Obama supporters, lock it up!

I was at work today when this whole assassination thing started to boil over. I watched helplessly as the firestorm increased to epic proportions; unable to respond from work, and dealing with a fussy baby upon my arrival home. But I've got just one thing to say, to all of you-

Lock. It. Up.

This is a term that my leatherneck friends might be familiar with; it's a Navy term for getting yourself in gear and back on track. And I think it goes for all of us tonight.

I can understand how you feel, I'm right there with you. I remember very vividly how it was gleefully regaled to me by some of the heavyweight Clinton diehards around here that they were calling voters in PA and telling them all about what a horrible and out of touch elitist Obama was for thinking everyone was bitter, with no acknowledgment of the context.

And I had stood up to people mischaracterizing things about Senator Clinton prior to this, which made it hurt all the more. Just the weekend before, I was down in Greensboro, North Carolina, canvassing for Senator Obama, when I ran across a gentleman who indicated one of the reasons he didn't approve of Senator Clinton was her pledge to throw everyone in jail who didn't get health insurance.

This, of course, was patently false, and I corrected him. He was a little put off by it, I think- why would I be giving Senator Clinton a leg up, so to speak? But it was the truth, I knew what Senator Clinton intended, and so I did the right thing.

Then, I encountered that... and I was furious. Livid. And I swore I would never correct a mischaracterization about Senator Clinton again, and perhaps would even encourage them! Turnabout is fair play, right?

But I couldn't do it. I couldn't bring myself down to that level, and so I never did; and ended up correcting the same myth on at least one more occasion.

So I know how you feel right now. To the Clinton diehards, the expression "As ye sew, so shall ye reap" has never been more accurate. But there's lots of regular Clinton supporters out there, the vast majority of them who support her without delving into Hillaryis44-esqueness, and they knew it was stupid. But I watched some of them defend Clinton, the diehards defending her, and the statement because of the response they were getting.

So, as I said- lock it up. We're better than that- we don't need to delve into the "eye for an eye" ritual. Senator Clinton is a politician, she's been one for some time; the Clintons are known masters of invective and political language and maneuvering, and so I understand why some of you think it was a purposeful or tactical statement, or that she may actually privately wish for such an event to occur. But this ain't the case, here- it was an idiotic statement, she should've known better, yes, because she is a politician, and she's played the "gotcha" games more than once to her benefit. But that's all it is.

Again, I'm not advocating unilateral disarmament for when they spread falsities, or try to push another gaffe as The Reason Obama Is Unelectable, or spread more trollbait- I expect you to be defending our candidate with honor, courage, respect, logic, and reason. And I'll be right there beside you, don't ever doubt it. But this ain't the fight we need to be fighting.

Lock it up. We need to focus our energy elsewhere. Alright?


Tags: assassination, clinton, gaffe, obama, RFK (all tags)



Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Excellent diary - I totally agree.

This is the time to prove why Senator Obama has earned our vote.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-23 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Very good; you're, of course, 100% correct.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:10PM | 0 recs

... dude?

If you lock it up, all that's going to happen is that a whole bunch of people are going to wander around claiming that Hillary said nothing inappropriate, and that the justified outrage is spin.

Like this one:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/24/1 235/97627/8#8

Loonie Toons (2.00 / 1)

Olberman has turned into a total loon. I'm expecting him to rip off his clothes and start spraying people with the fire extinguisher any time now.

Hillary said nothing inappropriate. She's referencing June and using a historical event to do so. She owes no one an apology.

Half of the Democratic party moved much farther away from ever voting for Obama in a primary. And remember, he needs Clinton supporters in blue states more than Clinton needs Obama supporters in red states.

by glitterannebegay on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:30:58 AM EST

by kraant 2008-05-23 09:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh...

That seems like troll bait to me. Look at the name, too- give me a break. Again, I'm saying we don't have to say it's okay, and we don't have to engage in unilateral disarmament, but all this screaming and hollering ain't helping.

She said something idiotic- the reasonable Clinton supporters around here agree with that. This person ain't one of 'em- but just remember to take the high road. Don't stoop to their level.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole, as usual

Clinton didn't say anything "idiotic," and no reasonable supporter, including RFK's son, took offense.

"It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." --Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

by KnowVox 2008-05-24 01:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole, as usual

At the very least, I think this kills any attempts Bubba was making to get Hillary on Obama's ticket.

It would just not be good for Obama to have a veep that is even perceived as waiting for Obama to be assassinated.

by Bush Bites 2008-05-24 03:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole, as usual

oh so you take your 'news' "Fox-style"...

by zerosumgame 2008-05-24 05:22AM | 0 recs
I thought that Fox does great coverage...

...not really.

But Ed Rendell seems to think so.

by you like it 2008-05-24 08:41AM | 0 recs
And Terry McCauliffe... n/t

by bookish 2008-05-24 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: I thought that Fox does great coverage...

Not great at all -- merely better than MSNBC. The best thing about this travesty of a primary season is that it finally got me to cancel my cable -- I'm both richer and happier for it.

by Inky 2008-05-24 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought that Fox does great coverage...

The idea that MSNBC is somehow more biased than Fox is laughable.

That said, good for you for living without cable.  I think everyone would be better off watching less TV.

by you like it 2008-05-24 01:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole, as usual

By the way, the analogy isn't particularly apt.

Kennedy didn't even enter the race until March.

by Bush Bites 2008-05-24 03:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole, as usual

So what? Her point was about when primaries end, not when they begin.

by Inky 2008-05-24 01:50PM | 0 recs
Heres the problem with that

RFK JR ENDORSED Clinton and the controversy isn't about RFK, it's about Obama.  So his "take" on the matter really doesn't matter more than anyone else's.  When one of the main memes you've been pushing as a campaign is "anything can happen" and have been racially pandering, it is completely RECKLESS irrespective of motive or intention to bring up the specter of June assassinations.  PERIOD.

by ThisPlaceIsCrazy 2008-05-24 03:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Hyperbole, as usual

It was idiotic even if I also feel that it wasn't mean to be malicious towards Obama. I think it's idiotic because Hillary keep inflaming passions in a desperate attempt to make herself seem bigger. She has trotted out Jim Crow era discrimination with regard to MI and FL when everyone knows that whatever the problems are (and there are many), any disenfranchisement has to do with a pissing match between state and federal levels of the party.

