Moving On

As some of you may know, I came to MyDD in March, 2008 as a Hillary Clinton supporter, after having decided that Daily Kos had become too much of an echo chamber, in which every rec'd diary was identical to the one above or below it, and where those who did not uncritically support Barack Obama were treated like crap by those who did, regardless of whether they were otherwise good Democrats.  From constantly tarring people with the insulting term "concern troll", to hijacking diaries and being treated like a hero by other members for doing so, to ganging up on members who did not uncritically support the favorite candidate and abusing the ratings system against them.  The site simply became not only repetitive and boring as it devolved into an Obama cheerleading site, but also hostile to those who did not uncritically support Senator Obama.  

However, since Hillary Clinton conceded the race to Barack Obama, unfortunately in my opinion, MyDD has devolved into an even worse echo chamber that Daily Kos.  Unfortunately, we have arrived at the same point of repetitivenes and boredom as Daily Kos arrived at months ago.  Even more unfortunately, it appears that Daily Kos has recovered a bit, and is now once again a site in which a diversity of opinion can be found, while MyDD continues its trek into echochamberland.  For example, MyDD appears to be the only progressive site on the internet in which it is considered not only poor taste, but outright trolling to complain about Obama's latest stance on FISA.  Over at Daily Kos, everyone from the front-pagers, to the founders, to the members have complained about Senator Obama's flip/flop on this issue.  Over here... well....

Anyway, in my humble opinion, it has gotten to the point at MyDD where rushing in to hijack diaries, and insult diarists with McCarthyist claims of concern trolling has become the rule instead of the exception.  It is for this reason that I have decided to walk away from yet another "progressive" blog.  As they say, with friends like these........

I want to make it clear that I do not blame the administrators.  They have a tough enough job, and its not like they can magically craft the content of discussion around here.  No, its the users that move discussion, and its the users that I have decided to leave behind - at least most of them.  There are a few users that I really liked around here, and I hesitate to name them because I know I'll leave some out.  However, many of the users I liked, who were Clinton supporters that pledged to vote for Obama after she conceded, haven't written diaries in a couple weeks, and are not even commenting in the diaries of others anymore, either.  Perhaps they left too, and just didn't feel the need to say goodbye.  I'm not sure, but I am sure that I have thought it over, and this is just not the place for me anymore.  

In closing, I want to wish all of you that have treated me with respect all the best, and all of you who have labeled me a concern troll... well... I wish you all the best, too.  Just because I don't wish to be "in the same room" with many of you anymore, doesn't mean I wish bad things would happen to you or your families.

Have a great summer everyone.  Perhaps I'll leave a crack in the door, and if things turn around, who knows.  Until then, you'll have to do without my concern trolling.

Peace, I'm outta here!

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Comments

94 Comments

This is not a tip jar. I just wanted to beat the

diary hijackers to my own diary.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 09:22AM | 0 recs
I wish you would stay...

but I wish you luck regardless !!

by SevenStrings 2008-06-23 09:25AM | 0 recs
Thanks.

And thanks for being one of the better posters around here.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: This is

ahh PJ - look I'm here to listen to you objectively.  99% of the people who shout concern troll (insert all other name troll calling) , have never had an intelligent thought or have been leaders in any policy debates in their lifes. they are followers ala the mydd gang of 14 sheep.

don't worry about them... they are the bastard children of OUR DEM PARTY!..

by aliveandkickin 2008-06-23 09:35AM | 0 recs
Take care PJ!

I do hope to see you around here again sometime, someday.

by DemAC 2008-06-23 12:14PM | 0 recs
So long.

PJ: When I first noticed your GBCW diary, my gut reaction was sadly not different from some of your detractors here. Given that we've never traded any personal attacks, I wondered about this - and thought I'd re-acquaint myself with some of your more recent diaries. Based on which, I'll share with you a perspective that's somewhat different from the one you've outlined above.

