Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort) [UPDATED]

Update [2008-2-26 15:30:42 by susanhu]: Jeralyn at TalkLeft writes up the Rezko trial today (and she is going to cover the trial, which is terrific since she is an attorney and has covered trials for the 'net many times - subscribe to their RSS feed): "Rezko Trial Set to Begin: Implications for Barack Obama." Jeralyn covers some of what I have below, and also reviews a NY Sun article that is substantive, saying "as the Post points out, while the Rezko trial is occurring too late to help Hillary Clinton, it may be good fodder for John McCain."

"Experience": Via Taylor Marsh, Obama questioning his own experience to run for president when asked in 2004:

Experiences (he's had a few): The Chicago Tribune reports that "Obama's name likely to come up at Rezko trial" (prosecuted by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald):

The name of Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama is likely to brush up against the impending federal corruption trial of Antoin "Tony" Rezko as the result of a judge's ruling Monday.

U.S. District Court Judge Amy St. Eve, who is presiding over Rezko's trial, told prosecutors they could introduce evidence to support allegations that Rezko used straw men to make political contributions on his behalf.

Prosecutors have alleged that the money came from fees Rezko illegally siphoned from a state pension board.  [Someone I know is researching the "coincidence" that during the three-plus months that Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama was appointed to the senate's pension committee -- just three months -- the senate prevented the consolidation of state pensions, which would have adversely affected Rezko's pensions schemes, that bilked millions from the state pensions.  The bald facts are there, but my friend is still digging for details. - SusanUnPC]

There are new developments regarding the Obamas' home purchase ...

It was a sweetheart of a deal, that directly involved Tony Rezko, who was already under intense federal investigation, and Rezko's wife. As you'll see below, several newspapers are reporting Tony Rezko tried to get a state appointment for the real estate agent who did the home sale/purchase, and that an Iraqi/British billionaire involved with Rezko"lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama's fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender." (By the way, City Nell's original article on February 4 here at NoQuarter -- "How to Buy a Mansion You Can't Afford" -- broke new ground on the story, and has been quoted widely across the 'net.)  

"Obama as a State Senator: Does He 'Deserve a Promotion?'," the companion article to last night's ABC Nightline provides some background:

Obama has been repeatedly attacked by the Clinton campaign for his ties to indicted political fundraiser Tony Rezko.

In 2005, Obama purchased a house for $300,000 less than its owners were asking, and Rezko simultaneously bought the adjacent lot from the same seller at full price ($625,000). Obama, who paid $1,650,000 for the home, has said that the price had been lowered because the home had been on the market for some time and that the price on the adjacent property did not move because there was a separate offer on the vacant lot for full price.

While Obama admitted involving Rezko in the purchase was a "bone-headed" mistake because Rezko was under investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office at the time, Obama has said that he "was confident that everything was handled ethically and above board."

McKinney said Rezko could come back to haunt Obama.

"It's problematic now because Obama day after day is now having to answer Rezko questions, now under indictment, facing trial during this election cycle," McKinney said, adding that any revelations during the trial would be "at best politically awkward for the senator."

Some new revelations appear to indicate Obama had involved Rezko at an earlier stage of his home buying than was previously known. The Obama campaign revealed last week to Bloomberg News that while Rezko was under federal investigation, Obama and Rezko toured the home and property together before submitting bids to the seller.

While McKinney considered Obama as a "pretty clean legislator" not unduly influenced by lobbyists, the campaign's handling of the Rezko matter makes him take a second glance. Identifying and returning or donating all the contributions associated with Rezko has proved a lengthy process, and when questioned by reporters in January, the campaign pointed to Obama's on-the-record statements that he didn't recall specific conversations with Rezko and was "not clear" how Rezko became involved in the purchase of the property.

"I don't understand why there wasn't clarity initially on those kinds of questions," ...

From the Times UK:

Mansion 'mistake' piles the pressure on Barack Obama

A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama's fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.

The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain's wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million.

Three weeks later, Mr Obama bought a house on the city's South Side while Mr Rezko's wife bought the garden plot next door from the same seller on the same day, June 15.