Then Hillary brings up RFK assassination attempt twice in public to justify her remaining in the race. There is absolutely no reason to heighten the melodrama with such examples. Just say RFK was in the race at this point too or something like that. But both references referred to RFK's assassination alone and nothing else about his candidacy.

by Pravin 2008-05-24 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Uh...

Ah but Hillary Clinton DID say nothing inappropriate.  Bobby Kennedy Jr said that he took absolutely no offense at all at what she said--and how could any rational person do otherwise.  Damn those Obama people. They are driving us more to McCain evry day if they keep this up. And Keith Olbermann used to be (and I say used to be) a particular hero of mine but now has become a snarky little tyrant.

by handsomegent 2008-05-24 02:42AM | 0 recs

because Obama's supporters became upset at Clinton for broaching the topic of his possible assassination, you're ready to embrace McCain. Obama's supporters have driven you to vote for 100 years more war, environmental disaster, worsening education and healthcare, tax breaks for the extremely wealthy, INCREDIBLE national debts piling onto the next generation, the Constitutional criminalization of abortion, the Constitutional criminalization of gay marriage,... What else?

Is that REALLY gonna be your response? Can you POSSIBLY be that naive? I just don't believe ANY real Democrat would EVER be stupid enough to support more Bush. It's too much for me to get my head around.

by RNinNC 2008-05-24 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: So,

It's the kind of response low-info voters make.  I assume the above poster is not a low-info voter because they are here, but something has obviously rubbed off on them from other Hillary supporters.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-24 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: So,

yep, keep on insulting half the Dem party. that will unify us right gud (I am not 100000000% BHO so I MUST be low-info and caint spull guds).

by zerosumgame 2008-05-24 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: So,

It's not my job to unify the party.  I really don't care about Hillary supporters any more.  I would still vote for Hillary if she won the nomination.  That's the difference between hardcore Obama supporters and hardcore Hillary supporters.  

You are not low-info if you support Hillary, you are low-info if you threaten to vote for McCain as a way to punish Obama.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-24 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: So,

so you are admitting you are working (paid or not) for the GOP to split the party to get McSamw selected?

by zerosumgame 2008-05-24 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: So, what are you doing?

Hillary supporters who have already expressed their intention to (never vote for Obama) have moved into a position which is twice removed from legitimacy with respect to realizing the goal of electing a Democrat to the White House in 2008.

Hillary will not be at the top of the ticket, and after yesterday, she will not be the Veep candidate either.

There is no reason to try to convince you to change your minds, you've told us enough time that you won't. We believe you. We understand that you have the right to do what you want. Fine.

You can:
Vote for McCain.
Stay home.
Vote for Obama and keep it secret.
Do whatever you want.

You can't:
Scare me (or defeat Obama) with empty threats.
Make me beg.

by xdem 2008-05-24 06:24AM | 0 recs
Re: So,

Right.  Because what I most want is another neo-con in the White House.

The point is, there is nothing in the world that will convince the most virulent 1% of Hillary supporters to vote for Obama.  So I'm not going to bother trying.  Consider yourself irrelevant.  

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-24 06:33AM | 0 recs
That's a really dumb response

that has nothing to do with the substance or points of the previous comment.

I give you an honorary, non-binding ::troll - 1::

by bookish 2008-05-24 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Uh...

"Those Obama people" have been pretty classy about this.  Hell, David Axelrod defended Hillary on national TV, saying there was no ill intent.  Obama himself chose not to bring it up at the speaking engagement he did yesterday.

We didn't hear, "This comment will be troubling to many Americans who..."  We didn't hear, "Apology needed."  

They haven't gone for the gotcha moment.  If anything, I'd expect people to be impressed with this, or even appreciative if you identify with Clinton and don't like her gotcha'd or smeared.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-24 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Uh...

I despise Hillary because of Hillary. Not her supporters. Her supporters would never cause me to change parties. I won't vote for McCain because I'm pissed at a snarky pro-Clinton comment. This election is far too important to behave like a child about it.

by kitebro 2008-05-24 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Agreed . . . we don't need to fan any HRC flames. My focus has been on McCain.

The statement was unfortunate, but I am moving on.

by Veteran75 2008-05-24 03:42AM | 0 recs
I have very low standards for Reccing today =)

Enjoy !!

by SevenStrings 2008-05-23 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: I have very low standards for Reccing today =)


by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:15PM | 0 recs

Sorry, I moonlight as a very-rusty and half trained Italian speaker and spelling critic. ;)

by Casuist 2008-05-23 09:18PM | 0 recs
Re: "grazie"

Heh, thanks for the correction.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: "grazie"

I'm part Italian too.  You can just say "graz".

by handsomegent 2008-05-24 02:43AM | 0 recs
I heart ragekage!!! n/t

by sricki 2008-05-23 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: I heart ragekage!!! n/t

You were the inspiration for this, you know; I watched you back and forth and rec whats-her-face's diary helplessly from work.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:16PM | 0 recs
Thanks... I can't tell you how sad that first

diary made me. The responses from some of the Obama supporters (many who don't seem to be regulars -- I assume they hopped over from dKos) were so incredibly unfair and heartless. I almost wrote a really, really awful diary in response. I was so angry. Even considered GBCW.

But your diary helps a lot. You took it the way I'd hoped you would.

by sricki 2008-05-23 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks... I can't tell you how sad that first

Indeed. I've seen a flood of Obama supporters I don't recognize, which is odd for MyDD; we're usually such a close-knit community. I was a little perturbed at that, especially given how they were acting. I wondered where they were when I needed them to back me up against past smear jobs and such, and why they decided to descend into this firestorm.

Ahh, well, hopefully this diary'll help.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks... I can't tell you how sad that first

What is GCBW ?

by SevenStrings 2008-05-23 09:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks... I can't tell you how sad that first

Goodbye Cruel World; something akin to, say, what Alegre did on Kos for her departure from there, for instance.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:31PM | 0 recs
GBCW = Good Bye Cruel World

It's that lame last diary all the morons write when they just can't handle the blogs anymore. Basically, they're whine-fests. Or else they cuss everybody out. Either way, very lame.

by sricki 2008-05-23 09:33PM | 0 recs
Ah Dankershen =)

Or rather... Danke Schon

(making fun of the Gratzi here =)

by SevenStrings 2008-05-23 09:41PM | 0 recs
Bitte schön.

