Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of the "Hope" Panderer


-- Barack Obama selling his supposedly Democratic soul to far-right Reno newspaper editors

Actually I think it's far worse than Obama touting Reagan's sunny disposition -- "It's Morning In America" -- as an example of how to be president.

It's that Barack Obama is willing to say whatever, he knows, the people in front of him want to hear. In front of college students, he rails against "special interests," but when he sat down before the far-right editorial board of the Reno Gazette-Journal, he brought out his best Reagan imitation, all to get their endorsement.

By the way, that endorsement has backfired on Obama badly -- causing a hue and cry among REAL bedrock Democrats. Obama's official campaign site has scrubbed its front-page announcement. That's right: Obama and his campaign staff didn't know that, in Nevada, true Democrats despise the Reno Gazette-Journal. In fact, MyDD's Todd Beeton said the Reno endorsement will be remembered as "an enormous gift to the Clinton campaign."

Politicoquoted Obama pollster Cornell Belcher:  "'That hope and optimism that was Ronald Reagan' allowed him to 'transcend' ideological divisions within his own party and the general electorate." (Via Taylor Marsh.)

Obama really thinks that personality will do it?  As Taylor Marsh wrote today, "That Mr. Obama thinks Reagan was all about personality is frighteningly ignorant." 

Well, Sen. Obama, there was the public persona versus his private agenda: Ronald Reagan "borrowed Teddy Kennedy's nationalist rhetoric ... echoed Carter's incessant talk against Washington, and festooned his speeches with quotations from FDR," writes Sidney Blumenthal in his 2003 memoir. But, Reagan -- just like George W. Bush -- "was astonishingly successful in his plan to paralyze the federal government."

After a rush in his first year to pass an enormous regressive tax cut, accompanied by a large increase in the military budget ... Reagan was a president at leisure. He delegated his authority and paid little attention to detail. ... His achievement of presiding over a government that permitted the federal deficit to grow to astronomical proportions made a federal social policy virtually impossible to realize. Once he learned that the supply-side economic theory his advisers had advocated was backfiring, producing deficits instead of the promised Niagara of revenues, he was pleased with the deadening effect. He revived the grandeur of the presidency for his stage set but put the executive branch to sleep.

Who does that passage from Bluenthal's memoir remind you of? First, it reminded me of my 2005 story on President George W. Bush's deliberate starvation of federal agencies.

It also re-aroused my suspicions that Obama is not a real Democrat, given as he is to touting GOP talking points on Social Security and presenting far weaker economic stimulus and health care plans than his rivals. Are his real political views more like Reagan's than the Democraty party's? It's quite possible.

Worst of all, it reminded me of Obama's dreamy attitude about the presidency.  He thinks he can just be the "vision" guy and get "smarter people" around himself, and that the governing will take care of itself.  

Never mind that George W. Bush -- taking off where Ronald Reagan began -- has decimated all key federal agencies of their most experienced staffers and devastated the agencies' budgets, so much so that some will have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Where will that new president begin? The devastated Department of Justice?  The Food and Drug Administration?  The Consumer Protection Safety Commission?  Every branch of the U.S. military?  The Veterans Administration?  The Evironmental Protection Agency? Medicare?  The Department of Education?  

The list of essential federal agencies near death from personnel and budgetary starvation goes on and on. Then there's our decimated military suffering from worn-out soldiers and equipment.

The new president will have innumerable Herculian tasks to face. Only the most dedicated and hardest-working president will begin to succeed in rebuilding these vital federal institutions.

And Obama thinks that being inspirational will cut it?  That being sunny like Reagan -- one of our laziest presidents in history -- will get the job done?

Give me the worker. Good god, give me the worker:

VIDEO (Also shown in Todd Beeton's front-page story here.)

Todd Beeton quotes from Obama's interview with the Reno newspaper board:

"I have a pretty good sense of my strengths and my weaknesses," he said Monday during a meeting with the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board.

