A Theory

I'd like to use this diary to advance a theory, one that I've become more and more convinced of as this primary season has turned:

No Democratic African-American can win the Whitehouse until the Civil Rights Generation is dead.

Now, I know this is going to seem controversial and downright offensive to some, but hear me out; if the normal resentments of African-Americans who lived through the civil rights movement are seen as anti-white racism, a belief that appears to be prevalent even in supposedly progressive forums such as this, then until the people who have flesh and blood ties to those resentments (justified though they may be) are in the ground, no African-American can run without either cutting off the Black Community (see; what Powell or Rice would have had to do) or being tied to it to his or her detriment.  Given the fact that African-Americans are the most loyal and crucial voting block for Democrats, such diassociation is impossible for an up-and-coming African-American Dem, only in the GOP would the necessary distance be an achievable goal (see: Watts).  

If one accepts my premise (and please provide some counter-examples I would love to be wrong, please show me an African-American Dem who has been elected to high office and could not be tarred in a manor, similar if not equal to Obama- Patterson ties into Harlem, and Ford into Memphis both are scions of long holding clans, Booker is a product of a machine that makes Chicago look clean), then one is left with confirmation of my thesis, and the question of what we can do to change these apparent facts on the ground, before I give my response please understand that this is not a recommendation that I take pleasure in giving.

** African-Americans need to vote for the GOP**
This sounds insane I realize, but there's a reason that Reagan Dems are getting all this respect- parties don't like loyalty, loyalty gets you nothing, to be given real respect they need to fear you, and nothing would give African Americans more power than to vote as a Block for John McCain this year-- you think the Media wants to pander to Reagan Dems, watch how hard the GOP tries to actually keep your vote, heck you don't even need to do a thought experiment look at latino's Bush was willing to chuck his base under a bus in a heartbeat just in order to maintain rough parity in latino votes, his most loyal peeps called him "Jorge Bush" and nicknamed the GOP Nominee "Juan McCain" (note: I said the nominee, see the GOP base couldn't deliver, and so they were willing to piss them off, the Democratic Party right now treats African-Americans the same way, they don't think they'll do anyhting so who cares if the consistently piss them off).

Tags: Civil Rights Movement, etc, obama (all tags)

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65 Comments

Re: A Theory

God, I hope you are wrong, but I suspect there may be a grain of truth in what you say.

By the way, Rev. Wright needs to shut the hell up and disappear into obscurity.

by XoFalconXo 2008-04-28 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

No doubt, honestly until PA this was more along the lines of a "that, can't be true, I love my country too much to believe that this can be true" but now, especially with all the talk about how it doesn't matter if Hillary struggles in the AA vote because they'll vote Dem anyway, the Reagan Dems matter they're the base even though they're the same disloyal demographic that brought us Dubya, I'm really starting to think that I might be right on this one. I mean is it possible that African-American loyalty to the party is a weakness and indeed an obstacle to achieving real political power.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

How come I never heard of this so-called "Reagan Democrat" demographic until this election cycle?

A "Reagan Democrat" isn't a Democrat.  Its a Republican.

If we're talking about poor white folk, since when (aside from union workers) is this a Democratic constituency?  The unions will all go for Obama in the general..

by XoFalconXo 2008-04-28 07:15PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

How old were you when Reagan was elected?

The term Reagan democrate is very common and has been around since......Reagan.

by J Rae 2008-04-28 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

Yes, but I tend to think of them along the lines of Dixiecrats, I mean we haven't won Bluecollar whites in a 2-party race since Johnson in 1964, maybe even further back than that!

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

Not sure why you think Dixiecrats.

Reagan attracted a portion of demacrates with a strong national security message. It didn't help that inflation was running high, very very high.
But the Iran issue put Reagan over the top for most people.
It was years before people found out Reagan's people were negotiating with Iran on the sly.

by J Rae 2008-04-28 07:50PM | 0 recs
As a former Reagan Democrat (twice)

Let me commend you on your analysis.  The Iran hostage crisis was indeed the critical event that brought Reagan to office.