(You're welcome.)

by sricki 2008-05-23 09:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Bitte schön.

how did you manage that umlaut ?

by SevenStrings 2008-05-23 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Bitte schön.

Just typed "schon" into google, knowing it would pull the word up properly. Then copied and pasted. I'm sure there are much easier ways, but I'm kind of stupid.

by sricki 2008-05-23 10:03PM | 0 recs
Danke schön!

Ah, that works...

by SevenStrings 2008-05-23 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Bitte schön.

  glad to see i'm not the only paleo-techie round here, hehe. I still haven't learned to put in links.

by Kordo 2008-05-23 11:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Bitte schön.

Links on MyDD? Just use classic HTML. Make sure you're in Auto- or HTML format, and use the tag:

<a href=LINK>text</a>

So if you wanted to link to dKos, for example, you'd write:

<a href=http://www.dailykos.com&gt;Daily Kos</a>

by sricki 2008-05-23 11:07PM | 0 recs
Trying it out

Thank you for that tip!  Major mojo (I always wanted to know how to do that)...

I will try it out

by Sandy1938 2008-05-23 11:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Bitte schön.

install the international keyboard on windows.  That's what I do.  

It's easy after that-

ö ä á í ç üú

by ottto 2008-05-24 06:04AM | 0 recs
I don't know if it works on PC

platform, but for Macs, when you get to the letter with the diacritic, you hit option and the key of the letter that is most likely to have that particular mark (e=´, i=^, c=ç, u=¨, etc.), then key the letter you want.

by bookish 2008-05-24 09:48AM | 0 recs
Thank you

I about lost my mind reading (supposed) Clinton followers blaming Obama for what Clinton said, or defending her reference to assassination (for the SECOND time since March), of which so many Obama supporters are terrified..

Thank you, thank you. All they need to say is that Clinton blew it, and should apologize NOT just to the Kennedy's, but to Obama, who was the target (however inadvertent) of the horror of that statement.

That said, Olbermann could have been far less vitriolic. He could have communicated the heartbreak and gravity of her choice of words without being so uncharitable.  

I am so glad the Obama campaign responded with restraint. Thank you for reminding me about troll-bait. They try to play us against each other. I won't fall for it.

by rhetoricus 2008-05-23 10:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

I agree.  Olbermann's tirade didn't help.  I thought he came on too strong.

I wonder, given that she didn't include Obama in the apology, if this makes it harder to talk VP with him.  I can't imagine it would be very comfortable after what happened today.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-23 11:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

Supposedly, the campaign is livid and absolutely horrified.  They've been living under the speter of being attacked for a long time.  This hits home hard with the Obama family!

by LordMike 2008-05-23 11:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

Supposedly, the campaign is livid and absolutely horrified.

Might you have a link?

by rhetoricus 2008-05-23 11:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

nytimes says:

Privately, aides to Mr. Obama were furious about the remark.

Obviously, anything talking about internal campaign chatter is going to be anonymously sourced, so you just have to trust the grey lady.

by semiquaver 2008-05-23 11:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

I would understand that privately they are furious.

by rhetoricus 2008-05-24 07:14AM | 0 recs
Thank you...

for writing the first diary on this subject I've yet seen that I wholly agree with

by Casuist 2008-05-23 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you...

You're welcome, of course.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Seriously, though, these are the moments when we can prove why we're supporters of Obama.  My dad has been pretty torn up tonight - 1968 came flooding back - but I've done my best to calm him down.  We're in this together - Obama and Clinton supporters alike - and we have presumably the same goals for our country.  Now is where we Obama supporters can show some dignity and grace.  Barack would ask for nothing less.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-23 09:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I, personally, am just about done with most Hillary supporters.  I'm glad Obama is not, but I am.  At first it was mostly my hatred of the DLC, but now it's become entirely too personal.  

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-24 05:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I was upset by the original comment but not in the way that so many posters were, it was just unexpectedly bad judgment.  I was more upset over the streams of happily, self indulgently  furious posts by Obama supporters that followed.  

Nice diary.

by mady 2008-05-23 09:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Thank you. Let's get our guys and gals back in order and focused in the right direction. Sheesh, it's like herding cats sometimes.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Why did you consider it bad judgement ?

by SevenStrings 2008-05-23 10:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

It's like walking into a synagogue eating a ham sandwich.  The subject is simply taboo.  It shouldn't be touched.

by LordMike 2008-05-23 11:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Personally, I think if someone dies in June while campaigning - no matter how they died - then it's just horribly insensitive to use them as an example of a campaign that continued into June.  "Oh yeah, then there was Bob, whose campaign continued into June right up until he croaked."  Given how much more traumatic this particular death was for so many people, and the fears we all continue to have for our emerging leaders, this is just NOT imagery you want to evoke casually.

There's also protocol that guides how to speak to the media about suicides or murders, so as to prevent copycats.  And casually throwing out historical examples is not good.  I'm guessing the media is very aware of that, and that this guided some of their reactions.

There are other examples of campaigns that lasted into June.  If anyone but Hillary didn't understand which is the single worst example one could possibly offer - nobody will ever make THAT mistake again.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-23 11:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

PS - I don't know that Clinton is aware of suicide/violence prevention protocol, so I'm not suggesting anything nefarious there.  I rec'd this diary and agree that there's no honor in misrepresenting the true intent behind a gaffe, no matter how unfortunate.

I also think this gaffe could haunt people's memories of her campaign, given the timing of it, and I wish she'd make a stronger apology or gesture of remorse than what she did.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-23 11:46PM | 0 recs
Preach it!

It goes both ways.

I've read the most hypocritical stances on this issue by
some Clinton diehards around here. What if it was Barack who comitted the gaffe?  Weeks of diaries (bittergate? fingergate?).

Imagine my surprise (not) when the Obama hit pieces were coming out less than an hour after the news broke. Attacking Obama and his campaign.


SevenStrings and canadian gal had good diaries from a Clinton prespective yet 2 suspicious smear jobs made the Rec.List.

We ALL need to focus and concentrate on the positive.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-23 09:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!