You seem to believe that those that oppose your views are simply looking for an echo chamber. I suspect their opposition has rather been to the kind of toxic, narrow-minded bitterness that they perceived coming from you, a kind that has sadly claimed quite a few others on this site. True intent seeps through one's words, no matter how vociferously that may be denied. I don't profess to fully understand the reasoning behind your words, but constructive well-meaning criticism they were not.

I believe you're still suffering the effects of a long and bitter primary, and need more time to get it behind you. Taking a break from political blogs may well be the best option at the present moment. If you are successful at this, more power to you - and let the rest of us know how!

by Sumo Vita 2008-06-23 12:40PM | 0 recs
I appreciate your response, but respectfully

disagree.

I do find it curious, however, that so many people, like you, are so quick to label my discontent as being born from the disappointment that Hillary Clinton is not the nominee.  

It must be so much easier for you and the others who have responded to this diary to label those that leave as being the problem, so as to avoid looking in the mirror.  That's fine.  If its easier for you and so many others around here, I'll shout from the rooftops that I'm leaving because I'm upset that Hillary is not the nominee, not because discourse around here sucks lately.  

In closing, perhaps you should ask yourself why I didn't quit progressive blogs when my original candidate, John Edwards, conceded.  That's right.  This Hillary supporter voted undecided in Michigan, because I was a John Edwards supporter in January.  It kinda pokes a little bit of a hole in the theory that I'm taking my ball and going home because my candidate lost, I'm not a "real Democrat", and Hillary is all I cared about in the first place.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I appreciate your response, but respectfully

And yet never once an Edwards supporting diary, here or at Kos.  And no Obama supporting diary, here or at kos.

And not a single Hillary bashing diary, here or at kos, despite the fact that you bash Obama all the time now that you "support" him.  Apparently you had nothing bad to say about Hillary even when you didn't support her.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 05:57PM | 0 recs
My last diary at Kos was an Obama supporting

diary (not the GBCW diary, the one before it), but trolls like you responded by labeling me a "concern troll", and literally telling me to "fuck off and die".  I left Daily Kos as a direct result of how my pro-Obama diary was received by the community.  

I'll wait for you, who accuses me of being a narcissist, to get the last word, as you, the alleged non-narcissist, seem hell bent on doing in every thread.

Have at it, non-narcissist.  Get the last word for everyone to see.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 04:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I appreciate your response, but respectfully

The only claim I made (and I think it was made gently) was my perception of a toxic bitterness that seeped from your posts. I did not single you out as being guilty or responsible - you have volunteered it. If anything, I left open the possibility that you were a casualty of a bitterly fought primary. I still do.

by Sumo Vita 2008-06-23 09:48PM | 0 recs
I was sort've responding to you and making a

broader point at the same time, in hopes that you wouldn't be the only one who read the comment.

I agree that you weren't too harsh in your assessment.

Peace.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 04:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Bye!

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-23 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

When you have to announce that you're leaving a blog, it means you're a bit of a 'drama queen'. I really don't get these ego-driven diaries.

bye.

by richochet 2008-06-23 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Some folks have a hard time accepting it when the party coalesces around the nominee.  A lot of difficulties, wholly unrelated at first blush, can follow.

Be well.  I mean that.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-06-23 09:30AM | 0 recs
Thanks. nt

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:39AM | 0 recs
Agree

Hunter's front-page post in dKos about FISA was really top notch.

Click - Obama thinks you are stupid.

by gaf 2008-06-23 09:36AM | 0 recs
Damn that troll and his over 1,000 comment diary!

When are they going to ban him, and leave the place safe for people who don't even post any diaries of their own, but have plenty of criticism for those who do?  Don't they realize their role is to support Obama, and not to discuss things on the intertubes?

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re:

Hunter has written extensively and eloquently in defense of Obama many, many times.  

Can you not see how he differs from you?  Had he written nothing but Obama attacks, his sudden concern over FISA would be questionable.

Hunter has also written extensively and eloquently on FISA many times.  It is not an issue that only came up for him as soon as there was reason to attack Obama over it.

