Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Chuck Todd, former editor of The Hotline, looks at the presidential race and sees only one candidate who can unite all the warring factions of the GOP-- Hillary Clinton.

Don't count the powerful right wing propaganda machine out and don't assume that voters will automatically annoint any Dem nominee.
OLBERMANN: Let`s call in NBC News political director, Chuck Todd.

Thanks for your time tonight, Chuck.


OLBERMANN: Given the early reaction to McCain, Right wing radio, these guys at the fringe or apparently trying to draft Herbert Hoover or somebody. Does McCain have prayer (ph) of pulling what he just said of? Can he bring different parts of this incredibly desperate party together?

TODD: One big if. If the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton. And that`s what he`s counting on and that`s what makes the Democratic race become more fascinating now. Now that it looks like the Republicans are going to have a nominee. Because John McCain is much stronger and much more capable of keeping the Republican Party together and the conservative movement together if the opponent is Hillary Clinton.
If it`s Barack Obama, you know, then all of a sudden, all these scenarios, a third party challenger, you know, a challenge from the right, a challenge in the middle. Then, suddenly, he could face some problems.

OLBERMANN: And what are the chances this keeps getting worst internally and not better and they really run a third party candidate and maybe two of them. Maybe there`s a Tom Tancredo, practical conservative and there`s a religious conservative, Huckabee. That could be four candidates, is that possible?

TODD: Well, I think a lot of it has to do with who the Democrats nominate. You know, Hillary Clinton solves all of John McCain`s problems. He keeps everybody calm, keeps everybody sort of inside the big tent. If you know, the opponent is Obama, then all bets are off. But, I think that McCain obviously is going to have, it may take that McCain has to start not just naming a running mate early, but start naming some cabinet members early. Start trying to keep different wings of the party happy. He may have to create a whole team of running mates to keep certain members happy. I mean, on the running front, you know, look, Mike Huckabee right now is the reason why John McCain is probably going to have this nomination sawn up on February 5th. He is serving as this 15 percent siphon of a potential Mitt Romney vote, that Romney has not been able to get the social conservatives and the economic conservatives in his tent. If he could, he could probably take McCain in a one on one. It would be very close. McCain has corralled the 40 percent of moderates that are there in the party. And there are 40 percent. It`s a very high number, sometimes one that`s overlook, but you take that 15 percent that Huckabee is getting from social conservatives and suddenly McCain has the winning hand.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Olberman, presidential election (all tags)



The GOP will regret

Hillary's nomination but once . . . and that will be continuously.

by Beltway Dem 2008-02-02 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: The GOP will regret

Edwards and Hillary won RED counties in Florida!
Obama only won in university-area counties.

My Republican Fox News Bush-luvin family and friends in RED Georgia are now voting for Hillary.

by annefrank 2008-02-02 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: The GOP will regret

anne -- dont u just love the "politics of fear" that Obama's campaign is bringing up now.  We all know NBC commentators (because they are not journalists)are Obama schills.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-02 10:51AM | 0 recs
Reality calling.
Political reality doesn't equal "politics of fear"-- unless you're more interested in who wins the nomination than who will has the better chance to win the Presidency and take the country in a new direction.

We all know NBC commentators (because they are not journalists)are Obama schills.

Does your paranoia usually overcome your logic so blatantly?

Can you present any evidence that the analyst is an "Obama schill (sic)."
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 10:59AM | 0 recs
Shills and Evidence

Todd, like the rest of the NBC crew (Matthews, Olberman, Fineman, etc.) have shilled for Obama from day one. As for the "evidence," if you have to ask for it it can only mean one of two things: that you haven't been paying attention, or that you are being disingenuous. What evidence can anyone possibly present? You would simply say that any obviously pro-Obama comment was "fair," and that would start a whole back and forth over the underlying facts and so on.

And who is going to take the trouble to ferret all of the examples of the pro Obama shilling on NBC and MSNBC just to satisfy you? Sometimes people take this "evidence" thing too far. If you can't see that Todd and NBC, its affiliates and commentators are pro-Obama and anti-Hillary, then no amount of "evidence" presented by anyone here is ever going to convince you. In any event, by presenting Todd's statement, you are implicitly stating that he is neutral. Why don't you present some "evidence" for that proposition, instead of demanding that everyone else do your work for you?