Those get on the rec list because we've got a group of Clinton supporters who mostly hop over from Hillaryis44 to ensure the rec list is stacked with their particular brand of hatred. So I suggest we play this card:

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!


by spacemanspiff 2008-05-23 09:49PM | 0 recs
somewhere out there...

I seem to remember there being a Bill Clinton faux Magic card I found hilarious... but I've never been able to find it again.

by Casuist 2008-05-23 09:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!

 Bwahahaha, that's a good one! I knew you were a good writer, now I see you have artistic ability as well. I'm going to try to resist the impulse to troll over to H44, and spam that in a bunch of posts. The operative term there is "try"....

by Kordo 2008-05-23 11:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!

Here's the other underhanded way those get on the rec list.

Well, she puts out a plea for recs on the Hillary's Voice Yahoo Group for most of the diaries she puts up.

The last one was titled 'New Diary Up: Let's Knock a Bot Off the Rec List Gang!'.

I would imagine that there are those who only come to MYDD when asked to in order to rec one of her diaries. Not saying that that covers all of her recs..but, I'm sure it accounts for a fair amount.

I don't know of any Obama group that elicits recs for MYDD diaries.

by Kysen on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:09:03 PM EST

One would think the above behavior ought to be in violation of site rules for rec'ing diaries.

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-23 11:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!

Nah, it's ok since they support Hillary.  If it was Obama supporters though...oh boy!

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-24 05:19AM | 0 recs
Check out this gem I dug up at Hillis44

---------------------------------------- -----------
confloyd Says:
May 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Djia, the bots not to long ago, had a real threat on the internet, when NC was going on. George Stephanpoulas was threaten. Maybe the Obama campaign wants to incite some poor unbalanced sole into assasinating Hillary. I mean, the media keeps everyone all whipped up in a frenzy, maybe Keith would like to incite that? What do you say Keith? Is that what you want? Keith was the one that said someone ought to take her in a back room and only one person comes out. Maybe thats what the media moguls want and that's why they keep trying to incite this hatred!
---------------------------------------- -----------
by spacemanspiff 2008-05-23 11:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Check out this gem I dug up at Hillis44

Check out the time on the comment and compare it at the site.


by spacemanspiff 2008-05-23 11:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Check out this gem I dug up at Hillis44

It is comments like that which make me question Darwin's theory.

by asherrem 2008-05-23 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Check out this gem I dug up at Hillis44

Then check out this little fantasy piece off the  hillaryclinton.com blog. Very popular, with even a few re-takes involving an even more delusional anti-women slant. Yes, I suppose I should expect no less from a campaign blog, but it was quite an eye-opener into the mindset we're dealing with.

Imagine a typical office. There is a woman you have watched work hard over the years. She's very efficient, and very diplomatic. In fact, she often gets people in the office who have different viewpoints to agree. She has experience in administration; in fact, her husband was the CEO of the company for eight years. Everyone knew she was part of the decisions that made the profitability of the company increase year after year. She was privy to the innermost secrets concerning the company, and a strong leadership voice in her own right. So she continued to work hard even after her husband left office. Finally, at age sixty, she decided to aim for the top, and she applied for the position of CEO herself. All the other women in the office applauded her. They identified with her. "Finally a capable woman who has worked hard will run the company!" they cried. But then, right before the decision was made, a man was brought in to challenge her for the position. He was young, from an exotic background, and he had a golden speaking style. He mesmerized everyone in the office, especially the men in upper management. Soon, it became obvious that the woman was not in consideration any more. The new guy, the brilliant guy---he would be CEO. Once he was appointed, the upper management gathered the women in the office together. "Don't be silly and emotional, women. You have to support our new CEO! It's for the good of the company. Sure, you're upset now, but you'll get over it." Even the woman they all wanted urged the office workers to stand in line. But there was resentment there, and anger, and most of the women in the office walked out of that office one day and went to work for another company down the street.

by RSP at 5/21/2008 4:17:52 PM

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main /2008/05/21/200427

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-24 12:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Check out this gem I dug up at Hillis44

So apparently

  1. Hillary deserved/inherited the presidency
  2. Hillary's losing only because Obama "mesmerized" the men into becoming misogynists
  3. "Most of the women" defect to "another company down the street". I wonder what that could mean.

This, on their campaign blog no less.

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-24 12:32AM | 0 recs

Sorry, ragekage. Just realized that in my late night posting stupor I spammed your attempt to hold fire. Kudos to you for trying to stay positive. I'd move these posts out if I could.

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-24 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!

Oh my, are you familiar with MtG?

That card is very funny actually.  

by BPK80 2008-05-24 12:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Preach it!

Ahahahahah! Could this be the best comment in the history of MyDD?

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-24 07:21AM | 0 recs
You got it..

...rk!!  It.Is.Now.Locked.Up.

by hootie4170 2008-05-23 09:37PM | 0 recs
Re: You got it..

Hoo-rah, outstanding. Roger that.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 09:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

rec'd :)

by asherrem 2008-05-23 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

right on.  To be sure, Clinton's comments were both stupid and insensitive -- on a world-class level.  But it was really just a gaffe.

My anger is reserved for the mydd diarists who have somehow blamed the firestorm on Obama when his campaign merely said that the comments were 'unfortunate' -- which, clearly, they were.

by chinapaulo 2008-05-23 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Clinton created this situation, Obama had nothing to do with it.

by skywaker9 2008-05-23 10:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I believe that's exactly what he was saying...

by ragekage 2008-05-23 10:52PM | 0 recs
Will try, it's hard

Just tiresome to see the same old smears from the same OLD Clinton supporters.

Clinton inserts foot in mouth and it's Obama's fault.

Obama inserts foot in mouth and it's the end of the decency and mankind and democracy.

Thank goodness the Clinton supporters at work conceded the point eye to eye (which doesn't work on the internet).

by Regenman 2008-05-23 10:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Will try, it's hard

I know it's hard; I understand the temptation for retribution, but it doesn't do anything but debase our moral high ground. The diehards, if anything, get a kick out of bugging you, so keep that in mind. The rational ones understand, and are truly on our side- not hard, since we're on the same team.

by ragekage 2008-05-23 11:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I totally agree with you.  I don't think she meant it in the way that's being implied by some.  It was a VERY stupid comment especially given the fact that she could have used a number of examples from the last 30 years.  But I have to believe that she's not implying that he could be assasinated as a reason for her sticking in there.

