Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama's presidential campaign on Saturday repudiated a liberal talk show host's description of Sen Hillary Clinton as a big f*cking whore, a comment made to an audience of Obama supporters.

Randi Rhodes, host of a nationally syndicated radio program that is based in New York City, was warming up the crowd Friday at a $100 (64)-a-person fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of Obama supporters when he tagged the presidential candidate as a a "big f*cking whore."

Rhodes acknowledged using the phrase "big f*cking whore," in a telephone interview Saturday. She said she has used the phrase many times with Obama supporters to describe her assessment that the Senator is vile and unworthy of respect.

"She votes like a big f*cking whore. She acts like a big f*cking whore. She an advocates like a big f*cking whore," Rhodes said. "In my personal definition, she's a big f*cking whore."

Obama was not in the room when Rhodes spoke. Nearly half of Google hits for the event, "an evening with Randi Rhodes," come from Obama's webpages*.

Obama thanked Rhodes and called her "the voice of progressive radio."

But on Saturday, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement: "Hillary Clinton is not a big f*cking whore and should not be described as such. She's a not even an actual big f*cking whore, but at most a figurative big f*cking whore."

At a campaign appearance in Prescott, Arizona, on Saturday, Clinton said Obama should condemn Rhodes's use of the phrase "big f*cking whore."

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator Obama would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Clinton said.

"That kind of language is unnecessary," he said.

Jamie Selzler, director of the California Democratic Party, defended Rhodes. "I'm not going to criticize Randi Rhodes. He gave a rousing speech that got the group excited and we appreciated that he did that," Selzler said. [this part is way too over the top. CDP Chair Art Torres would never defend Rhodes - ed]

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Anyone else notice a little imbalance here? Can anyone say why Obama will distance himself from a mild yet true insult aimed at a Republican, but not distance himself with an extreme insult aimed at our own side. If I didn't know better, I'd say he doesn't know who the real enemy is.

* - as of yesterday, 6 of 13 Google hits for the phrase were from the BarackObama.com domain. The phrase has since gone viral.

Tags: Barack Obama, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, snark (all tags)

Comments

146 Comments

Tips for sanity

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips for sanity

I'll give you a tip if you fix the errors I point out. Until then, (thick accent) NO TIP FOR YOU!

;)

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:09PM | 0 recs
And what 'thick accent' would that be? n/t
by linc 2008-04-05 05:35PM | 0 recs
You even have to ask?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3AOmZ2fp s

I thought this was ingrained into American culture.

by grass 2008-04-05 05:43PM | 0 recs
That
doesn't make the reference anymore acceptable.
by linc 2008-04-05 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: That

You make baby Soup Nazi cry. :(

by grass 2008-04-05 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: That

It's a funny reference. Comedy is funny. And how, exactly, is it unacceptable?

by LandStander 2008-04-05 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: That

What????!!!!!

by susanclare 2008-04-06 06:36AM | 0 recs
Re: That

references to Seinfeld are "unacceptable"?

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-05 07:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips for sanity

I'm not following here. Did the conversation with Rhodes really happen? Or is the whole article snark? What criticism of Republicans did he distance himself from?

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips for sanity

He spliced this from a news release on the John McCain/warmonger thingy. He just replaced that name with Randi Rhodes.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Tips for sanity

He missed out that in the article he's comparing the radio host spoke at an event the campaign was actually participating in, and that Randi Rhodes was independently mouthing off.

by grass 2008-04-05 05:45PM | 0 recs
but not th first time

she said it, and nothing until someone not in his campaign caught it and the radio station suspended her. She's defending herself, and Obama, who apparently likes her, hasn't distanced himself from her remarks. It's the no standard for him and even bogus standards for her, which is the way it's been going in this nutty race.  It's funny, here is a real chance for Obama to inspire his supporters to repudiate hate speech and he won't.  Why not? Why protect hate speech even if you do like the hate speaker?  And how can  you like someone that divisive and unpleasant. You'd think he hadn't had a mother, didn't have a wife, didn't have daughters, to think there is no consequences to even tacitly endorsing hate speech.  

by anna shane 2008-04-06 08:22AM | 0 recs
It's snark...

And if you follow the linky, it'll explain what Obama actually said about Ed Shultz going after McCain.

by atdleft 2008-04-05 05:12PM | 0 recs
James Selzer clearly doesn't even know...

... who Randi Rhodes is.

Are you off your nut?

by tbetz 2008-04-05 06:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

At a campaign appearance in Prescott, Arizona, on Saturday, Clinton said Obama should condemn Rhodes's use of the phrase "big f*cking whore."

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator Obama would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Clinton said.

"That kind of language is unnecessary," he said.

Are we confusing Senator Clinton's gender, or did Obama say that last sentence?

But on Saturday, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement: "Hillary Clinton is not a big f*cking whore and should not be described as such. She's a not even an actual big f*cking whore, but at most a figurative big f*cking whore."

Yeah, you just made that completely up. Kinda a jerky thing to do.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:08PM | 0 recs
It's called snark...

And I find it funny how Obama can go out of his way to kinda-sorta defend McCain whn Ed Shultz bashed him (and rightfully so, I'd add)... But still< I haven't heard a word from him on his #1 radio cheerleader Randi Rhodes hurling personal attacks on Hillary Clinton.

by atdleft 2008-04-05 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: It's called snark...

