Petition: Howard Dean speaks for me!

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Riddle me this--why is it that Democrats are so quick to announce that Howard Dean, Democratic party chair, "does not speak for the party"? Edwards said it, Biden said it, and probably any number of others if I could bear to slog through all of those articles. I'm having primary flashbacks from '03-04'. I agree with the person in Springdale, MD who wrote to Senator Biden, "Howard Dean speaks for me. I'd like for you to begin speaking for me also, if at all possible. It would be a welcomed change."

See, that's why I supported Howard Dean so strongly in the primaries. After watching all of the other Democrats rolling over in submissive deference to Bush and his "war president" popularity, I heard this unknown from Vermont speak. I heard him speak against the war--not because he is a "pacifist" but because he could see no justification for it. I heard him speak about how the American people deserved health care just like people in other industrialized nations. I had no idea who this man was, but, YESSSSS! He was speaking for me instead of testing the direction of the wind and measuring his words. Halle-frickin-lujia!

Does Howard Dean speak for you too? Testify!

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Dean speaks for these guys too
This guy says Howard Dean speaks for him. So does Friday's Child at Democratic Underground, Jinky the Cat, and...who else?
by Renee in Ohio 2005-06-10 11:24AM | 0 recs
I'm starting to think
that Dems really are spineless.

They seem to be tripping over each other in their rush to distance themselves from Dean's criticisms of the Reeps. Clinging to this notion that if they play nice, the Reeps will reciprocate.

Dean speaks for me. The Dems should be speaking for me, but apparently they're not interested in doing so. That's fine.

Last year, we had the prospect of kicking Gee-Dub out of the White House to motivate us. What's going to energize the left in the next election? Are the Dems just going to keep their fingers crossed that the Reeps put up somebody detestable?

If McCain or Powell are on the Reep ticket (even as Veep) in 2008, the Dems aren't going to have a chance with the center. They'd better think twice about alienating their base by going after Dean for speaking truth about the Reeps.

by catastrophile 2005-06-10 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm starting to think
It doesn't matter who the Republicans nominate to the ticket in 2008, castro. Democrats are going to have a tough time winning the center if they have a Congressional history to attack. The GOP never leaves its base behind, so why should we?
by risenmessiah 2005-06-11 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: I'm starting to think
I beg to differ. The Repugs found a new base. TRaditional Republican value of lower taxes, smaller governemnt and minimal involvement abroad got left behind under Bush. These Republicans just went along with the party.

THe brutal truth is that in this post 9/11 world, teh traditional Democratic base is too small to win an election alone. The Republican party expanded it's base by reaching out to the evangelicals, minorities and manufactured a war to capitalize on the popular misconception of them being strong on defense.

The Democratic party is going to have to counter and formulate strong positions on religion and a unified stance on the war and terrorism in order for us to win . Because each of these issues I mentioned, we have no national stance.

by Bruticus 2005-06-11 07:03PM | 0 recs
Think Bigger
No, the Republican base is controlling the show all the way, my friend.

The illusion is that somehow the GOP found a way to unite social conservatives and fiscal conservatives through Reagan's "cowboy campaign" leaving the Democrats with a hodgepodge of urban voters, ethnic caucuses, and trade unions and guilds. But it's all a lie.

The real purpose of Iraq isn't to appear strong on defense, it's to bankrupt America. The real purpose of No Child Left Behind and the PATRIOT Act is not public policy but rather to obliterate any concept of federalism. The Republican Mein Kampf is a world where a tiny, feckless national executive branch controls everything while states are preempted from acting due to supremacy. It's a Dickensian nightmare fused with nihilistic overtones. It is Ancient Rome, it is the Venetian Republic, it is the Soviet Union, it is Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

At the heart of every Republican policy or law is the undying fetish for a market so free, so unencumbered by regulation and oversight that the social conservatives would cringe. But once the objective is achieved, the fiscal conservatives won't need the social conservatives any more to retain power.