Mr Obama says he never used Mrs Rezko's still-empty lot, which could only be accessed through his property. But he admits he paid his gardener to mow the lawn.

Mrs Rezko, whose husband was widely known to be under investigation at the time, went on to sell a 10-foot strip of her property to Mr Obama seven months later so he could enjoy a bigger garden.

Mr Obama now admits his involvement in this land deal was a "boneheaded mistake".

Mrs Rezko's purchase and sale of the land to Mr Obama raises many unanswered questions.

It is unclear how Mrs Rezko could have afforded the downpayment of $125,000 and a $500,000 mortgage for the original $625,000 purchase of the garden plot at 5050 South Greenwood Ave.

In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations." ...

READ ALL of the three-page article.

Then there was Rezko's intervention for the real estate agent who handled the Obamas' home purchase:

Rezko sought post for Obama's home-seller

CHICAGO (UPI) -- Indicted Illinois fundraiser Tony Rezko once sought a state post for the agent who sold a home to presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, court records showed.

Court papers filed in Rezko's corruption case indicated he asked Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's administration to appoint Donna Schwan Jackson, a real estate agent, to the Illinois Council on Developmental Disabilities, the Chicago Sun-Times reported Friday.

Jackson is included in a list of people Rezko and others tried to get appointed to state boards and commissions, Blagojevich administration records obtained by federal prosecutors showed. Jackson didn't get the appointment. ...

City Nell -- in "How to Buy a Mansion You Can't Afford" -- also points out how Michelle Obama used her position on a preservation board to get the stately old home that the Obamas purchased under those iffy circumstances.

Questions?  I have a few.  More than a few.

"There Will Be Bamboozling":

Tags: Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Nadhmi Auchi, Patrick Fitzgerald, Tony Rezko (all tags)



Experiences (of the Rezko sort)

Your comments and recommendations, as always, are most welcome.

by susanhu 2008-02-26 04:54AM | 0 recs
Thanks again, Susan...

This whole Rezko mess is quite disturbing. When will Obama finally address the matter? He can't just hide from it and act like it doesn't exist. If he wants to be this party's nominee, he needs to deal with all of this before it bites back to hurt all of us.

by atdleft 2008-02-26 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Looking to the future........

What are you going to do with all your free time after next week?

I hear they have openings over at the McCain campaign.  Maybe you should apply, you certainly have a great deal of practice with Republican frames and tactics.

If on the other hand, you do consider yourself a Democrat, perhaps you might want to review some of your actions.  I hope you choose to use your considerable talents to help our party rather than to tear it down.  

by upper left 2008-02-26 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Nader?

Boy, that strategy sure worked great for everybody in 2000.

This is not a game, this is the future of our country.

by upper left 2008-02-26 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Looking to the future........

I don't think anybody is tearing down our party more than Obama.  He has divided us between himself and HRC.  He fails to acknowledge the positive work HRC and WJC have done.  His every word is 'exactly the kind of words that divide us' - to quote BHO.   There is no more divisive candidate that Obama.

by findthesource 2008-02-26 09:59AM | 0 recs
"Abusive" might also apply..check out

Jamal McCoy's piece...."Did Obama Abuse Race?

Read the WHOLE THING...but the last paragraphs really say it beautifully:

Now, for the larger argument, for those who still cannot come to grasps, or cannot cognitively compute, the way Obama uses race in his appeal to voters.

I enjoin you to find the category "white" in Obama's "People" menu. To tell me, where and how a "white" like Hillary, can place her "white" category on her campaign website, to mirror her and Obama's inclusion of the African-American category? Find me the last time Hillary said in a speech, "as a White, my story is your story." Tell me, why Obama can keep the quote I cite (right above) on his website, after having said he personally hadn't authorized the attacks his campaign carried out against Hillary for her Johnson remark? I ask critical readers to tell me, how our country's liberal media can get away saying Obama does not mention, or use race to his political advantage, when his campaign has made it all but impossible for Hillary to so much as attempt to state the obvious fact, that she and her husband have a great deal more history delivering for blacks, than Obama could ever chalk-up doing Chicago community work or playing hooky in Springfield!

