"You've Been Bamboozled!" Obama, Spike Lee, Malcolm X , Bill Clinton and the Press Corps

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As reported by the Chicago Sun Times on Friday from South Carolina:

"Don't be hoodwinked. Don't be bamboozled," Obama told crowds several times during the day.


As a movie and Denzel fan, those words were very familiar to me.  Theyr'e from Spike Lee's Malcolm X.  I remember going to see that movie soon after Bill Clinton won in 1992.


They were the eternal words of Malcolm X regarding political maneuvering in the African American community


http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpe eches/moviespeechmacolmxharlem.html


In my mind, I heard Denzel Washington proclaiming them,


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So I'm not here this afternoon as a Republican, nor as a Democrat...


So I have to stand here today as what I was when I was born: A black man.


Before there was any such thing as a Republican or a Democrat, we were black...


In fact, before there was any such place as America, we were black!


And after America has long passed from the scene, there will still be black people.


I'm gonna tell you like it really is. Every election year these politicians are sent up here to pacify us! They're sent here and setup here by the White Man!


"I say and I say it again, you've been had. You've been took. You've been HOODWINKED, BAMBOOZLED, led astray, run amok."


OH MY GOD! I KNEW I HAD HEARD THOSE WORDS BEFORE! But it wasn't just one word - "bamboozled" that had made my ears prick up and ask, Malcolm - is that you? So when I saw that both Spike's Malcolm and Obama had both said HOODWINKED, BAMBOOZLED, it became quite clear. It was two odd, rare and unique words used in tandem. So coincidence was OUT! Obama was sure as heck sending a clear message to the movie going public (the Spike Lee movie going public that is - if you know what I mean) of South Carolina.

Here Obama was channeling Spike Lee - channeling Malclom X! Now that's somethin'!


I Googled to see who in the national political media had written about the amazing fact that Obama had been quoting Malcolm X (as dreamed up by Spike Lee that is, Malcolm never gave such a speech, none of it, it's pure movie magic)around the state of SC at the moment that the entire national press corps was screaming like banshees about how awful and shocking it was that the Clintons just wont stop talking in dog whistle RACE CODE while campaigning!


Guess how many articles I found had been written about this in the entire media and press corps.  Go ahead guess.....of course, none.  Not one. There's one piece about this - this one. The members of the media "village" were  all too busy obsessing about and making up stories about Bill's "explosion" (again)and what  a "disgrace" and distraction he has become...to...uh, well... them.(again)


As Steve M so clearly put it:

I buy that it is not a coincidence that Barack Obama is going around, the day before the South Carolina primary, repeating over and over two words that just happen to be a well-known quote from a movie speech where Malcolm X just happens to be warning the black folks not to trust white politicians who come into their community.

Look a it this way. Do you think the press corps would look the other way if in her stump speech Hillary started quoting Gary Sinese playing the race baiting George Wallace in John Frankenheimer's bio-pic "Wallace'. Ya think?


http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/75894 8,CST-NWS-sweet25.article

"Don't be hoodwinked. Don't be bamboozled," Obama told crowds several times during the day.

So we now find that Obama's been using Spike Lee's words from fictional speeches by Malcolm X in his SC stump speech as he campaigned around the state complaining about how those awful Clintons had dared to make race an issue in this campaign....


Telling "folk" in SC they've been "hoodwinked" and bamboozled"

hmmm.


But there's more.  Seems "Bamboozled" means more to both Spike and Barack too! Theres actually a movie called 'Bamboozled', that was also directed by Spike Lee. I'm not hoodwinking ya folks!


Let's go to the pages of the academic quarterly, the "Literary Review" to consider the deeper meaning behind all of this.

