Judge Roy Moore Hints That Religious Right Could Run A Third Party Candidate In 2008

Frederick Clarkson has an excellent piece on Talk2Action today which explores the possibility that the religious right might break away from the GOP in 2008 and run a third party candidate. Clarkson mentions the possible signal given by Judge Roy Moore in a November 23rd op-ed in the Washington Times.


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Re: Judge Roy Moore and Bob Barr

Bob Barr has been dropping hints that he will seek the 2008 Libertarian presidential nomination.  He too would draw votes entirely from the GOP base, especially the gun nuts.

by CLLGADEM 2006-11-25 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Judge Roy Moore Hints That Religious Right Cou

Barr did an ad spotl for one of the Liberterian candidates I think in Texas.

I am still amazed that Bob Barr appeared with Al Gore some months ago at a constitutional event. While I would not agree with Barr on many things he has been very much against the Bush attempts to destroy the Constitution.

by robliberal 2006-11-25 05:50PM | 0 recs
I only hope that they run a full slate

If the Constitution Party folks and the Libertarians run candidates for Congress and state races, and there's an exodus like with Wallace and the American Independent Party.  It could make a difference in the Upper South (TN, VA, NC, AR) where splitting the Republican vote down the middle could easily give states to the Democratic party.  And if we run Edwards, even more so.

by ManfromMiddletown 2006-11-25 05:56PM | 0 recs
Why would Edwards help?
Can you name a single state he helped win in 2004?
by KTinTX 2006-11-25 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Why would Edwards help?

Can you name a single state that John Kerry helped win in 2004?

I would argue that if Kerry had muzzled Edwards, the Two Americas message would have carried Ohio and Iowa and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

But neither of us can prove whether we are right at this point, thus this is not a productive line of discussion.

by ManfromMiddletown 2006-11-25 08:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why would Edwards help?

People vote primarily for the top of the ticket. The the top of the ticket doesn't appeal to you then there is very little difference whoever is in the VP slot can do to change your mind no matter how stellar they are.

Add to this that after accepting the VP slot Edwards had to primarily follow Kerry's gameplan which took him out of the southern states and they put a stop to his two americas economic popularism message that had been resonating so strongly up until that point and I believe would resonate even more strongly today.

Edwards at the top of the ticket with lessons learnt, established name id and machinery on the ground, and proudly spreading his message of economic popularism would lead to a great 2008 for us. I can't see any better canidate that's been mentioned to run. Some people that people are so gaa-gaa about clearly aren't in it to win it as they have no operation on the ground whereas a number of others (Clinton and Edwards at the least) do. Edwards could make a serious run at it and I'm very happy with where he stands on virtually everything. It seems a lot of people feel the same way. I'm not 100% decided yet, but it would take a hell of a lot to move me in another direction.

by Quinton 2006-11-25 11:39PM | 0 recs
Ticket Balance
Actually, it's been pretty normal in recent elections for the VP of any party to be chosen with an eye to adding a bloc of voters/activists/donors who might not otherwise be interested in the ticket(I say 'recent,' but I know there are strong examples going at least as far back as Lincoln).
Cheney is something of an exception(even on the donor score, I seriously doubt he brought in a lot more cash as Official Pupetteer than he did as Unofficial), and it's widely acknowleged that, had anyone other than Dick Cheney been in charge of selecting Bush's running mate, he would not now be our VP.
by Endymion 2006-11-26 03:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Ticket Balance

From what I understand the evidence is there that suggests Edwards did help in the rural areas to which he was dispatched.

by conspiracy 2006-11-26 05:42AM | 0 recs
Re: I only hope that they run a full slate

They would have trouble making it on the ballot in NC.  Ballot access is very tough to get and to maintain here - even the Libertarians got dropped off the ballot this year.

by Bear83 2006-11-25 07:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I only hope that they run a full slate