With absolutely nothing to offer blacks in terms of policies, Obama charms them with vulgar identity politics. Oftentimes directly, generally by using the verbal gymnastics of religion, and civil rights. The media play not only the part of facilitator, but of prosecutor and judge. It is hardly a coincidence, that since the Johnson remark, Hillary's commanding lead with blacks dissolved, and along with it went her general vote.

Only a pathological liar, could claim Obama's seeming victory has nothing to do with the role of race in this presidential primary specifically, and American society in general. Nothing to do with the pathological liar who benefited from these political dirty games, and is now proclaiming himself victor with gusto and conviction?

Only a total idiot, could say that this abuse is good for America. It may be a useful political tool, but to think that it can be used to unify and reconcile our society, amounts to intellectual decadence.

by Gloria 2008-02-26 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: "Abusive"

Awesome comment!! Thank you...HILLARY IS THE CHANGE AMERICA NEEDS! -susanclare

by susanclare 2008-02-26 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Looking to the future........

Upper Left,

Your logic reversed facts. We grounded people KNOW we espouse Democratic values.

While you moovement people "Espouse" the old  "Yes We Can" stolen from the SC NAACP. and We are the Ones We are Waiting For stolen from Alice Walkers new Book.

So no - none of us are 'obligated' to vote for YOUR Messiah.

And I am among the many WHO WILL NOT!

by Grandma M 2008-02-26 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Looking to the future........

Then you are worth as much as run of the mill republican as far as I am concerned. If you think Obama would do more to ruin this country than McCain than by all means vote for McCain... just don't delude yourself into believing you are a good Democrat.

by JDF 2008-02-26 01:57PM | 0 recs
if he gets the nom

she'll ask us to and she'll unite the party. If she gets it she's likely to invite him onto the ticket. Even though he's run a sleazy campaign she is looking at the big picture, we need to take back the white house and we need to be practical.  But, in the meantime she'll do her darndest to see that it's her.  She's a true patriot. I'll do what she asks of me.  

by anna shane 2008-02-26 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: If Clinton isn't ou candidate, I will

In the running eh?

Doesn't in the running imply that they could, oh I don't know, win?

by JDF 2008-02-26 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Experiences (of the Rezko sort)

Why were you TR'd by crackcorn??

by annefrank 2008-02-26 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Experiences (of the Rezko sort)

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by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Experiences (of the Rezko sort)

Hmmph. No youtube embedding in comments allowed? I put the embed code in between <p> and </p>, so what am I missing?

by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Experiences (of the Rezko sort)

If you find out, let me know.

by OrangeFur 2008-02-26 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I call this story, &quot;The revenge of

I've thought of that many a time.  DKos just can't handle the truth.  It is really a very restricted site. Was she banned anywhere else because of it?

by Scotch 2008-02-26 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Experiences (of the Rezko sort)


AS always Terrific documentation, thoughtful and well written.

City Nell said to say Hello - She also thanks you for bringing this to our attention.

by Grandma M 2008-02-26 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

LOL.  Your window of opportunity to post more and more caharacter assassination hit pieces recycling old news is closing.  Good one, though.  Tomorrow, please let us know how Obama is a radical Muslim, OK?

by NJIndependent 2008-02-26 04:59AM | 0 recs
This isn't an &quot;attack&quot;...

This is real reporting on a real problem for Obama. Shouldn't he and his supporters deal these facts beforehand if he intends to be our nominee?

by atdleft 2008-02-26 05:01AM | 0 recs
Re: This isn't an &quot;attack&quot;...

If it is "real" reporting why did you leave out the bulk of the Bloomberg piece.  The sellers say that they didn't give BHO a deal.  Don't you think this is an important piece of the puzzle since your entire premise is that BHO did get a deal from the sellers?

Also, I would love to hear your explanation of this:
http://thememlingindex.com/hillary_clint on_net_worth-wealth.html

by 1jpb 2008-02-26 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: This isn't an &quot;attack&quot;...

Oh god.  The entire exchange with the sellers was WITH THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.

Not a single reporter has been able to talk to the sellers.