by risenmessiah 2005-06-12 12:29AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm starting to think
"The Republican party expanded it's base by reaching out to the evangelicals, minorities and manufactured a war to capitalize on the popular misconception of them being strong on defense." And they screwed each and every one of them over! Some people are afraid of what Dean has to say, but he speaks the truth. By '08 none of the promises made by the GOP will have been kept. They came to steal from us and they are accomplishing that. I suspect Dean will make our party grow by pointing out the things that need to be said. One thing's for sure, he's got people's attention!
by kitebro 2005-06-12 05:20PM | 0 recs
No
I did not want him to be the nominee becaue if you think this was bad, you would have hated to see the partys run away from the nominee as they did in 1972 and 1984 and would have done in 2004 if Dean was the pick.  I was worried that this would happen when he became party chair, and I think most of you should have seen this coming.  In the next year one of three things will happen.

  1. Dean will tone down the rhetoric.

  2. Dean does not tone down the  rhetoric and party leaders force him to resign.

  3. Dean does not tone down the rehtoric party leaders try to force him to resign but he refuses and the party is caught in a bitter conflict.

One of these three will happen I only hope it is not option 3.
by THE MODERATE 2005-06-10 11:48AM | 0 recs
Super
A comment doesn't deserve a zero rating simply because you don't agree with it, Renee and Gary.
by Drew 2005-06-10 01:02PM | 0 recs
Yes it does
This is a diary for people who believe Howard speaks for them. If you want to start a diary for people who Howard does not speak for, feel free to put one up.

I can only speak for myself, but I agree not to comment on "Howard Dean Does Not Speak For Me" diaries. Knock yourself out.

This was the agreement that was reached over at dkos when there was a big division after the election about Kerry. The "I Hate Kerry" people did not troll the "I Love Kerry" diaries and vice-versa.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-06-10 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Super
Agreed. THE MODERATE gave a very pessimistic, most likely wrong opinion which I certainly disagree with. But unless the rules have been changed to suit the occasion I can't imagine why it deserved a zero.
by Curt Matlock 2005-06-10 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Super
I didn't give Moderate a zero rating because I disagree with his opinion. I gave it because his comment is inappropriate for this type of diary. Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I will also zero out similar comments if Moderate of anyone else writes a similar "Biden Speaks for Me" or Biden petition diary or Bayh petition diary.

For a very limited scope of diaries, the type of comment Moderate wrote is trollish and inappropriate. Everybody knows how Moderate, Brtuicus, Steve in Sacto, NevadaDan, Shadow1 nad others feel about Howard Dean. They are free to express their opinion in many other forums.

We can turn every diary into a flame war or we can attempt to have rational civil political discussions on each side. The title of this diary is "Dean Speaks for Me."

A petition diary is different than an opinion diary or a "XXXX speaks for me" call to testify is not the standard opinion diary.

As I mentioned, this was the kind of tacit understanding that was agreed to right after the election bewteen the Kerry forces and the anti-Kerry forces. There are plenty of other opportunties to express anti-Dean sentiment. Write your own diary if you wish.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-06-11 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Super
LEt me get this str8. This board creates diaries so the appropiate folk can cheerlead for their guy?
And the opposition gets zeroed out? What happened to debate? THE MODERATE didn't insult Dean. He just stated his opinion..

This reminds me how Bush screened his rallies so only his supporters were present.

Gary, don't turn this board into FOX NEWS.

by Bruticus 2005-06-11 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Super
That deserves a troll rating for an unwarranted personal attack.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-06-12 05:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Super
Stop being such a baby.
by Covin 2005-06-12 10:36AM | 0 recs
Waaaaaaaaaah! n/t
by Gary Boatwright 2005-06-13 12:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Super
The problem is not the disagreeing with it part.

The problem is the Dean bashing part. It is a perfect example of what the overall problem in the Democratic party is at this time. Too many Democrats bashing each other instead of agreeing to disagree and and saving their bashing for the enemy... which last time I looked was the Republicans.

Dean is doing just fine. He is doing an important job of rebuilding the party and of speaking the truth in plain and blunt terms. Enough with playing nice.

