning amendment..is that her proudest moment in the Senate?

Her single biggest decision while in elective office was whether to allow bush to pre-emptively invade Iraq(something that the US has never done in its history..ie.invade a country that has not invaded the US or an ally).

The result of her decision made to invade without reading the NIE..was 4000 dead american soldiers, 75,000 +  wounded.

Is that her proudest vote? Or was it the one against the Levin amendment?
Or against restricting the use of cluster bombs by the US military in civilian areas? I know she is for the kids..but those kids pick up cluster bomblets and they die.

Or for the Bankruptcy Bill? was that the one? you know, the vote she cast for but hoped it would fail?

Give us one.

by hawkjt 2008-02-05 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Name one accomplishment by Obama

You aren't very good with your facts.

by Steve M 2008-02-05 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Name one accomplishment by Obama

This was from a diary I wrote a long time ago. It's just a few points, but I could get more from an outside source if you like.

16.    Worked with Senator Schumer to secure over $21 billion in funding for redevelopment of the World Trade Center, security and health improvements.
  1.    Introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005.
  2.    Introduced legislation for a national Broadband network to help rural populations.
  3.    Cosponsored legislation to expand Healthcare for the National Guard and Reserves.
  4.    Pressured the Pentagon to brief the Armed Services Committee on redeployment plans when they refused and questioned her patriotism.

23. Helped recover compensation for steelworkers who got radiation poisoning on the job (changed Republican opinions of her in NY).
24. Helped secure $12 million in funding to track the health of 9/11 workers.

by RJEvans 2008-02-05 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Name one accomplishment by Obama

In fact, here is the whole list. Again, I could find more information for you if you like.

1.    Appointed to Board of Legal Services Corporation by President Carter.
  1.    Chaired Arkansas Educational Standards Committee.
  2.    Co founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families.
  3.    Served on the Board of the Children's Defense Fund.
  4.    Twice named top 100 most influential lawyers.
  5.    Chaired the Task Force on National Health Care Reform (failed but learned a lot), 1993-1994
  6.    Spoke at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in China for women's rights, 1995.
  7.     Helped create the Violence Against Women Office in the DOJ, 1995.
  8.    Worked with Kennedy to push through legislation for the Children's Healthcare Insurance Program ($24 billion 10-year program), 1997
  9.    Chaired and wrote the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which was signed into Public Law.
  10.    Founded Save America's Treasures, 1998
  11.    Initiated Millennium Project, 1999
  12.    Chaired the Foster Care Independence Act of 1999, which was signed into Public Law.
  13.    Travelled to 82 countries as her time as First Lady (most travelled First Lady).
  14.    Senator from New York, 2001-present
   a.    Committee on Budget, 2001-2003
   b.    Committee on Environment and Public Works, 2001-present
   c.    Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, 2001-present
   d.    Committee on Armed Services, 2003-present
   e.    Special Committee on Aging, 2001-present
   f.    Chairman of Steering and Outreach Committee, 2003-2007 concede
   g.    Vice Chairman of Committee Outreach, 2007-present
   h.    Chairman of Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health, 2007-present
   i.    Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, 2001-present
  1.    Worked with Senator Schumer to secure over $21 billion in funding for redevelopment of the World Trade Center, security and health improvements.
  2.    Introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005.
  3.    Introduced legislation for a national Broadband network to help rural populations.
  4.    Cosponsored legislation to expand Healthcare for the National Guard and Reserves.
  5.    Pressured the Pentagon to brief the Armed Services Committee on redeployment plans when they refused and questioned her patriotism.
  6. Along with Madeline Albright, founded Vital Voices, 1997.
  7. Worked with Grameen Bank to extablish micro-credit and help economic growth in developing countries.
  8. Helped recover compensation for steelworkers who got radiation poisoning on the job (changed Republican opinions of her in NY).
  9. Helped secure $12 million in funding to track the health of 9/11 workers.

by RJEvans 2008-02-05 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED] Name one accomplishment by Obama

Sounds like a lot of speeches, and "introducing" legislation.  What became law?  What actually changed?

by Adam B 2008-02-05 10:08AM | 0 recs
he bought a big house at a reeeeal cheap price

A "sweaheart of a deal" if you ask me.