A Rhetoric Of Symbolic Identity: An Analysis Of Spike Lee's X And(1992) and Bamboozled (2000).


http://books.google.com/books?id=19gl1Pj Hqb0C&dq=malcolm+x+hoodwinked+bamboo zled


The film' Bamboozled' starts where Spike Lee's 'X' ends. The term bamboozled was used by Malcolm to illustrate white corporate America management, manipulation of ideology, and discourse within the public sphere. In the opening scene of Bamboozled, Malcom's voice is cleary heard, "you have been hoodwinked, bamboozled..." The film centers on the "bamboozled effect" of blacks and how that, in turn, shapes and defies black identity.


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From Wiki:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozled


Bamboozled is a 2000 satirical film written and directed by Spike Lee about a modern televised minstrel show featuring black actors donning blackface makeup and the violent fall-out from the show's success. The word "Bamboozled" means "purposefully confused, tricked or led astray".


The content is intended as satirical, with its show within a show featuring its characters, all in blackface, performing in a watermelon patch.

 

The script expresses rage and grief at media representations of black people, largely through the eyes of its moral center, Sloan Hopkins (played by Jada Pinkett Smith). Johnnie Cochran, and Al Sharpton (Cochran and Sharpton appear as themselves in the film, protesting the television series).


Synopsis


Pierre Delacroix , played by Damon Wayans, is an uptight Harvard-educated black man working for a television network that routinely rejects his proposals for what he sees as intelligent shows involving black people. He is further tormented by his boss Thomas Dunwitty (played by Michael Rapaport), a tactless, boorish white man who proudly proclaims that he is more black than Delacroix.

 

(Think Obama identifies with this movie a little?)


Facing the necessity of either coming up with a hit black-centric show or being fired, Delacroix decides to aim for the latter. If the network fires him, he rationalizes, it will release him from his employment contract, allowing him to seek work at another network. With help from his personal assistant, Sloan Hopkins (played by Jada Pinkett Smith), Delacroix decides to pitch a minstrel show, complete with black actors in blackface, in the belief that the network will reject such over-the-top racism and fire him on the spot.  To Delacroix's horror, not only does Dunwitty enthusiastically endorse the show, it also becomes hugely successful.


The film concludes with a long montage of racially insensitive and demeaning clips of black characters from Hollywood films of the first half of the 20th century.


Oh those damn Clintons.  Why do THEY have to keep bringing race into this campaign. Why can't they be more like Barack, abide by the pledge (wink, wink!), and just quote from their favorite movies when they speak!  Like 'Birth of the Nation' or something...


Thursday in SC President Clinton responded to a CNN reporter who grabbed him on his way out of a event and asked him to respond to charges from Dick Harpootlian, a former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party and a supporter of Barack Obama, who said some of Bill Clinton's recent remarks on the campaign trail were appeals based on race and gender. He said the comments were meant to "suppresses the vote, demoralize voters, and distort the record," and said they were "reminiscent of Lee Atwater."


Bill responded to these charges and the reporter calmly and truthfully, which of course, set the media on another round of false tales that the President had "exploded", distorted and lied.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/01/23/bill-clinton-gets-upset-with-cnn -reporter/


"This rhetoric is getting a little carried away here. And let me remind you, my ultimate answer is this -- there are still two people around who marched with Martin Luther King and risked their lives, John Lewis and Reverend Andrew Young. They both said that Hillary was right and the people who attacked her were wrong, and that she did not play the race card, but they did.


"So I don't have to defend myself from Dick Harpootlian. I will just refer you to John Lewis and Andrew Young. And let him go get in an argument with them about it.


Of course, the entire press corps went crazy and breathless about this - but STILL refused to present the Presidents POV.  They pretended complete confusion about his charge of Obama's "hit job", even though it was clear the President was referring to the companion piece to the "Punjab' memo that attacked Clinton's finances that Obamas campaign had tried to silently push with the press corps. They feigned confusion even though the President had been quite specific about what he meant by this up in NH.


Here's John Lewis on PBS News Hour, which was not reported on anywhere else in the media.  No where.  Just this little blog.  Google it to see.  The only place Rep. Lewis's response has been seen is here and on a few blogs who have picked it up from here. Even after the President said go look to the hero Lewis, they still all have refused to show you his words. These words:


"It is unfortunate that people have tried to distort what Mrs. Clinton had to say about Dr. King."