Can you not see the difference between yourself and Hunter?

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 12:14PM | 0 recs
One of the differences is that Hunter is a career

blogger, and he's paid a full time salary by Markos to do so.  On the other hand, I post diaries to rant and comment in order kill time when I'm bored or don't have anything better to do, and I used to find this a fun place to do so, until recently.  Nah.  That must not be it.  It must be because much like you, Hunter is just the better person.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re:

Being paid or not has nothing to do with it.  Hunter posts balanced content, plain and simple.  You don't.

Hunter has made a habit of writing about FISA, and has called out many people on it.

You, have never written a diary about FISA until the moment you could bash Obama on it.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Well good luck to you and hopefully you find whatever perfection you are looking for, you will be missed, even if we didn't converse all that often.

by Dog Chains 2008-06-23 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

your continued ratings abuse is being reported.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-23 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

???

by Dog Chains 2008-06-23 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Crickets, pretty odd to accuse someone you've never been rated by or spoken to, at the time of your post anyways, of abusing something...Could you possibly be using another name since you were banned. I probably give more 2's then I should, and everything I have 0 or 1'd, I have not been the only one, so good luck with that.

by Dog Chains 2008-06-23 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

oh golly gee I am soooooo sorry that I actually have a job and actually do that job and don't hang around here waiting for you to notice. try looking at your ratings history and weep for how venal stupid and republican it shows you to be. the really, really sad part is you can't even seem to recall who you HR or TR, makes you look even dumber.

Oh and little one I never said you rated ME, you just once again prove how selfish and self-involved you are.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-23 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Nice insults, you come and hijack a thread that has nothing to do with you, insult someone you've never discoursed with admittedly, and then continue insulting...yes, it is me that has the issues, I see.

by Dog Chains 2008-06-24 06:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

yep and your ratings abuse has been reported again.

by zerosumgame 2008-06-24 11:48AM | 0 recs
Much appreciated. nt

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Much appreciated. nt

No Prob, i took the time to look back at some of your comments, unfortunately too much has gotten to heated lately everywhere. Seems like you have support for your beliefs and good luck spreading them, and maybe coming back at some point will help, don't let the naysayers and yellers get you down!!!:)

by Dog Chains 2008-06-23 10:41AM | 0 recs
Yeah, my last two weeks here was like my last two

at Daily Kos.  Its something that has been building, and came to a head with the responses to my last diary, the loss of my rec/rate abilities (which I always thought others were being childish to complain about until I lost mine - d'oh!), and the fact that diaries are devolving into the sole category of Obama cheerleading, on a site in which roughly 100% of the members are already going to vote for Obama anyway.

And you can still see it in the comments to this diary.  People are suggesting that I am simply unable to cope with the fact that Hillary Clinton lost, or that I should go to NoQuarter.  However, the race is long over and I'm voting for Obama.  Moreover, I've never visited NoQuarter, and I've only read Larry Johnson on Daily Kos and Huffington Post.  

Its just that message boards that are full of the same message that we all already agree with get boring.  How many "we have to support Obama at all costs", or "we have to get McCain at all costs" diaries do you have to read until its time to take the summer off, especially when we already know we're voting for Obama.  

That's what I mean by echo chamber.  We're preaching to the choir around here.  Diaries critical of Obama are far more interesting than diaries supportive of Obama, when you're already voting for Obama, IMO.  Unfortunately, most members here don't share that opinion.  They wrongly think that a bunch of undecided voters are going to come here, read a piece that is critical of Obama, and vote McCain.  As a result, many members here are encouraging the echo chamber.  

