Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDATED x2]

Update [2008-3-4 16:49:19 by susanhu]:
"UPDATED STATEMENT FROM OHIO FOR HILLARY STATE DIRECTOR ROBBY MOOK ON TODAY'S VOTING
Voters Can Call (888) 472-9470 To Report Irregularities At The Polls" (The rest of this memo is at the end of the story.)

GET THIS STORY OUT.  TELL EVERYONE. If you are on the ground in Texas or Ohio, and notice any irregularities, you can report them to the Clinton campaign via this form: "Polling Problems." (And report irregularities in the comments below.)  

Update [2008-3-4 15:50:4 by susanhu]: Ben Smith at Politico.com is reporting that "Ohio official rejects Obama poll-watcher letter." ("An official in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State has written local election officials instructing them not to accept an Obama campaign letter (.pdf) as sufficient documentation for poll-watchers to polling places. ...")

Jeralyn at Talkleft has the breaking story, "Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?":

I'm receiving reports that contrary to Texas Democratic party caucus rules that preclude registration forms from being submitted before either 7:15 pm or the last vote at a precinct has been cast, Obama volunteers are handing out the forms at precincts today and asking people to fill them in and then collecting them. For Obama to submit the forms on the voters' behalf without the voter physically being present at the caucus would violate the rules.

Jeralyn, an attorney who's a legal expert for the media, cites the rules:

Participants may NOT begin signing in until the precinct convention has been called to order. The call to order may not occur until 7:15 p.m. OR whenever the last voter finishes voting at that polling location whichever is later. If, after the convention has been called to order and participants have signed in, any participant who wishes to leave may do so, and their sign in WILL count toward the delegate allocation for each candidate. Sign-In ends when the last person present waiting to sign in has done so.

Jeralyn asks any Texas voter who has witnessed this to let her know.  Then she cites more on the rules and includes some "disturbing reports from Ohio." Read all.

KEY:  We need you to get this story out.  Far and wide.  We also need you to find more instances, and to report them in the comments below.

Just an additional reminder that there will be bamboozling:

That's the most telling video, and it's from my piece, "There Will Be Bamboozling" and from my heartfelt confession to Hillary supporters about getting the Obama message BIG TIME, "The Choice (But I've Been Touched)."

In a campaign, it's one thing. BUT ON ELECTION DAY? AT POLLING PLACES? AT CAUCUSES?

Update [2008-3-4 16:49:19 by susanhu]:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 4, 2008

Contact: Press Office, 614-302-0632
ohiopress@hillaryclinton.com

** MEDIA ADVISORY**

UPDATED STATEMENT FROM OHIO FOR HILLARY STATE DIRECTOR ROBBY MOOK ON TODAYS VOTING

Voters Can Call (888) 472-9470 To Report Irregularities At The Polls

COLUMBUS , OH Ohio for Hillary State Director Robby Mook issued the following statement regarding today's voting:

As Ohioans head to the polls today, were seeing high turnout across the state despite bad weather.

It is inspiring to see so many Democrats turning out to vote today, and we encourage everyone to make their voice heard in this election.

While we expect voting to run smoothly, we have heard troubling reports of irregularities and inappropriate behavior by Sen. Obamas campaign across the state. We continue to monitor the situation closely to ensure that all voters rights are preserved.

According to the Atlantic Monthly web site, Ohio 's Secretary of State, an office held by a Democrat, has rebuked Sen. Barack Obama's campaign for trying to staff precincts with poll workers who presented insufficient credentials.

In Akron , a certified Obama poll watcher was removed by the presiding judge from Akron's 4M precinct for aggressively challenging voters.

In Cincinnati , we have numerous reports that Obama poll watchers have been reprimanded after wearing campaign paraphernalia into polling places, in clear violation of election law.

We encourage all of our supporters to head to the polls today, as we continue to work with local election officials and the Ohio Democratic Party to ensure that no voter is disenfranchised. There is too much at stake in this election for Democrats to stay home.

Voters who witness inappropriate behavior or other voting irregularities are asked to call (888) 472-9470 or log on to www.hillaryclinton.com and report their experiences.

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Tags: Barack Obama, Caucuses, Hillary Clinton, Ohio, polling problems, texas (all tags)

Comments

81 Comments

Clinton trying to manage any expectations

That's why all of these so called "abuses" are being circulated. It's disgusting, but I don't think anyone is surprised.

by highgrade 2008-03-04 10:19AM | 0 recs
Yes, no one is surprised

"Obama hired fellow Harvard Law alum and election law expert Thomas
Johnson to challenge the nominating petitions of four other
candidates, including the popular incumbent, Alice Palmer, a liberal
activist who had held the seat for several years, according to an
April 2007 Chicago Tribune report.