"I think there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt by some people in the Obama campaign to really fan the flames about race and to really distort what Senator Clinton said.  I understood and I think most right thinking people understood what she said.

"President and Senator Clinton have a record, a history, a very long history of bringing people together. No right thinking American would ever think that Senator or President Clinton would ever do anything that would use the race card"

"I must tell you...I'm trying to set the record straight...the Obama camp is doing something else, theyr'e sending out memos to the media trying to suggest that the Clintons are playing the race card."

-Rep. John Lewis on News Hour 1/14

Is that clear enough? Don't you think in fairness that the American people should get to hear that point of view from a civil rights icon and true national hero?

But the media refuses to report anything that doesnt fit their script that the Clintons are truly bad and loathsome scoundrels.

Through distortion and deception the press corps is once again "hoodwinking" many voters who don't as yet know not to trust these unworthy bastard sons of Cronkite, Lippman and Reston. They're "Bamboozling" a large and gullible segment of the American people who would never consider the idea that our news media has become so corrupted that they are as much of the problem as the Bushies, the Abramhoffs, the Delays all added together.

Remember all the media darlings who now savage Hillary and promote Obama; Russert, Mathewss Dowd, Rich, Arianna, Sullivan. They all worked to destroy Gore in 2000 and elect Dubya to the White House. Remember these are obamas friends. Remember that and wonder why.

Tags: Bill Clinton, GA, hllary, obama, race, sc (all tags)

Comments

72 Comments

A cautionary hint...

Good for him.  Loved the Malcolm X flick, too.  Where's your sense of humour?  Ya' gotta' laugh...

Better be careful, now that Obama's been crippled...  It's pretty risky messing with fatally wounded critters, ya' know.  Better get the death squad in on this one.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Sometimes a word is just a word.  Let's not get too carried away here. Even if it was picked as slightly subliminal, ther are some things we should just "go."

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-25 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Aw, c'mon...  Let 'er rip.  Surely this is as credible as anything else..  Why simply frame Obama as a 'black' candidate when you can go the whole Muslim radical thing...  Think of the tie-in with your favourite email, United Trinity and Farrakhan, the whole deal...  Burn, baby, burn... Stokely Carmichael... Eldridge Cleaver.  Don't be so timid, there's endless potential here.  There must be a dozen diaries in this.  Think how sweet it would be to incite an actual riot, in LA, on the eve of the primary.  Could anything be better?

Seymour is laying out a rich banquet table for you guys, eat and be merry.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

You need to shut up.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 09:51PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

oh steve, i love this act of yours.

by leewesley 2008-01-25 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

I think I am the most guileless person on this entire site.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Maybe so, but ain't saying much, is it?  I wonder, though.  You're a slippery fish, and cold too.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:31PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

I totally agree with you Steve.

by lonnette33 2008-01-26 03:40AM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

It is Obama who is responsible for being framed as a "black candidate."  Most Hillary suppoters condemned any sort of race-baiting before Obama started all this.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-25 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Really?  Do tell.  And the Hillary campaign, Bill...  Just along for the ride, eh?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:32PM | 0 recs
to me, obama is dead

as a threat to ge the nomination, so its no game about "ghettoizig" obama.  thats press corps overthinkig and underthinking bullshit. a dumb conspiracy theory now totally accepted by the idiots of the village.

whatever damage obamaa over race and mlk/lbj was entirely self inflicted.

my fear is simple.  the long term damage, not in the AA community (we will be fine there) as much as the long term damage of a media spread script that the clitons cheated, lied and destroyed a poor innocent lamb to get he nomination.

which is all utter bullshit and will be the nucleus of he gop attack.

the chicago crew here have been the damn dirty players in this season.  you being a kool aid drinker -no offense - cant see this and the frigging press REFUSES  to tell the truth.

even those who arent to dumb to miss it.

why have NONE OF THEM REPORTED WHAT JOHN LEWIS SAID?  NONE!