I dunno, I'd never heard of this chick until all this happened. He could certainly say "Yeah, I don't know what that was about, come on, now. We don't need to be causing more divisiveness, we get enough of that at Hillaryis44.org and MyDD.com." I'd totally go for that.

;0

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:18PM | 0 recs
OK...

I can't speak for hillaryis44 (I don't even go to that site, it's kind too weird for me), but I will say I haven't seen a diary here (and I have NEVER rec'ed one) calling Obama a "f**ing n***r". Randi Rhodes was WAY OVER THE TOP, and she deserves to be fired from AAR.

by atdleft 2008-04-05 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: OK...

Errr, dude... one was on the rec list, just the other day. I know the author was speaking somewhat metaphorically, but it was there. Perhaps you didn't rec it personally?

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: OK...

atdleft, first you say you don't go to Hillaryis44 and then you say it's to weird for you? How can it be to weird for you if you've never been there? You just outed yourself.

by lion king 2008-04-05 10:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

WHOOSH!

oh, man. you gotta break it down into tiny little pieces for some of these folks, john ;-)

by campskunk 2008-04-05 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

No kidding, skunk! Everytime I hit you with hard questions you skitter off into the distance. Some people just don't get it.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I just want to hear Tim Russert say, "big f*ing whore" on Meet the Press. I'd say we're pretty close to that point.

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I'll be you do.

And that's exactly what will happen if Obama decides to get involved in this.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

That boat has likely sailed. Obama should have done away with this already before it was news, but he does not have a record of repudiating the repulsive behavior of his associates on his own.

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

and Hillary had to waive several days before commenting on Ferraro.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-05 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

He doesn't repudiate their statements, he fires them.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I think Chris Matthews is planning to say it next week.

by Denny Crane 2008-04-05 06:26PM | 0 recs
lol

He'll just leave out any reference to Randi Rhodes ;)

The SNL routine writes itself.

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 06:35PM | 0 recs
Re: lol

This was better than SNL John.....
I think when they gave out humor...the Obama crowd said no thank you.

thanks for the laugh

by Patriot2008 2008-04-05 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

A lot of Obama folks are humor-impaired.  So sad.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-04-05 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I find the opposite to be true occasionally.

by fogiv 2008-04-05 09:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I clicked on the link. Genuinely depressing. If he hasn't cleared this up by sometime tomorrow, we're through the looking glass as far as I'm concerned.

This may be the thing that finally ends it for him.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Also, the sky is falling!

by LandStander 2008-04-05 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host
"This may be the thing that finally ends it for him." ROFL! Just when you think you have read the most ridiculous things here, along comes a little otter with something even more absurd. Yah, Obama's done for.
by jwolf 2008-04-05 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

This was a CAMPAIGN FUNDRAISER for Obama.

He needs to distance himself from Rhodes and he needs to do it now.

And Air American needs to fire her @ss.

by alegre 2008-04-05 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

He should have already done so. This was a public event for him, not some random supporter talking bullshit. Imagine the outrage if the shoe was on the other foot.

by tabbycat in tenn 2008-04-05 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

The shoe's been on the other foot, if not as vulgar, and you guys enjoyed the hell out of it. Or did the cursing put it over the edge?

http://www.thegoodhuman.com/2008/02/22/o bama-supporters-are-all-prius-driving-bi rkenstock-wearing-trust-fund-babies/

And that denigrates and dehumanizes all of Obama's supporters, not just him. Really classy. Again, I don't know who this gal was- she seems to be in league with Bill O'Reilly, Rush, et all, so I don't have much respect for her (and even less now), but let's keep this in context.

'kay?

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:25PM | 0 recs
More imbalance

latte drinking trust fund kids = big f*ing whores?

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: More imbalance

Standing next to someone at a rally for you = having nothing whatsoever to do with a statement?

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: More imbalance

What Mostly said. I'm just trying to understand a set way to judge these things, y'know, for both sides. So, you tell me what the standard is, and we'll apply it.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

And let me get this straight- your view on how Clinton should have handled Ferraro, or Tom Buffenbarger, et all, was?

Or did you buy into what they said and demand Clinton not apologize in anyway 'cos it was true?

I'm not saying what this gal said was good or right- I don't even know who she is, but that's ridiculous language to use- but if we're going to address this, I want to make we're looking at this thing from the same side.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:21PM | 0 recs
Ummm...

Hillary asked Geraldine Ferraro to leave. She made sure Bill Shaheen was gone after he made his offensive remarks. When something bad happens in Hill's campaign, she deals with it.

But still, no word from Obama on Randi Rhodes. No word on Gen. McPeak mocking Hillary's emotions and calling Bill Clinton "Joe McCarthy". No word on all the times Obama surrogates called Bill & Hillary racists.

Sure, there have been bad apples on both sides. I just think one side has done a better job of dealing with them.

by atdleft 2008-04-05 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

Yeah, I'd agree with you there- Obama's side, definitely. You're forgetting good old Tom Buffenbarger from Ohio, or James Carville and the Judas remark, so forth and so on.

It's not good on either side, and I don't play the gotcha game, because it only encourages the other side to do it back over stupid issues like this.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

Oh, so it's okay with you if we call Michelle a big, fucking whore? And you think that's no more offensive than saying someone has a trust fund?