"I am very good at teasing out from people who are smarter than me what the issues are and how we resolve them," he said. "I don't think there is anybody in this race who can inspire the American people better than I can. And I don't think there is anybody in this race who can bridge differences ... better than I can.

"But I'm not an operating officer. Some in this debate around experience seem to think the job of the president is to go in and run some bureaucracy. Well, that's not my job. My job is to set a vision of 'here's where the bureaucracy needs to go.'"

Beeton refers to the YouTube video featuring Hillary Clinton, just above:

[Hillary Clinton] used the same phrasing [from her video] on a conference call with press earlier today to promote her economic stimulus package. We've all seen the details of her stimulus plan, it was clear that the point of the call was more about injecting this talking point into the dialogue rather than discussing the finer points of the economy. The danger of the debate taking this turn for Obama is evident in a response Clinton made to a question late in the conference call.

Beeton then quotes Sen. Clinton:

The president needs to run the government and manage the economy. You can't have a hands off approach, especially after George W Bush who has adopted that sort of governing philosophy. We have seen the disastrous consequences of that kind of approach.

Beeton, ever the savvy political observer, notes:

When Barack Obama says "I am very good at teasing out from people who are smarter than me what the issues are and how we resolve them" voters' minds go immediately to George W. Bush's reassurance to voters that he'd  be surrounding himself with smart experienced people. Shorter Clinton: we all know how that worked out.

This is dangerous territory for Barack Obama and I suspect is something that is going to have to be dealt with. She's making a very strong argument against a sort of hands off presidency and is presenting herself as the antidote to that; in other words, that she would constitute a greater change from George W. Bush than he would.. ...

If that not-a-real-Democrat gets nominated, I'll be watching "Mourning in America."

And so will all those young people so smitten with Barack Obama now.

Tags: Barack Obama, federal agencies, George W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Ronald Reagan (all tags)




we've never had a Reagan Democrat as a nominee.  Wow.

by Beltway Dem 2008-01-16 02:54PM | 0 recs
Reagan Democrat?

You think Obama's still sounding like a Democrat. So far, I'm hearing all Reagan and no Democrat.

by atdleft 2008-01-16 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Reagan Democrat?

The words "Reagan" and "Democrat" are an oxymoron. The man devestated unions and the economic policies of this country.

by KnowVox 2008-01-17 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Well,

This is susan's cynicism coming forth, just because Obama, like Reagan, intends to lead by principle rather than paper. On the other hand, if Hillary intends to micromanage, as Jimmy Carter did, she may be no more successful than Carter in office.

Still further, who cares if Hillary would micromanage the presidency. Her problem is not really how she intends to manage, but what it is that she intends to manage, her intended policies, which seem to be right out of outmoded DLC Clintonism of the 90s. Now if anyone wants to argue who is closer to Reagan on the question of policy or substance as opposed to efficient paper-pushing, I think we would have to conclude it is Hillary.

by shergald 2008-01-16 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

Your comments and tips are most welcome.

by susanhu 2008-01-16 02:55PM | 0 recs
Thanks again, Susan...

For getting the truth out here! We don't need a Democratic nominee who forsakes our very Democratic Party values to kiss up to Reagan worshippers. If Obama intends to win by triangulating like this, I don't want any of it.

by atdleft 2008-01-16 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks again, Susan...

"If Obama intends to win by triangulating like this, I don't want any of it."

Eh? It was Bill Clinton who accepted the notion of triangulating from Morris, if you recall, which became his mantra through most of his presidency. The short term for it is Republican Lite. Almost as a consequence, most of his best staff resigned, remember them?

Clintonism is now part and parcel of Hillary's agenda.

by shergald 2008-01-16 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks again, Susan...

Clinton, though, still managed to advance the democratic agenda, such as it was.

Even from an anecdotal perspective, my life improved immediately upon Clinton's inauguration, the biggest factors being an improvement in insurance coverage, and the family leave act.

