Boxer and Clark on "Climate Crisis"

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The dynamics between Clark and Boxer are simply amazing. Two exceptional human beings touching on several topics.

On Iraq:

   General Wesley Clark: It's a terrible tragedy and I'm glad that you and all the other Democratic senators are seized with the issue because one of the things the American people still...I think there's people out there that don't understand that Democrats have not only strong opinions but great ways of leading this country on Foreign and Security policy. We can keep this country safe.

   Senator Barbara Boxer: I agree. And, by the way, you personify that if I might say, General. I...your whole life has been spent really protecting America and you understand this. And there's such a difference between the rhetoric that you hear from the administration and their policies which are making us less safe. You know, they stand up and they scare the American people and yet do nothing about protecting our nuclear power plants from a terrorist attack, a chemical plant, the rails, even the air. They could do much more, but anyway...

   General Wesley Clark: And it's competence.

   Senator Barbara Boxer: We could digress and have this whole ClarkCast about this.

...and so back on topic they were...on EPA rollbacks:

   

General Wesley Clark: Wasn't there somebody about to be appointed the other day to an administrative position in EPA who's actually an enemy of environmental protection?

   Senator Barbara Boxer: Well I think that's certainly a very clear way to put it. Mr. Wehrum has been involved in almost all the rollbacks. We have proof that he sat down with industry, more of the same where industry is writing regulations and they are really, really endangering the health of the people. In California, we just learned that twice as many people as we thought are dying of air pollution-related cancer. We have...a child born in Los Angeles has a far greater chance of having a decreased lung capacity than in many of the clean air places. This is wrong. This is one country under God...one nation under God, indivisible. We better make sure that we know what we're doing here. So, this Mr. Wehrum...

   General Wesley Clark: We can't take these protections for granted.

   Senator Barbara Boxer: Well no, and they're rolling them back and they even go so far as to be so absurd. There was one particular regulation, a new source review which simply said if you're a polluting utility and you want to make a modification to your plant, then you need to show the Environmental Protection Agency that at the end of the day the air will not be worse, the air will be better because you'll make some modifications. Well, the Bush administration ruled, in a ruling that oh, this wasn't true, it doesn't apply to a modification, they can do whatever they want without making the air better. They went to court. The court literally said that their thinking was Humpty Dumpty, it turned everything on its head.

   General Wesley Clark: Right.

   Senator Barbara Boxer: And a conservative court, at that. And it was unanimous. So they have gone too far and this Mr. Wehrum, who they're putting up as the Clean Air Deputy, he has just been involved in all this bad stuff.

   General Wesley Clark: He's the guy that's behind the Clean Skies Initiative, so called and the rest of it, huh?

   Senator Barbara Boxer: He is, and watch it when they name things 'Healthy Forest' and 'Clean Skies,' look behind the names. You know. It's not true.

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Re: Boxer and Clark on "Climate Crisis"

Two of my favorite leaders. Full disclosure: I work for both General Clark and Senator Boxer. It was such a thrill for me to help make this podcast happen. The interplay between the two is great. I laughed when General Clark said Senator Boxer was giving him an accusatory look.

by lhuynh 2006-04-24 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Boxer and Clark on "Climate Crisis"

Two terrific Democrats who know how to stay focused on the issues.

Taking back the House and Senate means that  Democrats could control the agenda. Though I have to admit a lot of the attractiveness to getting Dems elected this November is the possibility of some real answers about Iraq, a much longer reaching result will be to put Democrats back into position as committee chairs.

Boxer and Clark both understand that.

I had to laugh too.... "It's a guy thing...."  <heh>

by TxKat 2006-04-24 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Boxer and Clark on &quot;Climate Crisis&quot;

Heard it and it was nice to hear 2 people calmly and rationally discussing the issues and problems of our times. They both agree we've got to get a handle on the acidity of the oceans and take steps to curtain global warming. Also they suggested that government fleets be  mandated to be hybrids; Wes was chuckling at the propect of  hybrid Limosines being used in D.C. (He thought it was a good idea.) Worth a listen.  

by donjo 2006-04-24 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Boxer and Clark on &quot;Climate Crisis&quot;

Those who think that politicians are always scripted should listen to Barbara Boxer & Wes Clark.  Both of them are very natural & conversational.  

by howardpark 2006-04-24 04:20PM | 0 recs
If you liked this...

Then take a look at this excerpt from Bill Mahers April 21 New Rules.  I post it for the environmental message, not for any other opinion he expresses.


And finally, New Rule: Democrats have to claim their rightful place as the party of environmental protection. Now...for way too long, Republicans have been getting away with rolling their eyes when anyone mentions the planet. You know, as if it's "Smurf Forest" we're talking about instead of the one and only place we can survive!

Now, tomorrow is Earth Day, when President Bush gets his picture taken in front of a tree and Dick Cheney shoots whatever flies out of it. And, as despicable as this administration's record on the environment is, it never was their issue. But Al Gore made a living in the Senate talking about the environment. He makes a living talking about it now. It's just when he was running for president that he shut up. And that's why Democrats keep losing. They don't stand up for what they believe in, yes, like "girly-men", from making the counter-argument.

"How can we explain climate change in a 30-second campaign ad?" Oh, I don't know. How about this: "The Republicans want your children to die." There, I did it with 28 seconds left. Is that scaring us? Well, somebody ought to.

How come the Republicans can pick seemingly bogus, random issues like activist judges and boys kissing, and Mexicans pouring over our borders, and get everyone all worked up about it, and the Democrats can't figure out how to demagogue Armageddon?

Hey...you know what else is pouring over our borders? Greenland. You know, Republicans do a lot of things badly, like plan wars and balance budgets and...dance. But they sure understand that the winner in an election is the one who scares the most crap out of the voters. "Gay marriage!" "Terror alerts!" "The war on Christmas!" How long before Janet Jackson's tit strikes again?! And it's a lot bigger now.

But the environment is real. You can smell it. In parts of Houston, you can grab hunks of it with your hands and use it to lube your car! And if there is a single face you might want to use to personify this evil, he was in the news this week: the retiring and handsomely-compensated chairman of Exxon Mobil, Lee "Fat Bastard" Raymond. [photos shown of Lee Raymond and character "Fat Bastard" from Austin Powers film]

If Lee looks like he's been eating the earth, he has. Even worse, his company has been paying for fake science to confuse people into thinking global warming was still too iffy to act on. You know, if the Democrats can't make this prick into their Willy Horton, they are so pathetic, they might as well go ahead and nominate for president that nice blonde lady who married Bill Clinton. You'll thank me in a year.

Ladies and gentlemen, I literally fear for my kids' future, and I don't even have kids. Glacier National Park in Montana, you know, named for its glaciers, had 150 glaciers when they opened. It's got 26 left today. If we don't take care of places like Montana, we're going to faced with an even bigger problem: gay married men with absolutely no place to go fishing.

by Mudshark 2006-04-24 06:47PM | 0 recs

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