As for James Carville, he went to bat for Samantha Powers and said that she didn't say anything wrong. He's got latitude.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

Otter, be at peace, man. You're getting all worked up. We love you anyway, but it's not worth the hate.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

No, Hillary said that Geraldine Ferraro had no position in her campaign, and as such she couldn't be asked to leave.  The next day, Ferraro resigned.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

And now I'm getting troll-rated for making absolutely try and unoffensive statements?  What is going on here?

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Ummm...

Remember when Hillary Clinton stood on the stage while Crazy Bob "Deathtax" Johnson implied Obama was a drug-dealer, and would say anything about it for days, and then finally had Wolfson say something insulting to the intelligence of everyone old enough to vote about how Deathtax Johnson was talking about "community organizing"?

Of course, Deathtax Johnson donates a lot of money.

by BlueinColorado 2008-04-05 07:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Alegre, it was not a campaign fundraiser for him and you know it.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Caldonia, whoever you are, why don't you explain why you just troll-rated a factual statement without actually saying anything in this thread?

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Rhodes definitely needs to get fired, but her nasty remarks were actually said at a fundraiser for a local San Francisco radio station, not for the Obama campaign.

"Comments made by Randi Rhodes were made during a Green 960 Event on March 22nd.  Those in attendance were required to sign up through Green960.com and paid $5 to attend.  Money raised went to Green960."

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/mainhe adlines2.html?feed=213008&article=34 93425

by davisb 2008-04-05 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I'm troll-rating anyone who repeats the "it was a fundraiser for him" lie.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:36PM | 0 recs
go trollrate todd.

Now, I will say the fact that Randi Rhodes said what she said at an event that was organized to raise money for Barack is further evidence of Rhodes's stunningly poor judgment -- as a public figure who has endorsed Barack Obama -- but it has nothing to do with Barack's judgment. To claim otherwise, quite frankly, is disingenuous.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/4/18158 /09104

by campskunk 2008-04-05 05:52PM | 0 recs
Todd is wrong on that.

"Comments made by Randi Rhodes were made during a Green 960 Event on March 22nd.  Those in attendance were required to sign up through Green960.com and paid $5 to attend.  Money raised went to Green960."

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/mainhe adlines2.html?feed=213008&article=34 93425

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 05:54PM | 0 recs
by tbetz 2008-04-05 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: You are lying again, Alegre. As you often do.

So typical of you and your cult followers, when you can not argue the facts, you troll-rate and hide-rate the truth.

Cowards, all of you.

by tbetz 2008-04-06 04:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

LOL John.  Thanks.  Our times are twisted indeed. Thanks for the laugh.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-04-05 05:26PM | 0 recs
Lessons on the internet:

"as of yesterday, 6 of 13 Google hits for the phrase were from the BarackObama.com domain. The phrase has since gone viral."

This is because of posts like this that have gone viral.  Since two days ago, there have been threads saying "look, Randi Rhodes said it for him!  It's on his website!!!!!" click

And that makes it rise on the google page count.  And you guys clicking it are making it rise higher, and then turning around and saying it's Obama's responsibility.

As far as I'm concerned, he can denounce Randi Rhodes or not.  He doesn't need to "distance himself" from it, since it had nothing to do with him, despite lies to the contrary.  If I were him, I'd leave it alone; it would just generate more attention than it deserves.  More people associating Hillary Clinton with "big f*cking whore*.  More time for it to stay in the news.  Do you honestly want that?

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:26PM | 0 recs
Once again...

Randi Rhodes, host of a nationally syndicated radio program that is based in New York City, was warming up the crowd Friday at a $100 (64)-a-person fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of Obama supporters when he tagged the presidential candidate as a a "big f*cking whore."

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator Obama would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Clinton said.

...this was a fundraiser for a radio station, not for Obama, and had nothing to do with his campaign. To say otherwise is willfully dishonest. But you know that.

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Once again...

Seriously!  This has been cleared up how many times?  I'm beginning to understand how it was that some people found Daily Kos so "intolerable" - because this slander wouldn't play there for a moment.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:30PM | 0 recs
Yup.

You can't post obvious lies on Daily Kos and expect to get away without ridicule at a minimum. Here, lying gets you mojo and catapults you to the top of the rec list - but only if it's a lie about Obama.

But hey, Hillary just got caught in another lie, pardon, not-fact-checked anecdote. Why expect her supporters to have higher standards than the candidate herself?

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 05:36PM | 0 recs
For the last time.

THIS WAS NOT A FUNDRAISER FOR HIM.  THIS WAS NOT AFFILIATED WITH HIM IN ANY WAY.

If you guys continue to link him to this, it's because you want him linked to it, not because you're interested in the truth.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 05:29PM | 0 recs
This was an operation by Obama supporters

for Obama supporters. Until my dairy yesterday, 6 of 12 Google hits promoting the event were from the my.barackobama.com community.

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 05:38PM | 0 recs
Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters

Even Todd, on the FRONT PAGE, called you disingenuous for suggesting that! Hello, McFly?

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters

link please

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters

Even better:

There's a lot of talk in the diaries about whether the San Francisco event at which Randi Rhodes, doing her best to unite and uplift the nation, called Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro "whores" was an Obama fundraiser, i.e. a sanctioned Obama campaign event. Those who insist that it was, point to a page on barackobama.com promoting the event as proof; the problem with this argument though is that if you look at the url it's technically on my.barackobama.com. Why is this important? Because the point of my.barackobama.com is to allow supporters to organize and create a community on their own. It's no accident that the Obama campaign uses the same online tools as the Democratic Party website does; this is part of the legacy of the Dean campaign.