What I think upset A LOT of people is the fact that in no short order some Clinton apologists attacked Obama in two diaries that made it to the rec list for something that Clinton said.  I think that's where you'll find the most over the top statements and most underserved TRs and HRs.  Especially when two high ranking Obama campaign officials go out of their way to defend Clinton and then you get certain diarists accusing Obama of using the memory of RFK for political gain, you have to expect harsh responses.

But you're absolutely right, it needs to be toned down.  We need to push unity and not go there anymore.  We need to prepare for the fall and the fight against McCain and the republican party.

by shalca 2008-05-23 11:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Good at ya RageKage. I knew you were not really just about a certain post that got you attacked. So this Clinton supporter backed you up. Peace and happiness to the baby and you too! Honor and Integrity are not things that should be challenged or questioned without hard evidence. We're not so strong that it ever justifies losing our own to friendly fire.  

by Jeter 2008-05-23 11:09PM | 0 recs
Loving the faux outrage

This is great.  I seriously think you and your kin will be attacking Hillary until November.  

I thought there was supposed to be some sort of new unspoken code where we don't attack Democrats on this site.  I take this proliferation of anti-Hillary rhetoric as a green light to resume my elevated levels of criticisms for Barack Obama.  

by BPK80 2008-05-23 11:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Loving the faux outrage


You never stopped.

Why troll this diary?

It was going nice and positive till you showed up.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-23 11:23PM | 0 recs
Why are you awake?
I am a menopausal woman with insomnia what is your
by Ida B 2008-05-23 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Why are you awake?

I'm 27 years old and it's Friday.  Not that I even needed to answer your question, since it was out of bounds.

by BPK80 2008-05-24 12:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Why are you awake?

I think you forgot the part about being a Republican and all that.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-05-24 05:22AM | 0 recs
They never sleep...


by you like it 2008-05-24 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Why are you awake?

Are you kidding me?

I'm a gay middle-class Democrat from Eastern Pennsylvania.  

by BPK80 2008-05-24 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Why are you awake?

No intent to offend just curious

by Ida B 2008-05-24 08:53AM | 0 recs
I completely understand your anger.

I freaked out a little about this in TexasDarlin's thread earlier today (and nexgen's, too, I think). Actually, first I went to the original gaffe diary and went down about halfway through the comments, systematically HR'ing 95% of the Obama supporters and uprating ALL of the Clinton supporters. But then I realized that ratings abuse that extreme would probably get me in trouble (and accomplish nothing positive). So I just stopped reading.

I was livid until I saw some Obama supporters (like the diarist) start to defend Hillary. I'm still angry, but not as much. Don't use this as an excuse to let loose on Obama -- he isn't responsible for the behavior of his supporters. Be a bigger person than the asses who were calling Hillary a "sick, evil, heartless monster" this morning. Don't get down in the mud with them. We should be better than that, if we can.

by sricki 2008-05-23 11:40PM | 0 recs
Re: I completely understand your anger.

Thank you.  I've been mostly civil on this but I did criticize hypersensitive liberals in one of my comments.  I'm liberal too, but not hypersensitive.  

by BPK80 2008-05-24 12:18AM | 0 recs

Don't ever stop the ratings abuse. Hillary won't stop fighting for us, so you should not stop fighting for her by shutting out any comments that are not supportive of her.

What has happened to Hillary over this is outrageous. As others have said, this is just Obama and his supporters lashing out because they know they have lost the nomination and they just can't accept it.

Face it, people. Hillary Clinton will be the nominee and the next president. Anyone who says different should immediately be banned from this site.

by alvernon 2008-05-24 01:32AM | 0 recs
Lovely. You have too much free time. n/t

by sricki 2008-05-24 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: I completely understand your anger.

I have to say, Sricki, the HR and posts you made at first were what freaked me out the most.  I expected all the usual crazies, but really hoped that the more reasonable people would stay out of it.  I'm kind of nervous because this episode originally showed me how tenuous any kind of détente  between Obama and Clinton supporters is, but hopeful because RageKage's diary and your responses show me there still is common gound (not to mention IDENTICAL POLICY 99% of the time...couldn't help it)
I think that we were in the same boat of thinking "this is such a non-issue" but then the responses to this non-issue (or for me, the almost preemptive responses to the responses to the non-issue) aaaaalmost made me lose it.  Anyway, I hope you don't take this too critically or anything, because I'm mostly proud of the way you bounced back.

RageKage: awesome diary.  For a while it looked like this site was going to turn into a no-holds-barred shit fight, but I'm really hopeful we can reeeel it back toward something productive.


by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: I completely understand your anger.

I'm not actually sure which thread you're talking about, though. The thread where I almost HR'd a bunch of people was in nextgen's diary, but I stopped myself and ended up not giving any ratings at all -- unless, of course, some of those comments were already in the hide bin. I went through some of those later. But I left that first thread entirely. I also didn't downrate anyone on oregonkcg's diary, though I made some harsh comments. Don't think I HR'd people in TexasDarlin's diary. I downrated a couple of people in alegre's diary, but I don't consider that ratings abuse. Calling Hillary "despicable" and saying she is "the hate candidate" gets you a TR. I HR'd this and would do it again:

You, Alegre, have become a person (0.33 / 6)

who is completely and totally full of hate.

What do you have for all of your efforts? Has it helped your child? What are you teaching your child? That hate is acceptable and political violence, in the service of your own goals, is acceptable?

Go. To. Hell.

You are already there.

by DrPolitics on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:03:53 PM CST

Also HR'd this and would do it again:

I'm kind of curious how many Hillary supporters, in the privacy of their own home with no one around, would privately clap or smile a sly little smile if Obama was killed...

I can think of a couple...

Hillary Clinton: This is a Race to 2025 Delegates  
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:09:26 PM CST

But aside from that person's comment and several of DrPolitics' comments (which I downrated because he was spamming the thread), I don't think I HR'd anyone. I could be wrong, however. Which diary do you think I was abusing ratings in? I was under the impression that although I'd lashed out a bit verbally, I'd managed to control myself on the ratings. If I'm mistaken, though, I'd like to know so I can keep it in mind and avoid it in the future.

by sricki 2008-05-24 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: I completely understand your anger.