And, on the larger issue of Hillary helping the GOP, thanks for the offer, but I'm all stocked up on concern trolling right now--Okay?

by freemansfarm 2008-02-02 11:16AM | 0 recs
But we don't have reality, just spin

Southern Patriot,

All this "divisive" and "uniting the GOP" talk with specific reference to Clinton is just spin.  The truth is that we won't know the exact reality until November.  We can't really place too much faith on state GE polls this far out but they show virtually no difference in the Republican vote whether the nominee is Clinton or Obama.

Obama gets some good feelings from the GOP now because he is battling Clinton.  Enemy of my enemy is my friend.  That will disappear quickly if he is nominated just like the admiration for the USSR disappeared very quickly after WWII.

My own spin is that Republicans will not be at all attracted to Obama if he is the nominee.  They tend to be crunchy and/or traditional people and his campaign will leave most of them cold.  Furthermore, Clinton's greater national security cred and more traditionalist views fit better with their views.

Also, Clinton can point to some favorable relationships and some flattering words from GOP Senators.  When listening to some GOP insiders, one begins to get the impression that while the base may have an intense dislike for Hillary, the GOP elites not nearly as much.

by lombard 2008-02-02 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: But we don't have reality, just spin

Nah. Come on. Republicans love Ted Kennedy and John Kerry!

Don't they?

by hwc 2008-02-02 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: But we don't have reality, just spin

Those 2 are another reason Repubs won't vote for Obama.

by annefrank 2008-02-02 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Reality calling.

How about if we produce the same evidence that the"analyst" used.  Oh wait, he didn't have any.  Just his own useless opinion.

by Denny Crane 2008-02-02 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Reality calling.

have you been living under a rock?

Hillary got more of the Independent vote in NH than McCain.  SHe got more of it in FL.

Oh while we're on FL, she whipped Obama's ass there.  And as for Kerry, she whipped his ass too. In fact, she single handedly got more votes than the entire 2004 field combined.

As for NBC -- are u serious????????????????????????????????? ????

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-02 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?


They are scared t death of her and with good reason, she will beat them.

by americanincanada 2008-02-02 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

This is a joke - I have talked to a bunch of republicans and they are frothing at the mouths in order to run against HRC.

I talked to several independent friends who said they'd vote McCain.  

I have talked to like 10 young voters who said they won't even show up to vote in November if it's McCain vs Clinton (but would vote for Obama).

The one hope Hillary has is to get single women voters.  If she can bring those voters in, she can win.  But nominating someone with almost 50% unfavorable is not the best strategy for the party.

by tom32182 2008-02-02 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Well then we shouldn't nominate Obama either.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-02 10:26AM | 0 recs
Obama isn't red meat for the GOP.
Rabid hatred for Obama doesn't unite every single faction of the GOP.

Face it. The right wing slime machine will only have months (and the help of HRC's oppo research) to convince moderates and independents that Obama is Satan incarnate. That has been Mission Accomplished in respect to HRC for years.
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama isn't red meat for the GOP.

Obviously you don't know many Republicans. They call him Obama/Osama or Hussein. They hate him every bit as much as Hillary or even more. When the GOP gets done with him, they'll hate him even more.

There's one thing that motivates them more than their hatred of all things Clinton: Fear of dark skinned people.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-02 10:54AM | 0 recs
I live the reddest county in the one of the most racist states of the union-- SC.

You might have heard about that little primary we had down here. The one where Obama trounced HRC and pulled 25% of the white voters (in a three way race, including a white male candidate).

I know plenty of white, racist Republicans and independents.

No matter who wins the nomination, slime machine will launch a campaign of hate.

Obama has the antidote for it, though. Hillary doesn't.
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Wrong.

You aren't talking to many Republicans then. Obama won SC because of the black vote and Hillary and Edwards split the white vote. Hillary beat Obama in the red counties in FL. Obama does well with college professors, their students and blacks it seems. If you think you can win an election with those demographics then I want what you are smoking.

