Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeting

I received a forwarded email from the group that is behind the Women Count Pac .  They are organizing a demonstration at the May 31 meeting of the DNC Rules Committee.

Here is the text of the email:

From: "Susie Buell" Date: May 21, 2008 10:45:34 AM PDT
Subject: Join us for a Rally on May 31st in Washington

Dear Fellow Hillary Supporters,
If you believe that the DNC must honor our core democratic principles and enfranchise the people of MI and FL and their respective delegations,
If you believe that Hillary Clinton is best for our party, most likely to win in November and best for our country,
If you believe the contest for the democratic nomination must not end before all of the votes from each State and US Territory have been cast and counted and that nominating conventions, not candidates (or the media), declare the nominee,
If you believe that the media and DNC have underestimated the passion, strength, intensity and determination of Hillary supporters and the power of the women's vote,

Then Join a group of Hillary supporters who are planning to visit Washington, D.C. on Saturday, May 31st to attend the meeting of the DNC Rules Committee and rally outside the DNC headquarters in support of Michigan and Florida;
....the DNC Rules Committee is meeting that day to make a determination with respect to MI and FL and we think it is essential to convene in Washington to support our cherished democratic principles, help enfranchise MI and FL and to show that Hillary has equally high numbers of passionate, devoted supporters who believe fervently that she will be the better general candidate and best president.  
Our purpose is not to divide the party or attack the DNC or Senator Obama.  At the same time, Hillary's strong support cannot be dismissed in DNC efforts to unify the party.

Please let us know if you will be able to join us.

The Office of Susie Tompkins Buell

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I have to say that if it were at all possible for me to be there, I would go.  Call me old fashioned, but I believe in counting votes....all of them.

Will any DDers be there?

[UPDATE ] Contact information removed as suggested. I can email the info privately to anyone who wants it.

Tags: campaign 2008, Hillary Clinton, Voter rights. (all tags)

Comments

141 Comments

Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

I would remove contact info from the diary. You know who will harass them.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

freepers?

by map 2008-05-21 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

;) You set yourself up, but I'll be nice and let it go.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:36PM | 0 recs
Done.
If anyone wants the email or contact info, please let me know.
You could also Google "Susie Buell" and find lots of info on her.  She was one of the founders of ESPRIT and she is a major Democratic donor.
by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 04:26PM | 0 recs
FL and MI will be settled May 31st

I predict a unanimous decision by the committee whether groups like this show up or not.

Two more weeks and we can start uniting behind our nominee.

by map 2008-05-21 04:19PM | 0 recs
Don't count on it.

Hills may still go "all or nothing" and walk out of Denver.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-21 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't count on it.

Nah.  

The quotes from Hillary supporters on the committee lead me to believe they are not dead-enders.  They do not want this going to the convention.

A reasonable compromise will be reached, especially considering they can seat ALL the delegates from the flawed FL and MI elections and Obama still wins.

by map 2008-05-21 04:31PM | 0 recs
No chance.

HAve you even been listening to her in recent days?

She's talking about staying in "until June." She's talking about pulling together. She's too smart to be known as the divisive candidate who lost us the WH in 2008.

by PhilFR 2008-05-21 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: No chance.

Color me skeptic.

I don't see what the next three primaries are going to achieve if doesn't want to take it all the way.

by v2r1 2008-05-21 07:42PM | 0 recs
So you don't support going all the way to Denver?

I only ask cuz a number of people on this blog, alone, have called on her to take the contest all the way to the roll call vote in Denver.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-21 08:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Of course they're going to seat FL and MI, and of course there will be some sort of penalty, and of course Hillary agreed with the idea of a penalty, and of course they won't agree with whatever decision is made.

MoveOn.now

by terra 2008-05-21 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

And other states moved their dates w/o penalty. What was a poor ol' Florida voter like myself to do? I went out and voted any way to exercise my right that the DNC tried to take away. Glad their meeting to fix their mistake.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

There are none, of course.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-21 05:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Just so we are clear....

The DNC never, ever tried to take away your ability to vote.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Sigh.....

With an issue as important as the ACTUAL disenfranchisement of voters in Indiana, plus the numerous other states that have laws on the books ready to be enacted that are similar to Indiana's... can we please, please, stop referring to the FL and MI situation as disenfranchisement...?

We voted... we were able to and went... and our votes were counted... and tallied... there were just no delegates awarded as a result.  

