The Snub: It just got worse

You know The Snub must be bad, because already Obama is...well...lying about it.

"I was turning away because Claire [McCaskill] asked me a question, as Senator Kennedy was reaching for her [Clinton]," Obama said.

Really? Seems like an odd time for her to ask a question, doesn't it?

Luckily, we can go to the photos and judge for ourselves:

Here's the precise moment he turned away:

Whats Claire doing here? She's clapping, mouth closed, and looking at Hillary.

Different angle, taken just a second before. You make the call. Where's Claire? And why isn't he looking at her?:

Incidentally, apparently David Axelrod didn't get the memo, because he has a different story:

"This was obviously an awkward day from that standpoint, and I don't think he wanted to stand there while Senator Kennedy was greeting Senator Clinton." 108/Axelrod_explains_.html

Media accounts agree: He turned away on his own, with no prompting from McCaskill. However, I did read an account that said she tapped him on the shoulder after a couple of awkward moments of him with his back to Hillary. Maybe thats what they are latching onto. Pretty weak though.

Anyway....thank you once again, Barack, for not only needlessly bringing this public relations problem upon yourself, but making it worse by not telling the truth.

UPDATE: Question....anybody know where a video of this can be found? Also, further analysis: This was all taking place in a noisy Senate chamber. If McCaskill wanted to get Barack's attention, she would have had to do one of two things: tap on his shoulder or, because Teddy was standing between, yell out "HEY BARACK!". We know that the tap on the shoulder didn't happen, that is obvious from the 2nd photo. And we can guess that she didn't yell out his name, because every person's natural reaction to that is to immediately snap in the direction of the yell and look right at the person. What he did was sorta duck away and look to her left (2nd photo). And again, wouldn't she be looking at him if she was desperate to get his attention at such an awkward time? In other words..."Back, and to the left...."

UPDATE II: Thank you, Taylor Marsh, for your most excellent shout-out to this diary on your radio show today! Much appreciated.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, snub (all tags)



tips if you got em

by Scan 2008-01-29 08:51AM | 0 recs
I noticed axelrod contradicted him

earlier too

by TarHeel 2008-01-29 08:53AM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton doesn't deserve cordial

treatment from Obama given the kind of nasty campaign the Clintons have been waging. How can anyone blame Obama for not liking what the Clintons have been doing?

And how pathetic of Clintonites to be peddling this nonsense soap opera.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-01-29 09:25AM | 0 recs
Claire supports Obama's version.

I'm sure you won't believe her, but I doubt anything would make you change your mind.

by MNPundit 2008-01-29 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: tips if you got em

Recommended, and thanks for doing this. The question boils down to this:

Did Barack Obama shake Hillary Clinton's hand?

The answer:

No, he did not.

He had the opportunity to do so.

He chose not to shake her hand.

Now, that's all that matters. Obama, Axelrod and McCaskill can spin it all they want. But, the fundamental truth is that clearly if Obama had WANTED to shake Hillary Clinton's hand, he could have done so. Obviously Hillary Clinton shook Ted Kennedy's hand.

Obama chose not to.

And, it says a lot about the man's pettiness, mean-spirit, and peevishness. He's a bully, just like George W. Bush.

Just like when he deserted his volunteers who worked so hard for his campaign in Nevada, and refused to give a "concession" speech. The campaign, aka, David Axelrod, said they didn't give a "concession" speech because they didn't consider it a "loss."

That isn't the point.

When people work so hard for your campaign ON THE GROUND, doing the grunt work (yeah, can you tell? I've been there, done that) it means the world to them to have you give a big speech thanking them, and vowing to go on in the campaign.

It's a real travesty that Barack Obama didn't do that. And, all the campaign could offer was "we didn't consider it a loss."

That's cold, David.

by Tennessean 2008-01-29 01:09PM | 0 recs
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Wow, that's pretty damning...

by ejintx 2008-01-29 08:53AM | 0 recs
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Who cares????  This has absolutely nothing to do with issues that affect any of us.

by minvis 2008-01-29 08:54AM | 0 recs
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...but its fun.

by Scan 2008-01-29 08:54AM | 0 recs
sure it does

it has to do with a man running for President who is acting more like Bush than Gore.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-29 08:57AM | 0 recs
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But it is being picked upon. It was on tv in my local barber shop this morning.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
an awkward day?

it was just an endorsement.  Grown up politicians can handle those days and shake hands.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-29 08:55AM | 0 recs
Claire McCaskill . . .

Tells a very different version of all this

by Bill White 2008-01-29 08:58AM | 0 recs
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Bambi hiding behind a broad's broad back!  Quick learner from teddy!

I never touched that button!