I have seen no antidote from Obama. He's letting himself be defined. It won't take long. They defined Kerry in a few months and they'll do the same to Obama. He's even helped them along by intervening on the side of radical muslim fundamentalists in Kenya. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-02 11:14AM | 0 recs
oh well too bad
you might as well go eat worms because we are not falling for your fear tactics and Clinton hating morons, right or left, will not be blackmailing us in to nominating Obama.
Sorry SP, do you really think this argument is new?  You are very transparent and we have heard this all before. Take your Clinton hating crap somewhere it might be effective, like back to Agent Orange.
by MollieBradford 2008-02-02 11:17AM | 0 recs
Not new... just correct.
I don't "hate Clinton." You seem to confuse your opponents' motivations with yours. I just want the Dems to win the Presidency with a mandate for change-- not with another administration that will be constantly hobbled in taking the country forward. How many mulligans are you willing to give Hillary as POTUS? "If I knew then what I know now..." She didn't know that Bush was drooling to invade? Either she thinks we're idiots or she's not nearly clever enough to be in the Senate, much less the WH. Hint: She's damned clever. She was looking towards this race when she voted to let Bush invade. She just didn't want to give the GOP "soft on terra" ammunition.
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Not new... just correct.

Obama supporters have been trained to focus on his opposition to the war when he couldn't vote and ignore his SILENCE on the war and zillion votes to fund the war when he could vote.

Obama's entire campaign is based on BLAMING senators for their war vote - when he wasn't even in the Senate.

Who cares what Obama thought in 2002?
In 2006 and 2007 he voted for 2 NAFTA trade deals.
In 2006 he endorsed Lieberman!
In 2005 he voted against capping credit card interest rates.
In 2007 he proposed a watered down version of universal health care - omitting 15M of us BEFORE he does his Kumbaya thing with the Insurance industry.

Obama's judgment on health care is flawed - and his opposition to the war when he couldn't vote doesn't improve his inferior health care plan.

by annefrank 2008-02-02 02:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Are you joking??

Obama should be LEADING everywhere - with all the 24/7 positive media and press he's received for the past 3 1/2 years.

The media has given Oblahma an absolute pass - and buying a pig in a poke isn't wise.

by annefrank 2008-02-02 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

If we want to trade anecdotal bs because that's what it is, I know several Republican women who are planning to vote for Clinton. And I also know several Republican men who absolutely loathe McCain.  

by ottovbvs 2008-02-02 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Well, that proves it.  Your anecdotal evidence is all I needed to know.  I'll call Hillary and tell her to drop out immediately.

by Denny Crane 2008-02-02 03:22PM | 0 recs
I think it's reasonable to worry

that some conservatives who dislike McCain would be motivated to come out and vote against Hillary. I do worry about that.

On the other hand, some Republicans would rather let a Democrat get stuck with a lousy economy, ballooning deficit and quagmire in Iraq, thinking that the Democrat would be a one-termer and it would be better to run a "real conservative" in 2012 instead of electing McCain now.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-02 10:16AM | 0 recs
What part of that walk is called the...
...NAFTA stroll? Wait. Don't tell me. She gets another mulligan: "If I only knew then what I know now..." Just another colossal mistake that couldn't have been foreseen, I guess.
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Okay. I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because she will be the best damn President and no Republican can scare me to do otherwise.

by RJEvans 2008-02-02 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Here is the bottom line: It is better when people are motivated to vote for someone rather than vote against someone.

That is why she will win. She will own him on the issue of the economy, because McCain can only say one thing: Iraq.

Meanwhile, Hillary says: ECONOMY, ECONOMY and HEALTH CARE!

by American1989 2008-02-02 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Exactly. Hatred off Bush didn't get us very far last time. I am actually looking forward to them dragging up the past - elections are always about the future and McCain et al have nothing to offer but, as has been said, no jobs and more war. The American people want solutions to their problems and they will be turned off by incessent Repub attacks. You just watch.

by conspiracy 2008-02-02 10:45AM | 0 recs
Uhm, I guess that you didn't notice when...
the GOP put Gay Marriage on state ballots in 2004 just to motivate the fundies to vote against Kerry. The GOP propaganda machine is the past master at ginning up fear and hatred. Convincing a voter to vote against a candidate is probably more effective (and an easier sell) than voting for the candidate. That's why candidates hate litmus tests-- single issue that will convince a lot of voters to vote against a candidate despite agreement on other issues. All you have to do is look at the GOP support of religious working-class voters.
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Uhm, I guess that you didn't notice when...

