Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I think we should just go ahead and be honest, any major black politician in the Democratic party today is likely to have ties or associations to a Pastor like Wright. Given that can we just go ahead and admit that there wont be a Black Presidential Canidate with crossover appeal on our side until the Civil rights generation dies off.

Once we go ahead an realize that I think we should also realize that it would be wise for any smart ambitious African-American politician to join the GOP, as in the Democratic party the only way to rise is through the Black Church structure (lets be real outside of the inner city a Black man will not win the Democratic primary). I think that unless we wait half a century or so, the first Black President (unless Obama pulls it out) will certainly be a Republican, and in the end thats probably fitting given that they are the party of Lincoln.

As a final thought, its ironic to note that if we applied the same standards to whites that we do to Blacks, Clinton wouldn't even be a canidate, what with Bill's mentor being Fullbright a member in Good Standing of the George Wallace wing of the party.

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Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Rev. Wright gave what conservatives have wanted all along, a green-light to play the race card for their favor.

by mecarr 2008-03-19 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

More like - use the race card that the Obama team put on the table.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-19 10:18PM | 0 recs
Black people do have every right to be angry

Anyone who doesn't see that has blinders on.

Things aren't getting better for most of them either, as the economy is declining, the fortunes of black Americans are declining much faster than average.

"Last hired, first fired" hits them very badly.

Also, most black families have little or no equity. Its not that they don't or can't save, its that they on the average make much less and spend longer times unemployed.

Discrimination is still very real. Its shown by studies that have illustated that all other things being equal, someone with a black sounding name is 1/10 as likely to receive a call back on a resume.

A black man and a white man, arrested for the same crime, with NO previous criminal record, the black man has a 47 TIMES HIGHER change of being put in jail.

Those are the facts..

by architek 2008-03-20 07:13AM | 0 recs
yeah good luck with that.

Afer that speech, I want to see who can match it.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-19 10:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

In some ways, a black Republican candidate would be a genius move, because assuming they can hold Republicans and snag a decent number of Democratic black voters, it would seem they'd have an edge at the polls. Unfortunately (or fortunately, maybe), I can't think of a single charismatic black Republican (Colin Powell maybe, but he doesn't seem to have the ambition).

by animated 2008-03-19 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Whatever happened to JC Watts?

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-19 10:16PM | 0 recs
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Even he felt used by the GOP.

by elrod 2008-03-19 10:22PM | 0 recs
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In a sadly predictable he felt like a token and quit, his reasons were actually a bit heart-breaking (they'd need him for photo but not for Bills). I also think he does present the third option on how to rise though to be honest I don't think its much of good thing-- you can be a black guy and rise in poltics if you were a sports hero, which is kind of patronizing.  

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I think you do a disservice to black churches in general.  I don't think they are so filled with this kind of hate speech that we hear from the Wright man.  His comments are way over the top and should not be defended by anyone.  In the democratic party or not.

by democrat voter 2008-03-19 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Really, you don't think so, huh, okay name a major Black poltician in America who you honestly think has a shot besides Obama, or alternatively name a large congregation Black Church which wouldn't scare white America in Ads, and please try to remeber that MLKs dead, and Jakes runs the one large African American Church I can think of that's GOP (Bush even went there quite a few times).

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

This is black liberationist rhetoric from the sixties and most African Americans don't embrace much of that stuff.

Most black politicians do not have a church like that in their recent background, because it can and would be used against them - just as a white politician belonging to a church advocated or defended segregation would find themselves being challenged on that association.

Obama belonging to this church for twenty years and giving them money is completely unacceptable. When he got serious about running for office, he should have cut that off. He didn't. He's telling you that he won't sever ties to an overt racist/misogynist. That wouldn't be acceptable if a Republican was doing it and it shouldn't acceptable with obama doing it.

Remember, Trent Lott had to step down from the Majority Leader of the senate for saying that we might have been better if Strom Thurmond had won his race for the presidency on the state's rights Dixiecrat party. What Wright was saying in his sermons was even more offensive than that.

