• comment on a post President Obama Launches His Re-election Campaign over 3 years ago

    I popped my head in to see if heads of BJJ or Changeagain were exploding in response. I really think that Jerome needs to simply take this site down already.  He sabotaged it (Landsman and your exit were key moments in that) and now needs to put it to rest with dignity.

  • on a comment on The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    1. That one exception is not the only one and it is so major it does indeed undermine the entire argument and reveals it as a partisan political attack, not analysis.

    2. Is Giraldi, a One Stater, what you call a "Zionist of the Greater Israel Kind?"

    3. You  are welcome to keep your "old advice."  Your condescension doesn't make your flawed and simplistic analyses any more convincing.  You cite the "demographic time bomb" fear.  Everyone in Israel admits on some level that things are getting less and less sustainable.  But they are paralyzed by paranoia, ideology, and some reasonable fears that  those who have suffered will demand satisfaction through violence.

    4. In a State of all its citizens, those refugees would have enormous representation and political power to address all of these issues.  This is why Zionists reject it as their nightmare scenario.  It would be the end of the Jewish State, the end of political Zionism.  That's why many of the people you admire support it.  

    5. I've explained this to you many times.  I have no doubt that you are capable of comprehending this.  But you can't because the architecture of your ideological universe cannot assimilate it without some rearranging.  So you keep equating two opposite scenarios.  It's really like calling Obama a Marxist Jihadi Corporate NAZI shill, as if those things are the same.  It's as if the demise of Apartheid, the extension of citizenship and enfranchisment and the removal of formal racial barriers has led to...Apartheid.  Absurd.  It's an absurdity that reveals ideological over-determination.

    6.  This has been a bit nostaligic.  But I'm no longer interested in debating you.  It's like debating a tape recorder on a loop.  So this is my last offering.  Feel free to attack me as you always end up doing, and continue to do so in my absence (I lurk in this graveyard of a blog from time to time).  Not only will I not bother to refute your inevitable ad hominems.  I won't bother to read them.

  • on a comment on The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

     

    "One State = Greater Israel Is there any doubt about that equation?" No only is there "doubt," it's a ludicrous formulation that suggests some of the most committed progressive voices, including many important Palestinian voices like Ali Abunimah are supporters of Greater Israel. It also means you are aiding the Greater Israel cause by disseminating a One Statist polemic against an organization that is committed to a Two State solution. Look, if 5-6 million Palestinians were fully enfranchised within the State, it would be impossible to shut off their water and maintain the chauvanistic elements of the state and still operate at all.  You still haven't answered my question.  It's a simple question.  If One State supporters are "Zionists of the Greater Israel Kind," why are you disseminating their propaganda?

    "One State = Greater Israel Is there any doubt about that equation?"

    Not only is there "doubt," it's a ludicrous formulation that suggests some of the most committed progressive voices, including many important Palestinian voices like Ali Abunimah are supporters of Greater Israel.

    It also means you are aiding the Greater Israel cause by disseminating a One Statist polemic against an organization that is committed to a Two State solution.

    Look, if 5-6 million Palestinians were fully enfranchised within the State, it would be impossible to shut off their water and maintain the chauvanistic elements of the state and still operate at all.  And clearly Dayan's strategy can't work.  The fact that some delusionals on the right believe it is simply evidence of their delusion. 

    You still haven't answered my question.  It's a simple question.  If One State supporters are "Zionists of the Greater Israel Kind," why are you disseminating their propaganda?

     

  • comment on a post Nation needs a Democrat to challenge Obama over 3 years ago

    Wait, let me explain...

    Hamsher!  Hamsher!  Hamsher!

    sigh

  • on a comment on The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

     

    So why are you disseminating a polemical attack on an organization that supports a two state solution from a "Zionist of the Greater Israel kind" as you label all supporters of a One State solution? And I agree things look bleak.  But the Greater Israel adherents are doomed.  They will never be able to force a population equal to their size (or greater) to accept political and economic disenfranchisement.  Apartheid proved temporary, this will prove so much quicker.  The only question is whether its dissolution here will prove as successful as it has in SA, not that it has been perfect there.  But it could be much more painful.  They can't win long term.  It's just not sustainable.