The exit polls disagree. Bush voters were voting 59-40 FOR him while the rationale of Kerry voters was against Bush by a whopping margin of 70-30. A purely negative campaign is doomed to failure.

by conspiracy 2008-02-02 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

The republicans will unite against either Hillary or Obama.  There will be plenty of mud for them to sling - whoever wins the nomination. In the northeast, where McCain and Hillary are both popular, I have heard quite a few people saying the opposite of what Tom32182 is saying.  They tell me if Obama gets the nomination, they will vote for McCain.  I think every time Obama goes on TV and talks about how Hillary's supporters will vote for him, but his may not vote for her, he is alienating more democrats - a dangerous game when we are pretty sure McCain will be the republican nominee. I would tell Obama - don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

by AnnC 2008-02-02 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

You know, it's funny. Hillary Clinton didn't even break a sweat clobbering McCain, Romney, and Obama in the Florida Primary this week. Florida. You might have heard of it. 27 Electoral College votes. Key swing state. Sometimes plays a role in the outcome of Presidential races.

by hwc 2008-02-02 10:39AM | 0 recs
Bogus analysis.
Closed primaries aren't analogous to open general elections.
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

The Gop won 5 of the previous 6 elections until Bill Clinton. Only 46 and he took down an incumbent. Ronald Reagan was 70 and needed 3 trys. Al Gore & John Kerry couldnt won an election with a paper bag.The GOP is in Shambles.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Bill Clinton won with an anemic 43% of the vote in 1992 against one of the most unpopular Presidents ever.  He also turned around and lost us Congress two years later.  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

He won 2 electoral landslides. America doesnt elect Presidents by popular vote. Ask George W. Bush about that one.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

He lost seats nationally for us in both 1992 and 1996.  Even Michael Dukakis and Al Gore was able to pick up seats for us.  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 12:31PM | 0 recs

That was in a three person race which included the third party candidate who got one of, if not the, highest percentages of the popular vote of all time. So, that "anemic 43%" business is just a tadd  misleading. Also, that "unpopular president" whom Clinton defeated had sky high approval ratings just a year earlier after triumphing in the Gulf War. In addition, that unpopular president could plausibly argue that the foreign policy pursued by him and his GOP predesessor had brought down the Soviet Union and won the Cold War. I remember those days, and no one, no one at all, thought that the Democratic nominee, whoever it turned out to be, would have an easy time winning.

And, Clinton was also re-elected in 1996, a little feat not accomplished by a Democratic president since FDR. In his victories, Clinton carred states we rarely ever get, and would love to have now, like Florida, Georgia and Arizona.

If whoever we nominate performs like Bill Clinton in elections I'll be more than satisfied!

by freemansfarm 2008-02-02 12:00PM | 0 recs

I agree. Bush 41 doesnt look to bad compared to the kid. Pappy had much more on the the ball.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 12:28PM | 0 recs

He was reelected in 1996 by throwing Democratic ideas under the bus.  He ran way from universal healthcare and said "the era of big government is over" to get reelected.  Is that the kind of Democrat you want?  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 12:35PM | 0 recs

Utter rubbish. The Democrats are the party of solving problems or we are nothing. The second half of the nineties were the one period during the last 27 years that saw real growth in the incomes of the bottom 70% of the country. Instead of simplistic bumper stickers attacking the only twice elected Democratic president since FDR why don't you tell us why Obama would do better. The problem with folks like you us you'd rather lose than use your commonsense.

by ottovbvs 2008-02-02 12:42PM | 0 recs

Obama could do better because he doesnt automatically have 50% of the country wanting to destroy him.  If you think Congress is going to want to help Hillary one bit, you are absolutely crazy.  We are going to have nothing but gridlock and Democrats are going to get blamed for it.  Do you remember 1993 and 1994?  We were getting battered every day and the Clinton's did nothing to fight for us.  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 12:50PM | 0 recs
Ground shift

Shift your ground much? This little sub-discussion has been about Bill Clinton's performance in elections, not policy. There is a nice list upthread about the accomplishments of the Clinton Administration. Go there and argue if you want to belittle them.