Fine, they can have it, whilst I go swimming.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

by Kysen 2008-06-23 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On
Maybe you'll get your way at No Quarter!
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by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-23 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Speaking of No Quarter, and thread HiJiacking, there is some high comedy over there reagrding Larry Sinclair and people donating to his defense fund and talking about his truthiness. Yes, please give your hard earned money to someone who has been charged with fraud countless times:)

by Dog Chains 2008-06-23 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Wasn't as funny as our old friend TexasDarlin, who has an article claiming the fact that Sinclair was arrested is a DEM/CIA CONSPIRACY TO SILENCE HIM!  MUAHAHAHAA

by ihaveseenenough 2008-06-23 09:56AM | 0 recs
I've never visited NoQuarter or Hillaryis44. Only

Daily Kos and here, as far as contributing, in addition to the progressive blogs I just read, such as talkingpointsmemo.com, etc.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:41AM | 0 recs
So long

So long Mr.NotAConcernTroll but never posted a positive Obama diary and thinks he stole millions of votes in Michigan.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 09:58AM | 0 recs
and

And thanks for all the ratings abuse, obscenity, and insults you tossed my way.  Hopefully you can move on to another site on which those things are welcome.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 09:59AM | 0 recs
As they say around here (which they stole from

Anchorman):

Stay classy, libertyleft.

It was your McCarthyistic dissecting of my diary history (especially when you have no diary history of your own), in addition to your stalking of me, which pushed me out the door.  You can wear it as a badge of internet honor, for all the fuck I care.

You're the perfect example of why I'm leaving.  Around here, its me that's considered any form of troll (of the concern variety, of course), while people like you, who hijack threads and stalk people who don't support Obama as ardently as you wish, are the ones that have actually ruined the environment and chased away good people.    

When the definition of a troll gets turned upside down, its time to go.  

Bye.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: As they say around here (which they stole from

Yeah, I'm the troll.  I'm the one who is on a pro-Obama site and refuses to post anything pro-Obama.

I'm the one who when challenged, spams troll ratings so hard the admins have to step in to remove ratings ability.

I'm the one who calls people stalkers and accuses them of being serial killers for responding to comments on a public blog.  (Seriously guys, go check hidden comments)

I'm the one who can't respond to criticism without using the word fuck about a million times.

Enjoy whatever new place you post at, but if you do that again over there you will be called out just like you were here.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 11:05AM | 0 recs
Call me out until your throat is sore. MyDD is

your oyster, libertyleft.  Enjoy it.  And everyone else enjoy it, too.  This place is far better with you staying and me leaving.  With your zero diary history, I'm sure that page views are going to go off the charts, Jerome and company will earn a hefty profit, and converation will be wild and exotic... while my diaries, more than ten of them since March, 2008 (not prolific but not loitering around the joint like you either) some with over 200 comments, will not be missed, because I'm the troll.

Cut up my words, post them, and yell "hey, guys.  Look at what an asshole PJJefferson is" all you want.  This is your website.  Oh, I forgot.  You probably wouldn't use the word "asshole", because you're not the vile troll here.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:12AM | 0 recs
Yup

"because you're not the vile troll here"

Quite right, and your constant personal attacks make that pretty clear for everyone.

I've written comments longer than most diaries.  I refrain from posting diaries because they are often an exercise in narcissism, in which the personality of the poster is more important than the actual content, which tend to be cut and paste from other sources for the most part.  

That type of personality based blogging is fine for personal blogs (I maintain one of my own) but on a site like this just leads to trouble.  When people see their personality based diaries are no longer welcome they pick up and leave leaving chaos in their wake.

Look at a certain blogger who was on the rec list every day with cut and paste jobs and is now gone but still igniting flame wars.  (Not talking about you here, PJ)

If I felt a topic was being ignored I would certainly post it, but every political headline makes it up there anyway, if others crave the spotlight I say let them have it.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 11:23AM | 0 recs
You are truly the better person.

Especially the way you were able to turn your bating me into losing my temper and as a result my rate/rec abilities, into a lesson in blogging as it relates to narcissistic personality disorders.  You, sir, are good.  

Better than me.  

I walk away in shame, knowing that I have been bested by one of the internets shining stars,  libertyleft.

I'd say kudos, my friend, but I'm sure you wouldn't want someone who uses the word "fuck" to be considered your friend (walks away crying like a fucking baby).