This event was created by and for Obama supporters using these tools. That's called user-generated, bottom-up people powered organizing. Saying that Obama should be held responsible for what happens at any event organized and promoted through these online tools is akin to holding me, Jerome or Jonathan accountable for every crazy word written in the diaries, which fundamentally misunderstands the point of a community blog -- that it's a community where people are empowered to create content and a community. Barack Obama likes to say that "change happens from the bottom up" and that "this campaign is not about me, it's about you" and quite frankly, his web tools reflect this philosophy.

Now, I will say the fact that Randi Rhodes said what she said at an event that was organized to raise money for Barack is further evidence of Rhodes's stunningly poor judgment -- as a public figure who has endorsed Barack Obama -- but it has nothing to do with Barack's judgment. To claim otherwise, quite frankly, is disingenuous.

Emphasis mine.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters

There's going to be crickets on your sharp rebuke.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-04-05 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: This was an operation by Obama supporters

Oh, YEAH, you said it!

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:12PM | 0 recs
There is no disagreement.

As I mentioned in this diary,

While the event is not tied directly to Obama's staff, Obama supporters publicized the event on the campaign website. A number of Obama supporters from his website were there to inappropriately cheer Rhodes.

Simply, Sen. Obama should renounce Randi Rhodes and chastise Obama supporters in the SF audience who acted inappropriately.

The event itself has does not reflect on Obama's judgment, but his response to Rhodes' comments, and his response to the Obama-supporting crowd does.

Clearly, of Schutlz and Rhodes, Rhodes is the one to be repudiated. In this choice, Obama's judgment isn't very good, is it?

Seriously, does anyone here think Schultz should be repudiated but not Rhodes?

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no disagreement.

As I just said a few inches above you there...

Saying that Obama should be held responsible for what happens at any event organized and promoted through these online tools is akin to holding me, Jerome or Jonathan accountable for every crazy word written in the diaries, which fundamentally misunderstands the point of a community blog -- that it's a community where people are empowered to create content and a community.

Again, you were saying? Likes I says, I don't know who this woman is, but I think it's asinine she said those things. But Clinton never repudiated Buffenbarger, Ferraro, et all- the most I would have said was "Hey, c'mon now, there, hey, then." Same with Obama, but let's keep in mind, she didn't do any of that.

Now, I think Obama ought to do it anyway and take the high road, but more along the lines of "We all need to knock this shit off, it's ridiculous, no matter what side it comes from."

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no disagreement.

Oh bullshit. That's a campaign sponsored website, funded by the campaign to promote the campaign. Rhodes is a naitonally syndicated talk show host who was invited there by a radio station that has endorsed Obama, to entertain Obama supporters.

It wasn't some random poster on a random board. It was an Obama event.

Just stop and think about this for a moment - wouldn't it actually make you proud of Obama if had the MINIMUM level of integrity to say that he was appalled the rhetoric and asked his supporters to knock it off. but he wont'do that> He'll apologize for another nationally syndicated talk show host insulting John McCain, but "big fucking whore" is okay by him.

This tells you everything you need to know about his values. He doesnt mind women being called by demeaning names, but he does mind other men being insulted. Think about that.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no disagreement.

Hey, Otter. I was just quoting the front page of MyDD.com.

Are you saying Jerome, Todd, and Johnathan fill your description of not minding about women being called demeaning names? Such hate, my friend... it really is sad to see. I don't know why it has infected you so deeply, but my daughter and I will pray for you in the morning, bud. I know hatred and anger like that has a way of eating you from the inside out, and it's never pleasant to see. You have my best. God Bless, and I'm here if you need to talk- and yes, I'm quite serious. I would be glad to help.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no disagreement.

Yeah, but you were associating yourself with remarks, that, as I have pointed out, don't apply here.

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no disagreement.

Oh, that is so lame and jejune.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 09:09PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no disagreement.

No, I'm serious, Otter. I'm gonna say a prayer for you with my daughter at service in the morning, I really am. I hope you can find your inner peace again. To have this sort of unrational hatred is so sad. I absolutely am serious; I feel for you. You're in our hearts.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 09:43PM | 0 recs
This is getting tedious

and I have the strong sense that you we agree.

Saying that Obama should be held responsible for what happens at any event organized and promoted through these online tools is akin to holding me, Jerome or Jonathan accountable for every crazy word written in the diaries, which fundamentally misunderstands the point of a community blog -- that it's a community where people are empowered to create content and a community.

I think we all agree on the qualifiers here. If most of the publicity for a Michale Richards tirade came from my.hillaryclinton.com or MyDD, all hell would, and should, break loose.

I do disagree with Todd on a minor point, though. The MyDD community is different from a campaign community. The purpose for MyDD is to draw hits from progressives who are here to socialize and debate. Our eyballs on the ads pay for this site.  A community funded by a campaign is significantly different. The funding does not come from Chevron (or whoever), but the Obama campaign, with one goal, to elect Obama.

If 200 people from MyDD went to see Bernie Ward, it would be completely different from 200 Obama supporters from my.barackobama.com going to see one of his biggest cheerleaders. In the first case, Jerome's association is coincidental. In the second case, everyone involved has the same goal, electing Barack Obama and the association is intentional, and campaign cash paid for organizing.