Clinton won reelection in electoral vote landslide in 1996. No president from our Party had done that since 1944.

As I said, Clinton kicked ass in his two presidential elections. If his wife, or Obama, can do the same, I'll be more than satisfied. And nothing you can say about health care or "big government" is going to change my mind.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-02 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Ground shift

He won reelection, but it was a lonely landslide.  He did nothing to improve Democratic strength in Congress.  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 12:50PM | 0 recs
Still a ground shift

Your still shifting the ground. This was the opening post in this sub-thread:

"The Gop won 5 of the previous 6 elections until Bill Clinton. Only 46 and he took down an incumbent. Ronald Reagan was 70 and needed 3 trys. Al Gore & John Kerry couldnt won an election with a paper bag.The GOP is in Shambles."

Do you see anything about Congressional elections here? I don't. Clinton ran for president against the GOP twice. He won twice. We have lost every other presidential election since 1980. Clinton could not have done any better, given the term limit amendment. End of story.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-02 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Still a ground shift

There is no point to winning a Presidential election unless you can win Congressional elections.  Just ask Richard Nixon after the 1972 election.  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 01:19PM | 0 recs

Yes, there is actually. Presidents have a lot of power under our system, and that power has been growing for years. Just some of the examples: appointments, the setting of policies for the departments, agencies, commissions, boards, etc., executive orders and agreements, and in foreign policy in general, almost unlimited power.

Nixon didn't have the Congress after the 1968 election either, but he certainly got a lot of things his own way (examples: 4 more years of war, Supreme Court appointments). After 1972, he was sunk because of Watergate. Even most Republicans deserted him.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-02 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Still a ground shift

Watergate.Ned I say more!

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Still a ground shift

Right on Brother.Bill Clinton 1992 370 electoral votes. 1996 379 Electoral votes. If any candidate got that in 2008 it would viewed as the Second Coming.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Still a ground shift

Right on Brother.Bill Clinton 1992 370 electoral votes. 1996 379 Electoral votes. If any candidate got that in 2008 it would viewed as the Second Coming.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Still a ground shift

I wont be impressed unless Clinton can pick up House seats for us.  

by Toddwell 2008-02-02 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

ERR there were three candidates. And I think old Ross got 16% of vote.  

by ottovbvs 2008-02-02 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

I think if the general election is Clinton/McCain, it will be interesting because there are small but extremely vocal opponents to each within their respective parties.  

And I think McCain has more of them than Hillary does.  There are quite a few Republicans who would rather have a "purifying loss" and come back with a "real conservative" in 2012.

The Clinton haters on the Democratic side remind me of the Eugene McCarthy voters who sat on their hands in 1968 and brought us Nixon or the Nader (there's no difference between Bush and Gore) folks who brought us Bush:  smug people who like to feel morally superior in rejecting half a loaf in favor of none...I don't care what the rationale is, and I've seen various ones offered, that's what it boils down to.

by InigoMontoya 2008-02-02 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

Are you suggesting that the Clinton lovers remind you of the Hubert Humphrey voters?  That's not a good look, really.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 12:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

Better a Humphrey voter than a smug sanctimonious jerk who brought us Richard absolutely foul look.

by InigoMontoya 2008-02-02 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

It's only 40 years and I have neither forgotten nor forgiven.

by InigoMontoya 2008-02-02 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

Explain to me how Eugene McCarthy delivered the election to Nixon again?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

His holier than thou supporters sat on their butts rather than vote/work for Humphrey.  See also, Nader 2000, "There's no difference between Bush and Gore."

Eff 'em.   Eff 'em then, eff 'em now.

by InigoMontoya 2008-02-02 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Naive

1968 already had been a tumultuous year for the United States, with the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. in April and Senator Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY) in June during his campaign for the Democratic nomination, and widespread protests against the Vietnam War. The convention achieved notoriety due to clashes between protesters and police, and due to the generally chaotic atmosphere of the event.