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-25 10:21PM | 0 recs
Re: to me, obama is dead

Self inflicted?  An accident of birth, you might say.  Your fear is real but has been taken into account, has it not?  Surely the master of micro-polling has modelled this one with great precision or else they would have never dared.  But they did.

Cheated, lied and destroyed?  There's a thought.  And poor Hillary, the innocent, surrounded, as you note, by enemies.  The media, the corpse of her latest victim, blood still warm, not to mention the Republicans waiting in the wings.  Fear not.  All is well, the tragedy has ended and when the curtain falls all will be forgotten.

Ya' reap what ya' sow, doncha?  Don't worry.  The Obamanauts will disperse without a whimper and all will be forgotten.  What power is there in hope and ideals?  None whatsoever.  You understand that, if anyone.  Nah, nothing to see here.  No-one will remember, or care.  No-one will hold the Clintons accountable, certainly not after they deliver the hoped for result to legions of adoring progressives thirsting for victory.  No, all is well.  No grudges harboured in the hearts of those who tasted for a few moments what it might be like to actually have an aspiration or dream.  How powerful could that be?  Imagine, I have a dream, what a load of nonsense that kind of rhetoric is.  It will soon be forgotten and you can get back to the art of the possible without distraction.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:44PM | 0 recs
Re: to me, obama is dead

You don't own the market on either hope or ideals.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 10:47PM | 0 recs
Re: to me, obama is dead

No.  No-one does.  Free, priceless, ubiquitous and endlessly disruptive to the machinations of the empowered.  Kind of an elegant symmetry, don't you think?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:55PM | 0 recs
please rec me hen

we want this known

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-26 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: to me, obama is dead

To the contrary, I'm sure we all understand the power of martyrdom.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:52PM | 0 recs
Re: to me, obama is dead

Hmm...  Food for thought there, eh?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:53PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

But Obama choose this route, it was his decision to fight this way.

So I dont uderstand your point?

by Marsha1 2008-01-26 11:22AM | 0 recs
Muslim Emails

I saw him Thursday night in Charleston. These terms are used in connection with his request that folks not be fooled by the "Obama is a muslim who hates America" emails. I was surprised that he brought up these emails in his stump speech, and it was interesting how many folks in the audience spoke up saying "yeah, I got one of those." Notably, Obama never suggested that the emails were being pushed by the Clintons.

Rather, he was just saying don't be fooled by this crap (using, admittedly, language designed to have impact among black audiences). The emails have been circulating heavily in South Carolina--and evidently jewish voters have been specifically targeted. There have also been reports of people handing out equivalent literature (Obama is a muslim) at churches. He has to deal with it directly at this point.

by DPW 2008-01-25 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

I don't know that Malcolm X ever said "bamboozled," but the rest is pretty authentic even if it wasn't a real speech.  Let me see what I can find...

this is the year of politics. This is the year when all of the white politicians are going to come into the Negro community. You never see them until election time. You can't find them until election time. They're going to come in with false promises, and as they make these false promises they're gonna feed our frustrations and this will only serve to make matters worse.

I'm no politician. I'm not even a student of politics. I'm not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor an American, and got sense enough to know it. I'm one of the 22 million black victims of the Democrats, one of the 22 million black victims of the Republicans, and one of the 22 million black victims of Americanism.

As a good radical, I sure hope you know your Malcolm... or maybe you're just a movie buff!

I'm actually laughing at the shamelessness of it all.  You gotta admit, they've improved the dog-whistle quite a bit since that Katrina thing.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 09:32PM | 0 recs
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What do you mean?

by masslib1 2008-01-25 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

I mean that I buy what's being said in the diary, but I just kinda shrug it off.  I mean, the script has already been written, any racial reference in this campaign is somehow the fault of the evil Clintons.  So why fight it?

by Steve M 2008-01-25 09:42PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, no kidding.  This stuff is really starting to get to me.  It's hard for me to shrug off.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 09:44PM | 0 recs
heres why

th press are actually saying out loud that this is their excuse to actively fight to keep the clintons out of the white house.

its worse than even i would have expected.

bill clinton has show that he is willing to push back and fight them on this bull shit race card CW, we supporters should back him all he way.