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-05 08:49AM | 0 recs
Accomplishment

He has run a brilliant campaign.  He was negative and nasty toward Hillary early on, but the press never called him on it because they don't like Hillary. So, the coverage of the senator from Punjab comment got little coverage, and the mocking, sexist comment that Hillary just had tea in embassies was also given a pass. He convinced the highly educated liberal wing that he was very progressive, despite a centrist voting record. Michele Obama very cleverly reminded everyone of the Monica Lewinsky scandal by talking about how you have to control your own house to be in the White House, and got away with denying that was what she meant. They undercut the legitimacy of the win in Nevada by claiming there were irregularities in Nevada, the same thing Bill Clinton claimed, but the Obama campaign was not criticized in the press, while Bill Clinton was mocked.  Supporters of Obama undercut the legitimacy of the NH result by blaiming the Bradley effect. When Hillary Clinton's campaign sent out a mailer about Obama's voting present on choice, the press covered Obama campaign screaming smear, yet gave little if any coverage to the Obama mailer saying Hillary Clinton would force people who could not afford it to buy insurance.  If there was even a hint by the Clinton cmapaign that there was gender bias at play, the press and the supporters of the other campaigns screamed "gender card" and dismissed it as Hillary "playing the victim."  Unbelievable.

Obama has run a very negative campaign, yet his supporters and the press are convinced that he has run a transitional, transformational campaign that is pure and appeals to our better angels. It is almost Orwellian.

But I'll support him if he gets the nomination - even though his supporters may not support Hillary if she gets the nomination - another example of his brilliance!  If any other candidate said that, people would be screaming about 2000, Ralph Nader, etc., but Obama gets away with it.  

by nascardem 2008-02-05 09:00AM | 0 recs
Obama mocks HIllary

Sorry...Obama was mocking Hillary not UHC.

When Hillary proposes UHC let me know.

FLASH .... Hillary solves homelessness. ..
"Mandates that everyone buys a house"

LOL.

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-05 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama mocks HIllary

Please refrain from mockery if you've got no clue what you are talking about.

Several HC systems in Europe use mandates to achieve universality, with good results. The Netherlands for example, and according to metrics it performs rather well.

It's not my favorite form of UHC, but it works and is easier to institute in the USA then any other form right now.

by Ernst 2008-02-05 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: [UPDATED x3] Name one accomplishment by Obama

I saw something yesterday that asked if Hillary were a 40 year old mother of two daughters who had served in a state senate and was newly elected to the US Senate, would she even been considered as a possible candidate for POTUS?  That would be a big NO.

So...

by Shazone 2008-02-05 09:04AM | 0 recs
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If Hillary had three wheels she'd be a tricycle. What does this have to do with anything? How is the number or gender of children relevant at all? And who is 40 years old (Obama is 46)?

by KCinDC 2008-02-05 09:27AM | 0 recs
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The point was that Obama (who is 46, not 40) is getting a pass on experience - if Hillary had his credentials, she would be mocked for having the audacity to even consider running.

by Shazone 2008-02-05 11:07AM | 0 recs
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This Obama quote is hilarious: "we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating that everybody buy a house. the reason they don't have a house is they don't have the money."

You'd think Obama would be the last person in the world to use as an example buying a house and lacking the money for one.  Because apparently that situation's not a problem if you have a decades-old relationship with Tony Rezko.    

by miriam 2008-02-05 09:57AM | 0 recs
I really did laugh out loud

That is priceless!

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-05 10:33AM | 0 recs
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I can think of one-

He has fooled miliions of people into thinking he has what it takes to be President.

by reasonwarrior 2008-02-05 10:19AM | 0 recs
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-Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

-After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

-His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

-Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

-Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

-As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

-He traveled to Russia with Republican ** Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

-Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.

- In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.

-Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

-Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

-Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

-Obama has introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.

-Obama and Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the "gold standard" for reform. It was because of their leadership that ending subsidized corporate jet travel, mandating disclosure of lobbyists' bundling of contributions, and enacting strong new restrictions of lobbyist-sponsored trips became part of the final ethics bill that was signed into law.