Thus, people i FL and MI were NOT disenfranchised.

Sorry, but this is a really touchy issue with me this year when the state GOPs are ready to beg, borrow, and likely try to STEAL this election.

Really, it is their only chance at winning.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

See, delegates represent the votes of people, and the delegates weren't counted.  Thus the votes of the people were not counted. It not all that complicated.

by Scotch 2008-05-21 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

See, I helped elect a new mayor in the city of Winter Garden, so my vote was counted.

I was not disenfranchised.  Neither was anyone else.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters

Heh.  Whatever you say.

by Scotch 2008-05-21 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Jen.

Who else was on the ballot beside the presidential candidates. In our state all of the hopefuls running for office in each party are voted on at the same time. So there weren't just presidential candidates but there were other offices as well.

What did your ballot look like in Florida. I was wondering because you made the statement,

"See, I helped elect a new mayor in the city of Winter Garden, so my vote was counted..."

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 06:24PM | 0 recs
Susie Buell = elitist

Love it.

Billionaire Fashion Czar Susie Buell is gonna protest from her Limo.
 

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-21 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Susie Buell = elitist
And Susie will look absolutely fabulous!
She's putting together a chic, cashmere Annie Oakley outfit for herself.
by toyomama 2008-05-21 04:43PM | 0 recs
Will she fly in or tele-a-protest?

Will Susie fly to Washington for the protest in her private jet, or will she set up a webcam in her mansion and do a virtual protest

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-21 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Will she fly in or tele-a-protest?

She'll hire professional protesters.

by PhilFR 2008-05-21 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Will she fly in or tele-a-protest?

And folks said there was no sexism associated with this primary. :o

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Will she fly in or tele-a-protest?

And what was sexist about that?

by PhilFR 2008-05-21 06:27PM | 0 recs
Just another me,me,me boomer

Lets see a little of what Susie Buell is really about:

http://search.sfweekly.com/1997-10-08/ne ws/esprit-de-court/

But Esprit de Corp. also ultimately came to epitomize the worst side of another decade, the me decade, the 1980s and its junk-bond daddies and S&L pirates and slick-suited sharpies. After helping manage the company with her then-husband, Doug Tompkins, for 22 years, Susie Tompkins led a 1990 leveraged buyout that gained her control of the company, and netted her an estimated $150 million.
Esprit emerged from the buyout so deeply in debt -- and Tompkins Buell's subsequent helmsmanship left the company in such desperate financial straits -- that it went into technical default on its outstanding loans within less than two years. Esprit then spent five years shriveling to a morsel of its former self before Tompkins Buell relinquished all ownership of and involvement in the company in December.
And now, the once-grand saga that was Esprit, the corporate fairy tale that made Tompkins a spokeswoman for progressive feminine achievement, has descended into a petty, multimillion-dollar spitting match that centers on allegations and counterallegations related to income tax indemnities.
This March Tompkins Buell filed a lawsuit demanding nearly $3 million in reimbursements from Esprit for tax payments she made after selling much of her stake in the company to investors in 1990 for about $62 million. The case's merits are questionable, some people familiar with the situation say.
Her former husband, whose situation parallels Tompkins Buell's, says the lawsuit is a stretch. (Lawyers for Doug Tompkins and Susie Tompkins Buell are now engaged in a separate battle over tax reimbursements Doug says Susie owes him.)
"On the principle of it, we didn't think it was right to go sue Esprit for that money," says Doug Tompkins, who, like his former wife and partner, cashed out of the company under a 1990 stock purchase agreement. The agreement puts him in exactly the same legal posture as Tompkins Buell. But, he says, "we elected not to sue. We didn't feel that this suit had merit."
Esprit de Corp., now owned by a consortium of "vulture capital" investors that bought the troubled firm at discount, immediately banned Tompkins Buell from the premises upon learning of her lawsuit. The company lashed back at Tompkins Buell with court filings accusing her of financial double-dealing and cynical corporate malfeasance. Esprit issued a veiled threat in legal filings that it would scour the world for evidence against her -- unless she backed off.

by venician 2008-05-21 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Just another me,me,me boomer

WTF?  What does that have to do with counting votes?