How tight are the ballot access laws, I could see the megachurches turning out for Moore.  In which case he has a small army of volunteers, who just might be convinced that they will forfeit their immortal soul unless they get ballot signatures for him.  That's one hell of a motivation ;)

by ManfromMiddletown 2006-11-25 08:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I only hope that they run a full slate

If a religious right party had a strong candidate they could potentially carry some states. George Wallace carried 5 states as a third party candidate in 1968 (and part of another, one congressional district in NC). When he returned to the Democratic Party in 1972 he expanded his base and won Democratic primaries in North Carolina, Michigan, Maryland, Florida, Tennessee and Florida and then in 1976 when in declining health he lost to Jimmy Carter in some of the Southern primaries and dropped out of the race and endorsed Carter.

by robliberal 2006-11-25 07:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I only hope that they run a full slate

If a religious right party had a strong candidate they could potentially carry some states.

Never have and I suspect never will.

That is not to say, of course, that churches cannot be used to support parties and candidates. It can be benign as well as malevolent.  Candidates of both parties quite commonly campaign in African-American churches as well as Republicans going to fundamentalist Bob Jones University to campaign.  

George Wallace carried 5 states as a third party candidate in 1968

George Wallace's draw was racial bigotry as was true of Strom Thurmond and Pat Buchanan.  That has a long sad history in this country.

Best,  Terry

by terryhallinan 2006-11-25 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I only hope that they run a full slate

Probably. Racism was THE defining political question in the South until the mid 70s. Religion is not so much. Even given the fervor that abortion and homosexuality stir up in the South, it does not compare to racism. Just look at Mississipi's wild swings in presidential voting patterns throughout the 40s, 50s, and 60s. You went from 95% Democratic vote to 95% anti-Democratic (whether that was states rights or republican or Wallace). You won't get that anymore if for no other reason, than blacks can vote now when they couldn't then. If there was a strong 3rd party, they may get 20-40% at most, but you'd most likely get a Democratic victory from the 30-40% of whites and 95% of blacks that always vote Democratic in the South.  

by adamterando 2006-11-26 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Judge Roy Moore Hints

Bring him on!  With God on his side, Moore could do quite well!  Keyes for VP?

by howardpark 2006-11-25 06:55PM | 0 recs
There will be a right-wing third party
   on at least several state ballots. It is known nationally as the Constitution Party (as mentioned by a commenter abovethread) and in California as the  American Independent Party. The party in CA is a continuation of the George Wallace party established in 1968 and retains its ballot status because many people register into it thinking they are registering as independent (which in CA-speak is "decline to state"). The AIP usually gets fewer votes than the other small parties (Greens, Libertarians and Peace and Freedomites) but the ballot line is there. Most recently they had an impact in a congressional special election in Orange county where they ran a Minuteman leader on an anti-immigrant platform and got about 25% of the vote (the GOP still won the seat).
     The point is that if there were some energy put behind the Constitution Party, with a well-known nominee they could have an impact on the election (though not so much here in CA). One of the biggest problems that independent candidacies (of whatever political stripe) have is ballot access; with the Constitution Party already ballot qualified in a dozen or more states they would have a head start.
     Now getting into the debates is a whole other problem for them...
by Zack from the SFV 2006-11-25 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: There will be a right-wing third party

Jim Gilchrist has already indicated that he plans to run as the CP nominee in 2008.  Were he to run, the CP nomination would be his for the taking.  Unfortunately (for us), the anti-immigrant crazies don't usually draw the votes of the religious right, so most of those votes would still probably go to the Republican candidate.

Discussion here.

by Nonpartisan 2006-11-25 10:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Judge Roy Moore Hints

Nah, David Duke.

by ManfromMiddletown 2006-11-25 08:34PM | 0 recs
Never gonna happen.

The psuedo-Christian right always has guys on the third party tickets (i.e., US Taxpayers party), but they'll never stop backing the Republicans.

by djtyg 2006-11-25 09:30PM | 0 recs


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