Edwards pulls out of CBC/Fox Debate

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Leading the way again.  Can we officially say Edwards leading the way is a trend?

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Re: Edwards pulls out of CBC/Fox Debate

I suspect Hillary won't do it for 2 reasons.

1.  Murdoch has held fundraisers for her, and her campaign staff has worked for newscorp.

2.  she doesn't want to do anything that could upset the black voters.

I hope Obama does it , but who knows

by TarHeel 2007-04-06 01:11PM | 0 recs
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Yeah. Hillary is pointless. But if Obama and Edwards are gone. And if Richardson does it again. Hillary vs Dodd? Biden? Gravel? Yeah right. They'd cancel it.

by Populista 2007-04-06 01:22PM | 0 recs
In 2004

93% of FoxNews regular viewers did NOT vote for john Kerry...

how hard is it to not agree to them sponsoring a debate.

by TarHeel 2007-04-06 01:24PM | 0 recs
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This is tougher for Obama than for Hillary or Edwards.  Skipping the debate may offend black voters, but Fox will screw him over.

The heads of the CBC need a big ass kicking for this.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-06 01:26PM | 0 recs
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CBC does not = black voters.  I imagine many black voters would be offended if he DID attend.  See, for example: http://www.colorofchange.org/cbci/index. html

Neither Jesse Jackson, nor the CBC, is the "Emperor of Black People," to quote South Park.  People think too little of black voters if they think that they will automatically be offended because a candidate chose on principle not to associate with Fox News, especially considering how Fox News has been both overtly and covertly racist on so many occasions.

by KevinH 2007-04-06 02:55PM | 0 recs
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I'm not saying all will, but the chance exists.  It is still a tough call...

I was just on Obama's blog and posted to there about how he needs to pull out of the Debates... 1st of all, I'm glad to be back on MyDD because a lot of the people on that site who responded are so politically ignorant, that I wanted to scream.  Back to some intelligence.

Anyway, there were a lot saying that He needs to appeal to their voters and that He shouldn't be afraid to debate on fox.  I of course told them what idiots they were although more tactfully than that.  They seemed to think that by being in the debate he would be confronting Fox... I pointed out that he wouldn't be talking to Fox... that FOx would instead attack the Dems with the Debate footage.  SO I pointed to Fox attacks...

But one guy was making the absolutely dumbest arguement to prove his point... he said since Obama supports holding talks with Iran, that he should go on Fox because he stands up to his enemies.  It may have been the stupidest thing I have ever read.  Last time I do on a blog populated by political neophytes who have no desire to educate themselves.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-06 08:58PM | 0 recs
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Does the Obama campaign at this point remind you of the Dean campaign in terms of political neophytes?

I know I was one of those political neophytes in 2003 that supported Dean and wrote letters to Iowa voters. Didn't work out so well. Obama's campaign is much bigger, but I wonder if come campaign time if he's going to get a lot of "help" that he doesn't particularly want.

Of course, he probably won't make the same mistake as the Dean campaign's "perfect storm" Iowa campaign in 2004. I thought it was a wonderful idea, but then again, I was one of those political neophytes.

by adamterando 2007-04-07 05:24AM | 0 recs
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Oh god those letters!

I wrote probably two dozen hand-written letters, and received one response saying essentially that Dean and I could go fuck ourselves, Iowans didn't need someone from Indiana telling them who to vote for.

I wonder if Obama will send 10,000 orange-hatted college students into rural Iowa... one can only hope lol

by Vox Populi 2007-04-07 06:35AM | 0 recs
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I actually still correspond with some of the people that I wrote letters to in the summer of '03.

by clarkent 2007-04-07 06:38AM | 0 recs
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Who are they supporting this time?

by Vox Populi 2007-04-07 06:45AM | 0 recs
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Three people - undecided between Edwards and Obama. I think they like Edwards better, and I don't think they are just humoring me, because they told me in January of 2004 flat out that they were going for Kerry and Edwards.

by clarkent 2007-04-07 06:54AM | 0 recs
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I and I signed on to the COlor of Change petition a while ago.  :-)

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-06 08:58PM | 0 recs
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He's got nothing to lose.

We should just focus on him and Obama and Richardson. If we can get them to say Fox is just a conservative hack network and they will not appear on any debate with Fox then Fox won't get debates and we won't have to spend time beating down each debate.

by Populista 2007-04-06 01:16PM | 0 recs
Sure seems to be

and this is after Jesse Jackson decided to take back his demand that CBC not join Fox.

So Edwards is pretty much alone on this, will anyone join him? I sure hope so.

And Prince is dead-on about how Fox's reaction to the last cancelation showed their true colors.

The DNC announced 6 sponsored debates a couple of days ago and also shut out Fox completely. So there's really no excuse for anyone to stay in this one. Its not about CBC, its about Fox.

by okamichan13 2007-04-06 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Sure seems to be

I wonder if we can get Roger on camera using his off camera racial slurs... or so the rumors go.

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-06 01:28PM | 0 recs
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Yeah Edwards. Good for him. Now the rest should follow.