Obama found enough flaws in the petition sheets -- to appear on the
ballot, candidates needed 757 signatures from registered voters
living within the district -- to knock off all the other Democratic
contenders. He won the seat unopposed.

"A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he
has cultivated throughout his political career," wrote Tribune
political reporters David Jackson and Ray Long. "The man now running
for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first
entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by
clearing it."

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/n ews/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/

by KnowVox 2008-03-04 10:24AM | 0 recs
RECOMMEND!

Please recommend this important diary!

by KnowVox 2008-03-04 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: RECOMMEND!

No.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 11:04AM | 0 recs
you want to keep it quiet

If you have friends who are bringing extra questionaires to slip in when they leave, let them know they should also bring their PJ's. They'll be breaking the law if they try to vote someone's proxy. And tell your friends who want to record fraud to bring cameras and track those cheaters.  

by anna shane 2008-03-04 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: RECOMMEND!

I am not only recommending this important diary, I am printing it out to take with me to my caucus tonight.  

We do not need another GWB-type bamboozler in the general election and we especially do not need him in the White House.  

by macmcd 2008-03-04 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: RECOMMEND!

Yes!

by TxDem08 2008-03-04 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

I, too, was appalled when I learned how Obama took choices away from voters in Illinois.  That's not sporting and it's not democratic.

by Montague 2008-03-04 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

He protected Illinois residents from being the victims of identity theft.  That's a good thing.

by Adam B 2008-03-04 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

Yeah, and I'm sure the voters were delighted that they couldn't vote for their liberal activist incumbent rep. That was a wonderful thing. God bless those Harvard lawyers.

by Inky 2008-03-04 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

If they wanted that choice, they should have signed the candidate's nominating petitions.

by Adam B 2008-03-04 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

Even you would have to admit that's a pretty lame comeback. I'm sure that no one, including the candidates themselves, knew that they hadn't secured enough signatures until the irregularities were discovered, by which time it was too late to fix the situation.

Do you sign nominating petitions for every candidate you support? Let's get real.

by Inky 2008-03-04 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

I sign nominating petitions for candidates I don't support too.  And it's the candidate's job to secure enough valid signatures -- it's essentially your "job application," and you can't do it at the last minute.

by Adam B 2008-03-05 02:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, no one is surprised

Jeralyn at TalkLeft also reported Obama has filed a lawsuit in OH.

by annefrank 2008-03-04 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton trying to manage any expectations

Are you kidding?! You are ok with what is going on in Texas? Really?

by americanincanada 2008-03-04 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

what is the clinton camp doing about this.

Have you heard anything

by lori 2008-03-04 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

"Ohio's Secretary of State, an office held by a Democrat, has rebuked Sen. Barack Obama's campaign for trying to staff precincts with poll workers who presented insufficient credentials."

by KnowVox 2008-03-04 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Added it in an update with link.

by susanhu 2008-03-04 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Yes, will HRC a)cry, b)change, c)mock, d)play the victim, e)"fight", or f)be kicked out of the race by tomorrow?

I vote: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

by VT COnQuest 2008-03-04 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

here's a comment from the talk left post:

"I heard from two TX friends that they were offered those sign-in sheets as they were leaving the polling place, only to have them snatched back when they tried to declare for Clinton.  Don't worry--both friends reported this to the hotline the Clinton campaign put out.  My friends said he didn't look old enough to vote.  I would be hesitant to put this down as an overall campaign strategy and would more place the blame on an overzealous kid, or group of kids.
I wonder if a way around this is to confirm at the opening of the caucus that they only use sign-in sheets that are fresh out of the pack.  Each campaign would have to have someone there to verify this. "

http://www.talkleft.com/comments/2008/3/ 4/142712/2196/23#23

by campskunk 2008-03-04 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

And we wonder how he won those other states.

by gunner 2008-03-04 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

It calls every caucus into question...if true.

by americanincanada 2008-03-04 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Check out Daily Kos to see the kind of bullying and intimidation tactics that have been at the heart of the Obama campaign.  It's not all peace and love---unless you're an Obama supporter.  But if you dare to question, resist, or suppport Hillary?  Witness what's happening today in Texas and Ohio.

by izarradar 2008-03-04 10:41AM | 0 recs
Kos? What Kos? that place has gone downhill.