I don't expect everyone to agree with Dean. I don't expect them to like him. I don't mind folks saying they disagree and puting forth good arguments as to why they disagree. There are many in the party that I disagree with but it is the rarest of circumstances that I think a Democratic needs to be challenged or ousted... the rarest of circumstances. And those circumstances have always either been that they were crooks or that they had completely sold out the people of the country to the corporate elite of the country or that they were doing the Republicans dirty work for them by tearing down other Democrats.

That is where the problem is.

by Andrew C White 2005-06-11 06:37PM | 0 recs
No. 1 with a twist
But not because he has to. Right now we are way out from the midterm elections. He can say inflamatory things to stir the base up when they might be taking a break. He'll tone down when we get closer to elections as he will take more of a back seat to candidates running.

I also agree about the ratings. The comment isn't offensive. It just presents a different view point that many, including myself, don't agree with. But I do agree that if Dean was just running on at the mouth (which I don't think he is) that he would catch hell from the party elected officials and be forced to tone down. He'd force himself as he would not want to do harm to the party.

Again, this is all a matter of context, and Dean is a target. He realized this, and I think he's providing the Democrats a platform to attack the GOP for the many "white elephants" that no one dare say: They are corrupt; They are ecxlusive of minorities; They have a radical Christian agenda; etc. He's doing it in a very aggressive way, and the centrists and DLC types are feeling threatened as they'd fall over themselves before they'd get aggressive.

Cut the guy some slack. He's only had a little more than 100 days and is doing a good job. After 2006 we'll see if he gets results.

by michael in chicago 2005-06-10 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: No
It will be (3), because the Party leaders are very badly wrong about where to lead the Party, they are not willing to concede this fact, and they put their power struggles ahead of the future of the Party.

Let me put it this way:  Do you EVER see Dean criticizing Biden by name?  Or Lieberman?  Who's the team player here?

by Kimmitt 2005-06-11 08:59PM | 0 recs
Dean represents the spine of the Democratic party
Dean speaks for me. I also hope that after he gets drummed out of the DNC Chair spot, he will speak for Military Voices Against Endless War.

Dean has been faithful to the party in representing the "now that we're there, we can't leave. I hope his personal position is anti-war.

Howard Dean speaks for me on nearly every issue. The differences I may have I am willing to overlook. Barbara Boxer, Dennis Kucinich, John Connyers and Howard Dean all speak for me.

I am a proud Democrat from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-06-10 12:01PM | 0 recs
Dean speaks Donna
Yes, he speaks for me.  As I have written before, he is a gift to the perennial losers at the DNC, even if they want to return it to the store.  They are comfortable in the minority, and I am not. I don't like to lose.  Dean doesn't like to lose.  I want my country back.  And so does Howard Dean.
by donna in evanston 2005-06-10 12:13PM | 0 recs
The Democrats' power base is being threatened
Howard Dean didn't become DNC Chair by stroking the egos of the ones in power. He became DNC Chair because he worked through the grassroots to get support, and the ones in power apparently weren't able to stop him.

So, when the usual suspects are now out in the media bashing and/or distancing themselves from Howard Dean, I take it as a very good sign.

Dean is plain-spoken, and I like that. I don't care if he occasionally makes a "gaffe" or offends someone, as long as he is telling the truth and giving a voice to me and others like me. His words and actions have been under a microscope for a long time now, a scrutiny aided by self-serving members of both political parties. Dr. Dean's words have held up well under the test of time, and I personally don't care much about the short term "gotcha" scores being kept by those who never supported Dean in the first place.

I am personally sick of the Democrats who have been enabling the current Republican party and the corrupt Bush Administration by providing their votes, their voices, and even their assistance in taking down members of their own party.

Dean speaks for me, and he has my support. If the Democrats want to throw Dr. Dean over the side of their sinking ship, they will be saving nothing. If, instead, they will trust him to patch and steer that ship, there might be something salvaged at the end.

by jaysea 2005-06-10 12:20PM | 0 recs
Riddle me back about Howard and ---Hillary
As a life-long Democrat, Howard does speak for me in many cases. I know Howard goes over the top too often and says things he should keep to himself, but I think that's why I like him as much as I do. He speaks his mind good, bad, proper, or not so proper you know where he stands.