You might have mentioned that Buell is a major donor to MediaMatters.  Of course that is irrelevant as well.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 06:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Just another me,me,me boomer

Your "diary" is about a women who is organizing a protest. I provided some background info on said women, hillary supporter. And I didn't know Media Matters was running for president.

by venician 2008-05-21 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Just another me,me,me boomer
And your "post" is about what a dreadful person she is.
I only mentioned that she happens to support MediaMatters as a way of pointing out that she supports liberal causes.  I should not have bothered with answering.
by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 08:10PM | 0 recs
San Francisco? I thought Hillary said SF was

out of touch with real America.

by bobdoleisevil 2008-05-21 04:25PM | 0 recs
Grand Slam!!

you hit it outta the park, bro!

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-21 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: San Francisco?

No.  It's Obama that is out of touch.  NOt San Fran's fault he was there when he said it, although I am sure they trusted he knew what he was talking about, which he didn't but then we already established that.

by Scotch 2008-05-21 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: San Francisco?

Both San Francisco and Chicago have been thrown under the bus repeatedly by Clinton supporters.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: San Francisco?

Well really we should have thrown Obama under the bus, and saved Chicago and SanFran.  Democrats always take the hard road.

by Scotch 2008-05-21 04:48PM | 0 recs
Re: San Francisco? I thought Hillary said SF was

That must be why the Mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newsom, is a strong supporter of Senator Clinton.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: San Francisco? I thought Hillary said SF was

Follow the money: Newsom > Getty > Buell > Clinton

Newsom owes the Clintons who supported is Mayoral run. If it weren't for their support, Matt Gonzalez would likely be mayor.

by grasshopper 2008-05-22 07:53AM | 0 recs
Well that was a lucky break for SF.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-22 02:15PM | 0 recs
You guys keep saying this...

Call me old fashioned, but I believe in counting votes....all of them.

...yet you're quite willing to ignore multiple caucus states while damning voters who didn't vote in elections they were repeatedly told wouldn't count.

How exactly do you reconcile this?

by Firewall 2008-05-21 04:25PM | 0 recs
Where did I say that?

You are over-interpreting what I said and leaping to your preferred conclusions.

You dismiss the voters of Michigan and Florida at your candidate's peril.  Do you seriously think that come November Democrats in  Florida and Michigan are going to rush headlong into the arms of Obama?

I wouldn't count on it.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 04:29PM | 0 recs
Then could you explain

why you think it's a good idea to factor in a pair of elections in which hundreds of thousands of people didn't vote because they were told their votes would not count...

...while simultaneously declaring you believe every vote should count?

by Firewall 2008-05-21 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Then could you explain

Don't forget that they were told their votes wouldn't count by none other than HILLARY CLINTON.

by PhilFR 2008-05-21 05:04PM | 0 recs
Are you similarly concerned

for all those Democrats in caucus states who couldn't vote because they had to work, or because they don't drive at night, or because who don't want their votes made public?

The sad fact of the matter is that the DNC primary process is seriously broken and MUST be repaired.

Nevertheless, there were about ten times as many people, if I'm not mistaken, who did show up to vote in Florida and I don't think the Democratic party should treat their votes so cavalierly.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you similarly concerned

So you only vote when it is convenient?

by notedgeways 2008-05-21 06:00PM | 0 recs
You never answered the question.

It seems you believe votes should count when they benefit your candidate, but you don't care to count votes that benefit your candidate's opponent.

If that's what you mean by "every vote should count", then that's fine. I just wish you'd be honest about your dishonesty.

by Firewall 2008-05-21 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Are you similarly concerned

If the people in the caucus states were told beforehand that their votes would not count, then those results would likewise be illegitimate.  There's a difference between chance circumstances affecting an election (weather, voter availability) and an official message that the votes will not count, coupled with a ban on campaigning.

by rfahey22 2008-05-21 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Where did I say that?

Especially in Florida. You can put that state in Red for McCain thanks to the Obama Disenfranchisement campaign

by steve468 2008-05-21 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Where did I say that?

Oh crap.

Have you looked at McCain's freakin short list for veep...?  The only really viable names on their are Romney and Christ.. that would be Charlie... the Governor of Florida.

Add to that the Gay Marriage Amendment on the ballot that, if they have any sense, Disney World will oppose, and it is a red meat year in Florida.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Where did I say that?

Your state has been trending red for years.  No offense, but what the hell is wrong with that state? ;)

by map 2008-05-21 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Where did I say that?