(Prior to Clinton's election, insurances could refuse coverage of a pre existing condition, and do it with relative impunity, for instance, if you had an epileptic child, say, and you needed to change jobs, your new insurance could refuse to cover your child for epilepsy. Many otherwise productive middle class families were chained to a life of financial hardship because of draconian insurance leverage, and the misfortune of a chronically ill child, or family member. This meant no home ownership, ever, no new cars, vacations, savings, the things most take for granted, those with healthy family members, and good jobs -- Clinton changed this, at least during his term. Even his mere election nudged the insurance companies toward the consumer. Clinton also signed the family leave act, again, with an ill child, or family member, many otherwise responsible employees lost their jobs (and health insurance) or were unable to attend to critically ill family members. This law removed the constant fear of being fired due to your child being ill, say, which, when coupled with a chronic health crisis and lack of insurance, often led to the disintegration of the family, through bankruptcy and stress. George Bush, the first, vetoed the family leave act. The relief we felt when Clinton signed that act was palpable, the first time we felt more hopeful, and secure, about our future as a family.)

Again, tell me how Bill sold us out?

He made mistakes, I agree, but he always advocated, understood, and respected the lives of the middle class and labor. It is my impression  Hillary also understands these issues, and would advocate from her heart, as opposed to advocating because her consultant told her she should, Mark Penn be damned. And Hillary's efforts regarding the college loan programs have also benefited my family, providing protections through the law.

It is my impression Obama is clueless, and would not honor these standard tenets of the democratic platform, given how he continually  back stabs those who made these protections possible.

You get what you see with Obama, there will be no progressive democrat revealed once the election is over, there may not even be a democrat revealed...

Why are you voting for him?

I support Edwards, btw.

by Marsha1 2008-01-17 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks again, Susan...

Dishonest claptrap if I ever heard it. Here is the edited video in which Obama is allegedly praising Reagan. HE IS NOT. He is only explaining historical facts related to Reagan coming on the scene. The entire interview is not shown, obviously, because then Obama's statements could not be misinterpreted. Looks like the Hillary camp is in despiration.

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by shergald 2008-01-16 03:51PM | 0 recs
by shergald 2008-01-16 03:53PM | 0 recs
cynical nonsense
more nasty innuendo and attacks
Maybe we could talk about issues instead - just a thought
by Moonwood 2008-01-16 04:30PM | 0 recs
Barry Obama fraud, hope monger, liar

The guy shouldn't be sitting on the same stage as Hillary Clinton.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-16 02:59PM | 0 recs
Why are you so nasty?

by Moonwood 2008-01-16 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Barry Obama fraud, hope monger, liar

Given Reagan's notorious racism, it is unlikely that Obama would tread into this territory foolishly. McCain is running on the legacy of Reagan and not any Democrat as far as I can tell.
This segment which is apparently from longer interview, is decontextualized and I'd like to hear the full interview. It is only one minute long. In it I do not hear Obama praising Reagan, only describing what happened in 1980 and beyond.

What was the question he was asked? What was the follow-up or even the remainder of his response? I smell the antics of the opposition, perhaps from the Hillary campaign where we have been hearing a lot of distortions of Obama's record.

Dirty tricks and more smear? Is Hillary running that scared?

by shergald 2008-01-17 02:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

He has no ideological core.  None.  Reagan at least fought for his loathsome conservatism, ran AGAINST Democrats, and dragged some of the moderate country with him into the wingnut camp.

Obama is not subverting Repugs to our side.  Not at all.  He doesn't even seem to know there IS a side.  He is running on unity and love for unity and love's sake.  And throwing the entire Democratic BRAND under the bus to do it.

He's a walking disaster as a candidate or president.

by WMCB 2008-01-16 03:15PM | 0 recs
Its un-American

 "He is running on unity and love for unity and love's sake."
by Moonwood 2008-01-16 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

Perhaps you haven't read his platform. He's basically a 90 on the 1-100 progressive scale...

by mcdave 2008-01-16 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

I have read it.   I have also watched how he has run this campaign, and all the Democrats and Democratic constituencies he has attacked or spoken disparagingly of or thrown under the bus.  The list is very long.  He spends more time scolding Democrats than he does calling the Republicans to account.