Don forget what these jerks can do.  Remember what hey did in 2000?  it should be our alamo, always remembered to keep our contempt and concern high.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-25 09:58PM | 0 recs
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What is it exactly that you 'buy?'  Caveat emptor.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:17PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

I buy that it is not a coincidence that Barack Obama is going around, the day before the South Carolina primary, repeating over and over two words that just happen to be a well-known quote from a movie speech where Malcolm X just happens to be warning the black folks not to trust white politicians who come into their community.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Let those who have ears hear.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:46PM | 0 recs
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Hear what? This is crap.  Hillary cares about everyone, not just white people.  She's not trying to bamboozle anyone.  Did you know Hillary has the most diverse campaign staff?  She has the lowest percentage of whites on her staff.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 10:49PM | 0 recs
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Well, it was a scriptural reference and meant to be light hearted, hopefully.  In the spirit of Christ as manifest in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas:


Jesus said, "There was a rich man who was very wealthy. He said, 'I shall use my wealth so that I may sow, reap, and plant, so that I may fill my storehouse with grains and produce, so that I will have enough to live well. ' This is what he intended to do, but that very night he died. Let those who have ears hear."

He said, " There was a good man who had a vineyard. He rented it to tenant farmers who would work it and then give him the crop. He sent a servant to collect from the tenants. They grabbed him and nearly beat him to death. The servant returned and told his master. The master said, 'Maybe they didn't know who he was.' He sent another servant. The tenants beat him also. The master sent his son and said, 'Maybe now they will show respect to my son.' The tenants knew that he was the heir to the land, so they caught him and then killed him. Let those who have ears hear."

Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the Father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven and put it in some dough and then made it into bread loaves. Let those with ears hear."

The Apocryphal Gospel of Thomas

And so forth.  It was intended as a double entendre on Obama's alleged messianic quality coupled with the Christian vs Muslim overtones of the Malcolm X references in the diary, given that Obama is a member in good standing of the Trinity United Church of Christ.  Apologies for any offence or slight unintentionally caused.  Perhaps Hillary supporters should work on their funny bones and pursue their classical educations just a wee bit.  There's more to life than politics, and winning, you know.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-26 12:05AM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

I sorta think you're the only one who picked up on those "Christian vs. Muslim overtones," by the way.  This is still a progressive blog, and I really don't think many people hear the name Malcolm X and go "OMG, scary Muslim!"

by Steve M 2008-01-26 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Why fight it, indeed! I'm starting to embrace the whole false narrative that the Clintons have somehow walked away from the black community. From a purely political standpoint (especially in the general election) it's like Sista Souljah on steroids.

I hope the young black community attacks the Democrats with ferocious and media-grabbing anger during the fall campaign. A Million Man March against the Democratic candidate would be pure gold.

by hwc 2008-01-26 06:04AM | 0 recs
2 words

no coincidence possible.

hoodwinked AND bamboozled?

the hypocrisy of this is unbelievable.

i just watched the 2 friday night press shows, wash week and...the other one.

he press falsely blamed clinton 100 percent for this and actually said this NEW AND ADDITIONAL contempt will taint their coverage through november .

they said this.

axelrod, gibbs and co have planted a poison in our system.

they must be exposed for what they are doing.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-25 09:46PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Have fun trying to find someone in the press corps who knows their Spike Lee!

by Steve M 2008-01-25 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Well, I find this very upsetting.  Does Obama really see himself as the victim of racism, or is he just playing on the fears, and experiences of others?  

by masslib1 2008-01-25 09:52PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

I think he is a skilled politician who does what he needs to in order to win.  I wouldn't have the first idea about his actual beliefs.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Surely you realise he no longer has a celluloid rat's chance in hell of winning?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:48PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Well, have you seen the emails? It's not like nothing has really happened to him (again, to be clear, I'm not attributing the emails to the Clintons).