    So why are you disseminating a polemical attack on an organization that supports a two state solution from a "Zionist of the Greater Israel kind" as you label all supporters of a One State solution?

    And I agree things look bleak in the near term.  But the Greater Israel adherents are doomed.  They will never be able to force a population equal to their size (or greater) to accept political and economic disenfranchisement.  Apartheid proved temporary, this will prove so much quicker.  The only question is whether its dissolution here will prove as successful as it has in SA, not that it has been perfect there.  But it could be much more painful.  They can't win long term.  It's just not sustainable.

     

  • on a comment on The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    Yes.  Dark days indeed.  This was my point about the occupation's deadly effects on Israeli civil society.  Even ten years ago it would have been difficult to imagine loyalty oaths or efforts to shut down NGOs getting any real support.  Sometimes perspectives change material realities, and sometimes we need to change those material realities to change perspectives.  Racism flourished under Jim Crow.  The eroding of racism did not lead to the end of Jim Crow, the challenge and collapse of Jim Crow eroded racism.

    But my pessimism at present is only tempered by the idea that what is happening now will ultimately prove economically and politically unsustainable.

  • comment on a post The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    it was founded by Meron Benveniste.  It's staff is both Jewish and Palestinian.  They track abuses of all kinds, including human rights abuses within the Palestinian authority.  No organization is 100% accurate, but they are a credible (and laudible) organization.  The name comes from Genesis, where God creates humanity b'tselem [in the image of] God.  

    One of the worst things going on right now in internal Israeli politics is an initiative by several right wing legislators to impede funding for NGOs, B'Tselem being one of the foremost.  These are the same folks who claim privileges because "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East" and tout it as an enlightened society.  Enlightened democracies don't squash non-profit human rights organizations.  Of course, these are the same hypocrites who want to impose loyalty oaths on their citizens.  Many Jews on the left, in Israel and around the world, have been sounding an alarum for years now that the occupation is as much a threat to Israel's civil society and democracy as it is to Palestinians.  We're seeing that manifest now.

  • on a comment on The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    Oops, I meant paragovernmental organizations COMPARABLE to the Jewish Agency.  Unlikely that the JA would be the one supporting resettlement of refugees and/or rebuilding of Palestinian villages.

  • on a comment on The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    So, the article you posted here is by a Zionist of the Greater Israel kind?  Meron Benveniste and Jeff Halper are Zionists of the Greater Israel kind?

    A real two state solution, as you call it, is better BECAUSE both peoples involved seek cultural and national self-determination through a designated nation state.  That's why I support it.  But I this formulation, that every national identity requires its own state, belongs to a particular recent period of history, and has proven flawed.  How can South Africa serve as the expression of Boer, English, Xosa, Zulu and other identities?

    What you seem to overlook is that given the deep economic inmbrication Israel and Palestine, as well as difficulty in separating water and other resources, an absolute separation is neither possible not desirable for either side.  In a One State solution, refugees could go anywhere they could afford, and my guess is that paragovernmental organizations, like the Jewish Agency, would help fund resettlement.  Some would indeed even be able to reestablish villages.

    But again, as long as both sides prefer two states, I will support two states.  It just doesn't promise to be the utopian solution you think it would be.

    But mostly, I still cannot for the life of me understand why someone with your positions would post a blanket condemnation of JStreet, which opposes setllements and supports a genuine two state solution, by a One State polemicist, whom I nonetheless believe cannot be classifed as a Zionist of the Greater Land of Israel kind.  You have conflated these perspectives without grounds or basis for years on this site.  It's pretty clear that this piece undermines it, as it seeks to undermine the Two State solution that you hold sacrosanct.

  • comment on a post The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    JStreet still supports two states with fully equitable landswaps.  That means that a certain number of settlements will indeed require dismantling.  This critique of JStreet is fully framed as a One State partisan attack.  So it's odd to me that you would use it.  I indeed see some inconsistencies in JStreet positions, but to equate them with AIPAC is a polemic by a one-state supporter and doesn't pass muster with anyone who has basic reading comprehension skills.  Again, they oppose all settlement expansion.

    As for this:

    The Jewish Israelis just don't want to be associated with them, the "Arabs," and no one can see that changing anytime soon.