None taken...  I have NO idea....!  I blame the... well, I don't know who to blame...

To be honest, we moved back up to Ohio in April...
I'm in another swing state... but could write volumes about what is wrong with Ohio....!

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Where did I say that?

And...

WE WERE NOT DISENFRANCHISED!!!!

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:38PM | 0 recs
No need to shout

Maybe you don't feel like you were, but I was.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: No need to shout

Really...?  You tried to go and vote and they wouldn't let you?

Did they give you a reason...?

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:53PM | 0 recs
Good diary, thank you

I live in Florida, and Obama was here today. Here are some snippets of what one newspaper article had to say about it, which addresses your point perfectly I think:

TAMPA, Fla. - One day after Senator Barack Obama inched closer toward winning the Democratic presidential nomination, he arrived here in Florida with another problem on his hands: Healing the anger percolating among Democrats who feel they have been excluded in the race for the White House.

"It is good to be back in Florida," said Mr. Obama, who has not stepped foot in the state since a fundraiser last fall. "You guys have been holding down the fort."

Among the unfinished pieces of business in the nominating fight with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is figuring out how the state's delegates will be awarded in advance of the Democratic National Convention.  

If Mr. Obama is inclined to step forward with a generous proposal (read: olive branch) - seating all the delegates, for example, or at least a portion that Mrs. Clinton's supporters find acceptable - he offered no such indications as he addressed a rally here today.

In a 37-minute speech at the St. Pete Times Forum, a large arena in downtown Tampa, Mr. Obama made no direct mention of the controversy surrounding the delegates.

Both campaigns agree that Florida - and its 27 electoral votes - will be a critical battleground in the general election. No state in the nation, perhaps, does the Obama campaign have more work to do in building an organization and appealing to voters.

Activists hold a negative view of him because of the delegate dispute with Mrs. Clinton.

So before the race with Mr. McCain can begin in Florida, the Democratic delegate debacle must be settled. Today, there were few signs of a quick resolution - or that Mr. Obama even wanted to spend time talking about it.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-21 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters
Hey..demonstrate all ya want...come to Denver.
You can join the rest of us in the Established
FREE SPEECH Zone approx 2 miles from the Pepsi Center.
As this will be the closest they will get and probably be outnumbered by the 1,000's in the same space for different causes
(sorry for the long link)
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firef ox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official& amp;channel=s&hl=en&q=Civic+Cent er,+Denver,+CO,+USA&um=1&ie=UTF- 8&sa=X&
by nogo postal 2008-05-21 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

I read that there will be thousands of protesters there at the meeting. I also heard Wolfson comment on CNN that they have enough votes to overturn the ban and to seat all delegates and count all votes, as they should. They must not be DISENFRANCHISED!

by steve468 2008-05-21 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

DISENFRANCHISED is the WRONG word....

Just because there are no delegates does not mean the voters were disenfranchised...

Put another way... if the voters had been disenfranchised, how on Earth would you know who won or what the numbers were...?  The votes would not have been counted because the votes would not have been cast.  THAT is disenfranchisement.... Ask the 12 nuns in Indiana... they will explain disenfranchisement to you.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

And in fact, it is not the correct term whatsoever.

For it represents the removal of a Right; and there is no right to vote in a presidential primary.  That's why the lawsuits trying to force the DNC to recognize the results of the elections didn't go anywhere.

by Lawyerish 2008-05-21 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Where did you read that? On your news site/blog?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-21 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Anyone who takes what Wolfson says at face value is a bit misinformed.

by notedgeways 2008-05-21 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Yay!! -- I'm clapping my mittens together!!  This will be the absolute best protest rally since West Palm Beach in 2000!

by Twin Planets 2008-05-21 06:18PM | 0 recs
What about these voters...

...in Michigan and Florida?

"The fact that Republicans outnumbered Democrats in Florida and Michigan suggests that many would-be Democratic voters in those states chose not to vote at a much higher rate than in other states," the two concluded.

How much higher? Some 1.75 million Democratic voters cast ballots in Florida and 600,000 voted in Michigan, even though the national party had already stripped the two states of their convention delegates for voting out of turn. Based on record Democratic turnout in other states, the report says, Florida would have been expected to turn out an additional 1.15 voters and Michigan would have turned out another 715,000 voters.