Obama's gotten his chops busted hard over this, and appropriately so. This is not acceptable. Nor are his ever changing excuses on the subject.

by Little Otter 2008-03-19 10:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Like I said once the Civil Rights types finally kick, a Black pol will have a better chance, oh and the Black Liberation stuff, yeah its far, far more prevalent than you think, and I'm not sure why is any nuttier than say Catholicism, or the South Baptist, or the Methodist, etc.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

just want to mention that Michael Jordan has attended that church.  Are we now going to attack him for being an anti-american?

by jacen42 2008-03-19 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

If he runs for president, yes.

by JimR 2008-03-20 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Remember, Trent Lott had to step down from the Majority Leader of the senate for saying that we might have been better if Strom Thurmond had won his race for the presidency on the state's rights Dixiecrat party. What Wright was saying in his sermons was even more offensive than that.

Arguably so, and I agree that Wright should withdraw from the presidential race.

See, it's not quite the same thing. Although it's politically useful to consider them the same person, they aren't. It was only his pastor, albeit one who had a major role in Obama's life.  

I'm sure Bill Clinton's side of the family has some good ol' boy in them...let's see if his uncle or third cousin ever told a racist joke at a family picnic. Then we can demand that Hillary withdraw, too.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-20 12:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

It is exactly the same thing - embracing someone who embraces racism/sexism publicly. Lott wasnt' endorsing bigotry. He was endorsing Thurmond who endorsed bigotry. I have no idea if obama is personally a bigot or not, but I do know he embraces someone who publicly advocates racism.

As for Bill Clinton's third cousin, I'm sure you're right about that. But as long as he isn't publicly advocating for racism, as Wright does, it won't be used against him. Wright can be as racist as he wants to be as long he isn't using a public platform to advocate it - that simple.

by Little Otter 2008-03-20 12:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

So when did Obama endorse Wright? I heard him denounce the guy's statement a half-dozen times over the last few days.

Obama said he wasn't present for the statements in question. He did say he had heard Wright say some other things with which he strongly disagreed. In all, he accepted Wright as an influential yet seriously flawed human being.

As opposed to literally stating that America would've been better off if they had voted for the segregationist party.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-20 12:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Obama has admitted being there for controversial statements - that is, after saying he hadn't been. Obviously, there is video taped footage somewhere that would contradict his claim.

Trent Lott said that we "might" be better off and that was offensive enough to force him to step down as leader. Josh Marshall was rightly proud of the role he played in that.

by Little Otter 2008-03-20 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Oh, you mean endorsing sitting Senator Strom Thurmond?

by zonk 2008-03-20 04:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I think you don't understand how incredibly rare Wright's vitriolic tirades were. He has a stellar reputation as a visiting preacher over many, many years, for example.

by mattw 2008-03-19 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

deval patrick is a major black politician i don't think he had that problem.

You choose your associations and your church.

Maybe you can say any black politician from chicago politics especially the southside of chicago

by lori 2008-03-19 10:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I always thought that the first black/latino/female president in America would be a republican.  I'm willing to be wrong, but that's what I had always thought.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-19 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Socratsilence,

I agree with you.

One thing is evident.

A Black Republican who can survive the GOP Primary would without a doubt be in Much Better Position of Winning the Presidency than any Black Democrat.

In fact, that would be the worst nightmare for the Democratic Party.

by labanman 2008-03-19 10:18PM | 0 recs
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Deval Patrick would not get elected outside of Mass, and even then he would only have a shot at Gov. or Sen. (congress you need to go through the city machine) he couldn't rise to the level in any other state (possibly California), Patterson in NY is from Harlem and I'm goign to go out on a limb here probably has more than a few questionable alliances.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:19PM | 0 recs
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Deval Patrick would not even get reelected in Mass . if the election were held today.

That is why Obama lost that state by those margins even though he had all those endorsement.

He hasn't delivered in the state and they probably say a lot of patrick in Obama.

by lori 2008-03-19 10:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Obama is still up in the non-tracking polls, during the Wright Weekends...that is CBS and Gallup, against McCain.  I don't agree with this diaries' premise.

by CardBoard 2008-03-19 10:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

He's the last hope/ test case, if he gets destryoed by this well I'd asy it would mean the end of Major Black pols (or at least a Blueprint on how to beat them), but you know with the massive 3 nationwide now (Paterson, Obama, Patrick) and total since reconstruction.  As a solo upside I think we've figured out the which is harder to win major office as a woman or major office as an African-American, what with their being 1 Black Senator now and only 3 in the last century or so, and 16 Female senators currently serving.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I think you are right that it is more uphill for a Black Man than a Women...unless they are an R, and even then it is easier for a Women.  For instance, I think Kay Baily Hutchinson could have walked away with the R nomination and the general... and, I hope she is not McCain's VP pick.