Eh, I didn't mean to imply HR abuse.  Sorry bout that.

I think my sentiment was mostly that I see you and others having great reasonable conversations all the time and the fact that any of the rational crowd was dragged into this non-issue was unfortunate (maybe I was attributing things other people posted to you accidentally?).  I got a real sense that everyone who had been venturing out and engaging one another somewhere in a rational middle ground had run back to their corners.

Anyway, I got off myDD for the evening and was happy to see diaries like this and comments like yours when I peeked back this morning.

As with plenty of other Obama leaning supporters, I hold you in the highest regard for rationality, so yeah, way to go you.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: I completely understand your anger.

Ah, yes, you're certainly right that I got pulled into the fray more than I normally would. People were saying some really hideous things about Hillary, and I lost my temper -- pretty impressive, since I'm used to it. I still hang out at dKos and was talking to someone the other day who said s/he really thought Hillary was the devil, yet I successfully ignored it and responded politely. But sometimes I just lose it -- yesterday was a horrible day for me for other reasons, so I wasn't in the mood for all the drama.

And thank you, I try to be rational when possible, but I slip up sometimes. As far as I can recall, you have likewise been a very sensible, reasonable person.

by sricki 2008-05-24 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I completely understand your anger.

I reread my first response and realized that it was a lot harsher and sounded more critical of you than I ever intended.  I myself got really heated reading some of the stuff attributing all this to Obama* and had to run away.

Anyway, so glad Obama himself said something about it (I wish this had come sooner for myDD sanity's sake, but whatever)...have a great memorial day :)

*why do we let ourselves get so worked up about what anonymous people we don't know write?  Not sure, but I think it has something to do with why we all keep coming here.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Loving the faux outrage

FYI, the "you" in this is not directed at the diarist.  It's a comment to Hillary-haters at large.  

by BPK80 2008-05-24 12:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Loving the faux outrage

You need to combine an elevated level of logic to accompany your elevated level of criticism if you think this diary was somehow a slight to Hillary.

by zadura 2008-05-24 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Loving the faux outrage

Did you see the comment above?

"FYI, the 'you' in this is not directed at the diarist.  It's a comment to Hillary-haters at large."

by BPK80 2008-05-24 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

No reason to say much... like Harry Truman once said, when another campaign is committing suicide, don't interfere!

by LordMike 2008-05-23 11:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

One of the clever things Carville said that I'll always remember, when they drowning, throw 'em an anchor. Not exact, but you get the idea.

by hopeful 2008-05-24 04:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I love most of this diary. I agree with any attempt in an increase in civility, abstaining from foul invectives, and grouping all supporters together in one group of "you Clinton supporters" or "you Obama supporters."

But I have trouble with the following
"it was an idiotic statement... But that's all it is."

I think, at the least, it's a symptom of a hard campaign that has gone on too long & should now speedily wind down. Please tell me, ragekage, if that opinion is contrary to the spirit of your diary.

by catilinus 2008-05-23 11:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Based solely on the fact that she had to apologize for it, I think it's safe to say that it was a dumb thing for her to say.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-24 07:26AM | 0 recs
The best I can do is 'hold my belly'

Can't rec or rate but I am hugging you.

In all of my responses I attempt to be logical, tolerant while stating my opinion or the facts. But it is important for me to speak up ss a black woman I don't want my silence mistaken for agreement. I am invisible as it is;all the women are white, all the blacks are men:

'Hold your belly,' meaning keep yourself intact, don't overreact-prison slang (I guess we hang in different crowds -smile)

by Ida B 2008-05-23 11:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Locked up, I'll make no more mention of it.

by obscurant 2008-05-23 11:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Well done, ragekage.  Rec'd.

by Matt Smith 2008-05-23 11:50PM | 0 recs
Can we now agree that VP is history?

by obsessed 2008-05-24 12:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

Yes, we can agree. After Obama's outrageous behavior in this matter, there is no way Hillary will pick him to be her VP.

Hillary is going to win this thing, and the overreaction to her simple statement that game-changing events like fatal gunshots can happen anytime between now and the convention will push SDs to her side once and for all. Obama may as well quit now and hire a defense lawyer so he doesn't end up dealing drugs in a federal country club prison.

by alvernon 2008-05-24 01:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

Somebody please explain alvernon's post & sig line to me.

not only can't I understand what the post is saying, I can't decipher for which candidate it is in support of.

It may be brilliant snark, & I'm just too tired to dicipher it.

by catilinus 2008-05-24 02:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

I think Alvernon thinks he or she is a clever writer, but I beg to differ.

this is from a diary written by Alvernon recently:

Still, I will root for a McCain victory if Clinton is the nominee, because it is worth four more years of Bush to finally break the death grip that those two have on the Democratic Party.  These people must be marginalized, Hillary must be pushed to the back bench to sit next to John Kerry, and we must be given a chance to try again in four years instead of the eight years we would have to wait if she wins the White House.

So to everyone who vowed to vote for McCain, I apologize. I am one of you now.

All this sturm and drang over her "gas tax holiday".

by skohayes 2008-05-24 04:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

it's snark.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

I don't understand why making the same arguments that so many others make on this board is automatically labeled as snark. Snark only comes from clever writers, which I have recently been informed that I am not.

by alvernon 2008-05-24 07:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

Oh come on, alvernon.  The fact that others make similar arguments doesn't convince me that you believe that.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

I think the post is clear if you've been following the various posts about Obama's criminal cronies and his past drug use (plus whatever else he was doing).

The sig line simply reflects the view that this nomination isn't over until the convention, and as long as somebody might get shot between now and then we cannot possibly know who the nominee will be. The fact that Hillary is brave enough to point out this historical truth is why she is so inspiring.

by alvernon 2008-05-24 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we now agree that VP is history?

So are you supporting Hillary?

by catilinus 2008-05-24 12:10PM | 0 recs
But don't lock EVERYTHING up

I'm with you in principle ragecage...This should absolutely not be used to knock one candidate.

These thoughts and emotions are so tough and overwhelming. It's not about the nomination, or any candidate, but much much more about the spirit of America, and how optimism sprang up 40 years ago, and was so tragically dashed and stifled.