Of course, Reagan's personal charm played no small part.  And, frankly, by the time the election came around, Carter's record wasn't that great, the economy wasn't so hot, and Carter seemed a little overwhelmed and beaten by the job.

by lombard 2008-04-28 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: As a former Reagan Democrat (twice)

Thank you for being a witness to history - so few are these days.

by ellend818 2008-04-28 08:47PM | 0 recs
You're welcome!

I always knew that growing older would come in handy one of these days!

by lombard 2008-04-28 09:09PM | 0 recs
I am old

and honestly, I never heard it until this election cycle either...but I was a Republican back then...I dumped the GOP when that assmonkey Veep starting spouting about "family values".

by Sychotic1 2008-04-28 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

Haha I was exactly 49 days old when Reagan was first elected, so maybe that is the source of the disconnect.  Really, though, I haven't heard the term in use since I've been of voting age.  It must be making a comeback.  

Socially-conservative, poor, white voters haven't been Democratic voters since I've been paying attention.

by XoFalconXo 2008-04-28 07:28PM | 0 recs
Anyone who disses Dick Cheney

and talks about his family and parishoners serving and dying in Iraq over a lie should keep talking.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Anyone who disses Dick Cheney

I agree with you in principle.  But he scares the hell out of my reliably independent, Democratic-leaning "I hate Bush and his friggin' wars, but I sure don't want my taxes raised to pay for social programs" parents.  Wright is a problem with a certain demographic in this country.

by XoFalconXo 2008-04-28 07:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Anyone who disses Dick Cheney

Some people certainly have a problem with him. Too bad right-wing preachers don't scare the hell out of people.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 07:33PM | 0 recs
For what its worth..

they scare the hell out of me!

by XoFalconXo 2008-04-28 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: For what its worth..

Hah. Me too! Too bad they're not paraded around on the TV all day before a GOPer has to face an election.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

i hope you are wrong too!  but certainly i can agree with your comments about loyalty - as HRC has learned the hard way.

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

Do you think African Americans would be well-served to consider voting Republican, I mean I hate to even suggest it but given the "Reagan Democrats" argument it seems pretty clear that voting GOP in November would substantially increase the respect given to the African-American demographic in future elections.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

no.  i think the AA community smartly votes for the party with its best interest at heart.

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

But the Reagan Democrats certainly don't do that and there lack of party loyalty only increases there impact and the amount politicians pander to them, why should it be different for African-Americans?

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

good point.  BUT - i would say that JM is not your average repub, he tends to vote more liberally and rightly or wrongly has developed a reputation as a maverick (thus more appealing to conservative democrats who may share some of his stances)

AA's have made a statement- they are voting 92/8 for BO - i dont think anyone who is paying attention does not know what that means.  and personally i do not have a problem with them voting in droves for the first viable AA - but lets be honest about it.

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 07:46PM | 0 recs
The media has created

a myth of John McCain being a maverick due to past splits with his party over some issues.  He is actually fairly conservative and in this cycle has a vast majority of the same positions as W.

(if anything is spelled wrong I am sorry I am a it wasted...)

by Student Guy 2008-04-28 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: The media has created

im not saying i agree with his reputation - i am just pointing out that this is why some reagan dems may vote for him.

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 08:03PM | 0 recs
Too narrow of a view of "interests"

If you see a candidate and that candidate doesn't feel right to you and has perspectives or attitudes that you don't like, what makes you think that you will chuck all of those feelings because the candidate may have a better position on a certain economic issue of interest to you.  A candidate may or may not be able to prevail on a certain economic issue, but a candidate's overall temperment, attitudes, and belief system are more stable and ongoing.

by lombard 2008-04-28 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Too narrow of a view of "interests"

That's the difference between choosing with your heart and choosing with your head.  It's almost analogous to a man with heart disease saying he doesn't feel right about asparagus and broccoli, it has a taste and a color that he doesn't like.  He'd rather have a cheeseburger with fries.

by shalca 2008-04-28 08:34PM | 0 recs
Hahaha. I wish I could

give you more than mojo for that comment. I was going to make that same comment you made about HRC. What we learned this primary is what happens to a Democrat like Hillary for who party comes first.