Claire: you just a small issue even bigger by saying what you did!  Ask Axelrod!

by pate 2008-01-29 09:00AM | 0 recs
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Claire stands up for HER MAN!

by pate 2008-01-29 09:01AM | 0 recs
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Gosh.  I'm convinced.  He's rude!  I'm switching my vote dammit!

by Drummond 2008-01-29 09:04AM | 0 recs
obama's gestures

are not those of a person responding to someone's question.

by truthteller2007 2008-01-29 09:05AM | 0 recs
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This is more important than the 5 american soldiers that died in Iraq yesterday..doncha know?

Or the 36 that have died this month. or the 59 that have died in the last 58 days.

I mean, c'mon..what is really important is the attempt at a gotcha moment that wasn't?

Hillaryis44 is outdoing itself.

by hawkjt 2008-01-29 09:07AM | 0 recs
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i have no affiliation with hillaryis44.

Iraq is a tragedy that must be stopped. this is politics...and politics goes on despite that.

by Scan 2008-01-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
clumsy deflection

you only get a 4.15 out of 10 for that one.

by MollieBradford 2008-01-29 09:13AM | 0 recs
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It's not, but the electorate considers personality as a very important factor - remember all the conversation about Clinton being so cold.  Things like this need to alert Obama to be more gracious and aware of his actions.  That's not only important for a candidate but for any elected official.

For me, this is criticism but criticism that Obama would be wise to use constructively.

by ejintx 2008-01-29 09:14AM | 0 recs
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LOL!   I watched it, so I saw what he did.  But thanks for the photo.  He truly is a petty, small man.

by WMCB 2008-01-29 09:10AM | 0 recs
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Clearly, this has turned the election. Go home, Obama supporters.

by animated 2008-01-29 09:18AM | 0 recs
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Of course not any more than all the Kennedy hype did. It is amazing how this stuff is received. A ten second comment on it appeared on tv burbling in my local barbershop this morning and produced a couple of comments. It's very upscale Republican neighborhood and the guys were all grumpy old men so I won't repeat comments. I'll leave them to your imagination.  

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 09:44AM | 0 recs
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Meh. Maybe if he had given her the finger...:)

by animated 2008-01-29 09:50AM | 0 recs
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You would have advised that no doubt.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
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Animated what you don't get is that these grumpy old men wouldn't vote for Hillary in a million years. But they thought he was tacky. Human sensiblility is a very odd thing sometimes.  

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 09:57AM | 0 recs
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Yes. The  primary is over. Obama didn't want to kiss the butt of his opponent.
Hillary is going to get worse treatment than this from the folks in the Middle East if she becomes president.
by xodus1914 2008-01-29 10:41AM | 0 recs
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Axelrod and Obama didn't even get on the same page?

Quick, which one will become the official story?

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-01-29 09:18AM | 0 recs
isn't this on videotape

like see if McCaskill's mouth moves before Obama turns around?

by TarHeel 2008-01-29 09:41AM | 0 recs

by Seymour Glass 2008-01-29 09:45AM | 0 recs
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Perhaps Obama turned the page.

by bowiegeek 2008-01-29 09:53AM | 0 recs
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Look I don't care if he snubbed her , I can't wait for Feb 5. for Hillary Clinton to come out on top.

I have been looking at the internals of polls that have come out after the whole south carolina election and ted keneddy and he seems not to have gotten any bounce from it , it actually looks like her support is getting firmer.

South Carolina is proving to be somewhat of an aberration in terms of how her broad support collapsed ( women , old etc) , across the Feb 5 states that have polled that broad coalition that helped in NH is still intact.

Another Tenessee poll out and she is ahead due to that base.

" Barack Obama may have won the South Carolina primary big, but in another southern
state with a much smaller black population he is not gaining a ton of momentum. Hillary
Clinton leads the state by a 43-32 margin. John Edwards is lagging at 16%.
"The primary electorate in Tennessee is only about 25% black," said Debnam. "Obama
continues to perform well behind Clinton among white voters, and he's going to have
difficulty winning primaries in states without large African American populations if that
Obama leads Clinton 60-20 among black voters in the poll, but trails her 50-22 with
white voters. After struggling with female voters in South Carolina, Clinton appears to
be back to form, leading Obama 47-28 with that group in Tennessee " PP_Tennessee_Release_012908.pdf

Clinton 43

obama 32

Edwards 16.

Hope this continues. This is better news.

by lori 2008-01-29 09:26AM | 0 recs
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My sister was watching and told me about this while it was on and I didn't believe her- she swore that is what she saw- I couldn't imagine though that is what happened- whatever happened, obviously those watching believed they saw it like they described.  Bizarre.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-29 09:26AM | 0 recs
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King Richard via Shakespere:
A Horse! a horse! My kingdom for a horse!