Knowing Americans and America well for over two decades, I'm slightly afraid where self-censorship of these emotions will lead. I've heard this fear of political violence expressed by democrats of all shades of opinion. Leaving bottled up as a latent fear makes the threat even more powerful.

Since 9/11 a younger generation has lived with seven years with 'terror' used as a political tool, both by radical groups and conservative governments. I think more recent history has shown: the only way of dealing with these kind of psychological and political threats is to talk about them, air them, remove their sting, respond rationally.

A rational response shouldn't be done in the context of blame or retribution. I straddle two generations, remembering distantly the 60s but vividly seeing the trauma played out in the decades that followed. My hope is that a new generation is finally redeeming and healing that trauma. Locking all that up again might not serve any good.

We must face our fears, and by facing them, disarm them.

Just another point of view, now we've all had a chance to sleep on it.

by duende 2008-05-24 01:43AM | 0 recs
Old Europe

Remember when Rumsfeld said we didn't have to worry about France and Germany anymore because we had Bulgaria on our side? That's pretty much where the Obama campaign is right now. They've got a shiny new coalition and don't need no stinking Old Democrats.  

Obama is only marginally better than McCain.  He'll do for the party and the country what Axelrod's first protege Deval Patrick did for Massachusetts--compromise it into the ditch.

by Upstate Dem 2008-05-24 02:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Too late. It's become a disaster for Obama in that his supporters are reflecting poorly on him.

by Ga6thDem 2008-05-24 04:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

t's become a disaster for Obama in that his supporters are reflecting poorly on him.

Only to simple minded folks who are going to attribute every comment that is made by unpaid, non-staff, unaffiliated supporters, trolls or posers to Obama himself who, by the way, is likely not even reading MyDD. (I know that may surprise some here as MyDD is SUCH an important medium that no Dem should ignore it!!!)  

This whole "I'm not gonna be your friend because your friends with..." rant is really juvenile, at best.  We should hold our candidates responsible for their words and actions and call them out when they step out of line.  If Obama says or does something unaligned with our Party or Country's best interests, we should absolutely call him out.  But to attempt to hold his campaign accountable for comments made on an anonymous blog site is quite ridiculous.  We Dems are supposed to be much better than and we should begin to act like it, at some point.

by ILean Left 2008-05-24 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

The whole reason that this reflects on Obama is because he talks about a movement. And in a "movement" the supporters reflect on their candidate.

And as far as what is said on blogs, then perhaps you should go around lecturing his supporters. It leaves an impression with people and it's one of the reasons that people are turned off by his campaign.

by Ga6thDem 2008-05-24 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

it's one of the reasons that people are turned off by his campaign.

Only because they choose to be.  Again, the soul of a movement is expressed by its leader, not by its 'anonymous' and easily mimicked online supporters.  If you are looking for reason, you have plenty without using something as hollow as a bunch of bloggers whose names and identities are hidden along with their motives.

God forbid Hillary was defined by those no-named writers blogging on her behalf.

by ILean Left 2008-05-24 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Except that it hasn't.. because 99% of people don't read blogs and don't give a shit about our petty online squabbles

by CaptainMorgan 2008-05-24 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Thanks Rage. I felt like a bit of a voice in the wilderness yesterday afternoon with all the "she couldn't have possibly meant that" posts I was making.

by wasder 2008-05-24 04:22AM | 0 recs
Only if lock it up means finishing this.

Sorry. No. I've been right there with you. I've given Sen. Clinton the benefit of the doubt. I've said her MLK statement was just a silly slipup for which she was paying politically and not intentional. I've been encouraging people to let this play out through 6/3. No more.

She did this twice. The first time, back in March, OK, poor choice of words. This time she invoked the possibility of death as a reason for her to stay in the race, and it was no slipup. It was deliberate.

So if by "lock it up" you mean that the supers need to end this this week, then I'm with you, but there is no excuse for this behavior in a candidate, and if this goes on any longer the odds of more of this over the top rhetoric leaving her lips is good, and not only is it not good for the party or the nation, but she is whipping up some people into a lather and then putting ideas in their heads. If ever she has shown herself as irresponsible, unelectable, and not worthy of continuing on, it is now.

So no. I'm through locking it up. This needs to end, and the supers need to be made aware of it.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-24 04:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Only if lock it up means finishing this.

Agreed.  There is a definite line that needs to be straddled here - I think a modicum of outrage, of which I've been feeling without having read a single comment or diary about this subject (scientifically speaking, consider me part of the "control group"), is certainly allowed, but it shouldn't be turned into the club with which to beat the Clinton candidacy over the head for weeks on end, a la Jeremiah Wright.  But by the same token, it's not "fair" for Democrats, no matter who they support, to stick your fingers in their ears and say "la la la, I didn't hear anything, la la la!" when comments like Sen. Clinton's are made.  It's not fair to the gravity of the historical era they speak to; let's acknowledge that comments like these have no place in political discourse, spend a couple days saying so, and MoveOn.

by robitude 2008-05-24 05:27AM | 0 recs
I'm not saying weeks on end. I'm saying days.

I repeat. The supers should end this now. Not next week. Not after June 3rd. Today if possible. Mid-week at the latest. It's time to put an end to this self-destructive behavior within our party. It's one thing to be polite and respectful of a campaign coming to an end. It's quite another to look the other way while a candidate uses assassination as a reason for staying in.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-24 08:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!


It is locked-up.

The only possible way it is not locked up was communicated to those who still fantasize about her nomination yesterday.


Get real.

by xdem 2008-05-24 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I like that "Lock it up" part. I bet you were one of the loudest ones shouting about Obama's "bitter" comment or about what he was doing with his finger. Both went on forever. This will too, believe me. But here's the thing, it isn't up to Obama supporter's - it's the press flogging it now and we can't stop them from doing it. So this is more blaming Obama supporters for something the press is doing and that Obama himself is letting go. Also, I just know that plenty of clinton supporters are upset about her remarks too. Not all are as rabid as the ones that frequent blogs. So, yep, she's done it this time.

by Becky G 2008-05-24 04:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

He's been an obama supporter, as have I, for quite some time, so you're probably wrong.

by minnesotaryan 2008-05-24 06:58AM | 0 recs
From one leatherneck to another....thanks

for the diary, ragekage. This is the only diary about this whole sordid affair I've commented in. I have never witnessed a more voracious, vulture-like attack, all done with apparent glee, in the couple of years that I've been blogging. I refuse to enable that sort of spectacle. Your diary, however, is exactly what we need right now to calm the hysteria. Thanks...