I also think Obama is profoundly different... he works in a different way.  He surrounds himself with academics from Harvard and U of Chicago...he gives speeches like the one Tuesday and last falls JJ dinner in Iowa, and his loss in NH speech they I have never seen a black or white politician give.  And Hillary is a largely flawed candidate (this won't go over well) her image has been set in the public mindset and it is not a good one.

Interestingly though, I think a Black Women has the easiest path other than a white male, if we had more Black Women in public office...

by CardBoard 2008-03-19 10:46PM | 0 recs
It's been tried

The Republican Party has tried to put up black candidates and failed. Look at Lynn Swann in PA or Michael Steele in MD or Blackwell in OH. JC Watts was a rare exception and even he couldn't take being held up as a token anymore.

The only one that could have done it was Colin Powell. But many Republicans had doubts about him too.

The Republican Party is the White Man's Party. It has a few Cuban exiles thrown in for "diversity" but it is primarily a white male party. Look at the 10 buffoons who ran for the Presidency this year.

by elrod 2008-03-19 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

Well, in all fairness, I believe Alan Keyes showed up at a debate or two.

by animated 2008-03-19 10:32PM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

I forgot about him.

by elrod 2008-03-19 10:33PM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

So did most voters in every race he's ever run... while he was running.

by zonk 2008-03-20 04:51AM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

Well, while were better at lower offices its not like were that much better at High office, we have Obama, Patrick and Paterson as statewide elected officials, and Steele was a highly elected as Paterson (both lt. Govs, Paterson just got in due to whoremongering.) Hell, Bush has had a more diverse cabinent and the GOP has nominated just as many African Americans and Women to the Supreme Court as we have.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

Well, the republicans have nominated more members to the supreme court than we have.  Except Ginsburg and Breyer, the last 14 nominees were by republicans.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-19 10:42PM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

And Paterson himself has now admitted to having several extramarital affairs before.

Can they add "keep it in your pants" to the governor's oath of office?

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-20 12:27AM | 0 recs
Michael Steele could have won in another state

MD is a heavily Democratic state and he was running against a very respected Democrat in a very Democratic year where control of the Senate was in play.  I like Michael Steele and, if McCain wins, I hope he appoints him to a cabinet position or something so he gets a little more political stature for a higher run.

by lombard 2008-03-19 10:40PM | 0 recs
Re: It's been tried

I think Steele was the only one of the 3 with a real shot though, Swann was a stunt canidate (not due to race, but due to the athlete thing), and no one in the Ohio GOP was winning regardless of race that year (not due to our strength, they just sucked that bad).

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I'm not so sure about that...Donna Brazile said the other day she was a catholic....

What's Colin Powell? What's Condelezza Rice???

Not so sure.....

by nikkid 2008-03-19 10:34PM | 0 recs
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With all due respect none of them has held elected office, and the only 2 of them to hold significant positions were both Gop types (wasn't Brazille chief of staff for Bill, that's not a confirmation post or a Cabinent level positon, bothof which could possibly be turned inot elected office).

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Rice tells the story of being asked to be the pianist in a  Black Baptist (perhaps it was AME) church.  She did it for awhile but wasn't comfortable and went back to her Presbyterian church. She said she preferred the governing organization of the Presbyterians.  

I believe Powell is Catholic.  

by Dorothy 2008-03-19 10:50PM | 0 recs
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I correct myself.  Powell is Episcopalian.  

by Dorothy 2008-03-19 10:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

That's the most absurd thing I ever heard. Yes. Obama could be the closest to the nomination/presidency so far in the history but I truly believe that African American community and its potential is much bigger than Obama. Of course, African American community will rise and we will have an African American president. Do not equate Obama's failure with African American community's failure!