Then the Obama campaign sent out a highly "filtered" version of that exchange with the sellers.

by susanhu 2008-02-26 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: This isn't an &quot;attack&quot;...

Did you see the link above?

by 1jpb 2008-02-26 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: This isn't an &quot;attack&quot;...

She doesn't care about the facts, only about promoting Clinton.

What ARE you going to do after next week?  I mean, you'll practically be out of a job after Hillary drops out.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-26 08:55AM | 0 recs
silly you?

this is a story that can't be denied. Obama called it boneheaded, and he's received contributions from this guy. When it goes to trial we'll find out, but in the meantime Obama could speak about it, instead of dismissing it as he likes to do. It's inconvenient, sure, but he's asking to be our nominee at the most critical time. It's not his own weak spot, did you read that piece at MSNBC on his ignorance of the military situation in Afghanistan?  He is maybe a fine person, but he's not the smart choice this time. We need to know more and he needs to know more.  

by anna shane 2008-02-26 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

Typical Obama follower behavior:  All snark.  No cattle.

by susanhu 2008-02-26 05:34AM | 0 recs
Typical ...

Typical Clinton acolyte spin: only what the cattle leave behind.

by aretino 2008-02-26 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

How about posting something that is not a blatant character assassination hit piece sometime and then I'll engage in serious dialog...

7 more days until the vile Clinton smear machine is out of business for good!

by NJIndependent 2008-02-26 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

Is this why Obama lost in your state??

by findthesource 2008-02-26 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

Only to be replaced by the even more vicious right wing slim machine. This is mild compared to what is to come.

by DaleA 2008-02-26 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Thanks very much for posting this. I was very glad Nightline presented some of the Rezko connections with Obama for their audience. This needs to be a matter of public knowledge.

Perhaps as the Rezko trial unfolds the media will have to pick up on this story, I will be writing to MSM outlets to ask them to be fair and balanced and tell the entire story, not just do hit pieces on Hillary Clinton

by 07rescue 2008-02-26 05:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Not appropriate to troll rate NJIndependent's comment, 07.

There was no term of service violation or insult.

Troll rating comments with which you disagree violates MyDD's community guidelines.

by Cobalt 2008-02-26 05:32AM | 0 recs
Thank you

It's clear that Hillary is the candidate who is a doer and not a talker and that she is all about solutions and not just speeches.

by pastor john 2008-02-26 05:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you


You're more generous than I.

I'd say we passed "old and stale" a few hundred miles back down the road.

by Cobalt 2008-02-26 05:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

When are the people that run MyDD going to take pastor john out to the woodshed?

by Safe at Home 2008-02-26 05:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

Pastor John, is pure SNARK!

Eh,....., I hope. :=)

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

Perhaps it's stale because Clinton and her surrogates repeat it over and over.

by pastor john 2008-02-26 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

And it clearly hasn't been persuasive.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

And of course, nothing is ever repeated by Obama??

by findthesource 2008-02-26 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

"when the truth gets out it is going to make Obama look very bad."

Because you have intimate knowledge of the truth?
Because you work for US Attorney Fitzgerald?
Because of your many extensive meetings with Rezko?
Because of your many extensive meetings with Senator Obama where you raised this?

Or, as I suspect far more likely, because you REALLY REALLY want there to be a big problem here?

by Cobalt 2008-02-26 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

No, it's because Obama hasn't addressed this issue heads on.

His response to the issue with Rezko has been inconsistence to say the least.

I for one, want to hear the truth of this matter.  If Obama is clear of all charge, it's good.  But I don't want candidate with murky background to be the president.  

by JoeySky18 2008-02-26 05:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Oh, yeah, I don't believe the Swift-boaters, but John Kerry really should release his diaries, medical records and service record from Vietnam. You know, he hasn't released them yet.

If he'd just released every single piece of paper, he'd be president right now. The Republicans, and pseudo-democrats, would have just dropped all attacks on his service.

Wanna buy a bridge?

by Loreg 2008-02-26 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

and Repug attacked him.  and he didn't win the election.  and he endorsed Obama.

I rest my case.

by JoeySky18 2008-02-26 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Your case being?