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:34AM | 0 recs
Make that BAITING nt

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Make that BAITING nt

I didn't want you lose your temper, I wanted you to think about some of the things you have written and maybe consider posting some positive things about Obama in your diaries instead of only posting your concerns.

I certainly did not expect you to favor leaving the site instead of that.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Make that BAITING nt

Actually, PJ is right, you are an ass.

by emsprater 2008-06-23 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Make that BAITING nt

I'll second the asshole motion!

by RedstateLib 2008-06-23 02:00PM | 0 recs
*yawn*

Toss personal attacks all you want, just makes it clear who the trolls are here. :)

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Make that BAITING nt

PJ is correct in her assessment of you, and you exhibit it by HR folks who stood up for her opinion.

Do it again, and get another Hillary hater to assist you in hiding me again.  It just shows how immature you are.

by emsprater 2008-06-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Make that BAITING nt

Such a consistent show of being unable to accept truth and criticism.

That's why folks dismiss your commentary as trollish.

by emsprater 2008-06-24 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Make that BAITING nt

Still consistently abusing the TR system.

by emsprater 2008-06-25 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

I like to think that the users have simply been more measured in our response. Kos has always been reactionary. There has been much concern raised over FISA here, but that has been tempered by the fact that we don't know what he's doing yet. Not to mention the political situation in play.

That said, if your concern is FISA, there's only one candidate running who opposed immunity in the first place.

by vcalzone 2008-06-23 09:58AM | 0 recs
Good point about it being more reactionary there.

Apparently, they condone swearing there more too, probably because Kos swears like a sailor.  

I don't know, but I swear in my posts sometimes to make it sound more like casual conversation, and I get more gasps of righteous indignation around here.  Man, these guys around here would hate some of my friends in real life - many of whom are the real undecided voters in this country, btw.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re:

Swearing in general is fine, directing you swears at other posters is just not civil.

Ex:

Fuck George Bush.  <--- Good

Fuck YOU!  <---- Bad

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re:

What if you're replying to George Bush?

by Mandoliniment 2008-06-23 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re:

Heh, good question.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 01:02PM | 0 recs
A contradiction in premise

That assumes a level of comprehension and composition that our erstwhile blunderer-in-chief is sadly not equal to.

by Sumo Vita 2008-06-23 01:08PM | 0 recs
Moving on to Where?

Where are you going to go that's not somewhat of an echo chamber? Any site that professes to lean one way or the other politically is going to be an echo chamber. Even going over to the supposed  pro Hillary sites is still just another echo chamber.

Isn't the real problem that lately nobody or very few agree with your positions and you still haven't been able to let go of Hillary?

So don't complain about the echo here just because it not the echo you want hear.

by jsfox 2008-06-23 10:21AM | 0 recs
I should have been more clear. I'm not going to

post on political (or other) blogs for a while, if at all anymore.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: I should have been more clear. I'm not going

Well I guess that guarantees nobody is going to disagree with you ... I hope ;)

by jsfox 2008-06-23 10:58AM | 0 recs
LOL. Maybe I'll talk politics w/my dog. My 4yr

old already knows too much and would probably talk back, too. :)

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. Maybe I'll talk politics w/my dog. My 4

Animals are the best listeners.

Oh and BTW, Korina (my cat) is totally for Obama!

And my soon to be 5 year old nephew finally remembers how to answer the question "Who are you voting for?"

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-23 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. Maybe I'll talk politics w/my dog. My 4

So your 5 year old nephew can reply with what he has been taught for a political purpose.

Sadly, I find this just as appalling as I find the similar age children of the Phelps clan making the replies they have been taught.  I know most of the folks here will defend it as somehow 'different' or 'right' in your case, but really, what's the difference?

Parents or other adult relatives teaching children who are far too young to make up their mind or an informed decision should not be taught to parrot the personal opinions of the adults.  That's how organized religion has survived and carried with it centuries of hatred and intolerance, and how intolerance has managed to survive period.

by emsprater 2008-06-24 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. Maybe I'll talk politics w/my dog. My 4

Conservatism is not allowed in my family, it is considered an immoral ideology.