Those voters "did not participate in their primaries but likely would have had they expected their vote to count," the study concluded.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/19 disenfranchising-non-voters-in-florida- and-michigan?mod=googlenews_wsj

by hootie4170 2008-05-21 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

Would you take time off work or lay out money to hire a babysitter to go vote after having been told repeatedly that your vote will not count toward the delegate count?

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

No, that's why I posted this...It is not a "fair" election because many people stayed home.

by hootie4170 2008-05-21 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

I've heard this asked time and time again, and am still waiting for an actual answer.  Instead we get "Count Every Vote!" over and over.

by bottl4 2008-05-21 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

Well, we get that line NOW...  I cannot help but notice that the silence was deafening when this was being decided...

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

This is ridiculous and isn't true. There was record turnout in Florida. We also had a property tax amendment on the ballot that people were interested in, so there was motivation for people to vote. The people that were going to get out and vote did. Period, end of story.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:54PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

Not everyone who could have, did.  Because they were told their votes would not count.

But, they don't matter....

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

Hey JenKinFLA,

"...We also had a property tax amendment on the ballot that people were interested in, so there was motivation for people to vote. The people that were going to get out and vote did. Period, end of story..."

And

"Not everyone who could have, did.  Because they were told their votes would not count.

But, they don't matter...."

It will matter if they find out that their vote for or against a property tax amendment would have counted.

That would be disenfranchising the voter. Telling them that their vote didn't count, staying home and then finding out that even though the Democratic presidential vote didn't count but that property tax vote did.

Hmmm.

What else was on that ballot?

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

I call bullshit....

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/21/ 11272/4720/60/519645

Read with an open mind from a FL resident..

by hootie4170 2008-05-21 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

And there was no campaign, and the voters were told (by Hillary Clinton among others) that their votes wouldn't count.

It was framed as a beauty contest. If the candidates find a way to make it any more than that, fine.

by PhilFR 2008-05-21 05:07PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

Yeah, yeah, don't bother addressing the merits of the study itself.  As the study notes, Michigan and Florida are two of only three states in which the 2008 Democratic primary turnout was less than the Democratic GE turnout for Kerry in 2004.  Stating that there was record turnout for a Florida primary is simply irrelevant, because the turnout has been that much higher in virtually every other state this cycle.

http://www.dcourage.com/Nini%20-%20Probl em%20with%20Existing%20FL%20and%20MI%20P rimaries.pdf

by rfahey22 2008-05-21 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: What about these voters...

Yeah, homeowners came out for the property tax issue, but renters who tend to be younger did not.

This skewed the electorate.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-21 05:16PM | 0 recs
property tax issue and renters

You have a point about renters, but that doesn't mean they still didn't turn out and that the electorate was skewed that much.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: property tax issue and renters

Property taxes affect rent charged. Renters have an issue in this too.

However, if the tax was earmarked for a particular issue like schools. Renters would still be affected like home owners and might be for the tax.

Hmmm.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: property tax issue and renters

Well, now, thats an excellent point too.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-22 06:26AM | 0 recs
Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeting

Just another reason Hillary and her campaign remind me of Bush and his.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate

The feeling is mutual I assure you.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti
  • you have no idea what this picture is: they are trying to stop counting; Hillary supporters trying to start counting.
  • well i knew from dkos that Obama supporters have problems with logic - you comment is another example.
by engels 2008-05-21 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Ummm...  about the DKos statement..

That would be like saying that I know from mydd that Hillary supporters have a problem with facts.  

I would not say that because a lot of them are quite good with facts and readily accept them.

Painting with a broad brush leaves a mess.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti
  • dkos in last polls giving Hillary 4% while she is getting in KY 66% and 67% in WV.
  • I say KY and WV populations are much more representative and normal than crazy dkos population.
  • dkos are insane community with habits of virtual gangsters.
by engels 2008-05-21 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

WV is representative of a Republican state. That's about it.

Are they scary black gangsters like Easy E?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-21 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti
you sounds like you prepared to jail all GOPs. that is a lot of jailing to do.
btw do you know how WV voted in 1992 and 1996? WV just did not like whiner/loser candidate like Kerry. Which reminds us:
no Dem won presidency without winning WV since 1916.
my understanding you don't care about history as well. How about EV map? Problems with Geography too?
by engels 2008-05-21 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Jail all GOPs? What a very strange thing to say. Whiner/loser? What an odd thing for a Dem to say about a Dem... No Dem won the Presidency without winning WV since 1916? When's the last time one won the Presidency after losing Washington DC?