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-24 04:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

The Clinton Corporation has misstated a few too many times for good taste or reason. Whether its about Jessie Jackson, MLK, White Hard Working Americans, now Assasinations or whatever, we've hit the point of Occam's No Return. Either she's really smart, or she's a misspeaking maroon, but reasonable doubt's no longer an option.

Over the last few months, many of us have pointed to each of these "misspeaks" as proof of a machiavelli-ish trait to say or do anything to bring down Obama to raise herself; no matter what it might do to him or the party, no matter what it might mean in matters of decency or taste or downticket races.

Each time, whether it's use of Drudge, or racial or religious dog whistles, we've been told, "she'd not do that," and we've been laughed at, disparaged, called 'sexist' when pointing out racist memes. When her surrogates pull out his middle name, or threaten funds for races down ticket, we're told to "calm down," she's a fighter, Obama needs thicker skin, you're robots and bimbos and never ever right.

I hope this is the final straw, I hope this is what is finally enough. I hope that all but the final few Clinton supporters blinded by her charisma see the pattern of the Clitchen Sink -- in which every thing is in-limits against an enemy -- even an in-party enemy -- whether its race, religion, now even threat of assassination -- in the attempt to sway the handful of wavering superdelegate votes. It's disgusting, and a clear pattern, a pattern clear to many for months. I'm tired to pointing it out. Nothing about this is surprising, except the number of people still unwilling to see it.

by Lettuce 2008-05-24 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I agree with you. I don't blame you for reacting with disgust - as I did too. But the closing sentiments in this diary are worth repeating:

I expect you to be defending our candidate with honor, courage, respect, logic, and reason. And I'll be right there beside you, don't ever doubt it. But this ain't the fight we need to be fighting.

Ragekage is right.

Civility isn't a great feat when it's reciprocated. It's when it isn't, that taking the high road becomes a real choice.

This is about who we are. We can add to the heat, or we can add to the light.

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-24 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

This site is one big lecture. So called Obama supporters lecturing people, so called Clinton supporters lecturing people. I just wonder everyone think they are to tell every one what they have to do. It's pretty funny.

by Grant Caesar Peters 2008-05-24 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I hear you RK.  Great diary.  HRC's comment, and the subsequent defense of it (and even blaming Obama) had me seething.

I had to actively refrain from posting on this topic for awhile.  Had to let the whole thing sit.  Fortunately, we never get as riled up as the deadenders at the His44 vomitorium.  Or fucking No Quarter.

by fogiv 2008-05-24 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I'm really not so concerned about Hillary.  What she said was inappropriate, but it doesn't bother me that much.  The problem I have is with the Clinton Smear Machine trolls like linfar and TexasDarlin and alegre that are trying to turn this back on Obama and his supporters when it's clearly entirely Hillary's fault she is in hot water over this.  I will continue to attack them for their arrogance.  Their insinuation that Obama somehow made her say what she did or even stoked the fire by saying something as mild as "it's unfortunate she said that" or, even more arrogant, that he should have to actively defend her for her statement that she should stay in the race in case he gets assassinated is just crazy (and, in fact, the Obama campaign went beyond what they were morally required to in defense of her when Rice released a statement saying "we take her at her word"...).  These people are clearly just trolls and should be treated as such.  For the normal everyday Clinton backers that feel like she made a misstatement but it's really not a big deal, don't worry, I'm with you, too.  Keith Olbermann's rant was entertaining, but that's what he does - entertain, and it was clearly over the top in terms of the reality of the situation.

by NJIndependent 2008-05-24 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

thank you for your diary.

by nikkid 2008-05-24 07:14AM | 0 recs
Good job, ragekage

I have no idea why people think you're a horrible troll who should be banned. Very nice diary.

by Archer2 2008-05-24 07:40AM | 0 recs
You wish, however

I like how CNN covered it and said that she said basically the same thing before, talking in response to the campaigns continuing through June, but it didn't receive this kind of spin.

NO, it's called desperation to make political any even by the other side.  No topic is too low or shameful for them.

by LindaSFNM 2008-05-24 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: You wish, however

Come on.. both sides have jumped on gaffes.

Bittergate, wright, etc.

Let's just let it go..... we are simply engaging in cannibalism

by CaptainMorgan 2008-05-24 08:13AM | 0 recs
And how many diaries did you write

about Wright?
Or "bittergate?"
Or Rezko?
Or words of Obama plucked out of context?

You are the quintessential flawed messenger.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-24 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

I agree. I am not going to waste too much time complaining about this. Anyone who thinks Hillary has been passive aggressive in hoping for anything to get her to win, including a possibe Obama assassination is nuts.  But I will not deny that Hillary supporters need to know that what goes around comes around.

by Pravin 2008-05-24 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Good diary.  I'm not offended by what Clinton said (though, admittedly, I'm rarely offended). I think she just put her foot in her mouth.  It was ill advised, but there's no way she meant it the way so many have taken it.  I can't understand why some are SOOO outraged, as if she's really waiting for an assassination, and I also can't understand why some defend her so blindly, and can't acknowledge that it was a poor choice.

by freedom78 2008-05-24 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters, lock it up!

Agreed and rec'd.

I look forward to the day Clinton drops out of the race and her most rabid, delusional supporters are forced to admit that they were wrong about yet another prediction.

But this was a simple misunderstanding.  When I first heard the story, I thought her comments were distasteful.  But after reading her exact words and seeing the context, it seemed clear to me that she was simply referring to the fact that when Kennedy was assassinated, he was still in a close primary fight in June.  She was pointing out Kennedy's candidacy for the fact that it was still in a close fight late in the game, not for the assassination.

The "pile on" politics is silly and pointless.

by KyleJRM 2008-05-24 09:21AM | 0 recs
Your fairness is wasted upon Hillary

She'll still stick her shiv as deeply into Obama as she can.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-24 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Very reasonable, thanks.

This is a non-event, just like middlefingergate.  This country has gone completely bonkers.    

by half nelson 2008-05-24 03:21PM | 0 recs


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