If my nephew grew to be a conservative I would totally fail him.

Barack Obama will be my nephew's president,  so f-off if he says "Barack Obama" in his cute voice (he was a 5month premature baby, so he is still developing, talks at 4 year old level).

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-06-24 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. Maybe I'll talk politics w/my dog. My 4

You miss my entire point.

Tell me again how it is 'immoral' for folks like the Phelpses to indoctrinate their young so early  and it is desirable for you?

Oh, thanks for the 'f-off'.  That's so damn endearing!

by emsprater 2008-06-24 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: LOL. Maybe I'll talk politics w/my dog. My 4

You miss my entire point.

Tell me again how it is 'immoral' for folks like the Phelpses to indoctrinate their young so early  and it is desirable for you?

Oh, thanks for the 'f-off'.  That's so damn endearing!

by emsprater 2008-06-24 07:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

Going to miss your commentary on this site PJ....take care....

by Liberty 2008-06-23 10:51AM | 0 recs
Thanks. You too.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 10:52AM | 0 recs
Thanks for voicing your opinion

You're right. The adminstrator has been fair, IMO and the echo chamber is ridiculous here. Also, ignoring or ridiculing half of the Democratic party rather than listening and learning is a loser strategy for Nov. So be it.

by soyousay 2008-06-23 10:58AM | 0 recs
My position hasn't changed. I'm voting for Obama.

I'm not putting up signs or phone banking or anything, but I haven't done that for any other candidate in the past, either, so its not sour grapes or anything.  

And that's part of the problem.  Now that we have a nominee, there's not as much to talk about.  And when dissent is stifled by the community, there gets to be even less to talk about.  

There's a tendency for people here to think we need to post diaries for the benefit of undecided voters, when the target audience is actually Democrats.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-23 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah right

See you back here when you change your mind.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-23 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Moving On

I share many of your sentiments, although I haven't decided yet who will get my vote in November.  I just come here out of habit now, and don't have much to say.  It's a very different place from a couple months ago!

by moevaughn 2008-06-23 12:34PM | 0 recs
PL.

i really hope you wouldnt leave.  but i can't blame you since i have thought the same things at least 3 times in the last couple of weeks myself.  in fact - this weekend i was called a troll several times by people including members that recently joined.

i really think that you should reconsider.  it would appear to me that this is a concerted effort to get some 'people' out of here who have something substantive to say.

but in any case - best of luck and enjoy the summer!

by canadian gal 2008-06-23 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: PL.

Guess it's easy to defend someone when you aren't a victim of their attacks.  Let me know if someone is spam troll rating you, posting insults and obscenities at you, and calling you a serial killer, because I'll say the same thing in that case I've been saying now.  It's trolling.

by libertyleft 2008-06-23 01:18PM | 0 recs
that's true.

i cannot defend PJ if he is in fact doing those things to you.  

but - however - if you think you are alone in this - think again.  ive had my very own stalkers here myself including one that i had to threaten to report to the admins yesterday.

by canadian gal 2008-06-23 01:46PM | 0 recs
I didn't call him a serial killer. I was making a

joke at the fact that he's stalking me.  Just like you said your stalker was "creepy".  I just used more colorful language to describe how "creepy" it is to be stalked around here.  

I suggested that perhaps libertyleft wants to wear my skin as a robe.  I think someone made a Silence of the Lambs reference at a BBQ I was at last weekend, and it stuck with me in the back of my mind, hence the comment.

BTW:  No, you may not eat my liver with fava beans and a nice chianti!  Great, now I'm calling CG a serial killer, too?!?!?!

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 04:59AM | 0 recs
Re:

There was nothing in your repeated posting with that accusation to suggest it was a joke.  And CG, please note he didn't even attempt to deny anything else.

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 12:17PM | 0 recs
You really won't be happy until you defame my

character to each and every member of MyDD, one at a fucking time, will you?