As your reading comprehension borders on the mentally challenged that explains the nonsense you've written thus far.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-21 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, District of Columbia gives Obama 274 electoral votes.

Oh, hey, look at that. No WV. Guess we'll be making history.

by Massadonious 2008-05-21 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

I have no problems with geography...

I do have a problem with a poster bashing John Kerry as a whiner/loser on a blog dedicated to Democratic ideals.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 05:39PM | 0 recs
if so, we're in BIG trouble....

"I say KY and WV populations are much more representative and normal than crazy dkos population."

"I've had enough of WHO-SANE!"

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Well actually she's trying to steal the election just like they did.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-21 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti
i say she is trying to UNSTEAL it.
Please post your baseless comments on dkos. They don't belong here.
by engels 2008-05-21 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Yeah, this site is only dedicated to electing Democrats...err...I mean, Hillary Clinton.

by Massadonious 2008-05-21 05:23PM | 0 recs
This isn't MyHRC.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

She lost by the rules. You do realize that right? No. Of course you don't.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-21 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Your comments belong on hillaryis44...

Post them here and expect to be challenged...

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

They're trying to influence the process through intimidation -- a la Bush and his minions.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 05:20PM | 0 recs
Let me see....

weren't those fine ladies and gentlemen in your photo trying to STOP the counting of votes?

by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

i will go, thanks for warning; I need to take 2 days from my vacation for that

by engels 2008-05-21 04:52PM | 0 recs
That's wonderful!
Please report back on what you did and what you saw.
It's too far for me to go on such short notice, but I will be rooting you on.
by Radiowalla 2008-05-21 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Nevada and South Carolina did w/o penalty.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

NV and SC were not sanctioned...

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-21 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

The NV caucus and SC primary were approved by the party.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

And Florida's primary was moved by the Repub. Gov and Repub-controlled legislature. So, why did the party approve NV and SC, but not FL which had no control over the move? Do you see why voters would feel disenfranchised?

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Well because virtually all the democrats in the FL congress voted for it eh? There was no real opposition to the move and no appeal to the DNC until after the vote happened.

by notedgeways 2008-05-21 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

The legislation was actually for replacing voting equipment for equipment that provided a paper trail, but Repubs attached the primary move date to the bill to strong arm the change. Were the Dems really to not vote in favor of swapping out equipment that provided a paper trail? And, yes, the Dems did appeal several times to the courts and the DNC. I'm not saying this isn't a messy situation. It is and Dean should have done a better job of handling this from the beginning. But is this really joevoter's fault? Nope. Let's not repeat 2000 and 2004.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-21 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti
Exactly what happened. Florida could NOT go another Presidential election without a paper trail.
by mztower 2008-05-22 03:01PM | 0 recs
Don't fall for that...

Florida Democrats were totally in cahoots with the scheme to jump FL's primary ahead of Super Tuesday. They were also warned about the consequences.

But this is merely a tempest in a teapot in terms of the outcome, which is decided. It's Hillary's way of saying "From Hell's heart I stab at thee!" and fomenting as much rancor as possible within the party in order to injure Obama against McCain.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't fall for that...

"...It's Hillary's way of saying "From Hell's heart I stab at thee!" and fomenting as much rancor as possible within the party in order to injure Obama against McCain."

er. Dude? Huh?

Would that translate into "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?"

Sheesh.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 06:52PM | 0 recs
&quot;Hell hath no fury ....?&quot;

Your words. Not mine.

That's what this whole "sexism" canard is based on -- people thinking it's so just because they themselves say it's so.

Face it. Hillary lost because she wasn't as good a candidate as Obama and ran a poor campaign based on inevitability.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Hell hath no fury ....?&quot;

I'm not going to  take your bait.

Oh an I'm one of those older feminists.

I'd repost what I wrote about this on another thread but I don't think you'd be interested.

You know what is funny. There was a fella where I'm from who worried that Sen. Clinton might have PMS and be so emotional that she'd start a war. I kid you not. Thing is you want to know who was one of the most emotional folks I've seen during this primary?  It's not Sen. Clinton. Nope.

It's you.

Wow. Melodrama. Yikes.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 07:18PM | 0 recs
A fella where you're from?