She actually defended MoveOn and had her spokesperson on FOX to defend the gang at DailyKos and look how they treated her.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Hahaha. I wish I could

and what about richardson?  you learn a lot about loyalty in times of hardship.

by canadian gal 2008-04-28 08:05PM | 0 recs
Oh that guy is an embarrassment

to me. I can't believe how much time I wasted defending him against charges of sexual harassment by the Unity Pony crowd.

This primary has taught me a lot about Democrats and most of it is not that good. I don't know why I've been such a lemming for this party in the past.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 08:40PM | 0 recs
You bring up an interesting point

And I do not know if you are right, but I will offer up one counter examples.

I grew up in India, where religious tensions are rife (tensions of other kinds are also rife), and result in frequent riots and loss of lives.  Divisions in India are stronger than that in the US, I think

Inspite of this, the President of India is a woman (the last one was a Muslim, who comprise about 13% of the population), the Prime Minister (the guy with the powers) is a Sikh (2% of the population), and the leader of the ruling party (the person with the real powers =) is a Roman catholic (2%) female who was born an Italian citizen.

It is funny how countries can elect leaders, inspite of very real hatred on the streets.

by SevenStrings 2008-04-28 07:27PM | 0 recs
Of course in a way you're right.

Clinton is getting 8-10% of the African-American vote and people aren't worried how she'd do in the GE so clearly they're taking that vote for granted. They shouldn't.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

I disagree with your theory and here is why.

As I wondered the rural areas of PA canvassing on behalf of Hillary, I noticed that many of the PA dems had concerns re: Obama and it had nothing to do with his skin color.

I heard concern over not really knowing who he was. "Where did he come from?" "Who is he?" was a common theme.

I believe that if the dems had put up an african american like a Colin-Powell type with a military background or a background embedded in the south, he would already be the nominee.

The issue for many dems that I met in rural PA wasn't about him being black, but about his associations (with Wright, Weatherman underground) and not having enough information about his background to feel "comfortable" electing him President.

Your theory suggests that if we don't like Obama, then we must be racist. And I simply do not buy that.

by nikkid 2008-04-28 07:36PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

But that's just it Powell's a republican, basically what you're saying is that we'd have to run a Republican African-American as a dem to have a chance.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:40PM | 0 recs
I don't see how the Democratic Party

has done anything you are accusing them on. The Democratic Party has been nothing but deferential to the A-A voting block this primary. Look how many officials have sided with Obama and how many slapped the wrist of Bill Clinton over the idiotic charges he was being racist.

The only person how has taken the A-A voters for granted this primary is Barack Obama. For examples look at who didn't show up to the State of The Black Union because he was too busy. Look at what happened with black politicians in WI when Barack was campaigning there etc, etc, etc.

Maybe the A-A community shouldn't vote based on skin color and choose a candidate with experience and a track record of accomplishing stuff for the black community beyond being born to a black father.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't see how the Democratic Party

Yeah like we really care about the State of the Black Union. Tavis can kiss our collective asses.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't see how the Democratic Party

What exactly has Hillary accomplished for the Black Community, I mean other than giving a number of African-American youths paid vacations to Mesopotamia.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:43PM | 0 recs
wow

So much sarcasm...and I thought you wanted a serious dialogue..

well, it was good while it lasted!!

by SevenStrings 2008-04-28 07:49PM | 0 recs
How old are you?