I am not impressed with his work ethic in the Senate, or his signing off on Cheney's Oil Company Welfare energy bill. .  Nothing about his life or his work is impressive to me.  It's just not at that level yet, and I dont like the company he keeps.

No thanks.  

by WMCB 2008-01-16 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

I've long thought that Barack Obama is the Ronald Reagan of the progressive left. Ronald Reagan was a conservative who through the force of his leadership and personality won support from moderate Democrats and Independents, and in the process paved the way for a conservative majority that lasted more or less continually for almost three decades.

Barack Obama is a progressive who (we hope!) through the force of his leadership and personality will win support from moderate Republicans and Independents, and in the process pave the way for a progressive majority that will last for a very long time, hopefully forever.

by dmc2 2008-01-16 03:27PM | 0 recs
So let's not...

..try to move the country left the way Reagan moved the country right. That's a really bad idea. 50% + 1 and getting nothing done. Yeah.

by JoeCoaster 2008-01-16 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: So let's not...


1) John Edwards and Hillary Clinton are far more progressive than Barack Obama -- in their health care and economic stimulus plans, as two examples -- and in their rhetoric; and

2) the next president will have to rebuild those federal agencies that Bush has decimated and you need a hard worker to get that done, along with a cracker-jack team.  Obama think he can make that happen by having a vision?  Uh, I think having visions should be left for religiouis fanatics. We need workers who can lead, and monitor those they've tasked with specific assignments.

by susanhu 2008-01-16 03:42PM | 0 recs
I feel sorry for you

Vision is now bad?  This is probably the reason the party with the best vision cannot hold a majority.

by Moonwood 2008-01-16 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: So let's not...

If Obama was praising Reagan for his political skills and for his electoral prowess, then I'd agree with you. But he wasn't. He was praising Reagan for his conservative policies and ideology, and you know it.

Very very disheartening.

by adamterando 2008-01-16 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

You completely misread Obama's point.  Obama is not saying that his policy is going to mirror Ronald Reagan's.  He's saying that eight years of Reagan's big changes (which were very bad) much more fundamentally changed our society, and set the stage for future changes, than eight years of Clinton triangulation and incrementalism.  He's saying our country is hungry for change right now in a way that would allow a leader to transform the country as much as Reagan did, but in the opposite direction.   He's not saying that Reagan's policy weren't shit.    

by gobacktotexas 2008-01-16 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

Give it up. You can't sell that nonsense to Democrats who sat and cried on election night in 1980.

I can't tell you how angry it makes us to hear this Obama character trash LBJ's accomplishments in civil rights and then turn around and praise Ronald Reagan, who's fucking announcement speech was on the dog whistle theme of states rights delivered in Philadelphia, Miss.

If you aren't old enough to understand the significance of "states rights" and Philadelphia, MS, try Wikipedia.

by hwc 2008-01-16 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

I know Philadelphia very well, and I would be the last person to praise Reagan's policies.  But the legacy he left was a much more durable one than the one left by Bill Clinton; I have a hard time seeing how you could disagree with that.  You might disagree with the policies that he implemented (and I do, very strongly) but like FDR, the guy was no incrementalist, which is one of the reasons he was able to effect such big changes.    In many ways, he was a reverse FDR.   If you want a liberal counterpart who is going to be able to reverse many of the Reagan Bush Bush policies and set up a strong alternative liberal vision of society, he or she is not going to come from the DLC triangulation school of governance.    

by gobacktotexas 2008-01-16 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

No. Obama actually was praising Reagan's policies.

by adamterando 2008-01-16 04:25PM | 0 recs
No this is another Hillary campaign smear

Given Reagan's notorious racism, it is unlikely that Obama would tread into this territory foolishly. McCain is running on the legacy of Reagan and not any Democrat as far as I can tell.
This segment which is apparently from longer interview, is decontextualized and I'd like to hear the full interview. It is only one minute long. In it I do not hear Obama praising Reagan, only describing what happened in 1980 and beyond.