They have TAVIS' debate.

Good channel. Great moderators. Moderators who will ask ON POINT QUESTIONS with reference to the Black community.

Go Edwards.

by rikyrah 2007-04-06 01:57PM | 0 recs
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I know that I'm in the minority, but I'm in favor of the Detroit presidential debate. The economic devestation of Detroit and urban America as a whole needs to be discussed in detail, and the views of the Detroit metro area, African-Americans, Latinos, and Whites should be heard.

by WW 2007-04-06 04:06PM | 0 recs
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Then lets have another debate in Detroit.  Leave Fox out, though.

by jallen 2007-04-06 04:13PM | 0 recs
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I think it would be interesting if the Netroots and Air America partnered with the CBC and maybe CNN or MSNBC to host a debate.

Maybe we can bypass the CBC and hold one like I mentioned independently, on the same night, in the same city.  The focus should be on Health Care and the "Urban Agenda."  What are the candidates going to do to revitalize our cities?

by Vox Populi 2007-04-06 04:17PM | 0 recs
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Great Idea!  

Why is the CBC doing this?  Is it just the money?  Or do they have a legitimate reason (in their eyes)?

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-06 09:00PM | 0 recs
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I don't see what this debate in Detroit can bring to the city.  The CBC's alliance with FOX needs to be severed, but FOX is in a pickle right now.  The most exciting candidates are on the Democratic side, and they need to show both sides to be credible.  FOX put themselves in this position for how they are the most biased news organization on television.  And don't think the Republicans will run to glee with them either.  These candidates are trying to get the FULL EXPOSURE and FOX is only a miniscule in this debate drama.

by icebergslim 2007-04-06 04:19PM | 0 recs
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My point is that the people of Detroit deserve to ask questions of the presidential candidates. We also deserve having our issues be front and center for one evening. I don't think the Tavis Smiley or Al Sharpton debates are adequate substitutes. I guess I just don't hate FOX more than I want urban issues to be at the forefront.

by WW 2007-04-06 04:35PM | 0 recs
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i hear ya.

the concensus on this site is that fox should be boycotted by democrats...

that the people who watch fox are republican wackjobs -93% voted for bush against kerry- and we should just ignore them

i'm not sure how i feel.. i usually have an opinion but not on this.. i do think its more complicated than the "fox is evil" line...

part of me thinks democrats should be on fox in order to reach out to people who dont vote democrat..

by serge in dc 2007-04-06 05:20PM | 0 recs
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This will show you the way!

by yitbos96bb 2007-04-06 09:02PM | 0 recs
Watch Fox and Report Back On What You Find

Serge, I am surprised that you have such a casual and carefree attitude towards Fox news.  Watch Fox news for an hour or so today...and report back on what you find.  Notice anything?

Fox news is THE biggest purveyor of lies and disinformation in the United States. It is a sinkhole, a sewer pit of journalistic standards.  Furthermore, Fox kills the Democratic Party for sport, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Fox is a propaganda outlet for the Republican party, plain and simple.  And then Fox has the audacity to suggest that it is "fair and balanced."  This sort of winking lie (up IS down) is perhaps its greatest threat to our Democracy. It is a big fat lie, a lie that apparently fools millions.  How sad.

Anything that helps Fox continue promulgating this lie is a bad idea, a very bad idea.  Anything that legitimizes Fox news as somehow equivalent to the news on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or NBC shows a fundamental misunderstanding about what Fox news ACTUALLY is.  Fox news is not even in the same solar system as these networks.  Fox news has to come clean: it is a right-wing propaganda network, NOT a news network.

by Demo37 2007-04-07 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Watch Fox and Report Back On What You Find

well idon't have tv

i don't like fox news..

but then again i also think the rest of the mainstream media is pretty bad.. not as bad ..but pretty bad.... what they did to dean for example... what they did to gore....their reporting in general

anyways i see your point.. as i said i don't have a strong opinion either way...

by serge in dc 2007-04-07 02:25PM | 0 recs
And they still will be

but I doubt they would be on Fox. Keep in mind CBC already has one debate planned partnering with CNN.

by okamichan13 2007-04-06 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards pulls out of CBC/Fox Debate

Democrats should participate in Faux news sponsored debates when the republicans appear at debates sponsored by The Nation and Mother Jones.

Real Democrats have a presidential candidate Thanks to Mr. Edwards.

by badaltitude 2007-04-07 06:23AM | 0 recs
Less debate is bad

The whole idea that we shouldn't be having debates is completely awful, and lets people make their decisions in an uninformed manner.

I know for a fact that the Democrats have authorized 7 debates, starting in July (I believe) but I do not know the schedule.

The best way out of this CBC debate thing, is not to walk out on the debate but instead to stipulate to fox/ or whatever other news media entertainment company that wants to try to sell advertising / to whatever audience -

is to stipulate that they have to offer the proper access to the archive and tape. If that is part of the deal, and we can send it out
across the net it will beinvaluable.

by heyAnita 2007-04-07 06:56PM | 0 recs


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