Me, I'm 30 and I remember Hillary being branded as a radical or some kind of commie by the RW smear machine because when she was in college she was part of a group of students that monitored the trials of Black Panthers to make sure their Civil Rights were not violated.

What is it? Was she some pink0 commie who sided too many times with us non-whites or is she the privileged white lady who has never lifted a finger to help the black community?

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: How old are you?

Make that list. Check it twice.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't see how the Democratic Party

Do some research. Go back to 60-70s. Check out what Hillary has done or used to do for blacks. Google is available for all.

by Sandeep 2008-04-28 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't see how the Democratic Party

TR'd for your bullshit about my people (and your ignorance about Clinton).

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 07:54PM | 0 recs
I thought "your people" loved

honest commentary that told it like it was even though the truth hurt?

Sorry if the truth hurts. Barack has done nothing to deserve the votes of black America other than being born half black. Jesse Jackson was right when he said that even John Edwards had done more for black America than Barack had.

Here in Chicago he sold out "your people" to Tony Rezko because Tony was giving him campaign contributions while "your people" were living through Chicago winters without heat in Tony's slums in squalor. He has never bothered to take a stance on anything of importance to black America because he was worried about scaring off the white folks.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought "your people" loved

And we don't love dishonest commentary. Look up what Clinton did before you talk shit about how wonderful he was. He was great for the prison industrial complex but I don't think any African-Americans own any parts of that.

You also clearly don't know anything about what Obama did here in Chicago. Why don't you come on over and I'll show you around.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:17PM | 0 recs
What did he do?

What did he do besides side with the establishment like Da Mayor and Dorothy Tillman over progressives like Dorothy Brown or Pat Dowell?

What do you have planned on showing me? The housing projects where he claims to have been responsible for removing asbestos but the other activists say he takes too much credit?

Are you going to show me the 11 boarded buildings owned by his slum lord friend where people lived without heat in the winter dealt with rampant crime, open air drug markets and gang violence?

I live in Chicago and I'm very familiar with the non-existent track record of Barack's years serving the 13th ward.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: What did he do?

You live here? Ok. Meet me and we'll walk around the SE side where he organized first.

Nice to know that you'll smear him with guilt by association. Shall I start doing that to Hillary?

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:28PM | 0 recs
Yes, I live on the S. Side of Chicago.

and I'm more familiar with the situation than you think. I don't smear him with guilt by association. I call him out on his inaction and dropping the ball. But I'm not the only one that remembers Obama's time as an IL Senator different.

"On the stump, Obama has frequently invoked his experiences as a community organizer on the Chicago South Side in the early 1990s, when he passed on six-figure salary offers at corporate law firms after graduating from Harvard Law School to direct a massive voter-registration drive.

But, as a state senator, Obama evaded leadership on a host of critical community issues, from historic preservation to the rapid demolition of nearby public-housing projects, according to many South Siders.

Harold Lucas, a veteran South Side community organizer who remembers when Obama was "just a big-eared kid fresh out of school," says he didn't finally decide to support Obama's presidential bid until he was actually inside the voting booth on Super Tuesday.

"I'm not happy about the quality of life in my community," says Lucas, who now heads a black-heritage tourism business in Chicago. "As a local elected official, he had a primary role in that."

In addition to Hyde Park, Obama also represented segments of several South Side neighborhoods home to the nation's richest African-American cultural history outside of Harlem.

Before World War II, the adjacent Bronzeville community was known as the "Black Metropolis," attracting African-American migrants seeking racial equality and economic opportunity from states to the south such as Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas.

Storied jazz clubs such as Gerri's Palm Tavern regularly hosted Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, Josephine Baker and many others. In the postwar era, blues legends Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and B.B. King all regularly gigged in cramped juke joints such as the Checkerboard Lounge.

When the City of Chicago seized the 70-year-old Gerri's Palm Tavern by eminent domain in 2001, sparking citywide protests, Obama was silent. And he offered no public comments when the 30-year owner of the Checkerboard Lounge was forced to relocate a couple years later.