Prince Obama via You Tube:
Bad manners! bad manners! My presidency for bad manners!

Mr. Obama will find that the fate of men sometimes hangs on the smallest of deeds and by the thinnest of threads.

Remember New Hampshire!

by superetendar 2008-01-29 09:33AM | 0 recs
The snub that wasn't

I can't believe the pic above shows just how dishonest Obama is when he said that he was talking to Senator McCaskill when Kennedy was talking to Clinton. (snark0

Oh the horrors...the snub that wasn't...LOL!.

This is just ridiculous.  This whole thing is like high school.  This site is getting more and more ridiculous.

by puma 2008-01-29 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: The snub that wasn't

The fact that all this has to be explained to you Puma says more about you than Clinton or Obama.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 09:51AM | 0 recs
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Now that he's done snubbing Hillary, he can move on and snub the voters of Florida. Carry on, Sen. Obama!

by Tove 2008-01-29 09:56AM | 0 recs
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that's actually true. not substantive and I don't think clinton's supporters should be gleeful about it, as it's really a sign of the stupidity of our times.

but it is what it is. lots of support for Obama for equally insipid reasons.

the additional issue here is that it also contradicts the idea he's this civil, non-partisan guy. so not really sure: part of me thinks that this is an inconsequential, passing storm. It's certainly passing, but it may have consequences -- particularly when contrasted with obmama's moving rhetoric about togetherness.

by CalDem 2008-01-29 10:06AM | 0 recs
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Human sensibility is hard to understand let alone predict. Imagine it had happened at a family wedding what would your reaction have been. What a jerk. It just looked tacky because as much as the Obama fans want to protest, it was tacky.  

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 10:11AM | 0 recs
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by TexasDems 2008-01-29 10:08AM | 0 recs
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I just can't seem to grasp what others see in Obama that I don't. I just see a man with the gift of gab who seems to have an excuse for every questionable thing that he's ever done. "Boneheaded/" No, Barrack, when you call upon a corrupt friend to assist you in purchasing a home, it's not "boneheaded", it's just a form of stupidity....stupidity that we can't stomach in a candidate for President of the United States of America. Rude, petty.....yes, he's proven himself to be a much smaller man than he projects himself to be.

by TexasDems 2008-01-29 10:13AM | 0 recs
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I'm still not getting what Senator Obama actually did wrong.  If Sen. Clinton and Sen. Kennedy were shaking hands and having a conversation, what would have been the "proper" reaction, to stare her down?  If someone you were talking to gets approached, it's natural to turn and find someone else to talk to.

But let's turn this around a little bit:  If Obama and Kennedy were standing side by side and Sen. Clinton went to shake Sen. Kennedy's hand first, does that means she snubbed Obama by not acknowledging her presidential rival?

I don't think he snubbed her...I don't think she snubbed him.  I don't think they like each other very much at this point, but that doesn't mean this was anything more than one snapshot in time from a distance away with no context other than what Sens. Obama and McCaskill have already said.

I don't know whether this is going to have an impact on what happens next Tuesday, but I hope it doesn't.  We're electing a president, not 7th grade class officers.  I just think it's trying to score cheap points.

by gophakilla 2008-01-29 10:22AM | 0 recs
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If it has to be explained you'll never understand it. He clearly turned his back on her has was very apparent to a bunch of journalists who commented on it, most of them normally Obamaphants. Let me try and make it easy. Imagine if this happened at a family wedding. If you still don't get got back to opening sentence.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 10:38AM | 0 recs
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You don't usually win many friends to your cause by talking down to them.
I'm not an Obamamaniac nor a Clintonista nor a...whatever Edwards supporters are...I just think we should be focusing on something real.
A bunch of journalists have commented on it...better chisel it into stone because God knows journalists and commentators have never grasped hold of something insignificant and twisted it to stir up controversy.
What I was doing was approaching this from the other side.  Like I said, I don't believe that it was a "snub" on either side.  But if you want to call what Obama did a snub, isn't it also a snub to see two colleagues standing side by side and NOT first shake the hand of the one you are running against?
The answer is no, of course. If you're that politically calculating on the fly...then you honestly scare me a bit.
Like I said, I'm just frustrated at taking the time to debate this when we could be focusing on much more important things.
by gophakilla 2008-01-29 10:51AM | 0 recs
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To me it looks like she is concentrating (because it is noisy) on making sure she hears whatever he is saying.