I really could list many, many more but I fear it would be too much to take in at one time. I hope this helps some of you know him a little better

by RJDotCom 2008-02-05 10:33AM | 0 recs
off-topic request

I have been arguing with someone about Obama's communication skills. I contend that while he is good at delivering a set piece, he is bad at thinking on his feet, especially under unfriendly questioning.

If anyone has links to youtubes showing Obama stammering and struggling to answer a tough question, please let me know. You can't embed videos in the comments here, by the way, so I need a link to a diary or a page at youtube.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-05 10:34AM | 0 recs
He got my vote today!!!

That is one accomplishment that Obama has done.

by puma 2008-02-05 11:43AM | 0 recs
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Apparently, if you believe Fox News and the right wing blogs he:

-- Graduated (probably with honors) from a madrassa, which is apparently some type of Islamo-fascist training camp for pre-teens;

-- Sought to ban all flag lapels and introduced legislation to ban the American flag outright; and

-- Became the first U.S. Senator from Illinois to be sworn into office using the Koran.

(Just in case you aren't clear, I don't believe any of this. This is just what various right-wing types are saying to spread fear-mongering among their flock.)

by lalawguy 2008-02-05 11:58AM | 0 recs
Thanks for the laugh.

I needed that.

by molly bloom 2008-02-05 12:17PM | 0 recs
what Obama has done for Black people

I like this list:

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/ 2007/11/27/jesse-jackson-needs-to-blame- media-not-barack-obama-for-neglecting-is sues-facing-blacks/

It's pretty extensive.

Where were the other candidates and why didn't the top mainstream media give lots of coverage when Obama:

   * Stopped Senate Democrats in their tracks when they tried to confirm a man who had screwed minorities over on voting rights?
    * Or when he was writing op-eds about injustices in the criminal justice system?
    * Or when Obama gave a speech about improving race relations and addressing poverty, but instead, the mainstream media chose to distort his speech to say that he was saying that black people wanted to riot. Why didn't Jesse come out and have his back on this?
    * Or Obama challenging the Indiana Voter ID law because it discriminates against blacks?
    * Or when Barack Obama was the first Presidential candidate to begin talking about the Jena 6 controversy and putting out press releases about it? John Edwards and Hillary Clinton didn't say much about Jena until the news came out about Jackson's alleged comments about Obama "acting like he's white." CNN never reported Obama's early press releases on Jena, but they put up Edwards' and Clinton's statements the day they were released. What's up with that?
    * Or his speech releasing a comprehensive civil rights agenda, especially with regard to equalizing the mandatory minimum drug sentencing laws? Well, I guess not everyone missed that one.
    * Or when he secured funding so that low-income minority kids could go to college?
    * Or his work to get voting rights for DC residents?
    * Or the fact that he wrote the foreword for the National Urban League's 2007 report, "The State of Black America: Portrait of the Black Male"?
    * Or his talk at the National Urban Action Network conference on issues facing urban blacks?
    * Or when he went on Tavis Smiley's show and did a full interview addressing issues of concern to black voters?
    * Or that he was the first candidate scheduled to appear at the Essence Music Fest, the largest black event each year and he appeared at the National Association of Black Journalists convention as well?
    * Or that Obama has developed one of the most extensive ground-level outreaches to historically black colleges and universities for a Democratic candidate probably since Jesse Jackson's run for the Presidency?
    * Or his work to combat pay discrimination for women and minorities?
    * Or his extensive work to help black farmers who had been discriminated against?
    * Or his extensive work on Hurricane Katrina, including recently working to test FEMA trailers? I appreciate Edwards announcing his candidacy in the Ninth Ward. However, there is no way Edwards' efforts on Katrina even come remotely close to the work Obama has done.
    * Or his efforts to control media consolidation which squeezes out minority media outlets?
    * Or did we forget about his July speech releasing an agenda to combat urban poverty?
    * Or his efforts to limit challenges to voter eligibility, which disproportionately affects minority voters?
    * Or his speech in SC to address education for all the disadvantaged, particularly the gross disparities for black children?
    * Or that he has carefully monitored and regularly addressed the Genarlow Wilson case in his stump speech while other candidates haven't?
    * Or his work to combat health disparities?
    * Or that he has pressed Bush on his policies towards the Congo, and pleaded with Condoleeza Rice to address the violence inflicted on Congolese women?
    * Or his continued push and noted efforts on America's policy toward Darfur?
    * Or his opposition to judges who do not maintain equality and civil rights for all?
    * Or his work on subprime loan discrimination which has disproportionately affected minority homeowners?
    * Or his work to bring minorities into the global warming/environmental debate?
    * Or his work to increase underrepresented minorities and women in the sciences and engineering?
    * Or his release of a detailed plan to combat AIDS/HIV in the U.S. and around the globe?
    * Or his work to fight teen pregnancy in minority communities?
    * Or his efforts to address the Latino dropout rate?
    * Or the speech he gave about gun violence in our urban schools?
    * Or when the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education did their own research and called Obama "a superior choice"?
    * Or that I haven't heard any other candidate eloquently relating W.E.B. DuBois to the problems of race in America and around the globe and to our foreign policy and national security?