When are Bill and Hillary going to release her White House records? According to the DOJ, he has the power to release those records. Wouldn't want a candidate to be less than fully vetted.

And, did you know she hasn't released her tax returns. Oh, she claims she'll release them when she's the nominee, but what in them is so bad that Democrats can't know about it?

See, this nonsense about full disclosure can be spun against any candidate, any time.

by Loreg 2008-02-26 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Take it from someone who practiced law probably more years than you've been alive.  Before you rest your case, you need to HAVE a case.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

and Repug attacked him.  and he didn't win the election.  and he endorsed Obama.

I rest my case.

Really? Okay. As a juror, you lose the case.

by BlueinColorado 2008-02-26 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience,

As you'll see below, several newspapers are reporting Tony Rezko tried to get a state appointment for the real estate agent who did the home sale/purchase

How exactly does this work? Obama bought the house in 2005 and then jumped in a time machine to get Rezko to offer the realtor a job in 2003 or 2004?

Or, was Obama just prescient enough to realize that: 1) he'd give an amazing speech to the DNC in 2004; 2) he'd be given a big advance to write a book; 3) that a mansion he'd like would come on the market; 4) that this realtor would be selling it, and; 5) wait, Rezko tried to get the job for this realtor before she sold the house? Then she wouldn't have been available to SELL the house! WTF?

I'm sorry, you guys are grasping at straws here.

Does no one here remember the Clinton Body Count? Crazy Republicans took every person that Bill knew that had died, ever, spun their death into "suspicious" circumstances, added everything together and came to the conclusion that Clinton was a murderer. You guys are starting (okay, have been for a while) sounding like that!

I've seen alien autopsy conspiracy videos that were more plausible than some of this stuff!

by Loreg 2008-02-26 05:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience,

Not to mention that it wasn't even the Obamas' realtor - it was the seller's realtor who was connected to Rezko.

by dannyinla 2008-02-26 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience,

yes. specially if it allows the seller and his agent have to be at one closing. its more common than  you think.

by Leftyy2k4 2008-02-26 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience,

Hundred's of times.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience,

The Trib article sounded to me like Obama has been fighting having his name come up in court. Apparently it didn't work and his dealings with Rezko will be a matter of court record.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience,

Um, where did you get that?

Here's the article.

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-26 07:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

The Rezko thing just further amplifies the inexperience that BO himself acknowledges. He understood years ago it would be ludicrous to run for president without experience...maybe his ego got the better of him.

Great diary. Thanks.

by seattlegonz 2008-02-26 06:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Voters are so stupid, aren't they? I hate democracy.

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-26 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

hate the rules of the DNC, which Hillary Clinton seems so eager to break?

way to unite the Democratic Party!

by fightinfilipino 2008-02-26 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

"Hate democracy in Alaska where 600 voters decided the outcome...."

Not sure what you are referring to?  Perhaps you are confusing state delegates with voters?

by soccerandpolitics 2008-02-26 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Hate democracy in Washinton state where the caucus gave Obama 37% margin but the primary only gave 3% despite having 2 times the voters...

Haven't you heard?  It was the Republicans and Independents.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

By the way, why is a prominent Clinton surrogate suggesting that Obama shouldn't object to a picture showing him in the the dress of "his native country"?  She repeated that line a few times, as if he wasn't a native-born American.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnLSkWulP VE

by mainelib 2008-02-26 06:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience

Obama has not had a single official say he did anything wrong here.
Patrick Fitz has already given him scrutiny and a clean bill.
The sellers de-bunked all the rumors spread by Hillary operatives.

Just re-hashing this stuff is not going to stick the 20th time you throw it at the wall.

But, if it inspires you to trash the presumptive democratic nominee, go for it.

by hawkjt 2008-02-26 06:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

What are you going to do with all of your free time after next Tuesday? Or have you already been hired by the other side?

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-26 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: The Democrats ARE the other side, when

Yep, it's the "you're either wid me or agin me" rhetoric. Well when 1/2 the party sits out the next election because they've been pushed into "agin me", it will be interesting to see how much that rhetoric was worth it in the end.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is pushing whom?