by DPW 2008-01-25 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

I'm referring, of course, to the "Obama is a muslim who hates America" emails.

by DPW 2008-01-25 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Yes, that's awful.  But it hardly seems like anyone believes that.  Certainly not in SC.  He's got a commanding lead there.  I think people know they can't trust emails online.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 09:57PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Yeah, so?  I've read that far worse emails have been sent out about Hillary.  It's weirdo's and Republicans, most likely.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

DPW, I appreciate that you were at one of the speeches, but no one with any sense is going to believe that Barack Obama just happens to be going around, the day before the South Carolina primary, repeating over and over two words that just happen to be a well-known quote from a movie speech where Malcolm X just happens to be warning the black folks not to trust white politicians who come into their community.

After all we've been asked to swallow about how every word out of the mouth of anyone associated with the Clinton campaign is racist code, please, just don't even try.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

I'm not saying that the terms are not loaded and deliberate. I'm just saying that we're doing our best to combat a reprehensible smear campaign. I think if you watch the video, it comes off as rather light-hearted. I certainly don't think it's something to worked up over. He doesn't seem to be trying to create bitterness toward whitey.

by DPW 2008-01-25 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

As long as we can at least agree on what's going on, I don't see any need to make a big issue out of it.  As with my diary earlier today, my sole agenda is to nudge people into understanding that their candidate is not virtuous and pure.  That doesn't mean he's not worth supporting.

Best of luck at the polls tomorrow.  Pay no attention to the "Obama supporters vote on Sunday" signs.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Au contraire, mon ami.  Your diary was explicitly an invitation to repudiate the theme of his campaign, that there is something worth believing in beyond the narrow ambition of a politician's personal aggrandisement.  And you made your point well.  Once the message of ideals and aspiration is destroyed we might as well have Hillary, at least she is a secutor to his retiarius.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:24PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

You can like your candidate without being all glassy-eyed about it.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Glassy-eyed?  You mean like a corpse?  Thanks kindly.  Do you do eulogies?

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

I'm afraid this little drama of yours will have to be a one-man show.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:56PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Save the disapprobation for the avaricious and disgruntled investors of your clients, they deserve it.  You know what I am am talking about and in spite of our occasional spats and the eroding tendencies of your understandable cynicism we seem to enjoy these dialogues.  At least I do.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 11:45PM | 0 recs
bob johnson was trying to make a joke

a light hearted put down - did you laugh that off too?

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-25 10:29PM | 0 recs
Re: bob johnson was trying to make a joke

A light-hearted put-down?  Yeah, right...  You can drop the pretence, Seymour, he's been destroyed.  On to the next victim.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-25 10:51PM | 0 recs
Re: bob johnson was trying to make a joke

Finally, a kernal of truth. Destroying people is what this is all about. How lovely.

by LakersFan 2008-01-26 08:30AM | 0 recs
rec this walt, we want this known

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-26 09:19AM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

To be clear, those emails are totally unacceptable, I just don't think many people, certainly few who vote Dem, believe them.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 10:00PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Here's an interesting article about the email's impact in SC. You may not believe it (and I certainly don't want to), but it is worth reading, I think.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-hans en/south-carolina-in-black-a_b_82325.htm l

I've lived in SC for most of my life. I love my state, but I don't underestimate the prejudices of my fellow South Carolinians.

by DPW 2008-01-25 10:03PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Polling suggests very few people buy it.

by masslib1 2008-01-25 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Perhaps you saw the letter 7 Jewish senators sent this week in reaction to one of the emails that has been targeted at the Jewish community.  Presumably, they think there's at least a chance some folks would bite.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Ok, sure, but generally, few are going to.  I won't speak to the emails going around about Hillary, but I know some have bitten.  Most won't.  

by masslib1 2008-01-25 10:08PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

I imagine some people might believe it, which is a shame. I would hope that most of these people aren't voting in the Democratic primary.

by OrangeFur 2008-01-25 10:19PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Well, my people do tend to vote in the Democratic primary.  But yeah...