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: This is getting tedious

Let's just say that woman is a jerk and go have a beer.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: This is getting tedious

peace

by Pacific John 2008-04-05 06:42PM | 0 recs
Right

here.

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 05:52PM | 0 recs
Okay.

Let's discuss politically Dumb White People and their embarrassing ways, Progressive Barack Obama Osama Bin Laden, and flim flam artist and friend to bigots and slumlords - Barack Obama and his latest batch of lies and race baiting.

Source: Hillary is 44

That site raises money for Clinton and agitates on her behalf. Where's Clinton's apology for her supporters comparing Obama to a terrorist murderer? Not to mention the racist crap that site posts?

Does Hillary Clinton condone the web site named after her and working for her by her silence?

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Okay.

That, too, is disgusting. We have a long way to go to get a win in November.

by tabbycat in tenn 2008-04-05 06:11PM | 0 recs
was this on Clinton's web site?

was this person speaking at a fund raiser for her and did she take the money raised>

Please, what a lame comparison.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-05 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: was this on Clinton's web site?

No kidding, huh? You ignored my other "lame" comparisons. Now, WHO is the lame one?

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:13PM | 0 recs
Re: was this on Clinton's web site?

Rhodes was not speaking at an Obama fundraiser and no money was raised for Obama.  The money raised went to a local San Francisco radio station.

"Comments made by Randi Rhodes were made during a Green 960 Event on March 22nd.  Those in attendance were required to sign up through Green960.com and paid $5 to attend.  Money raised went to Green960."

http://www.green960.com/cc-common/mainhe adlines2.html?feed=213008&article=34 93425

by davisb 2008-04-05 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: was this on Clinton's web site?

Obama is responsible for anyone anywhere who says something negative about Hillary.

Hillary is responsible for anyone anywhere saying something negative about Obama.

The media is responsible for giving John McCain long, slow, full body massages. Happy ending optional.

Election 2008! Catch the fever(ish nightmares).

by Lettuce 2008-04-05 06:51PM | 0 recs
Did Obama staff

or anyone in a position of authority with or connected to the campaign post it on his web site?

No.

Hillaryis44.org raises money for Hillary, even going so far to ask all donors to give an additional 44 cents to identify the source. Given the site's un-American rhetoric, Hillary should return that money and apologize for the sentiments of her supporters.

Right?

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 06:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama staff

Hilaryis44 doesn't advertise itself on any board supplied by the clinton campaign nor is it run by anyone who is nationally known. Not the same thing at all.

The event is San Francisco was advertised on the Obama site, organized by Obama supporters, for Obama supporters to benefit a radio station that has endorsed Obama.

Obama will apologize for another nationally syndicated talk show host from the same radio station insulting McCain but won't apologize for Rhodes much uglier diatribe against a fellow Democrat. It tells you everything you need to know about obama's values.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama staff

Otter's right. Tells you Obama is dedicated to building the Democratic party to be stronger than ever, and competitive in the new online environment, and that unfortunately things he has no control over will happen. Let's all thank Otter for pointing this out to us.

Seriously, Otter, with the hate thing- man, I'm here for you. Let's talk through this hate. It just ain't worth it, man.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama staff

You're one to talk.

by Scotch 2008-04-05 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama staff

I know, that's why I'm trying to help the man! I feel his pain, I really do.

by ragekage 2008-04-05 09:40PM | 0 recs
No. It. Does. Not.

You don't even know that Obama has even heard about this entire episode, just for starters. They guy's busy winning a Presidential election, so you can't really expect him to keep track of whatever is agitating Hillary supporters at a given moment.

What you do know is that anyone can post stuff to Obama's web site. This was pointed out in a front-page post here. It has been pointed out to you specifically numerous times.

So, back to Hillaryis44. Here's what's on their site, other than the odious quote I mentioned (and there's more of that):

Contribute Directly To Hillary Above -- Add .44 cents to the dollar amount of your Hillary For President Campaign contribution in order to let Hillary know of her grassroots support.
Every time the campaign sees .44 cents as part of the contribution, the Campaign will know the contribution comes from the real netroots/grassroots.

Obama didn't get a dime from the Rhodes/Green 960 event. Hillary gets money every day from hatemongers who call Obama Osama. And they know because it's clearly identified as such.

I think Hillary needs to denounce and reject Hillaryis44.org and return every dime of that money. Otherwise, she's giving tacit approval to the entirety of the hate speech on that site.

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: No. It. Does. Not.

"Hillary gets money every day from hatemongers who call Obama Osama."

Just like VRC derived terms like Clintonista are never tossed around with abandon by BHO supporters?
 

by lurch nobody 2008-04-05 07:41PM | 0 recs
You're comparing

"Clintonista" (which derives from the Clinton White House) with Obama = Osama?

Are you even able to make, like, meaningful comparisons?

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: You're comparing

They are both derogatory terms.

One is a disgusting and bigoted term used to diminish Barack to the level of a Muslim Manchurian Candidate.

The other is meant to equate, in this instance, Hillary with the FSLN (evil commie bent on destroying the republic).

by lurch nobody 2008-04-05 08:50PM | 0 recs
Re: You're comparing

Nope.  The term "Clintonista" was coined by CLINTON STAFFERS during the CLINTON'S time in the Whitehouse.  They, uh, actually liked it.

by fogiv 2008-04-05 09:44PM | 0 recs
Re: You're comparing

Oh wait, you're right.  I'll remember that everytime I see it used and forget the VRC co-opted it as a "dittohead" slur.

by lurch nobody 2008-04-05 10:20PM | 0 recs
Re: No. It. Does. Not.