Yes caucuses are totally undemocratic, the sooner we  shine a light on that nastiness, hopefully the sooner they will all be replaced by primaries.

by Molee 2008-03-04 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Screw you.  The Maine caucuses weren't anything like that.  We are well-behaved New Englanders.

by mainelib 2008-03-04 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Except any caucus Hillary wins, correct?

Seriously, this entire thread is embarrasing.    

by Eric11 2008-03-04 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

I live in a caucus state and saw both Clinton AND Obama supporters turned away because they were a few minutes late. The state party website went crazy and the phone system wasn't working so well either so that many people were directed to the wrong location.  

Caucuses are a stupid way to select anything.  I'm sure if the results were reversed and Obama was not successful in caucuses, you'd have exactly the same response...not.

by newhorizon 2008-03-04 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Juat what are you implying?

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-04 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

The whole Clinton campaign has been dirty tricks, so this doesn't bother me one bit.

by mecarr 2008-03-04 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

hypocrit

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-04 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

It's really past time to eliminate caucuses. If you live in a caucus state and you are a real Democrat, work to change the rules.

We need primaries, not caucuses.

by OtherLisa 2008-03-04 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Maine doesn't need your advice about how to run things.  

Nearly every election we have the highest voter turnout in the country.  We also have same day voter registration.  I've heard purported Democrats say that we shouldn't have that either.

We have town meetings in many towns to make decisions for our communities.  And we have caucuses.

You do it the way you like in our state.  Don't tell us what's best for our democracy.

 

by mainelib 2008-03-04 10:36AM | 0 recs
Tell that to the people in FL and MI

They tried to do things their way and lost their delegates.

For state elections you can do what you want. But the national party can dictate how national delegates are chosen. They should work towards closed primaries in my opinion.

by ineedalife 2008-03-04 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Tell that to the people in FL and MI

Not the same thing - We didn't jump ahead in the calendar.

by mainelib 2008-03-04 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Absolutely!  No matter what, everyone should work together to craft a sensible national closed primary for national Dem races.  No more repubs picking candidates and no more caucses!  

I live in a caucus state and saw supporters of both Hillary and Obama get turned away because they were a few minutes late.  That's ridiculous.

by newhorizon 2008-03-04 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Absolutely, look at WA state.

by durendal 2008-03-04 06:11PM | 0 recs
Politico covering Obama's dirty tricks in Ohio

Politico is reporting on the Ohio problems:

Ohio official rejects Obama poll-watcher letter

Clinton campaign: "irregularlties"; Obama aide: Clinton "may want to depress turnout"

by grlpatriot 2008-03-04 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

If this is being done systematically, it could make a huge difference in the caucus results and delegate count coming out of Texas.  Only a small percentage of the electorate goes to caucuses.  If the results are padded with forms filled out throughout the day by people who didn't show up, that would be an easy way to steal lots of delegates from the caucuses.

Just one more reason why the entire caucus system stinks and needs to be eliminated.

by markjay 2008-03-04 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

I caucused in Washington state and I didn't witness any irregularities.  I agree though that the caucus process sucks and should be eliminated.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-04 10:37AM | 0 recs
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ALL I will say is if this continues, It makes it even more difficult for Clinton supporters to vote for Obama in the fall.

This is unbelievable.

And for people who are part of an African-American candidate, they should KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE who it feels to be disenfranchised!

Republicans do it to black people.

To comeback & do it to fellow democrats.

Sorry, we'll have a President McCain if you keep that up.

by labanman 2008-03-04 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Your authoritative source on these "abuses" is a MyDD diary by susanhu linking to another blog.  And you don't need any kind of vetting, any kind of clarification, any time for the story to develop...it's just gospel.  Moreover, it's unthinkable to you that the Clinton campaign could be doing anything similar.

Jeez, how sad to lose such a good Democrat.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

How do you think people felt about Clinton precinct captains closing Caucus doors early in NV, or the egregious startegy memo sent out to Clinton Caucus workers that was published in the Dallas Morning News (as opposed to unsourced gossip), you know the one suggesting that they take over the caucus if Obama had more people there?

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-04 11:50AM | 0 recs
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Consider this your anti-tip jar.  Daily character assassination gets old.

I give this my un-recommendation.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

This story is not being reported by the MSM.

by americanincanada 2008-03-04 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

MSNBC is covering the story right now.  SusanHu should be COMMENDED for bringing these problems to light.

by KnowVox 2008-03-04 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

No, it's not.  It's only by susanhu, alegre, DaTruth and linfar that these stories continually get any play.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Let's see who is trying character assassination here calling out names of the bloggers who report this story. Any idea?

by praxis1 2008-03-04 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

No, I'm not "character assassinating" anyone.  Are you disputing the assertion that the aforementioned diarists fill the rec lists with hit pieces on Obama?