Hillary, on the other hand, I don't trust. I must make it clear it is NOT because she is a woman and I hope that that is not a charge that is leveled at Democrats like me. I
just don't know what she stands for----Today.
irsouth2

by irsouth2 2005-06-10 12:24PM | 0 recs
me too Mr Gov-Chairman!
I'm all for him learning on the job and getting smarter, but I also trust his instincts and he should never ever unfeisty himself.

Elected Dems: work with the Chairman and we can take back this country. Today would be a good time to figure this out.

by sarany 2005-06-10 12:35PM | 0 recs
He certainly speaks for me
As I said in my last diary, Dean speaks my voice, FDR's party, that I grew up loving, that party's voice.  Screw rest of DC based chickensh!t Democrats who did not have the courage to say the right thing, when Bush took us to this war, based on his pack of lies.
by Lakid1995 2005-06-10 12:58PM | 0 recs
Howard Dean speaks for me.
And hundreds of thousands like me who are loyal Democrats who believe in vision that unites our nation.

Equality

Social Justice

Moral Leadership

and Opportunity for all.

When Howard Dean met with the voting DNC members he told them "I am Howard Dean.  I like to build things. I am not Joe Trippi's creation.

And he set out a plan of action and he has followed it to the letter.

Howard Dean has never lied to me, he has never backed down from an important fight, and he never gives up.  When he fails at one attempt, he looks like another way to do it.  He is an articulate, passionate voice for millions of Americans abandoned in the past by the Democratic Party, and he fighting for them...
he is fighting for us.

Howard Dean speaks to me, because he listens to me and others like me who are willing to stay in it for the long haul, and do the hard work which must be done to lay down a path to the future for the Democratic Party which will finally end our long downward spiral.

Howard Dean speaks for me.  And makes me proud to be a Democrat again.

by nanorich 2005-06-10 01:42PM | 0 recs
Rhetorical question right?
Do Bears crap in the woods?
Does the Pope wear a pointy hat?
Does Bush lie?

Silly question.

by michael in chicago 2005-06-10 01:54PM | 0 recs
Dean is the ultimate insider.....
He lost the popular vote.....

IE most DEMOCRATS didn't want him as President.  He came in THIRD for pete sake.

The reason you think he speaks for Democrats is because you only know the ones like you.

I am sick of Dean, Deaniacs and the whole un-Democratic wing of the party.

Its always this senator or that house rep or that PUBLICALLY ELECTED official has a spat with the FATCAT ELECTED Dean and you guys want me to side with Dean???

WTF?

Don't you know how DEMOCRACY works?  

The Democratic wing of the Democratic party believes in DEMOCRACY....

Google democracy.

by donkeykong 2005-06-10 04:32PM | 0 recs
Yes! Howard Dean speaks for me........
........because he's not a "wet-finger politician".  He doesn't hold his wet-finger up to the wind to see which way it's blowing.  He says what he believes to be right, not what he thinks others would rather hear.

Until the Beltway Democrats "get" that being polite to the worst administration we've ever suffered under won't get them/us anywhere, we're going to keep losing.  Polls show that people are becoming disenchanted with the Republicans, but they don't like the Democrats any better.  Why?  My opinion is that the Democrats make themselves look weak when they constantly attack each other.  If they won't stand up for each other what will they stand up for?

by SusanD 2005-06-10 05:45PM | 0 recs
Howard Dean Speaks for Me
..but not because of the lame, ridiculous soundbytes that the lazy, indifferent media hacks pull out to somehow catergorize him. It's not that I am embarrased by these comments blown up by the media...but rather I know they are usually intended as throwaway lines when he "preaches to the choir".

He speaks for me because I listen to what he says for longer than 30 seconds at a time. And it's a positive future not just for the Democratic Party but for America in general. It's because Dean and even the lower DNC members are suddenly excited about having a conversation about values and hope and not the hate and fear brewed by the Republicans in Washington.