And there is much much more.

by grg 2008-02-05 12:07PM | 0 recs
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oh god.

by omar little 2008-02-05 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: what Obama has done for Black people

I wasn't saying that actually.  What are you saying?

Are you saying that most of those things aren't of concern to all Americans?  Are you saying that achieving racial justice and equality isn't in the interest of all Americans?  Are you implying that being "for" Black people means being "against" others?  Is that what you're doing?  Are you saying that being Black should preclude you from doing things for Black people as a politician lest some asshole interpret it as "concentrating his efforts on helping Americans of his own race"?

Can you conceive of a situation in which your question would be asked of a white candidate?

Actually, I'm really not interested in getting into a spin war with you on fucking mydd.  I believe the title of the diary was "name an accomplishment by obama."  I named a few.  Apparently to some folks, accomplishments that benefit Black people don't really count.

Sorry if I inadvertently branded Obama as "the Black candidate."  I thought it was a pretty good list of accomplishments.  I don't think it would take me long to find a good list of "non-Black" accomplishments, if that's what you're looking for.  Or you can use Google and a slightly open mind if the primary season hasn't completely destroyed that faculty for you.

by grg 2008-02-05 10:41PM | 0 recs
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How about requiring taped confession and interrogations in Illinois? That's some push back on stuff that can slide over into torture and DOES.

How about Nuke-Non Proliferation funding??

by MNPundit 2008-02-05 12:08PM | 0 recs
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Well, maybe his first accomplishment will be to beat Clinton.

What are her accomplishments again?

by Drummond 2008-02-05 12:43PM | 0 recs
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[blockquote]A thought: This is quite typical of Obama supporters I encounter, even on many blogs. They haven't anything thoughtful or substantive to say.[/blockquote]

Of course I could replace the word "Obama" with "Clinton" up there and it would be just as true.

If you think as a collective group Obama supporters are more or less informed than Clinton supporters, then you got another thing coming. They might be more enthusiastic, possibly, but that's an entirely different thing.  

by Korha 2008-02-05 01:31PM | 0 recs
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I'm a clinton supporter and I don't like Obama that much.  But I've heard Hannity do this sort of thing as his "man on the street" interviews he used to do in which he'd ask random "liberals" random questions about the  government.  Of course, they always end up looking stupid because of the question he asks and his not letting the people think about it.  I bet if you had not put those people on the spot, the could have come up with something.

In all truth, I wonder how many Clinton supporters could come up with one acconplishment on the spot like that?  I wonder how many McCain supporters could? Or how many Romney supporters could.

The way Hannity acts is the way he's always acts.  We can expect more of the same forever and ever.  Liberal commentators and pundits just aren't as classless to do what Hannity does like that.  Everything that man does is mean-spirited.

by HypeJersey 2008-02-05 08:51PM | 0 recs
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Kickin ass and taking names?

by Forward with Feingold 2008-02-05 09:16PM | 0 recs

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