Obama has simply proved to be a better candidate who has run a better campaign.  The fact that he has been able to be successful when she had the vast majority of the advantages should suggest to you that he is a strong candidate for our party.  You folks seem to have a real problem giving Obama and his campaign credit for anything.

I am willing to give Hillary credit for being a strong candidate, why can't you give Obama any credit for being even better?  

by upper left 2008-02-26 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is pushing whom?

Obviously you don't see the freight train that's coming to run over Obama. Dukakis ran a better primary campaign too didn't he?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is pushing whom?

Don't assume your conclusion.  I think you badly underestimated Obama in the primary, perhaps you are underestimating his chances in the GE.

by upper left 2008-02-26 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is pushing whom?

No because the primary campaign he has run won't work in the general. Do you really think crying racism every time the GOP attacks will help him win the general? Or do you think that will work in the general?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is pushing whom?

But, somehow, Hillary, who has run one of the worst primary campaigns in recent memory, will be able to get it together and win the general.


by Bob Johnson 2008-02-26 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Who is pushing whom?

Why when asked about Obama do you guys always start talking about Hillary? Was she even mentioned in the post?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: The Democrats ARE the other side, when

Hey Georgia... I'm still waiting for you to take me up on my bet.

Stand by your convictions man,  put your money where your mouth is.  Take me up on my bet.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 10:26AM | 0 recs
Re: The Democrats ARE the other side, when

What bet was that?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 11:05AM | 0 recs
by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: The Democrats ARE the other side, when

Okay, that's an easy bet to make.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: The Democrats ARE the other side, when


If we don't cross paths before November 19th, at least one of us will have the obligation to write and post an apologetic, self deprecating diary for the whole MyDD community to see.  No excuses, nothing but groveling!

See you on the flip side!

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: The Democrats ARE the other side, when

Keep telling yourself that, Mark.

Twi national polls yesterday show that Democratic voters overwhelmingly prefer Obama.

But don't let reality intrude on the world you have constructed for yourself.

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-26 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain is the reality that awaits

And McCain will be obliterated by Obama in the GE. A young fresh new voice from the heartland of our great country vs. a corrupt, lying, possibly clinically insane McCain who can't even inspire his own party.

I like our chances. A lot.

by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 08:56AM | 0 recs
Welcome to the Reality Based Community

We'll see how plain spoken he is when he has to explain why he is now against his own torture bill that he sponsored, and also why he is for extending the very tax cuts he so vehemently opposed a few years back.

We'll see how courageous he comes across when it is widely revealed that he once was "brave" enough to damn the demagogues of the Christian Right only to turn around and embrace them years later when trying to get some conservative support.

We'll see how rectitudinous the American People view him to be after it is revealed that the very same lobbyists he claims to not be swayed by are the very ones running his campaign.

But I must say it's quite revealing to see you DINO's so eager to do McCain's dirty work for him. At least you aren't trying to hide your real intentions anymore, not that they were ever hidden all that well...

by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 11:45AM | 0 recs
Lack of Experience

Obama said it himself that we isn't ready. From the horse's own mouth in 2004, when asked about running for president in 2008, Obama answered: "I am a believer in knowing what you're doing when you apply for a job. And I think that if I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket, I would essentially have to start now before having served a day in the Senate." With his lack of experience, association with Ayers, and his mounting troubles with Rezko, the Republicans are going to define Obama as a shady Chicago socialist.

by grlpatriot 2008-02-26 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Lack of Experience

Well, I guess he figured out that he didn't need to start then.

He started later and is now ahead in every national poll and in the recent TX polls and in the delegate count and in the money raised and in the states won and in the caucuses won and in the primaries won and in the recent superdelegate declarations and in the pledged delegates won.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:47AM | 0 recs

Oh, but I'm waiting for the parade.

by grlpatriot 2008-02-27 07:26AM | 0 recs
Experience, and Experiences


and thank you for the information.

by LindaSFNM 2008-02-26 07:45AM | 0 recs
I always wondered how good people.....