If he hasn't heard about this yet, then he should get rid of some more of his campaign staff.  Someone on the staff is in charge of telling him thing that could affect his campaign and could come up during his travels, and Rhoades is a celebrity who day after day carries water for him.  If he doesn't know about this, he is up shit creek, and somebody isn't doing his job.

by Scotch 2008-04-05 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: No. It. Does. Not.

So then Hillary should get rid of more of her staff after telling a LIE about a young girl who died after supposedly not receiving care at a hospital? I'll wait for your answer.

by lion king 2008-04-05 10:09PM | 0 recs
Ha.

That's right, Obama has to know about what you want him to know about, and if he doesn't, that can only be evidence of bad faith.

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - what a neat setup.

by MBNYC 2008-04-06 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: No. It. Does. Not.

Great - prove that the Hillary campaign is promoting that site and that the fame of the proprieter draws attention (as did Rhodes' participation) and you've got something. But as far as I know, it's completely independent of any resources provided by the campaign and there is no one famous attached to it.

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 09:13PM | 0 recs
Wrong.

How about you prove that the Clinton campaign doesn't know that all those donations with an additional $0.44 don't originate with a site that compares Obama with Osama bin Laden? What, you consider that acceptable discourse among Democrats?

This is politics, friend. Money talks. Hillary needs to address the hate her supporters are spreading. Because as opposed to Obama and Rhodes, she gets money from the haters.

by MBNYC 2008-04-06 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Did Obama staff

But what about the Hillary Clinton supporters in the audience?  How do you explain them?

by kilowatt 2008-04-06 08:40PM | 0 recs
by tbetz 2008-04-05 07:05PM | 0 recs
Wow.

An entirely accurate statement, and it gets hiderated. Words fail.

by MBNYC 2008-04-05 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Wow.

I think it was b/c the poster said that alegre was lying, like she always does.

by nklein 2008-04-05 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Why is ecveryone demanding that Obama should apologize for everything.

Why doesn't HRC apologize for Ferraro who feels agrieved that a black man would dare to stand in a white womens way.
Has she repuduated this obviously racist surrograte?

by KathyM 2008-04-05 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

wow - that's one nasty lie you're telling there. Ferraro said nothing even remotely similar to that. What she said was exactly what Kerry said a couple weeks later. And yes, Hillary apologized for what Ferraro said, said she didn't agree with it and fired her.

You are wrong on all counts. That's good news, right?

by Little Otter 2008-04-05 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

You know she didn't fire - Ferrarro stepped down. There is a difference.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-05 09:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

MyDailyObamaOutrage

by Hope08 2008-04-05 06:20PM | 0 recs
by Dumbo 2008-04-05 06:42PM | 0 recs
by Pacific John 2008-04-05 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Proving nothing:
Given the size of Kos compared to this little shack in the woods, I don't think I would be too proud of the numerical comparison.
by jwolf 2008-04-05 07:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

God, when did Democrats become some whiny babies, tattling on one another for the lamest things.

He said this! Wah, she said that. Teacher, make Barry repudiate Randi for calling me names. Teacher, make Hillary tell Markie to stop eating paste, and so on and so forth.

When my kid does this, it's time-outs all around, followed by big hugs and promises of better behavior for the future. Wish I could see that here.

by Lettuce 2008-04-05 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

She said "underpants!" Aaaaaa!  I'm telling.

by wrb 2008-04-06 08:55AM | 0 recs
LOL, very amusing.

I didn't realize it was snark until the bit about an Obama aid saying Hillary was, at the most, a figurative big f***ing whore. I'm not sure everyone got it, though. Some people seem pissed.

by sricki 2008-04-05 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host
Don't hold your breath, Lettuce - here, the tantrum is KING! They'll all settle down once the Queen has conceded. Who knows, they might even vote for the "Black Hustler", as the lovely Mr. Buchanan would say. (or, the average HillaryIs44 regular).
by jwolf 2008-04-05 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

  I suppose some comedian could show up in one of Hillary's campaign events and say that her opponent is a big f*ing opportunist bastard. Too bad the Clinton camp have more class.

by RC01 2008-04-05 08:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Actually they don't.  The head of the machinists union spewed out a stream epithets against Obama while standing right next to a nodding Hillary Clinton at a campaign rally for her.  At another, Bob Johnson, head of BET, made racially charged jokes about him.

By contrast, what Randi Rhodes said had nothing to do with the Obama campaign at all.  It's unfortunate that some of his supporters put up an ad to meet there, not knowing what was going to be said, but that's not his fault, it's not his campaign's fault, and it's not the fault of his supporters.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

  Any woman who votes for a man who condones this kind of rethoric in his campaign should be ashamed of herself. He has demonstrated during the course of his campaign that he is a sexist pig, and women should rally against him and send him back to the Senate to finish his mandate, where hopeffully he wouldn't stay for long.

by RC01 2008-04-05 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host
Do you see any contradiction in your post? "Any woman who votes for a man who condones this kind of rethoric in his campaign should be ashamed of herself. He has demonstrated during the course of his campaign that he is a sexist pig..."
by jere7my 2008-04-05 09:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

   I'm not a political figure and I'm not running for any office. What kind of person should I assume he is if he allows this kind of rhetoric in his campaign? Not a classy, high-minded, respectful man in my book. I understand people have different standards though.

by RC01 2008-04-05 09:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host
Randi Rhodes is not a political figure. She is not running for any office. She is not part of Obama's campaign. She spoke at a benefit for a radio station; Obama had nothing to do with her appearance, and did not benefit financially from the event.