My comment was to Canadian Gal.  Why don't you show just a modicum of restraint and STFU?  Please?  Remember, I offered you money and everything!

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: You really won't be happy until you defame my

You accuse me of stalking you in the comment I was replying to (another accusation of insane criminality along with your serial killer rant) and the comment has nothing to do with me?  

Is this snark?  I'm serious.

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: PL.

CG, I've called you out on a couple of occasions but mojo'ed you on many more. In this case, I feel compelled to gently point out that not all strident opposition results from conspiracies, nor are the more determined responders necessarily "stalkers".

The more prolific of posters will likely encounter what appears to be serial opposition from certain users. But that's likely the result of certain frequently made points pushing certain people's buttons, rather than any concerted effort to target anyone in particular.

I'm sure that holding a minority view in a strongly opinionated blog is no picnic. I'm sorry you've been called a troll, an opinion I certainly don't share. But I'll also admit to few regrets should certain well-established trolls decide to leave.

And the reason for this is simply because I could do without the aggravation - as could most of us - an aggravation largely borne out of having to repeatedly address long-debunked accusations that keep getting resurrected and recycled with little real intent to debate.

If there is constructive criticism to be shared, well-meaning advice or real concerns that aren'y simply an excuse for more ad hominem attacks, let's hear it. Pointless, endless negativity that has little purpose to it other than it's airing and whatever catharsis that entails, should be called out - and rightfully so.

by Sumo Vita 2008-06-23 01:46PM | 0 recs
major mojo.

for you and your comment.  i couldnt agree more.  

that being said, i am referring to someone who is following me around in several diaries and calling me a troll and a GOP operative.  very strange and creepy.

by canadian gal 2008-06-23 01:51PM | 0 recs
Thanks to one of my favorite posters.

While most people use this line as snark against other users, I really mean it when I say:

Stay classy, Canadian Gal

If more members engaged in respectful discussions like you, this would be a better place.  I like that when you disagree with someone or something, you calmly and rationally explain why, instead of posting cat pics, stating "is this snark", etc.  

If more members responded to diaries they disagree with like you, there might actually be some decent discussion around here.  

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 06:42AM | 0 recs
thanks for the kind words.

and i wholeheartedly agree with your comment.  mojo to you.

by canadian gal 2008-06-24 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Thanks to one of my favorite posters.

Yeah, I like how she doesn't call people serial killers, spam troll rate them, and hurl insults and obscenity.  It's strange how that can lead to civil discussions.

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 12:18PM | 0 recs
You know it is possible that some people here are

taking note of what you're doing to me, and are getting a pretty clear idea that you are an asshole that should be avoided, as opposed to a quality poster that should be engaged with efforts at educated and informed discussion.

I can't possibly be the only one who notices you stalking me, and being so classless in my goodbye diary.  I can't possibly be the only one who notices that you keep responding to my comments to other people, with attacks aimed at trying to get other members of MyDD dislike or disrespect me.

I'm sure others are taking note, and I believe that in your attempts to destroy my.. uh... username, you're really destroying your own.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 02:04PM | 0 recs
Thank you

Thank you for your concern.

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 02:06PM | 0 recs
You know what they say about one bad apple, right?

Well, you're the actual troll around here,as evidenced by your stalking me ceaselessly for days until I decided to leave just to get away from you.  

Just the fact that you have not been banned tells me that I don't have any interest in being a member of this site any longer.  Again, any virtual reality in which I'm the troll, and you're not, is not a virtual reality in which I wish to participate.  

People, including hopefully administrators, can look at your comment history and my comment history, and judge for themselves who is stalking who, to the point where one decided to just fucking leave.  Then, they can decide for themselves who the troll is.  I encourage this wholeheartedly  But by then, it will be too late.  MyDD will be stuck with you, and I'll be gone.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 02:14PM | 0 recs
Your concern for the site is noted

nt

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 02:17PM | 0 recs
Don't leave

Echo chambers are boring.  Dissenting voices are essential.  Your posts always struck me as pretty negative (didn't like your Animal Farm diary at all) and occasionally salty but not trollish.

