A question

I honestly have a question for all of the people posting Obama hit diaries that are premised on his lack of electability; what do you suggest we do?

I'm being serious, because if Obama is unelectable than so is Hillary, just because Obama is torn down doesn't mean Hillary is lifted up (in the general), notice that while she has risen relative to Obama in the last week she has fallen even father behind McCain (indeed, even post-Wright she trails McCain by a larger margin).

The argument seems to be that since Obama is undefined this episode smears him, and nothing will stick to Hillary because she's already been defined, let us suppose this is true (I don't belioeve either portion but for the sake of argument): I again ask how does this make Hillary electable, if the impression of her is set in stone then she is never going to win, the majority in the country (according to the latest polling) view her as untrustworthy and as person who neither cares about them nor shares their values. And so I ask how do you think that a person who the majority of Americans view as a sociopahtic liar (its untrue, but as her supporters state she has fought the right for 15 years, what they don't add is that she has by and large lost that fight-- she isn't her Husband she doesn't have his Charisma or likability), especially against a man that the same majority views as a straight talking war hero. Remember, you have all argued that the press is biased against Hillary, and this is probably true, so I ask you if she has a negative image, and its set, and the press is against her by what logic can she beat a man the press loves (more than they love any politician I have ever seen), who has an incredible image and story, and who is viewed as a paragon of the very quality (integrity) that Hillary lacks?

If instead you are arguing that we should choose a third canidate, then by all means go ahead, I and many others will listen to you, indeed you may have a very good point.

Tags: 08, Hillary, obama, third canidate, white knight (all tags)



actually she is doing fine against McCain.  And head to head match ups are not the only thing you have to look at.  
She has never been unelectable because she will win all the normal blue states plus Arkansas.
Obama has always been unelectable because he was never and will never win OH or PA.
by TeresaInPa 2008-03-20 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: no

With Obama insisting that Florida and Mich should not count, he will never win those states either.  So you can add them to the growing list of states Obama can't win.

by democrat voter 2008-03-20 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: no

She doens't win all the "normal Blue states" poll after poll has her down in WI, MN, OR, WA, and others she basically adds Arkansas and perhaps Ohio, at the price of the midwest and northwest, I don't see how that' a winning formula.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-20 11:59AM | 0 recs
Um yeah


Clinton 49
McCain 46

McCain 47
Obama 46


Clinton 50
McCain 45

Obama 52
McCain 41


Clinton 50
McCain 44

Obama 50
McCain 41


Clinton 46
McCain 45

Obama 48
McCain 44

So yeah, Clinton's really losing it in the Northwest and Midwest, with all those numbers that are nearly indistinguishable from Barack's.

by Shawn 2008-03-20 12:14PM | 0 recs
by Mayor McCheese 2008-03-20 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: A question

Actually you are wrong ,

The USA/Gallup shows her with a larger lead over Mccain.

The Cnn poll shows her with a larger lead than Obama.

The daily tracking poll shows her closer to Mccain than Obama .

Survey Usa state by state shows her doing better than Obama in key states .

The point is She has held up even with 15 years of scrutiny and these polls still show ahead .

Obama has had fawning press for 1 year and 1 1/2 weeks of scrutiny has made his numbers plumett.

It kinda validates the theory , doesn't it ?

She has had tougher scrutiny and she is still leading , even if day after day they try to attack her with different spins.

by lori 2008-03-20 11:49AM | 0 recs
Re: A question

This is just a hate filled diatribe.  What I suggest you do is stop this hate mongering that is what I suggest you do.  As for this party?  When over half of democrats are voting for Hillary, and Obama only wins by using race baiting and hating her as his reason to get this nomination, then he is not a person I will ever support, and if he is the nominee of this party?  It will be the first time in my life that I will not be voting for the democratic nominee for president.  

Now I am a life long democrat but I refuse to vote for a man that has gotten ahead by trashing our president and Hillary for his own crass political gain, and these so called democrats that are using the most ugly insults against Hillary should be ashamed of themselves for spreading these hate filled garbage talking points.  You only show how disrespectful you can be to a former democratic president that was in fact good for this country and a former first lady and senator.  so your continued comments are not only a lie, they are an ugly display of warped sense of entitlement of the O supporters.  you are not entitled to anything and you hold no command of this party.

by democrat voter 2008-03-20 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: A question

Well, I was asking an honest question but its good to see that your bias blinds you to the truth, enjoy the Koolaide.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-20 11:56AM | 0 recs
Yes, we are stuck

I don't think the SD's will have the guts to put HIllary over Obama.  Fear of losing the Africa-American vote will prevent it.  They'd rather let him have the nomination and go down to spectacular defeat in November so maybe we can build towards 2012.  A preferable long-term solution, at the short term expense of 4-years of President McCain.

The only possible way to win in November wihtout destroying the party is for Obama to drop out as soon as possible.

by DaveOinSF 2008-03-20 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: A question

Um I'm not making stuff up or anthing, I mean I don't beleive this about Hillary, just like none of you really believe Obama's some sort of Black Panther, I'm talking about unambiguous data: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/Honesty_gap.html

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-20 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: A question

My suggestions:

(a) forget about electability, the Math, and other details pertaining to the horserace.

(b) figure out who is the better candidate, as best as you can.  In this assessment, you must include all the recent information, but you must not ignore older information as well.

(c) support that candidate, regardless of the consequences

And the consequences will take care of themselves...

by SevenStrings 2008-03-20 12:14PM | 0 recs


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