The only difference between Randi Rhodes's needless personal attack and yours is that her audience is bigger.
by jere7my 2008-04-05 09:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host
To put it another way: Randi Rhodes has as much connection to the Obama campaign as you have to the Clinton campaign. What does it say about Senator Clinton that she allows you to make such attacks?
by jere7my 2008-04-05 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

He hasn't condoned it, it wasn't part of his campaign.  Next.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-05 09:44PM | 0 recs
Is there like a hotline or something?

What if I'm just sitting in a restaurant or at the park or something and I overhear someone calling Hillary a bad name?  Is there some kind of 911 number to call to let Obama know he should be repudiating that person?  You guys seem to know this kind of stuff so enlighten me.  I'd hate to think that someone somewhere is dissing Hillary and Obama isn't immediately rejecting, renouncing and repudiating that person.

by GFORD 2008-04-05 08:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?
   It certainly shows you are an Obama supporter. Are you a first time voter, sweetie?
What people in general say in public is irrelevant, but a political figure who aspires to be the president have a responsibility to show respect for his/her opponent by repudiating the comments that stupid, ignorant, vile whores or sexist bastards make while speaking on the campaign trail.
   I,the other day,was warned that I should not use the term Obamatrom here (if you can believe that),because the adm of this blog was probably offended I used that innofensive and largely used term in one of my comments (which could be the equivalent of being overheard in a restaurant). So why do you think it should be ok for a man that wants to occupy the highest seat in the land allow such derrogatory and abhorrent terms to be used against a highly  esteemed collegue in the Senate?
by RC01 2008-04-05 09:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

Allow?  How on earth did he allow it - it had nothing whatsoever to do with him.  Have you not read any of the comments in this thread?

by interestedbystander 2008-04-05 09:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

   This was a campaign fundraising for him, so if he associated himself with such a f*ing repugnant stupid whore, his campaign should at least spell some basic rules of decency for her.If Hillary had someone calling Obama a big repugnant opportunist bastard in a fundraising for her, there would be a big media uproar. Many people seem to think that it's ok to insult the Senator as long as the source of it is a demented brainless whore or even a brainy whore. I frankly hope women will reject that kind of politics and send a loud message in next primaries.

by RC01 2008-04-05 10:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

No it wasn't - it was a fundraiser for the radio station.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-05 10:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

Troll rated for repeating the lie that it was a fundraiser for him.

By now you should know it wasn't.

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:45PM | 0 recs
Look pal.

I was a first time voter...in 1969.  And don't call me sweetie, it's sexist.

Since you asked, the term Obamatron insults a whole slew of Democrats.  Since this is a Democratic site and, this may surprise you, not a pro-Hillary or anti-Obama site the mods have in their wisdom decided that their diarists should not be insulting Democrats.

As for the question you asked about Obama allowing derrogatory and abhorrent terms to be used against a colleague...that takes me back to my original question.  Is there a hotline or something?  And what about the whole free speech thing, is that not somehow relevant...would we want a president who promoted a list of insults he/she would not allow?

As for Ms. Rhodes comments about Hillary, they were crude.  I would never use that kind of language myself.  I would put her comments in the category of 'Okay to think it, not okay to say it.'

by GFORD 2008-04-05 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Look pal.
   Funny you said that, because according to the US NEWS today, "While flirting with female factory workers in Allentown, he called one "sweetie," a paternalistic way to address a woman if there ever was one." So, there it is, thanks for making my point.
   There is no such thing as free speech, unless one is willing to praise Obama.
by RC01 2008-04-05 10:43PM | 0 recs
Do you have the quote?

I would agree if he used the term sweetie the way you did.  I've been called sweetie in an annoying way like you did and in an endearing way as in 'What a sweetie you are for fixing that for me'.  So I have to reserve judgement as I haven't heard his quote.

I agree that there are some limits to free speech but I disagree that it is limited to praising Obama.  I agreed that Ms. Rhodes comments were crude and that I wouldn't have said them myself.  I disagree that it has anything to do with Obama as she was just voicing her opinion, she isn't part of his campaign and she wasn't at a campaign event.

Look, this primary season is almost over.  We will rally behind the nominee and the also-ran will go home.  I can't see any benefit at this point of trashing either the winner or the loser.  Can you?

by GFORD 2008-04-06 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

And you're comment certainly reveals you to be a Clinton supporter.  Are you over 70, Granny?

Oh sorry, that last bit is offensive right?  You decry racism, sexism, race-baiting, and "mongering" of all manner that you perceive coming from Obama, his campaign, his supporters, even from people utterly unafilliated and yet, with you're very first breath paint GFORD as a typical young and dumb "Obamatrom".  All this despite the (admittedly slightly sarcastic)validity  of GFORD's post.  Have you not, in the span of a few sentences, managed the very same sorts of generizations that compose the act of stereotyping?