I am a Hillary supporter but I agree with many Obama supporters on the point that this is our chance to be reflexive on our rhetoric's and reality of racial relations in this country. Rev. Wright's comments are inflammatory. If other black church leaders have been saying these remarks, it is time for them to be reflexive about themselves, too. Maybe their philosophy and intentions could be justifiable yet their rhetoric's need to be revisited if we really hope to live in a multiracial society. I am more than sure that we will rise above this experience.

by praxis1 2008-03-19 10:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

I guess I'd be a bit more confident if there more than you know 6 African American to reach statewide office in the last 100 years.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 10:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Look, I am fully aware of the dire reality. Racial composition of our "leadership" positions is disgrace. We do not have enough minority politicians, minority academicians, minority business leaders, minority lawyers...etc. Terrible. I am 100% with you in terms of assessing the reality. However, I do not accept any suggestion that somehow Obama is the "last" or "closest" chance that African American community or even minority community could have. He represents a great chance but his failure should not be interpreted as a failure of the whole community. If he fails, our minority youth will learn so many lessons from him. It would be the beginning of new hope not its end.

by praxis1 2008-03-19 11:12PM | 0 recs
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I entirely disagree.  I've said this myself in private.  If Obama doesn't make it, and it's because of Wright, it means that no current black politician with a chance at the whitehouse will be able to have a reasonable chance at the dem nomination for another 20 or 30 years.  That's simply because most black dem politicians are associated with, or have strong ties with churches with pastors that have said similar (and worse) things to Wright.

by shalca 2008-03-19 11:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

Would you agree that the message such youth should take is ditch the black community, because lets face it that's the only viable option, ditch the Black community and join the GOP.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-19 11:35PM | 0 recs
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No.  And that's a pretty insensitive thing to say by the way.  The GOP, on a national level, will no more accept a black candidate as they would a liberal.  It's not going to happen.  The best chance any black politician has at advancing his views is through the democratic party.  What's sad is if the democratic party decides to destroy viable black candidates by association.

by shalca 2008-03-20 12:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we just go ahead an admit the truth?

If Obama doesn't win the nomination, it won't be because the Democratic Party decided to "destroy" him. That kind of inflammatory rhetorical is wrong and destructive. The right-wing blew up the Wright controversy and the media is exploiting it. If voters in Pennsylvania and elsewhere are affected by it, it won't be because the Democratic Party is telling them to do it.

Obama is dealing with this problem pretty well. You should follow his lead and not blame other democrats for his current trouble.

by bently2 2008-03-20 01:08AM | 0 recs
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I agree.

Do note that this is NOT a call for Clinton to drop out, but the fact is -- Obama had to handle this himself not because he's the "black candidate", but because we don't have a nominee yet.

The party cannot, at this time, rally around the defense of EITHER Clinton or Obama, whenever issues arise because we do not have the top of our ticket settled.

The upside to that, I think, is that if Obama was already the presumptive nominee and Clinton had already left the race, I don't think we get the gift we got on Tuesday.   With a united Democratic party, Obama probably never has to write that speech -- and it becomes just another ugly episode in our unending stream of the "politics of bash".

by zonk 2008-03-20 05:06AM | 0 recs
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"(lets be real outside of the inner city a Black man will not win the Democratic primary)."

Seriously, where do you get what you're smoking? How many contests have to be won before you can figure out the problem with this statement?

by reenactor 2008-03-20 01:31AM | 0 recs
I take a different view

The most courageous thing about the speech was that it TRUSTED Americans.

It trusted that they're not so stupid as to play yes/no, black/white, you're with us/or with the terrorists anymore.   He trusted that if someone offers them an alternative to bloodsport politics, where elections are zero sum game about which side can most adequately disembowel the other side - they will listen.

While the bloviators online and the cable teevee fret over whether America will listen to a nuanced speech acknowledges life has shades of grey, I prefer to trust in America.

Just like RFK trusted America that he could quote a Greek poet directly, and still manage to convey the empathy of loss upon the assassination of Martin Luther King --

Barack Obama trusted that enough Americans are ready to move beyond pit viper politics.

I've always agreed with Studs Terkel:

"I've always felt, in all my books, that there's a deep decency in the American people and a native intelligence--providing they have the facts, providing they have the information."

by zonk 2008-03-20 05:02AM | 0 recs
you don't know much about black churches.

rev. wright was at this offshoot of a church because, despite his charisma, he couldn't get a job at a mainstream church like AME or one of the other traditional black church organizations. this "white folks run the government to create AIDS viruses and drug epidemics to afflict us with" craziness is limited to less than 10% of the black churches. it's farrakan and a few christian churches and that's it. you won't hear craziness from the pulpit in regular churches.

by campskunk 2008-03-20 05:40AM | 0 recs

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