What was the question he was asked? What was the follow-up or even the remainder of his response? I smell the antics of the opposition, perhaps from the Hillary campaign where we have been hearing a lot of distortions of Obama's record.

Anyone have access to the full interview tape, the question Obama was responding to, the remainder of his response, or any followup questions on this topic of Reagan?

Swiftboating by decontextualization is a neat trick but it will eventually be responded to.

by shergald 2008-01-17 02:40AM | 0 recs
Re: No this is another Hillary campaign smear

And I think you've found by now that this really was a bad comment by Obama.

by adamterando 2008-01-17 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

And you can't sell that to me -- who spent countless lunch hours in downtown Seattle collecting signatures for a petition calling on Ronald Reagan to fire James Watt, his secretary of the interior who was dedicated to handing over federally-protected lands to private business to do with as they wished.

(I hope the younger people who didn't live through the Reagan years will ask some of us who did just how bad it was.  How frightening it was to see -- just as one example -- fantastic environmental protections being tossed in the trash.)

by susanhu 2008-01-16 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

If you are implying that I think there was something noble about Reagan, you couldn't be further from the truth.  What I am saying, and what I understand Obama is saying, is that Reagan had a more profound influence on our society during his eight years in office than did President Clinton.   Do you disagree?

by gobacktotexas 2008-01-16 04:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

"Do you disagree?"


"I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating.  I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."

He basically just validated the entire conservative narrative for the last 40 years. He might as well start talking about the "Lost Cause" for Southern rebels like the white historians of old.

by adamterando 2008-01-16 04:29PM | 0 recs
&quot;excesses of the 1960s and 1970s&quot;

Yeah, like civil rights, the women's movement, the EPA, getting out of Vietnam.

Rock 'n roll.  Sex.

I don't wanta hear that crap.

by Trickster 2008-01-16 05:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?
I will never forget how surprised I was that a president would put someone in charge of the interior who hated the idea of wilderness preservation.  
Now of course I expect it.
by MollieBradford 2008-01-16 05:01PM | 0 recs
Full Obama interview here

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl e?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso= news.rgj.com/breakingnews

50 minutes long but pretty interesting if you really want to dig down into Obama's philosophy. One of the more enlightening interviews I've watched in this race so far.

P.S. I don't really have to add that this diary is yet another false hit-piece by susanhu. It's really amazing how some people can look at what are very obviously three politicians with essentially identical policy platforms and divine out these incredible, apocalyptic differences.

by Korha 2008-01-16 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Full Obama interview here

Please point out an area where there are great policy differences between the top three candidates. You'd be on better ground talking about rhetorical differences or differences in competence or differences in execution. But all you have to do is look at Obama's policy positions, or his record, or his rhetoric, etc. and see that his ideas for government are nothing like Reagan's. The diarist's attempt to conflate the two is fundamentally dishonest and hackish.  

by Korha 2008-01-16 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

The quote from Clinton that a President needs to "manage the economy" is more revealing of her twisted view of the world than anything Obama said today.

We don't have a "managed" economy here in America, it's called a free market, with some regulation. And if there were anybody who does play a role in managing the economy, it's the chairman of the federal reserve board, not the President.

by dmc2 2008-01-16 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

I think you forgot to type in the Ron Paul website on your browser's address line.

by adamterando 2008-01-16 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

It's just a statement of fact. We don't have a managed economy here and won't anytime soon. Personally, I don't think it would be a bad idea, but that's just me. The reality is that the closest anyone comes to being a manager of our economy is the federal reserve chairman.