Classy.  Since you're not, you know, running for office, I won't expect an apology.  Keep on keepin' on, I guess.

by fogiv 2008-04-05 10:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

   You sure didn't offend me at all, I took it as a compliment. I suppose most of us will be 70 one day, more experienced, wiser and will have witnessed  many phony political campaigns. If only some Obama followers would ask their 70-year-old grannies what candidate they support and why...

by RC01 2008-04-05 11:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

Good, it wasn't said to insult, but rather to make a point.  Wasted effort perhaps.

Alas.  My grandparents died nearly ten years ago.  My grandfather's younger sisters, one 72 the other 81, are sharp as a tack.  As of last week, both support Obama, citing HRC's lack of "credibility".

Go figure.

by fogiv 2008-04-06 12:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Is there like a hotline or something?

  Some people never learn...

by RC01 2008-04-07 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

you would think if the diarist is going to write something tasteless, they would at least make sure they had Randi's correct gender

by sepulvedaj3 2008-04-05 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I'm wondering if the diarist could be a little more clear about this:

"Randi Rhodes, host of a nationally syndicated radio program that is based in New York City, was warming up the crowd Friday at a $100 (64)-a-person fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of Obama supporters when he tagged the presidential candidate as a a "big f*cking whore."

A fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of Obama supporters?  What does that even mean?  Is it deliberately obtuse on purpose?

Because "a fundraiser for a local radio station" is much more concise and accurate".

by Mostly 2008-04-05 10:54PM | 0 recs
Breaking! humorous post

on MyDD!

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-04-06 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

I think the only thing that would satisfy some people around here is that, in any event where either candidate is mentioned, regardless of whether the event is sanctioned by, for the benefit of, or even completely unrelated to either campaign, the audience is first given a blanket disclaimer that provides a personal pre-apology from the candidate if anything they hear offends their sensibilities.  To be safe, we better blanket the country in these things and make sure that they're signed at all public events from now until November.  Also, they should be displayed as the first page on both candidates' websites, again just to be safe.

Look, it was a good thing that RR was disciplined for her comments.  However, the appearance had no relation to the Obama campaign.  There is no reason for him to apologize for an event over which he had no responsibility.  I'm sure that if someone asked him about it, he too would denounce (and reject) her statements.  Let me tell you, though - unless I had heard of this story from MyDD, I would never have known that it ever happened.  Let's get a little perspective on how well-known this "outrage" is.

If anything I have written offends you, I apologize.

by rfahey22 2008-04-06 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

Some repudiation:
<<But on Saturday, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement: "Hillary Clinton is not a big f*cking whore and should not be described as such. She's a not even an actual big f*cking whore, but at most a figurative big f*cking whore.">>

I find this statement repugnant and immature and unbecoming anyone associated with a campaign for the Presidency of the United States. If this is evidence of the "promise of a younger generation"; if this statement "unites, rather divides"; if this statement represents the "something different" that will characterize an Obama presidency, I choose not to be anywhere near it.

by pan230oh 2008-04-06 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

You completely missed the point that this was a snark diary.  The diarist took a story about McCain and grafted some made-up comments into it.

by rfahey22 2008-04-06 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Repudiates Talk Show Host

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican John McCain's presidential campaign on Saturday repudiated a liberal talk show host's description of VP Dick Cheney's as a big f*cking pimp for Halliburton, a comment made to an audience of McCain supporters.

Randi Rhodes, host of a nationally syndicated radio program that is based in New York City, was warming up the crowd Friday at a $100 (64)-a-person fundraiser for the San Francisco supporters of McCain supporters when he tagged the presidential candidate as a a "big f*cking pimp."

Rhodes acknowledged using the phrase "big f*cking pimp," in a telephone interview Saturday. She said she has used the phrase many times with McCain supporters to describe her assessment that the VP is vile and unworthy of respect.

"She votes like a big f*cking whore. She acts like a big f*cking whore. She an advocates like a big f*cking whore," Rhodes said. "In my personal definition, he's a big f*cking pimp.  And he can't shoot"

McCainwas not in the room when Rhodes spoke. Nearly half of Google hits for the event, "an evening with Randi Rhodes," come from McCain's webpages*.

McCain thanked Rhodes and called her "the voice of progressive radio."

But on Saturday, McCain campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement: "Dick Cheny is not a big f*cking pimp and should not be described as such. He's a not even an actual big f*cking pimp, but at most a figurative big f*cking pimp."

At a campaign appearance in Prescott, Arizona, on Saturday, Cheney said McCain should condemn Rhodes's use of the phrase "big f*cking pimp. He should praise my shooting too"

"I would hope that in keeping with his commitment that Senator McCain would condemn such language, since it was part of his campaign," Cheney said. "Otherwise he might get a visit from Blackwater"

"That kind of language is unnecessary," he said, "I'm actually a very good shot"

Eric Prince, director of the California Republican Party, defended Rhodes. "I'm not going to criticize Randi Rhodes. He gave a rousing speech that got the group excited and we appreciated that he did that," Selzler said.

Anyone else notice a little imbalance here? Can anyone say why McCain will distance himself from a mild yet true insult aimed at a Democrat, but not distance himself with an extreme insult aimed at our own side. If I didn't know better, I'd say he doesn't know who the real enemy is.

- as of yesterday, 6 of 13 Google hits for the phrase were from the John McCain.com domain. The phrase has since gone viral.

by wrb 2008-04-06 08:38AM | 0 recs

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