Well that's certainly enough to damn anyone you come across with, and attribute to them what you yourself say.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 08:13PM | 0 recs
Re: A fella where you're from?

No it's what I asked.

I asked if you were saying the same thing.

ASKED.

Not stated.

ASKED.

Now. Have a good night and go try to fight with someone else.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 09:08PM | 0 recs
Re: A fella where you're from?

I'll remind you that you responded to my comment initially by accusing me of sexism (Hillary's last pathetic whine for sympathy, I hope) by ascribing to me words I didn't even say.

So ask yourself again who is fighting with whom.

But yes, this conversation serves no purpose and will hopefully meet its merciful end here.

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-21 11:13PM | 0 recs
Re: A fella where you're from?

ROFLMBO

er, okay, actually I just asked if what you were saying was the same as the old saw,"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". You kind of took it from there. Really you do know when folks read this interchange they're gonna get this right. Cause they are.

But, freezespeechzone, I like you dude. I want to know your words of wisdom. To know how you are unifing the party by your interaction with Sen. Clinton supporters. Why I can see just from this comment you have much knowlege you would like to impart.

By the way, how are you doing in your day job. The one where you are supposed to bring healing to the trouble mind.

:D

A sunny, bunny day to you too dude. And don't forget the sparklies.

ROFLMBO.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 02:28AM | 0 recs
Re: A fella where you're from?

by Freespeechzone 2008-05-22 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Hell hath no fury ....?&quot;

Nope.

Sorry.

12 dogs and a blog

Oh. Funny man once said that if you have to explain the joke it's not funny.

Just a thought.

Hope you have a happy Thursday!!!

Sunny bunnies to ya'

xxxooo

hugs

Well you get the idea. ROFLMAO.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 02:14AM | 0 recs
Sunny bunnies to ya'

Too cute.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-22 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Sunny bunnies to ya'

grlpatriot,

:)  This is my new way of being on the boards. Otherwise people will take my manner as being troll like and combative. Think I am attacking their candidate instead of trying to get some answers. So I'm going to try the sunny bunny and sparkly route when I ask my questions. So they know I am a nice, happy person type voter.

Hey it worked for Elle Woods. :D

If that doesn't work? I'm going to offer meditation time. Maybe alittle tai chi.

If that doesn't work? I'm going to bring in a pizza size Valium. For people to nibble on.

If that doesn't work? Dunno' what's the going rate for an arbitrator? Maybe divorce lawyer? I hear there are similarities.

LOL. Just a bit of humor. Don't let it out much. But on rare occasions... :D

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Sunny bunnies to ya'

Grl patriot,

This is my new way of interacting on the boards. Otherwise some folks might take it I am being troll like and combative when asking questions about their candidate. Man can folks get angry real quick. Who knows, maybe if I am a sunny, sparkly bunny here on myDD maybe they will see that I am a nice happy interested voter instead of troll.

Hey it worked for Elle Woods.

If that doesn't work?

I'm going to offer meditation time. Like tai chi.

If that doesn't work I'm going to bring in a pizza sized Valium for folks to nibble on.

If that doesn't work I'm going to bring in an Arbitrator or a divorce lawyer. I hear there are similarities in job skills.

Don't mind me. This is a rare bit of humor. Don't let it out much but sometimes... :D

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Sunny bunnies to ya'

Dear moderators.

When I put the first post through the computer said that it was a failed attempt. Put it through a second time. That's why it looks like a double post. I'm sorry. If there is a way to delete let me know.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Sunny bunnies to ya'

LOL. I hear ya and couldn't agree more.

by grlpatriot 2008-05-22 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Sunny bunnies to ya'

Thank you grl patriot.

Thank you very much.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Hell hath no fury ....?&quot;

"are u sure ur not 12 cats and a blog?"

Hey Itsoverorc,

Went back and read your comment. :D

LOL

You know something. Have had a lot of lives. So 9 lives x 12 cats.

That's 108 lives!!!

LOL. Your comment is really funny. :D I'm sorry that I missed it the first time.