..... could believe the nuttiest conspiracies about the Clintons. I still wonder, but I now recognize that its a disease not confined to the Right Wing.

Look, if y'all are so confident that the 'truth' (i.e, Obama is a Tom DeLay clone) will out, just sit back and wait till the convention. Once Clinton amasses 1229 pledged delegates (which she will), she'll be in a position to receive the nomination (1,229 + 796 = 2,025) in case Obama is as heinous a human being as you all insist.

In the truth that has outed so far, Hillary is getting beaten by a better campaign. Had she waltzed to the nomination as many of you had hoped, she would have entered the general election with a campaign manager so inept that she couldn't even keep the campaign afloat till Super Tuesday. For all your hand wringing about Obama, recognize that he atleast made the Clinton campaign better prepared for a tough election (which her campaign has zero experience with).

by crazymoloch 2008-02-26 08:41AM | 0 recs

If this story doesn't get traction with people beyond the Hate-Obama crowd by late July (convention time), can we then agree that all this frantic speculation is more hot air than substance?

by crazymoloch 2008-02-26 08:44AM | 0 recs
Hillary is gettng beat by a candidate the press is

currently helping and the GOP is helping. That will change. Anyone who believes Obama's polls vis-à-vis McCain is delusional or has no political memory.

Check out McGovern in 1972 or Dukakis in 1988. Hillary has been blowing Obama kisses so far. He will not know what hit him when the attacks start and his numbers will drop like a rock. As Senator Edwards says "he's a pussy".

The man was a state senator 3 years ago and the Dem's place a general election bet on him, asinine.

by mmorang 2008-02-26 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Diary, Susan!

How about considering the fact that Obama has an opponent who has his own ethical problems and will very likely have NO money between now and August to spend...Because McCain got into the public financing system for the primary race, he can't leave it until the primary period is done and that isn't until the Republicans hold their nominating convention in late August.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Diary, Susan!
Careful picking on McCain. He is the favorite choice after Hillary for some of the DLC'ers on this site.
by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: That's such a tired canard. In fact
And Obama kills McCain in states where McCain beats Hillary. Theres not one state where Hillary beats McCain and Obama doesnt as well.
by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Great Diary, Susan!

I've noticed most of the "I'm voting for McCain" people are gone and their posts deleted.  Thank god, that shit was getting irritating.

by Skaje 2008-02-26 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Is the working theory that Chris Dodd is a dupe?

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort
Point of information only
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Oba ma_s_Army_equipment_story_may_be_0226200 8.html
by nogo war 2008-02-26 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Taylor Marsh? ...TAYLOR MARSH..???  You're kidding right?


by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 10:31AM | 0 recs
Hey Susan: I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by mikelewis68 2008-02-26 10:44AM | 0 recs
let's put this inanity to bed

Rezko got buried because it's a non-story.  what's incredible is that Susan Hu and folks like her are fabricating the kind of political slander narrative that begs for tinfoil hats.  AT WORST, Obama made a house/land purchase through a scummy guy who had connections to many politicians.  

what's worse than that is that one of the prime sources of evidence, Taylor Marsh, is an outright liar.

how this diary even got recommended is baffling to me, as it has as much credibility as the slander campaign trying to paint Obama as a Muslim insurgent trying to take over the U.S.  it takes disparate stories, the scandalous activities of Rezko, and tries to pin them to Obama despite the fact that they are grotesque distortions.

even the Clintons had their photo taken with Rezko.  i suppose that must mean they are corrupt to the core!

by fightinfilipino 2008-02-26 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: let's put this inanity to bed

It's going to trial Monday. They are going to talk about Obama.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: let's put this inanity to bed

A non-story in the Dem primary when the press hates Clinton is not a non-story in the general election. Obama will be destroyed by the GOP and media. $500 million will not be enough to counter what's coming.

His wife, for gods sake, just became "really" proud of America on the night Obama won some primaries. Him winning that day she became proud, we are told, had nothing to do with it, that was just a coincidence.

Obama will not win one red state and he certainly won't win any southern states...unless the counrty has grown up, which I doubt. We will see. My guess is that he is a terrible bet for the Dem's.

by mmorang 2008-02-26 11:47AM | 0 recs
Yes We Can

Michelle: I really love this house but we just can't afford it right now.