Even in Hyde Park, Obama declined to take a position on a years-long battle waged by hundreds of local community activists fighting against the city's plan to replace the historic limestone seawall along Lake Michigan -- a popular spot to sunbathe and swim -- with concrete steps."


http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/n ews/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/3

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, I live on the S. Side of Chicago.

So that's a no? You don't want to look at the neighborhoods that he worked for the Friends of the Park and the Developing Communities Project?

Hm. Interesting.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:40PM | 0 recs
I don't need you to be

my tour guide. I know the area, LOL and the reality of just how much of a fighter Barack was.

by LatinoVoter 2008-04-28 08:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't need you to be

Sure you do. Somehow a kid who goes to work for the DCP and Friends of the Park for little or no money just doesn't cut it eh?

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

I have no idea why you think this:

if the normal resentments of African-Americans who lived through the civil rights movement are seen as anti-white racism

Don't smear people with an unsubstantiated claim like that, and then put it to them to disprove you. God, more race baiting out of Obama and his supporters. The generation which marched for civil rights, and broke the barriers down is now racist because we don't want to vote for some race-baiting joker with no resume for the job.

I think what you're setting up here is pressure on African Americans to vote GOP if Hillary gets the nomination. Pretty fuckin' pathetic considering how aggressive her husband was on issues of concern to African Americans.

by Little Otter 2008-04-28 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

Again what has Hillary done that was substantive for the African-American community, hell in the state of Illinois Obama delivered especially in areas of Criminal Justice reform.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

She went to work for the children's defense fund. She volunteered giving free legal advice for the poor. She worked to help bring education standards up in Arkansas.

by nikkid 2008-04-28 09:27PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

LOL - Can't defend  your race baiting, can you? You don't have a goddamn reason in the world to smear Clinton supporters. You do because in your campaign, racist accusation are seen as the way to get ahead.

You and your candidate are the one injecting race into this campaign - not the Clintons. You've really sunk to a new low.

by Little Otter 2008-04-28 09:54PM | 0 recs
True

He did aggressively fight to keep the racist sentencing disparities in the drug laws. He did sign AEDPA which was aggressive at making it easier to execute people with a racist criminal justice system. He aggressively removed the social safety net despite warnings that it would harm the poor, who are disproportionately African-American.

Those are definitely issues of concern to the African-American community.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: True

He also shepherded the economy that provided the highest employment rate in history and the highest wages in history for African Americans - and with that high employment, came falling crime rates among African Americans. He appointed more African Americans to his staff than any president in history.

Your kind of revisionist history, should it be embraced, could only hurt the least amongst us, where telling the truth lifts people up. But you'd rather embrace a dishonest history and pry a few more votes a way from a stalwart ally of the African American community so a guy who has done virtually nothing in his life to help others can get ahead.

Water finds its own level.

by Little Otter 2008-04-28 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

As long as Hillary Rodham Clinton keeps talking about expansion of opportunities for the middle class , she would continue to be regarded as the champion for Reagan Democrats and the working class.

One of the reasons Reagan democrats defected from the democratic party is the feeling that democrats had abandoned the middle class in favor of the poor , African Americans and other interests groups.

As long as you keeps on talking like a populist , emphasize love of country and patriotism , remain strong on national security and talk about specific policies aimed at the working class she would continue to win Reagan democrats .

There is a racial aspect to it among some but the overwhelming reason is her moderate position and her emphasis on the middle class.