Shit, if we all agree with each other then what's the damn point?

best,
Koan

by Koan 2008-06-23 02:57PM | 0 recs
Thanks for the comment. My diaries are generally

negative because I'm a ranter, and my diaries contain rants about things that piss me off.  I don't write diaries to get discovered or to build a fan base to start my own website.  If it doesn't piss me off, it probably doesn't motivate me to take the time to write a diary.  

My first diaries on Daily Kos were rants about the media.  The first diary was about about how the corporate media treats bloggers.  I read something, it pissed me off, and I wrote about it.  

My second diary was about how the media covers Democrats (Castro endorsing Clinton/Obama ticket).  I was disgusted by the coverage, and ranted about it.  

My third diary was entitled "Hey Corporate Media: Stop Blaming Consumers for Poison Toys".  Again, I read articles in the media blaming consumers for wanting cheap crap from China, got pissed, and ranted about it.  

My next diary was about how CNN was carrying George W. Bush's water.  I saw something on CNN, it pissed me off, and well you get the point.

My next diary was a rant about how Democrats in Congress are so weak and mealy mouthed, compared to Republicans.  I was pissed at Dems looking weak and not knowing how to deal with the media, and posted a rant about it.  This was in response to media reports I had seen which pissed me off, so I ranted about them.

My next diary asked whether we should feel sorry for diplomats who don't want to go back to Iraq.  This was less of a rant and more of a subject for simple discussion - a comparison between diplomats and soldiers, etc.

My next diary was about an ugly email I received in my neighborhood email group bashing "illegal immigrants".  It bothered me that someone used a neighborhood yahoo group to send that email, so I ranted about it.

My next diary was a rant about how disgusted I was with the terror memo prepared by John Yoo, and the tactics used against certain suspects.  Need I say more about my disgust there?

And then in January, 2008, when Markos flip/flopped and became an Obama propagandist and went out of his way to attack Hillary Clinton all the time, and the frontpagers and everyone else either fell in line or left, I started posting rants exposing how ugly the site was becoming.  

Then, by March, 2008, right before the "writers strike", I GBCW from Daily Kos, and came here.  Understandably, I was upset at Daily Kos, and my first few rants over here were aimed at the site.  

But I'm sure libertyleft will tell you all about my toxic toys and anti-torture diaries, while he spends all his time cutting up my words and trying to make everyone else here disrespect and dislike me.

Peace!

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re:

Straight up lying about your diary history, pretty sad.  I'll rehash the quoting I did before to prove my point or you could just move on like you said you would.  Up to you.

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 12:15PM | 0 recs
Link or retraction.

Straight up lying about your diary history

I know I'm only inviting you to ignore the diaries I was actually discussing from Daily Kos, and pull sentences out of other diaries from MyDD out of context, in an effort to get other MyDD users to dislike me, but what the hell?  I can take it.

Have fun with it.

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Link or retraction.

I'm not even gonna touch Kos, the glee with which you posted the Obama smear letters you found (out of concern, of course) speaks for itself.

As for the rest, anyone can feel free to check this thread for the real story:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/19/1 03655/836?pid=63#74

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 02:13PM | 0 recs
And admins can also check your

comment history, see that you've been stalking me, and ban you.  What's your point?

by PJ Jefferson 2008-06-24 02:16PM | 0 recs
Re: And admins can also check your

This just in, replying to comments is not a bannable offense on message boards.  

Again, feel free to report whatever you want.  Your history shows insults, criminal accusations, ratings abuse and obscene language in my direction.

My comments in your direction show I have a problem with your diaries that do nothing but bash Obama, and that I have a problem with your insults directed at me.  

Seriously, this is like the 20th time you said something about going to the admins, feel free to do so or maybe stop saying it over and over.

by libertyleft 2008-06-24 02:21PM | 0 recs

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