The selection of a Presidential nominee was particularly difficult for the Democrats that year, due to the split in the party over the Vietnam War, President Lyndon B. Johnson's decision not to seek re-election, and Robert Kennedy's assassination. On one side, Senator Eugene McCarthy, D-MN, ran a decidedly anti-war campaign, calling for the immediate withdrawal from the region. On the other side, Vice President Hubert Humphrey, who did not participate in any primaries but controlled enough delegates to secure the nomination, called for a policy more in line with President Johnson's, which focused on making any reduction of force contingent on concessions extracted in the Paris Peace Talks.

The Democrats eventually settled on Humphrey, who would lose the election to Richard M. Nixon. The confusion of the convention, and the unhappiness of many liberals with the outcome, led the Democrats to begin reforms of their nominating process, increasing the role of primaries and decreasing the power of party delegates in the selection process.

Wikipedia - 1968 Democratic National Convention

You're pinning this on Eugene McCarthy and his f*cked up supporters?  Some of them were probably in Canada by election time anyhow.  There were a lot of people fighting for what they believed in and it wasn't clear which side the Democratic party was on, more so after the convention than before.  How many primaries did Humphrey win again?  And what was his position on the war?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-02-02 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

I say Bring it on.  Hillary will tear McCain apart, she will stare down those repugs, and eat them alive.  I'm not backing down from this fight, and i am pretty sure HRC inspires more people than McCain.

Rise, Hillary, RISE

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-02 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Grandpa vs the grittest Gal in America. My money is on Hillary.

by Safe at Home 2008-02-02 11:54AM | 0 recs
chuck todd is an idiot
he had gotten everything wrong so far.  
Sorry this old talking point won't work with me or anyone with a brain.  Todd is doing his corporate masters bidding.  The whole network is campaigning to defeat Clinton with the exception of Abrams.  He'll fall in line soon I am guessing.
The reason they are all talking up Obama is that they do not want to have to run against the Clintons again  
by MollieBradford 2008-02-02 11:11AM | 0 recs
Chuck Todd: every hispanic home has pictures

of JFK and the pope. We've had numerous folks here very familiar with the hispanic community attesting to fact they've never seen a JFK picture in an hispanic home. This diary is a frustrated lash out because they can see the writing on the wall.  

by ottovbvs 2008-02-02 11:27AM | 0 recs
Conspiracy theory, much?
Any evidence-- other than the voices in your head?
by Southern Patriot 2008-02-02 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Then why have they done everything to stop her from getting it?  I just don't buy it.  The Drudge Report has done everything in it's power to try to sway people from voting on her- he completely or doesn't even mention major gaffe's from Obama meanwhile the slightest negative news on Hillary he turns into blaring headlines- look, if they are that stupid that they are trying to get whom they could consider their best chance against in the election not even nominated to be in the GE, then it should not be that hard to beat such idiots.

by reasonwarrior 2008-02-02 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

Drudge Report was working with the HRC campaign..
This is not rocket scientist stuff. HRC is the most hated pol in the country.

Nominating her would be insane and a death wish for the dems.

All those new voters coming out for Obama? Gone.
The AA community... depressed.
GOP and indys? energized to beat HRC ..especially with McCain as an option.

This lose with HRC will mark the end of the democratic party as we know it. Total Humilitation is losing after 8 years of bush.

HRC will be scorned for generations when she loses..I feel sorry for her.

by hawkjt 2008-02-02 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

I'm sure she can live with it. This ranting by a paid or unpaid volunteer in the Obama campaign is ranting not logic.

by ottovbvs 2008-02-02 12:43PM | 0 recs
Another realist from Obamaland.

"Drudge Report was working with the HRC campaign"

Yes he's her greatest fan. Has this guy lost all contact with reality.

by ottovbvs 2008-02-02 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Hillary save the GOP in '08?

I get it. So Hillary is a great true Democrat. The GOP hate her because she and her husband actually win national elections. Let me state that again, they are the only Democrats to win two national elections since FDR. In 64 years. Oh, and that is why we as Democrats should vote against her.

I have some special cure for you illness. It is called reality. Get with it and support Hillary Clinton for President.

by moi moi 2008-02-02 01:19PM | 0 recs


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