I think Ron Paul wants to eliminate the federal reserve or something like that. Me, not so much.

by dmc2 2008-01-16 04:42PM | 0 recs
Really, it's not a statement of fact

Far from it.  You called it her "twisted view of the world."  You think that's framing it neutrally?

by Trickster 2008-01-16 09:07PM | 0 recs
thenk you for the redstate rhetoric

it's good to mix things up once in a while.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-16 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: thenk you for the redstate rhetoric

One thing I find amazing is how statements of fact suddenly become "redstate rhetoric." I personally would agree that we should have more government regulation of the economy. I even kind of like democratic socialism as a model, where all of the major resources are owned by the government. But I'm just pointing out that this is not the case in America, nor is it likely to be the case under a Hillary Clinton presidency, so she's just wrong when she says that she'll be "managing" the economy. It's not redstate rhetoric, unless they are now the "reality-based community".

by dmc2 2008-01-16 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan?

The whole thing is frightening- he is asking Republicans to come in and decide our primary- he is acting like this is the general election- they are going to come in, choose him so they can vote against him in November.

It's madness- and praising Reagan, who he knows the gay demographic hates because of the AIDS epidemic and what happened back then.

The sad thing is, it looks like it all might work for him.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-16 04:26PM | 0 recs
&quot;The whole thing is frightening&quot;
This diary and sometimes this site is what is Frightening.
Why do you all spend so much time dissing Obama?
by Moonwood 2008-01-16 04:38PM | 0 recs
Spaghetti carbonara

Spaghetti carbonara

1 1/2 lbs spaghetti        4 eggs, slightly beaten
12-oz can SPAM, cubed 1/4"    1/2 cups grated parmesan cheese
1/2 cup chopped onion        1/4 cup chopped fresh parsley
3 tbsp olive oil        ground pepper
3 tbsp butter

Cook spaghetti according to package directions. Meanwhile, in skillet cook SPAM and onion in oil and butter over medium heat until lightly browned. Set aside. When spaghetti is cooked, drain; return to pot. Add egs; toss to combine. Add SPAM mixture, cheese and parsley; toss to combine. Season to taste with pepper. Serve immediately. Yield: 6 servings.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-16 04:58PM | 0 recs
President Hillary Wonkton

I need your help with this recipe.  

When I google places where I can get spam, the only thing that comes up is www.taylormarsh.com

by mboehm 2008-01-17 12:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Spaghetti carbonara

Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.  Seriously?  You are becoming a parody of yourself.

by labor nrrd 2008-01-17 05:43AM | 0 recs
He either has no clue who he is

or he is trying to be all things to all people.

The fact that he wants to have smarter people than him telling him the right thing to do is scary.  We are getting rid of this guy in dubya, do we have to rehire him in Obama.
No thanks, I want a president who is the smartest person in the room.  I want a god damned COO.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-16 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Hope&quot; Panderer

Reagan set the standard, (since emulated by Swarzenegger) that all you need are marginal thespian talents and an Easy Reader script on a teleprompter to become a successful politician. Obama is in the same mold.

by robert ethan 2008-01-16 05:37PM | 0 recs
more negative stuff

Do you ever write positive diaries? It seems like every day you write a diary about whats not to like about Obama.

by crackityjones 2008-01-16 06:59PM | 0 recs
It's a shame

I'll end up voting Obama if he's the nominee, but here's just another instance of why I get squimish when it comes to him. He wants to be this transformational figure, but he goes overboard. You know I really liked him early on, even flirted a few times with becoming a supporter. Right now I will do all I can to support Hillary for the nomination.

by Christopher Lib 2008-01-16 07:12PM | 0 recs
Ezra Klein nails it

Obama is sending a signal to the left as Reagan did to the right.

I don't think he is doing it as effectivley as Reagan, I think you need to be more specific.

by labor nrrd 2008-01-17 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of


by aiko 2008-01-17 08:48AM | 0 recs
Sock Puppet?

don't be an ass.  Susan has been a member of dkos for years.  Go look at her diaries there.  

by MollieBradford 2008-01-17 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Sock Puppet?

Pass on this one.

by shergald 2008-01-17 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of

meanwhile...from the one whose name is not be be mentioned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DhB9o-36 8M&feature=user

by nogo war 2008-01-17 09:16AM | 0 recs


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