Obama's race , doubts about his patriotism , the flag pin , the GD America thing with Pastor Wrigth , Michelle Obama's words , the perception he is beholden to the left , the perception that he has a chip on his shoulders , the marketing of his candidacy without policy specific , his perception as weak on national security ( all the talking to dictators crap ) has made it a tough sell.

by lori 2008-04-28 07:48PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

It seems to me that Barack was well on his way to winning the nomination (and still might), but chose very deliberately to inject race in the weeks after New Hampshire, leading into South Carolina.  Barack didn't have to give a speech on race because Americans didn't want a Black president.  He had to give a speech because the man who was his mentor for two decades said some (many) things that Americans found extremely disconcerting.  To my mind Barack is dealing with the consequences of his (campaign's) own short-sighted tactics.

by bobbank 2008-04-28 07:56PM | 0 recs
Remember

The second-most controversial Wright sermon played on youtube and in the media was a sermon Wright delivered to try to convince people not to vote for Hillary.  He said Black folks should vote for Barack because he "ain't rich" and "ain't white" (25% true by my measurement).  He said Black folks should not vote for Hillary because she "ain't never been called a n***".  He suggested that believing the Clintons cared about Black folks was like being anally raped by them ("ridin' dirty").

He said these things at the pulpit while he was serving as Barack's national adviser on spiritual outreach.

So these were tactics the campaign employed to drive a wedge between white and black voters in this primary.  Again, reminder: Hillary actually enjoyed the majority of the Black vote until Barack's campaign began using these tactics.

Writing the whole thing off as white racism is a real copout, imo.  I'm not racist at all, and it is for that reason that I do not approve of these things.

by bobbank 2008-04-28 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Remember

Uh. Ridin Dirty doesn't mean anal sex. That's funny though.

by heresjohnny 2008-04-28 08:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Remember

the lack of cultural familiarity is kind of funny at times, you should have seen some of the threads a week ago on the "rap".

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Remember

Again with the black people vote whatever their told argument.

by shalca 2008-04-28 08:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Remember

Please explain.  I don't see a strawman.

by bobbank 2008-04-29 08:59AM | 0 recs
Racial divides are not strictly generational

I'm a middle aged man but I have seen and heard racial resentments among young people on numerous occasions.  Just because young people are more likely to be favorably disposed toward things like interracial dating or marriage does not mean that they don't have some strong views about things like affirmative action.

Should AA's support be less concentrated on one party?  Of course.  Diversity of people would help the GOP as much as the Democrats.  And black candidates like Michael Steele (and the guy from OK who played football whose name I can't remember) are appealing candidates who have attracted substantial numbers of white voters.

by lombard 2008-04-28 08:27PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

I'm sorry to say that I agree with your first assertion Socraticsilence.  That a Democratic African-American candidate may not be able to win the whitehouse until the civil rights generation is dead.  This is what so upset me when the Rev. Wright "scandal" first broke.  

Any viable black Democratic politician today has someone or some people like Wright with which they are associated.  They simply cannot get anywhere politically in the black community without the support of these figures.  And they simply cannot get anywhere politically without the support of the black community.  When people started saying that Obama couldn't win because of Wright, they could easily have said that no black candidate could win the whitehouse for at least another 20 years, no matter how good he is.  That angers me.

Obviously the exceptions are black Republicans like Collen Powell and Condoleeza Rice, who never had to run for political office in their lives.  They were appointed.

While I do agree that the black community as a whole could gain political favor by voting republican in the fall, it won't happen.  First, it would be against their interests.  Second, despite what people here at MyDD would like you to believe the black community does not vote in lock step.  They do not vote simply because the color of the candidate is black, as Al Sharpton found out.  People still would like to ignore the fact that black people took offense to words that came out of Bill and Hillary Clintons' mouths.

by shalca 2008-04-28 08:55PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

I know they wont vote in lockstep, especially for the GOP, what I do thik we could see is a mass sit out, especially considering the Wright issue, I can't imagine that the African American church is going to be too pumped to GOTV.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-28 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: A Theory

No, GOTV won't be big among black church's this fall.  It's pretty sad, because when you listen to Jeremiah Wright fully, you understand that he isn't a racist or a hateful man.

by shalca 2008-04-29 09:20AM | 0 recs

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