I actually tend to make a similar slightly scrunched face/head position when I am trying to hear over noise.

by MNPundit 2008-01-29 10:48AM | 0 recs
Clear on video

He turned away, ignoring Clinton.  McCaskill "rescued" him seconds later after she saw him standing there looking aloof.

by dpANDREWS 2008-01-29 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Clear on video

where can i find this video? this is the exact same account i read somewhere.

by Scan 2008-01-29 11:06AM | 0 recs
No, it gets stupid.
So this is what our political discourse has come to; bickering over hand gestures in a crowded room.
has our collective maturity level dropped to that of pre-teens?
by fetboy 2008-01-29 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it gets stupid.

It was a social gaffe which demonstrated that this was rather a small man. Now in the scheme of things it's not up there with starting wars or denying healthcare to poor kids but as a pointer to a person's character it has loads of meaning. It like how a man treats his wife at a party, or how well he holds his drink. If you are a man and you can't see this or think it has something to do with teenage behavior you perhaps need to have a few lessons in social behavior.          

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: No, it gets stupid.

You are such a big man for pointing it out to us.

by fetboy 2008-01-29 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: No, it gets stupid.

No just a fairly normal one whose mother used to give him a slap round the ear if he didn't conduct himself reasonably. Mind you slaps round the ear are out of fashion which probably accounts for a lot of things.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: No, it gets stupid.

Or like when a husband has his wife go out on national TV and defend him even though he knows he's lying?

Like that too?

by Bush Bites 2008-01-29 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: No, it gets stupid.

Or when some guy gets sweetheart deal on a house. Yep a non sequitur - just like yours.

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 02:14PM | 0 recs
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It isn't the snub that gets you. It's the coverup of the snub that gets you.
by vj 2008-01-29 11:01AM | 0 recs
Boy this is some stupid shit

I thought this feud couldn't get dumber.  Thanks for proving me wrong.

by Teaser 2008-01-29 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Boy this is some stupid shit

Of course it's silly... I think people are just having a little fun. Of course, the media is stupid for paying attention to this, but then again, that's not a surprise.

I hope the Hillary campaign stays away from this, and focuses on issues--such as health care, in particular--instead.

by OrangeFur 2008-01-29 11:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Boy this is some stupid shit

You see that dismissive too clever by half comment demonstrates why you just don't get the significance of this. In itself a matter of miniscule importance, but as a guide to someone's way of conducting himself actually rather compelling. It's not going to make a fat lot of difference but it struck a bum note even if you didn't hear it.    

by ottovbvs 2008-01-29 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Boy this is some stupid shit

Oh, it'll get a lot dumber than this.

by Bush Bites 2008-01-29 01:35PM | 0 recs
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SHAMEFUL- and this is the guy talking about UNITY- this is NOT how a President reacts to situation.  NO CLASS.

by reasonwarrior 2008-01-29 12:29PM | 0 recs
Mr. Phony and Senator McSmirk

Obama had a good day yesterday. And yet he is still so nasty and insecure that he had to snub his Democratic rival. He couldn't help himself, since he doesn't feel that he should have to compete with anyone---the field should just be cleared for him. Then he lies about it and tries to not take responsibility for it, just like he doesn't take responsiblity by voting "present" or "pushing the wrong button."

And all his rabid followers make more excuses for him. Pathetic.

And may I just say that Claire McCaskill is a nasty, lying little piece of work, too.

by cc 2008-01-29 01:11PM | 0 recs
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I see a shadow by the Grassy Knoll.

by Bush Bites 2008-01-29 01:31PM | 0 recs
Here's Inside Edition's take

on the Snub:

I know that Obama supporters don't see this incident as a big deal, but I think it's pretty bad when you have mainstream infotainment outlets talking about "the snub" like Inside Edition or the View. Way more people watch those shows than the cable news outlets....

by ademption 2008-01-29 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's Inside Edition's take

Well, if it's on Inside Edition, it must be true.

by Bush Bites 2008-01-29 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's Inside Edition's take

I don't think you get what I'm saying, Bush Bites. I know that you discount this being bad for your guy. But think of it this way. What type of people watch Inside Edition? Mostly apolitical people. No matter what you think of the story, these apolitical people saw the snub on Inside Edition and got a negative perception of Obama from this small clip. This type of thing can become a water cooler conversation piece at work.

Again, you might not think it's a big deal. But the campaign tried to quickly address it, which tells you something....

by ademption 2008-01-29 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Here's Inside Edition's take

interesting clip. it also says "still cameras caught what happened".

i wonder if there IS any video of this? hmmm... the search continues.

by Scan 2008-01-29 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: The Snub: It just got worse

Claire looks like she's waiting to move in and shake Hillary's hand  herself. She's not paying attention to Obama at all.  Nice try, Mr 'I hardly know Tony Rezko'.

by ocli 2008-01-29 01:54PM | 0 recs
Ya all need

to go out more. This is the most ridiculous diary and comments

by Moonwood 2008-01-29 02:12PM | 0 recs


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