Barack: Yes we can

Michelle: Based on the sellers bottom-line price the banks say our debt ratio is too high, there's no way we can buy it now, especially with everything else that's going on

Barack: Yes we can

Michelle: I hope you're not thinking what I think you're thinking. Barack, listen, we can put this dream on hold for a while. You want to be president in a few years. We can't get Rezco to help us out on this one, no way!

Barack: Yes we can!

by mmorang 2008-02-26 11:29AM | 0 recs
The &quot;Home and Garden&quot; Scandal of Obama

As the Time UK article suggests this will eventually be known as Obama's "Home and Garden" scandal. What do you do if you can't afford a mansion along with its garden but have a few "crooked friends" willing to obilige? You buy the home and have your friends buy the garden who then leave it undeveloped for years for your kids to play in. Quoting from the Time UK article -

"Mr Obama says he never used Mrs Rezko's still-empty lot, which could only be accessed through his property. But he admits he paid his gardener to mow the lawn."

Color me skeptical but too many things don't add up: convenient same day closing, your years to relationship with Rezko, the property remaining undeveloped for years, your gardener mowing the "somebody else's" property. I am now truly ready to be "inpired" to try similar trickery in life to get ahead.

Plus keep in mind how quickly Obama encashed his celebrity status arising from the 2004 conventions speech in the form of a $million plus book advance allowing him to buy the mansion in the first place. Puts him in the same league as Newt Gingrich, doesn't it? May be now they will say that Clinton supporters have a "book envy"

Anyway disgusted as I am, I clos ethis comment with the folllowing hypothetical exchange between Obama and his kids:

Obama Kids: "Daddy, can we play in the Garden that uncle Rezko bought for us?"
Obama: "Yes, We Can!"

by ScottinNJ 2008-02-26 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The &quot;Home and Garden&quot; Scandal

So the scandal is that his kids get to play in the adjoining yard?

That's it?

by mainelib 2008-02-26 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: The &quot;Home and Garden&quot; Scandal

Well unless Rezko has a track record of buying Graden yards for all and sundry ... in which case I recommed that he be awarded the Noble prize for whatever and be felicitated in a future White House cermony by a future President Obama .. excuse me for a minute while I go somewhere and puke ... However me believe that characters like Rezko buy Gardens for an up an coming Chicago politician for a purpose .. like an "investment" or something. I thought this is something they would cover in Ethics 101 or something .. but what do I know. This along with the celebrity status encashing million plus book advance tells me a lot about Obama.

by ScottinNJ 2008-02-26 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

Ya know...
Obama Kids: "Daddy, can we play in the Garden that uncle Rezko bought for us?"
Obama: "Yes, We Can!"

Don't quit your day job to become a person dealing with satire...
may I suggest you visit
as starters..
then get back to us....

by nogo war 2008-02-26 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

And what is this scandal about, exactly?

I ask because I truly, sincerely, haven't figured it out.

Is there a quid pro quo?  What favor is Obama alleged to have done for the favor of having his kids able to play in the yard?

by mainelib 2008-02-26 02:30PM | 0 recs
We may be fucked already.

Even if there is nothing to this, just the questions about it and insinuations could sink us in the fall.  It would be all the more damaging because Obama has tried to come off as pure, and so much above corruption and all things worldy and tempting in politics.  There would be quite a contrast there for people to see.  We may be fucked.

by Scotch 2008-02-26 02:42PM | 0 recs
So Obama is a gardener?

I did not know that. Does he wear a suit to garden in?  I have never seen and cannot picture him dressed causually with his hands all dirty.

by Scotch 2008-02-26 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Experience, and Experiences (of the Rezko sort

This is why I believe Hillary should STAY in the race regardless of the Mar 4 outcomes.

Unless Obama simply blows it out of the water, if it is close regardless of Mar 4 outcome, I think Hillary should stay in this at least thru PA and that way we can see how Obama stands up against Rezko and continued right wing attacks.....

by nikkid 2008-02-26 06:27PM | 0 recs


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