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Don't call names. Discuss the points made by these diarists. If they are hit pieces, make your own arguments against these pieces rather than calling out the diarists. Have some civil discussion rather than attacking personalities.

by praxis1 2008-03-04 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

linfar, susanhu, alegre, and DaTruth are four diarists on MyDD that continually posts diaries whose sole purpose is to smear and degrade a Democrat.  They are often based on flimsy assertions and questionable assertions.  They often ignore logical or factual rebuttals. They are written with the specific purpose of hurting a Democratic candidate - standing in contrast to diaries that would SUPPORT the candidate they wish to see elected.

I will continue to call out their names so long as they are the ones who are continually writing diaries with the sole purpose of sliming a Democrat and getting on the rec'd list.

When I have time (and patience), I'll respond to their multiple attacks.  But for now, I will simply point out that those four diarists continually attempt to negatively attack Obama.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

In fairness both Linfar and Alegre have written pro-HRC diaries, Susanhu on the other hand has pretty much acted like a Freeper, seriously she'd be the person posting Vince Foster stories and Mena allegations if she was supporting Obama.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-04 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Ah, I see.  And if that is your basis, then I will agree with you.  Will you then call out the Obama campaign for using a 99% reprisal Republican attack ad against Senator Clinton, re: Harry and Louise?

I eagerly await your response.

by TxDem08 2008-03-04 05:55PM | 0 recs
Dispute, dissent

I'll dispute. Any comment or diary that Obama supporters don't agree with becomes a "smear" or "hit piece". Sounds like you cannot handle the truth; you want to smother dissenting voices. If that's the case, go back to the DailyObama.  

by grlpatriot 2008-03-04 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Dispute, dissent

WRONG.

It has NOTHING to do with whether I agree with something or not.

Todd posted a post last week showing that "movement" was in Clinton's direction because a TX tracking poll had gone from a 2-point lead to a 1-point lead.  I said that it was statistically insignificant.

Susanhu posted an attention-grabbing piece of crap diary like this and I said it was character assassination.

It's not dissent I have an issue with, it's blind, destructive, ignorant attempts to slime fellow Democrats.

Try to respond without saying "DailyKos", because I'm not posting that over there.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT

It's called campaigning-

You wring your hands wanting a tough campaigner (which Gore and especially Kerry were not) who will pull out ALL the stops-- and then you complain?

Hillary:  lack of planning does not constitute an emergency.

by Bob Beard 2008-03-04 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT

I'm all for pulling out all the stops, but not for breaking the law and trying to rig the results.

by Denny Crane 2008-03-04 01:35PM | 0 recs
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by John in Chicago 2008-03-04 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Troll Dust

This type of comment would work only at Daily Obama. I personally find attaching receipies instead of comments quite juvenile. Why would you do this? What's the purpose? To show that you are not capable of making any reasonable arguments?

by praxis1 2008-03-04 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Troll Dust

It's the standard response to a troll diary.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-03-04 11:18AM | 0 recs
Too much trouble to provide

evidence.

I guess anonymous emails are enough to get you people foaming at the mouth, though.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-04 11:11AM | 0 recs
Another unsubstanciated inoculation

from a Clinton staffer.  They accuse Obama of exactly what they are doing so when the Obama accuses them of doing it the truth gets lost.
Exactly what Rove does.

Hillary's campaign is one of the worst in history - right up there with Bush 2.
Its disgusting!

by Moonwood 2008-03-04 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Another unsubstanciated inoculation

Comment unfairly troll rated, uprate it.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-05 08:02AM | 0 recs
Ohio is bad enough but

in TX this is being reported:

In Texas, the reports get worse. Obama's team are evidently copying caucus forms and having their supporters fill them out prior to the 7:15 p.m. deadline when the caucus is called to order. This means the voter wouldn't have to actually attend the caucus, but instead would simply have the Obama team hand in the caucus forms for the voter, which is clearly against the rules, which are very clear:

"Participants may NOT begin signing in until the precinct convention has been called to order. The call to order may not occur until 7:15 p.m. OR whenever the last voter finishes voting at that polling location whichever is later. If, after the convention has been called to order and participants have signed in, any participant who wishes to leave may do so, and their sign in WILL count toward the delegate allocation for each candidate. Sign-In ends when the last person present waiting to sign in has done so."