Hugs to you. :D

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 11:55AM | 0 recs
Are they asking her to fire Harold Ickes?

by heresjohnny 2008-05-21 05:02PM | 0 recs
Will Fidel Castro be there?
He thinks sham elections are legitimate as well.
by JJE 2008-05-21 05:11PM | 0 recs
doesn't meet international standards

No international organization accepts elections as free and fair when candidates couldn't campaign and openly organize prospective voters.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-21 05:18PM | 0 recs
But they meet the one criterion
that matters in Hillaryland. That's all that's important.
by JJE 2008-05-21 05:22PM | 0 recs
That's good
a bunch of Hillary supporters will drive home the point that this has nothing to do with Democracy and everything to do with a particular candidate.
by JJE 2008-05-21 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: That's good

Pithy

Like those weeds I was pulling up out of the garden.

Pithy.

:D

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 02:30AM | 0 recs
COUNT ALL VOTES!

on to DENVER!

by Wilbur Rogers 2008-05-21 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: COUNT ALL VOTES!
and democrat suicide... yay
A convention fight means whoever comes out of it will have to beg half the party to vote for them for the rest of the political season.
by notedgeways 2008-05-21 06:10PM | 0 recs
we wont be bullied

watch.

by Wilbur Rogers 2008-05-21 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: COUNT ALL VOTES!

As opposed to just ignoring the other half?

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-21 06:54PM | 0 recs
This makes me sooooo happy!!!

by nikkid 2008-05-21 05:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

You have to admit it's ironic that this demonstration is being organized by a San Francisco millionaire who was one of the cosigners of the warning to Pelosi, insisting super-delegates exercise independent judgement rather than abide by the election results. What a joke.

by grasshopper 2008-05-21 05:55PM | 0 recs
Count all the votes!!!

Hillary is talking about counting the votes of elections that were not sanctioned and not legitimate. That is called cheating to me. If she pursues this she will go down in shame.

Hopefully this madness will be over soon.

by Clipper 2008-05-21 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Hey, I got an idea. Lets let Calf vote again. And demand they count the votes, I mean if they don't it means they are being disenfranchised right?

Or better yet, I say we get a few states to vote the day after the GE, I'm sure that will work great right, I mean it's valid right?

by notedgeways 2008-05-21 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary supporters to demonstrate at DNC meeti

Did ya'll read about the way that situation was structured? Seems like the Republicans's in Florida attached it to a bill to change the voting machines. At least that's what someone was saying her on myDD.

Is this true. I kind of wanted to know what you know about the details of how Florida happened?

More than soome comment like. "Dude have you been living under a box?" No by the way.

Or
"It's all the Florida voters fault. This will teach them how to vote."

Not really but....

I just wanted to know more about what YOU know about the situation.

Thanks

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 02:37AM | 0 recs
McCain must be loving this

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-21 06:22PM | 0 recs
Delicious Irony

That the "Women Count PAC" apparently don't understand delegate math.

by zadura 2008-05-21 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Delicious Irony

well of course after all women am to dumb for mats and stuff...

by zerosumgame 2008-05-21 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Delicious Irony

actually kind of ironic that the above comes from someone with zerosum in their nickname.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 02:40AM | 0 recs
Sore Losers---One Great Step for Mankind

One step backword for women.  If we want women to be treated equally with men then we have to accept the fact that when you compete some times you win and some times you lose. Obama won this fair and square. I do not know what this Women Count PAC group is trying to achieve and what they're trying to teach our daughters.  I for one do not want my daughter trying to win at any cost especially if it amounts to cheating, lying  and using race and gender excuses to get an advantage.  They're using sexism as an excuse for Senator Clinton's loss.  Senator Clinton needs to only look in the mirror and the reason for her loss would soon be apparent.  Count me out on this march.  I am a woman and I can compete on any field against any man without a bunch of protesters watching my back.  Hillary consented to the DNC decision on Florida and Michigan and now she wants to change the rules.  I knew this was going to turn into a feminist issue when the oldie but goodie Geraldine Ferraro came out to play her gender card after her  race card failed.  

by markieparkie 2008-05-21 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Sore Losers---One Great Step for Mankind

Yeah cause everyone knows that there is no such thing as sexism. Not in this day and time.

None. Why when they used the terms "beaver" and "bush" on tv and snickered. LOL Or when the fella was saying that Sen. Clinton shouldn't be president cause she might get PMS and nuke Iran. Naw. nothing femisnist about it.

Sigh. For fun I'm gonna go look up the word "pissy prissy" see whose listed as an example.

ROFLMBO

Sheesh.

by 12 dogs and a blog 2008-05-22 02:49AM | 0 recs

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