    Oh dear, this huge generalization verges on, well I won't say it.  Suffice it to type that I know plenty of Jewish Israelis who don't feel this way at all and indeed believe that the current political reality feeds racism.  Change the reality, and poll numbers will shift.  

    But this is just another oversimplifying prediction that is more polemic than analysis:

    One State gives Israel the Greater Israel it has been moving toward for the past 40 years, but it gives nothing to the Palestinians except their disappearance as a unique Arabic people.

    Since you are keen on the South Africa analogy, I'll point out that the demise of Apartheid has not meant the disappearance of it's non-white populations as unique African peoples.  This only works if you assume that Palestinians will convert and assimilate, or be kept in bantustans.  No one-state solution pproposes either as desireable or realistic.  In a single democratic state in which 50% or more of the population is Palestinian, it's nor credible to believe they would either assimilate or fail to exercise their demographic/democratic power for materialand cultural issues.  In fact, this is what scares otherwise liberal Zionists about the "state for all its peoples" concept, as it's discussed in Israel.

  • comment on a post The J Street Scam over 3 years ago

    It opposes expansion of the Israeli settlements on the West Bank because they are an obstacle to peace.

    I would call that a substantive difference with AIPAC that the writer here dismisses. I don't hold with all of JStreet's positions, but they have been clear with regard to this, which I think is the central impediment to a negotiated solution.  But of course this writer doesn't back a two state solution at all:

    J Street quixotically supports a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict, even though it knows that the half million Israeli Jews living in settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank cannot be moved and will make two states impossible.  It does not accept a one-state solution, the only one likely to work, that would make the followers of all religions equal citizens in a unified state embracing both Arabs and Jews.

    Have you gone over into the One State camp?  You know my position: As long as a majority of Palestinians support two states, that should be the paradigm, flawed as it is on many levels.  But I do think that the ship of feasibility for it may have sailed.  In some senses, a One State arrangement, of confederated state would be ethically superior and potentially more sustainable.  But it requires a sea change.  The best way to bring about a sea change at this point would be a mass drive of Palestinians applying for Israeli citizenship.  Israelis would then need to choose: separation vs. standing in the way of a civil rights struggle. 

  • rejecting some of Obama's corpratist policies as crap (along with Reagan's and Clinton's corpratist policies by the way) is hardly "dumping" on him.  I'd vote for him again and plan to.  I can't get the president I want.  You play the cards you are dealt.  Obama's a mixed hand, but a better one than most viable alternatives at present.

    And Wisconsin?  Since when do you care about Labor?  I thought you were a reagan democrat.  Not exactly a pro-labor president in my book.

  • Oh dear.

    Let's just ignore that Reagan instituted economic policies that set off the exponential increase in income inequality that continues to this day.

    Many of us think the term Reagan Democrats makes about as much sense as Franco syndicalists.  The fact that there are Reagan democrats indicates just how confused people are.

    And spare us the Glenn Beck boilerplate about Obama hating America.  It's sheer propaganda.  Of course, if one doesn't actually have the ability to construct an argument, I guess that propaganda is all one has...

    As for Clinton, some good and some bad.  N. Ireland very good.  Welfare reform, very bad.  Increasing the reagonomic increase in income inequality, potentially disastrous.

    And he was indeed impeached for purely political reasons, by Reagan zealots who made hay out of the man's stupid and reprehensible behavior.  Not impeachable, but he gave Reagan's restless army the ammunition to obstruct.  Cost the nation precious time and money, so he doesn't get a full pass in my book.  But then, I think politicians are politicians, not saints or minions of the devil.

    BTW, BJJ, where do you think Obama was born?

  • You have me confused with someone else.  Never part of any Amen chorus.  Always had a realistic view of both Clinton and Obama.  

    http://mydd.com/dna/posts/58529

    So save the name calling.  It just amplifies your lack of ability to formulate an argument.  Sorry that I simply don't conform to what you need me to be.  You've tried over and over and over to set me up as your straw man.  It's really quite sad.  So I don't think I'll go fuck myself.  But I do think it even sadder that you seem to think that calling me an asshole and setting yourself up as the arbiter of what I or anyone else knows about politics means anthing to me or anyone else.  

  • comment on a post Clinton Resign: Free Speech Needs a Champion over 3 years ago

    do give the impression of traffic...

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