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

by Soitgoes 2008-03-04 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN IS FULL OF SLEAZY BASTARDS TRYING TO DISENFRANCHISE VOTERS!

Don't let them get away with it!

Thank you, Susan Hu!

by Nobama 2008-03-04 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT

I've tried to post some of this information on Americablog, but they now have "site monitors" who very quickly "scrub" select anti-Obama posts.

by zenful6219 2008-03-04 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

I've checked the local news and have yet to find any verification of any problems in Southwest Ohio. I believe everything that is written in the diary. Just confirming that it is NOT being reported locally.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-04 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio

Reports about the Obama sleaze machine have been on MSNBC earlier today and perhaps elsewhere. For more, see:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/

Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/4/1 42712/2196

So, with Obama, we have politics as usual and his hypocritical supporters think that's fine. Check.

by Nobama 2008-03-04 12:49PM | 0 recs
Hopefully these are isolated incidents

And you do not have sufficient evidence to say "Obama's dirty tricks."

Isolated events do not a conspiracy or systematic program make.

Would you accept this level of evidence from a supporter of Senator Obama?

by chicagolife 2008-03-04 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

I just received a robo call from the Obama campaign telling me that anyone in Ohio could vote on the Democratic ballot regardless of their party affiliation. So they are indeed pushing the Be a democrat for a Day here in Ohio.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-04 02:22PM | 0 recs
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Oh please, both campaigns have been doing that the whole primary season.
Get real
by astronautagogo 2008-03-04 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

You are out of your mind. Hillary has NOT asked Republicans to choose the Democratic nominee. That dishonor is reserved specifically for Obama. And we have the proof.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-04 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

both candidates have been vying for repub voter support. both candidates have had their share of cut throat robo calling. Quite being such fundie absolutists for one candidate.

by astronautagogo 2008-03-04 11:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT

What about what happened in Vermont? How can a very liberal State vote over 60% against the true Liberal?
Massive fraud obviously...ferret this out..
Perhaps those in Vermont were just Pretending to be liberal...FRAUD I tell you..
please post the latest spin I mean facts from the Clinton Campaign.

.

by nogo war 2008-03-04 02:46PM | 0 recs
Clinton's doing the same- Susan, your response

Unlike the scattered reports of Obama volunteers doing this, there appears to be a concentrated effort to do this for the Clinton campaign.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/03/obama_campaign_on_clinton_s hen.php#comments

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-04 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT

As a Clinton supporter, nothing drives me further away than postings like the one here by Susanhu.  I'm not sure if she is really concerned about electing Democrats.

Really, really sad to see someone turn into a low class attack dog.

by PaulVA 2008-03-04 04:10PM | 0 recs
fuckin spare me, please

this is sort of shit is getting REALLY old.

can we move on to strategies for beating the republicans....WAY more fun.

by james c 2008-03-04 04:31PM | 0 recs
OBAMA IS A CHEATER

Cleveland precincts were kept open by a judge because of an application by Obama campaign. These precincts were cherry-picked because they are heavily African American.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-03-04 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: OBAMA IS A CHEATER

Um...The Obama campaign asked to keep the polls open because THEY RAN OUT OF BALLOTS!

The Clinton Campaign should be faulted for NOT joining in the Obama campaigns efforts to make sure everyone got a chance to vote.

by NewHavenDave 2008-03-05 03:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT
GIMMIE A FUCKING BREAK. Seriously, before this week I was quite supportive of either HRC of Obama. Since, HRC suggested that McCain is more qualified to be POTUS than Obama......she can fuck right off.
Throwing the whole damn party under the bus for her own ambitions. I've had it.
by astronautagogo 2008-03-04 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio? [UPDAT

Oh yeah, I MUST be a troll because I don't think Obama would be a worse POTUS than McCain.

by astronautagogo 2008-03-04 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Dirty Tricks in Texas and Ohio?

Hmm.  Sounds like what Clinton supporters did in Nevada.  (Where Clinton Campaign materials included a too-early close-doors time).  In fact, it sounds so much like it that I'm suspicious.  Here's the Clinton Campaign

You try taking short cuts.  It works, but fails to get you a delegate lead.

You realize, after working the refs for a while, that there is more hay to be made by claiming the other side is taking those same shortcuts.  So, since there is no systematic abuse as before, you seize on one or two incidents -- which may or may not be manufactured -- and you shriek to high heavens about it.

Clinton may have had a good night, but it's not one to be proud of.

by NewHavenDave 2008-03-05 02:59AM | 0 recs

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