Sure the Congressional Democrats are worried about embracing rhetoric that will cool their torrid love affair with corporate money. But they certainly ain't doing shit about Iraq on the whole and I'm glad that we have someone left who calls himself a Democrat willing to talk tough.

by risenmessiah 2005-06-11 03:59PM | 0 recs
Howard Dean rocks
What a breath of fresh air it is to have a dem that stands up for us.  Dean talks about issues the way it is, and listens to the people.  Dean, along with Al Gore, inspire me, and make me proud to be a dem, much more than the pushovers like Biden, Nelson, etc.
by greyfox 2005-06-11 04:22PM | 0 recs
Renee, you are being autistic about this.
You cannot seem to see the forest, for the trees.

In every political party there are small
groups of people who climb to high
rank and trust, for which their motives
are to simply destroy the party.

In the case of Dean's statements, he was
encouraged to do so by a small group of
people who base their leadership around a
single group of people in San Francisco,
that Dean met the week before
he made those statements.

Just as the "Dean Scream" was made after
Joe Trippi encouraged Dean to do it, these
media savvy people encouraged Dean to
go out and make these statements about
religious, basically attempting to
portray the +California+ base as happy
with them, despite the fact that these
people have no real ties to the real
base of support in California, in, for
example, Silicon Valley (and yes, its
hit or miss, these people have friends
there, but not the right ones..) ,
and LA, and North California.

This was supposed to be a Californian
tactic, responding to huge amounts
of spending, and stealth maneuvering
by Ken Mehlmann and Karl Rove, in that
state, that is controlled by a Republican
Governor.

But unfortunately for Dean, he was too naive
to see that the real goal of this group
was national media circus. This group
in fact, was founded by a guy who wanted
to build a new news channel.  The
point of it was to distract.

Because the National Media was paying off
the head of this small group to
do it, since they were concerned about
having to run the Downing Street
memo as a story, and they basically
invested about 10% of the advertising
revenue that their models suggested they'd
lose, if they did have to run the
story.

Dean, meanwhile, being the naive person
that he is, went out there and made categoric
statements on more than two or three
occasions, suggesting clearly that
he was not speaking off the cuff - but
following a Public Relations strategy.

My advice is: Those people who influenced
the chairman in this manner not only
do not speak for California, they
do NOT speak for me.

The national media spotlight, I'm sure,
would encourage you to try to make
the most of this.

Bear in mind this: Dean's job is not
to define the party or its ideology,
but to run strong candidates and win,
win, win elections.   He is supposed
to be a part of the process, but if
that is an open process, there will
be dissent.

Just as there is a minority of white christians
in the GOP who wield power, so too the special
interests in the Dem party -

And they are selling something far more
viable - they're selling you the idea
that the grassroots will save you.

All the while, salting the earth..

Caveat.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-06-12 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Renee, you are being autistic about this.
... because bona fide grassroots
action works against media entertainment..

IF we get a full run on the downing
street memo in the national discussion,
THEN you can rest easy that Dean
will be ok.

NOW Dean is just a distraction IMHO FWIW.

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-06-12 07:26AM | 0 recs
Whoa, Hey, Sunday News confirms this!
Take a look at this sunday PR statement..

" -- Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Saturday that positive responses from key supporters have reinforced his determination to keep talking tough, "

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/11/dean.attacks.ap/index.html

In the words of the great Groucho
Marx..

"Your honor, I rest my case."

by turnerbroadcasting 2005-06-12 07:42AM | 0 recs
Howard Dean speaks.
Howard Dean speaks, which is a refreshing change from most Democrats in leadership positions.

I didn't originally support Dean (Edwards was my favorite) I don't agree with him a fair amount of the time, and yes, I think he could be more tactful.

That being said, we need someone who can get the Democratic message out there. We need someone who will stand and fight. Howard Dean is the one of a very small group of people who has been willing to do this lately.

by wayward 2005-06-12 10:23AM | 0 recs
and for me!
by aiko 2005-06-12 10:40AM | 0 recs

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