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:22PM | 0 recs
Re: 2 words

Exposed?  They are destroyed.  Thy work is done, rest thee.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-26 12:12AM | 0 recs
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by MollieBradford 2008-01-26 04:50AM | 0 recs
Brilliant Diary

This should get front-paged.  Excellent and very convincing analysis.

The thing is, in and of itself, I love the idea that Obama is out giving Malcolm X speeches.  But the fact that his campaign racially demonized the Clintons just twists the whole context around and what could have been wonderful becomes disturbing and very hypocritical.

And that really seems to be the way it is with his campaign.  It's all about rhetoric, but the rhetoric doesn't even get channeled into campaign behavior, so what's to make anybody think it might ever actually become policy?

by Trickster 2008-01-25 10:07PM | 0 recs
Hey Smokey

No biggie but I want to point out a "Clintonism" in your race baiting diary.

The date of the Pennsylvania primary was April 28, 1992; the release date of Malcolm X was November 18, 1992.

by mboehm 2008-01-25 10:12PM | 0 recs
i know i saw it in philly

i was there for the general and a girlfriend too.

it was a long time ago.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-25 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: i know i saw it in philly

False in one thing, false in all things!  You race baiter, you.

by Steve M 2008-01-25 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Obama never was, or will be, anything more than a tool by the MSM and its RIght-wing pundits to prevent another Clinton White House--and to do so by way of a Reagan-loving, Clinton-hating African-American out to destroy the very fabric of the Democratic Party.

Whatever happens tonight--whether African-Americans are taken in by this spoiled brat who hasn't got a clue (like Greek-Americans were once taken in by Vice President Spiro Agnew, who resigned in disgrace, or by the terrible candidacy of Michael Dukakis)--is not truly germane.  Obama plays race cards where they work--he cannot in Florida and beyond.

Starting with Florida, except for Obama's Illinois, look for Hillary to sweep.

And then, thank the Lord, we bedrock Democrats can toss out the Reagan-loving and Clinton hating Obama supporters from our party.  And we can fire Howard Dean, whose entire calendar was meant to augment Obama while disparaging the Clintons.

We are taking our party back!  Let the Obama minions find themselves a party of their own!

And come February 5, we are going to give the MSM and their pundits a well-overdue national slap in the face.

They hate our Clintons.  We hate them right back.

by lambros 2008-01-26 12:18AM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

How are you going to find us?  Get a hold of the mailing lists and report us as suspicious aliens?  Or just seek us out one by one and strangle us in our sleep?  Go on you pitiful, diminishing meta-nativist, tell me, how are you planning to revenge yourself on the supporters of a candidate who dared to oppose the coronation of your precious Hillary?  What a load of total rubbish.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-01-26 01:24AM | 0 recs
Speak the truth Seymour, my brother.

Seymour, this is great diary. It's not what the Obama worshipers what to hear, but it is the truth. I have a friend in Memphis (AA), who is an Obama supporter (die-hard). She sent one of those year-end letters to all her friends. Apparently, these letters are all the "rage". Anyway, at the end of the letter, she said and I quote, "Don't get bamboozled by the Clintons, Obama 08".  Then I got an email from another friend with the same verbiage. Things that make you go hmm...

by lonnette33 2008-01-26 03:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Speak the truth Seymour, my brother.

Rec'd.

by lonnette33 2008-01-26 03:53AM | 0 recs
You know, assuming Spike Lee movie's are race bait

is itself reace baiting.

I can't wait for the primaries to be over so you two sets of assholes (diehard Hilaritans and Obamanites) will finally shut yer damn traps.

by Teaser 2008-01-26 04:26AM | 0 recs
never thought, felt or said that

your assumption about my assuming is dead wrong.

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-26 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: "You've Been Bamboozled!"

Obama's race baiting has so disgusted me.  I have nothing but contempt left for him now.  

by WMCB 2008-01-26 10:20AM | 0 recs

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